Cheeky speeding motorcyclist in Queenstown?

[Zedder]

Police are investigating: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11810311

[Scubbo]

police, protecting you from yourself and generating revenue along the way :whistle:

[Mike.Gayner]

That is a fantastic photo, to be fair. I think police would have an extremely hard time getting a conviction based on a single static photograph.

edit: FFS, the article discusses a photograph in a social media post, but doesn't show that photo and instead has a very appealing stock photo. Nice work, NZ press.

[Banditbandit]

That is a fantastic photo, to be fair. I think police would have an extremely hard time getting a conviction based on a single static photograph.

edit: FFS, the article discusses a photograph in a social media post, but doesn't show that photo and instead has a very appealing stock photo. Nice work, NZ press.

Yeah .. I was thinking that mist be a pretty hot harley diddleson to reach 239 klicks - unless it was off a cliff.

[rastuscat]

On a tangent.

I wonder if the relocation of the museum to Invercargill, and the increase in numbers riding for the museum and the Burt, have led to the increase in rider deaths.

''In 2016, 25% of fatal crashes in the Southern district involved motorcyclists and speed was a factor in many of these".

[Scubbo]

i'd think it'd be from increase in unlicensed drivers from foreign lands who are used to LHD cars and roads that are made of concrete littering the roads with their presence, then motorcyclist bodies :innocent:

[rastuscat]

i'd think it'd be from increase in unlicensed drivers from foreign lands who are used to LHD cars and roads that are made of concrete littering the roads with their presence, then motorcyclist bodies :innocent:

Fair assumption. It'll be interesting to see the breakdown from CAS of the causative factors.

[Akzle]

''In 2016, 25% of fatal crashes in the Southern district involved motorcyclists and speed was a factor in many of these".

and i can guarantee that binning it was a factor in 100% of them.

[pritch]

''In 2016, 25% of fatal crashes in the Southern district involved motorcyclists and speed was a factor in many of these".

Tragically the NZ Police don't appear to have the expertise or the nouse to examine what other factors might have been involved. With the exception of course, of alcohol, which they would normally have mentioned already.

In Britain speed ranks seventh as a cause of accidents. Britain probably isn't *that* different to here. It is therefore fair to assume that the police here rank speed first because they are blissfully ignorant of the six more common causes?

Incidentally it's felt that the seventh ranking is higher than it should be because many accidents are attended by staff who are not specialist traffic staff and they incorrectly assess the cause as speed. Which sounds sadly familiar.

[Berries]

I wonder if the relocation of the museum to Invercargill, and the increase in numbers riding for the museum and the Burt, have led to the increase in rider deaths.

''In 2016, 25% of fatal crashes in the Southern district involved motorcyclists and speed was a factor in many of these".
I wondered about that quote when I read it.

As we all know, speed was a factor in every fatal crash last year. Only one crash actually appears to have involved excess speed which is what could be seen as being implied by that quote. That particular crash has been discussed on KB already and involved an alcohol affected rider on a motocross bike on the road at night with no lights or helmet. I don't believe we should all be lumped together because of that one. The fact that that one is even counted as a motorbike fatality and will influence TPTB irks me.

[Berries]

i'd think it'd be from increase in unlicensed drivers from foreign lands who are used to LHD cars and roads that are made of concrete littering the roads with their presence, then motorcyclist bodies :innocent:
Shame I have to work this afternoon so I cannot dispel that particular bandwagon.

[Zedder]

In Britain speed ranks seventh as a cause of accidents. Britain probably isn't *that* different to here. It is therefore fair to assume thet the police here rank speed first because they are blissfully ignorant of the six more common causes?

Incidentally it's felt that the seventh ranking is higher than it should be because many accidents are attended by staff who are not specialist traffic staff and they incorrectly assess the cause as speed. Which sounds sadly familiar.


And the speed limits on their motorways and dual carriageways are higher than here for a start.

[Zedder]

i'd think it'd be from increase in unlicensed drivers from foreign lands who are used to LHD cars and roads that are made of concrete littering the roads with their presence, then motorcyclist bodies :innocent:


Overseas driver crashes, page 4 has a good summary: http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Research/Documents/Overseas-drivers2015-15Jun15.pdf

[jellywrestler]

On a tangent.

I wonder if the relocation of the museum to Invercargill, and the increase in numbers riding for the museum and the Burt, have led to the increase in rider deaths.

''In 2016, 25% of fatal crashes in the Southern district involved motorcyclists and speed was a factor in many of these".

museum only opened a month before the end of 16

[Moi]

And the speed limits on their motorways and dual carriageways are higher than here for a start.

By all of 10 mph [ approx 18km/h]...

plus they are often have a lowered speed limit due to traffic or other conditions.

[R650R]

Hopefully the original rider cropped or edited the image and it will be inadmissible as evidence in court.

There is already precedent for this when cops did red light photos or something and cropped the images (obviously to zoom in and see the offender/offence easier but in doing that they 'altered' the original evidence which is a big no no for courts. Plus facebook applies a compression algorithm so its also not the 'original' image.
If he has good lawyer he will get off this, hopefully doesn't panic and confess then all bets are off.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/10405333/Lawyer-gets-speed-camera-ticket-thrown-out

"A Porirua lawyer may have set a legal precedent with far-reaching consequences after getting a $35 speeding ticket thrown out by a court.

In front of justices of the peace at Porirua District Court yesterday, barrister and solicitor Chris Ellis successfully argued his way out of the ticket, while never getting into a debate as to whether he was in fact speeding on State Highway 1 through Plimmerton, north of Wellington.

His submission was based on technicalities, including a claim that police manipulated evidence because they zoomed in on a photo of his number plate to read it.

He argued that the law required ''an image'' to show sufficient evidence of an offence. Neither of the two images provided by police showed enough evidence individually. "

[Zedder]

By all of 10 mph [ approx 18km/h]...

plus they are often have a lowered speed limit due to traffic or other conditions.


No, closer to 16kph. Stopping distance at 116 kph is 101 metres while 100kph is 77. But it's only all of 10mph...

NZ has lowered speed limits as well at times, there's still plenty of crashes.

[v twin]

By all of 10 mph [ approx 18km/h]...

plus they are often have a lowered speed limit due to traffic or other conditions.

Although the unspoken and widely known (inc the cops) speed limit on the motorways in the U.K. Is actually 157kph or 98mph.....

I was actually pulled over for a broken tail light at 115mph in wales and told to get it fixed...it was 3am though

[swbarnett]

No, closer to 16kph. Stopping distance at 116 kph is 101 metres while 100kph is 77. But it's only all of 10mph...

NZ has lowered speed limits as well at times, there's still plenty of crashes.
In Switzerland it's 20kph higher and 20kph lower on rural roads. The trick there is that only those that want to drive actually drive; the rest take the best public transport the world has to offer.

[Zedder]

The trick there is that only those that want to drive actually drive; the rest take the best public transport the world has to offer.


They've got it good alright. It's been quite a while since I was there but iirc it was trains every 15 minutes.

[jasonu]

And the speed limits on their motorways and dual carriageways are higher than here for a start.

Maybe they are better drivers...

[Zedder]

Maybe they are better drivers...


Haha, let's not go there...

[FJRider]

I wondered about that quote when I read it.

As we all know, speed was a factor in every fatal crash last year. Only one crash actually appears to have involved excess speed which is what could be seen as being implied by that quote. That particular crash has been discussed on KB already and involved an alcohol affected rider on a motocross bike on the road at night with no lights or helmet. I don't believe we should all be lumped together because of that one. The fact that that one is even counted as a motorbike fatality and will influence TPTB irks me.

He was riding a motorcycle.

An unregistered and unwarranted motorcycle.

(It was in a 50 km/hr zone ... Speed a factor .. ???)

No other vehicles were involved.

How could it NOT be counted in statistics ... as anything OTHER than a motorcycle accident ... ??? Not actually crashing on a road doesn't change anything. It was a publicly accessed area and as such ... legislation appropriate for that speed zoned area applies. If it were a four wheeled farm bike on a lifestyle block ... it should not be counted. Well ... for ACC purposes anyway ...

[swbarnett]

They've got it good alright. It's been quite a while since I was there but iirc it was trains every 15 minutes.
And if you were at the ticket counter buying a ticket for the train that was in the station they got on the radio and held the train.

The Swiss know service like no-one else.

[The End]

Really keen to see this photo

[pritch]

Really keen to see this photo

Yeah. This thread is no good without pics. Well, *the* pic.

[scumdog]

i'd think it'd be from increase in unlicensed drivers from foreign lands who are used to LHD cars and roads that are made of concrete littering the roads with their presence, then motorcyclist bodies :innocent:

From my experience that is not as common as believed.

In fact quite a number of the serious/fatal crashes involve a single vehicle - the bike.:yes:

[Scubbo]

would statistics count if the party that was the problem (aka on the wrong side of the road) didnt get involved in the actual damage/indcident?

[Berries]

would statistics count if the party that was the problem (aka on the wrong side of the road) didnt get involved in the actual damage/indcident?
Now you are just looking for excuses, and assuming that the problem was a foreigner when it is still far more likely that if you have a head on crash it will be with a pissed/tired/speeding local.

For sure, overseas drivers are an issue, and getting worse by day with the rapid increase in Chinese visitors, but don't get sucked in by the media hype.

[russd7]

On a tangent.

I wonder if the relocation of the museum to Invercargill, and the increase in numbers riding for the museum and the Burt, have led to the increase in rider deaths.

''In 2016, 25% of fatal crashes in the Southern district involved motorcyclists and speed was a factor in many of these".
yeah but speed didn't cause the death, it woulda been the sudden de-celeration (is that a word?)

to be fair tho the roads around southland and otago are great riding roads and do attract a lot of motorcyclists, and there is a lot of bike rallies down this way as well, it would be interesting to know how many were locals (ie from the southern policing district) and how many were from out of the area.

now lets wait for the " all those deaths were caused by cars with foreign drivers"

[Coldrider]

Haha anyone can set up a pulse train on their speed sensor and indicate 300kph on the speedo when the drive chain is disconnected and bikes in the garage. The speed sensor is only an inductive proximity switch being pulsed by the front sprocket teeth. An even easier setup is a speedohealer setup to maximum multiplier.

[Berries]

He was riding a motorcycle.

An unregistered and unwarranted motorcycle.

(It was in a 50 km/hr zone ... Speed a factor .. ???)

No other vehicles were involved.

How could it NOT be counted in statistics ... as anything OTHER than a motorcycle accident ... ??? Not actually crashing on a road doesn't change anything. It was a publicly accessed area and as such ... legislation appropriate for that speed zoned area applies. If it were a four wheeled farm bike on a lifestyle block ... it should not be counted. Well ... for ACC purposes anyway ...
It had two wheels and a motor, by definition it was a motorbike. However the rider did not need a licence to ride an off road bike, did not need a helmet to ride it and did not need to 'contribute' to the ACC fund to ride it either. If he had twatted himself off road it would not be classed as a motorbike crash in the official stats that will be used in the media like this story and in future attempts to paint us all with the same brush.

The only reason this is counted is because someone who was pissed decided to take an off road bike on to the road. I can't see how any amount of ACC Gold Rider training, mentoring, licence restrictions or LAMS bullshit would do anything about it. The crash is completely irrelevant and should not be counted alongside some poor sod who followed all the rules, did all the training and perhaps made a mistake. IMHO.


Haha anyone can set up a pulse train on their speed sensor and indicate 300kph on the speedo when the drive chain is disconnected and bikes in the garage. The speed sensor is only an inductive proximity switch being pulsed by the front sprocket teeth. An even easier setup is a speedohealer setup to maximum multiplier.
Why would you go to all that trouble when you have the Ida Valley?

[Scubbo]

Now you are just looking for excuses, and assuming that the problem was a foreigner when it is still far more likely that if you have a head on crash it will be with a pissed/tired/speeding local.

For sure, overseas drivers are an issue, and getting worse by day with the rapid increase in Chinese visitors, but don't get sucked in by the media hype.

who says its media hype, its just what I experienced around queenstown in my trips --- only queenstown and near christchurch are bad. everywhere else great! riding!

[Berries]

who says its media hype, its just what I experienced around queenstown in my trips --- only queenstown and near christchurch are bad. everywhere else great! riding!
There is some shocking driving around Queenstown these days, and quite often by Asian people in quite obvious rental cars. But the media have ramped it up so far that we just gloss over the other stuff, the stuff that is more likely to get us killed.







Pretty sure that in Chch it is the locals though.

[FJRider]

i'd think it'd be from increase in unlicensed drivers from foreign lands who are used to LHD cars and roads that are made of concrete littering the roads with their presence, then motorcyclist bodies :innocent:

In 2016 ... Overseas license holders were involved in about 6 percent of fatal and injury crashes ....

[FJRider]

It had two wheels and a motor, by definition it was a motorbike. However the rider did not need a licence to ride an off road bike, did not need a helmet to ride it and did not need to 'contribute' to the ACC fund to ride it either. If he had twatted himself off road it would not be classed as a motorbike crash in the official stats that will be used in the media like this story and in future attempts to paint us all with the same brush.




When you ride your motorcycle anywhere public have access (on or near a public road) ... you do.

As I recall ... it was at 2am and he was pissed.

[FJRider]

There is some shocking driving around Queenstown these days, and quite often by Asian people in quite obvious rental cars. But the media have ramped it up so far that we just gloss over the other stuff, the stuff that is more likely to get us killed.

I was in Queenstown for a week mid January. During that week there were 12 serious accidents. The one that was reported in the media involved an overseas driver.

[eldog]

In 2016 ... Overseas license holders were involved in about 6 percent of fatal and injury crashes ....


I was in Queenstown for a week mid January. During that week there were 12 serious accidents. The one that was reported in the media involved an overseas driver.


1 overseas driver in 12 accidents - 8% keeping up the average

12 serious accidents while YOU were in Queenstown......:calm:

with a large amount of tourists - unsurprising there would be a large amount of accidents - road related or otherwise

some NZ tourists are the worst drivers - urbanites on unfamiliar country roads

[Coldrider]

Reality is 6% of an increasing amount of overseas tourists visiting NZ is a proportional amount of an ever increasing number of incidents.

I want to see what number I can put on my speedo while stationary, I hope 600kph is not out of the question so the Keystone Cops, I mean Queenstown Cops can come knocking on my door.

Edit done this morning, have 239kph at real 89kph. Also on speedohealers highest ever speed attained can be posted to the speedo at the push of a button.

[Coldrider]

Photograph has been traced to the North Island, NI Popo now investigating, person who posted the photo is assisting with enquiries, and have another name of person who 'created' the photo.

[lb99]

Does that mean i could be prosecuted for my avatar?

[Coldrider]

Does that mean i could be prosecuted for my avatar?not if a highway patrol car is in the foreground and you are merely following it. :cool:

[trufflebutter]

I think police would have an extremely hard time getting a conviction based on a single static photograph.



Would they have an equally hard time getting a conviction if the photo showed any law breaking act or specifically of this nature?