WRBs. it's not a conspiracy, man!

[Akzle]

I'm not sure if the link has been made before...

A bit of reading will elucidate you to the fact that different frequency flickering light can alter your brain frequency/wave pattern. This has been used as torture in some cases. Therapy in others.

https://vestibular.org/news/11-21-2013/lighting-flicker-health-concerns
http://www.positivehealth.com/article/women-s-health/photic-stimulation-novel-light-treatment-proves-very-effective
and if you have the time (suggest w3m as it's new/gay coded page):
http://austinpublishinggroup.com/clinical-neurology/fulltext/ajcn-v1-id1010.php

so going over the bryndys, past these WRBs, i note that it peripherally, on both sides, the posts create a "flicker".
To me it's just annoying, because i'm able to pay attention to shit, but i wonder if this has been engineered with any kind of regard to the sub-conscious effect on drivers, and at different speeds.

IE, is it engineered to panic your brain at 104km/h? or keep you awake at 80? or put you to sleep at 120?

i'll do a couple of runs with my laser tach and get some actual numbers one day.

mean times: discuss.

[BLP]

I'm not sure if the link has been made before...

A bit of reading will elucidate you to the fact that different frequency flickering light can alter your brain frequency/wave pattern. This has been used as torture in some cases. Therapy in others.

https://vestibular.org/news/11-21-2013/lighting-flicker-health-concerns
http://www.positivehealth.com/article/women-s-health/photic-stimulation-novel-light-treatment-proves-very-effective
and if you have the time (suggest w3m as it's new/gay coded page):
http://austinpublishinggroup.com/clinical-neurology/fulltext/ajcn-v1-id1010.php

so going over the bryndys, past these WRBs, i note that it peripherally, on both sides, the posts create a "flicker".
To me it's just annoying, because i'm able to pay attention to shit, but i wonder if this has been engineered with any kind of regard to the sub-conscious effect on drivers, and at different speeds.

IE, is it engineered to panic your brain at 104km/h? or keep you awake at 80? or put you to sleep at 120?

i'll do a couple of runs with my laser tach and get some actual numbers one day.

mean times: discuss.
That's why they put fluros into schools. Makes it easier to indoctrinate the kids...

[Akzle]

That's why they put fluros into schools. Makes it easier to indoctrinate the kids...

don't even start me on that shit.
:Offtopic:
chromebooks. chromebooks everywhere... (and we know how backlit devices affect serotonin production etc)

and a GMAIL backend for school email!!

sure, means network admin can be "handled" by Ms. Betsy at the front desk.... also means jewgle has unbridled access to the communications of the next generations.

all that mindless chanting. the regurgitatian of book-lernin. ring a bell and they jump... or sit... good quiet citizens.

[neels]

You could be right about wrb post spacing, cones at road works are placed at the prescribed spacing for a reason, and fuckwits speed up on passing lanes because the wider road makes them feel safer. No reason why permanent road furniture wouldn't have some of the same science applied.

[Berries]

Fuck. Me.

Is he off the meds or something? A relatively sane post that is very nearly on topic.

He must be trying to impress Madbikeboy.

[Akzle]

You could be right about wrb post spacing, cones at road works are placed at the prescribed spacing for a reason, do you have evidence of that reason? roadworks are limited to 30, presumably the spacings would be specified to prevent ambiguity/ clearly indicate lanings/ control traffic...?

[Akzle]

Fuck. Me.

Is he off the meds or something? A relatively sane post that is very nearly on topic.

He must be trying to impress Madbikeboy.

what can i say? i validate myself by what kb thinks of me.

[FJRider]

You could be right about wrb post spacing, cones at road works are placed at the prescribed spacing for a reason, and fuckwits speed up on passing lanes because the wider road makes them feel safer. No reason why permanent road furniture wouldn't have some of the same science applied.

You are correct about the cones ... I work (part time) in Traffic Management (ie: Stop/Go, Traffic diversion around the side of road work(s) (tree felling etc) and the term for the spacing of cones is called abrasion. The narrow width of the path ... to slow drivers. (as opposed to the spacing of the cones)

However ... the posts for the barriers would have more to do with engineering strength ... than traffic abrasion. Most car/truck drivers take no notice of the barriers.

Maybe they should paint them red ... :<_<

[FJRider]

what can i say? i validate myself by what kb thinks of me.

We think you're a cunt ... :shifty:

[Akzle]

We think you're a cunt ... :shifty:

https://pknessblog.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/4b8427ba45fc2706f5ad3e803fbfa10014c345c6667b787f84 605dd0b23145a6.jpg%3Fw%3D685%26h%3D493

[FJRider]

...

Just saying ... :innocent:

[Madness]

Never mind the conspiracy theory, have they sorted out the rock garden masquerading as a road on the north side northbound? That shit cost me a tyre last month. I think you're a cunt too.

[trufflebutter]

''so going over the bryndys, past these WRBs, i note that it peripherally, on both sides, the posts create a "flicker".

You'll get that being a car driver, not so much on bike because you sit higher.

[Akzle]

Never mind the conspiracy theory, have they sorted out the rock garden masquerading as a road on the north side northbound? That shit cost me a tyre last month. I think you're a cunt too.

well they've painted it, so i'm guessing it's the top layer, but it's basically loose chip stuck in a bed of either bubblegum or tar.

i give it 2 months until it's peeling out. and they're patching it. huzzah.

[Akzle]

However ... the posts for the barriers would have more to do with engineering strength ... than traffic abrasion. Most car/truck drivers take no notice of the barriers.

Maybe they should paint them red ... :<_<

yeah but that's the thing... do they have a subliminal effect?
if yes: has it been utilised by TPTB to manipulate behaviour, OR less orwellian but scary anyway, are they ignorant of it?

option b: the flicker has no effect.

[trufflebutter]

Had to shoot over to the south side of the Brynderwyns today and on the way back it was noticed that the newly installed WRB's have been tested and successfully tested I might add, the car is pointing northward in the southbound lanes, it spun around somehow. A possible head on was avoided.

[Blackbird]

Absolutely correct.

There was a case study in the early 1970's where there were a statistically significant number of unexplained crashes on a stretch of German autobahn in winter. The Ergonomics Dept of Cranfield University in the UK cracked it. The low sun angle through leafless poplars at the side of the autobahn created a flicker which in turn created a type of epileptic seizure in some drivers that had a predisposition to light frequencies of that type.

So yes, a very real phenomenon...... :Punk:

[buggerit]

Had to shoot over to the south side of the Brynderwyns today and on the way back it was noticed that the newly installed WRB's have been tested and successfully tested I might add, the car is pointing northward in the southbound lanes, it spun around somehow. A possible head on was avoided.

And if it had been concrete, a couple of black marks on the toe of the wall, a brown skiddy in the drivers pants and no
need to involve 4 traffic management trucks and a repair crew.:blink:

[Daffyd]

Absolutely correct.

There was a case study in the early 1970's where there were a statistically significant number of unexplained crashes on a stretch of German autobahn in winter. The Ergonomics Dept of Cranfield University in the UK cracked it. The low sun angle through leafless poplars at the side of the autobahn created a flicker which in turn created a type of epileptic seizure in some drivers that had a predisposition to light frequencies of that type.

So yes, a very real phenomenon...... :Punk:

I can identify with this. A few years ago when I lived in Papatowai in the Catlins, I worked at Fonterra at Edendale through the winter months. There was one particular stretch of road near Fortrose lined with tall flaxes. If I timed it right, (or wrong, depending on how you look at it), the sun shining between the flaxes had a very disturbing effect on me.

[Akzle]

Absolutely correct.

There was a case study in the early 1970's where there were a statistically significant number of unexplained crashes on a stretch of German autobahn in winter. The Ergonomics Dept of Cranfield University in the UK cracked it. The low sun angle through leafless poplars at the side of the autobahn created a flicker which in turn created a type of epileptic seizure in some drivers that had a predisposition to light frequencies of that type.

So yes, a very real phenomenon...... :Punk:

quick jewgle fails me. link?

[BLP]

Absolutely correct.

There was a case study in the early 1970's where there were a statistically significant number of unexplained crashes on a stretch of German autobahn in winter. The Ergonomics Dept of Cranfield University in the UK cracked it. The low sun angle through leafless poplars at the side of the autobahn created a flicker which in turn created a type of epileptic seizure in some drivers that had a predisposition to light frequencies of that type.

So yes, a very real phenomenon...... :Punk:
I would liken it to a strobe light in a night club it warps your perception of speed a day depth and you can't react to changes as quickly.

[Blackbird]

quick jewgle fails me. link?

I was a junior engineering lecturer in the department next to Ergonomics - direct contact with the people involved. Have no idea whether there was a paper published or whether it was a commercial contract.

[husaberg]

I was a junior engineering lecturer in the department next to Ergonomics - direct contact with the people involved. Have no idea whether there was a paper published or whether it was a commercial contract.
You should have been next to the music department.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BcznTZzoec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zcgdoyinus

The setting sun effect on the pine forrest on the highway between Chch and Ashvegas used to be horriffic in late afternoon, very distracting.
It wasn't a conspiracy unless CHV was in on it as well.

[Akzle]

I would liken it to a strobe light in a night club it warps your perception of speed a day depth and you can't react to changes as quickly.

only at certain frequencies. and it's implemented at clubs with specifically that effect in mind...

[Blackbird]

You should have been next to the music department.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BcznTZzoec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zcgdoyinus

Hahaha! Good find :2thumbsup . Cranfield was aeronautics, engineering and management. Not an arts faculty within miles :innocent:

[Akzle]

I was a junior engineering lecturer in the department next to Ergonomics - direct contact with the people involved. Have no idea whether there was a paper published or whether it was a commercial contract.

rbgiafp.

the plot thickens.

[Grumph]

Absolutely correct.

There was a case study in the early 1970's where there were a statistically significant number of unexplained crashes on a stretch of German autobahn in winter. The Ergonomics Dept of Cranfield University in the UK cracked it. The low sun angle through leafless poplars at the side of the autobahn created a flicker which in turn created a type of epileptic seizure in some drivers that had a predisposition to light frequencies of that type.

So yes, a very real phenomenon...... :Punk:

The classic French Route Nationales pre motorways were lined with Poplars. They were apparently well known for the strobe effect - and it's affect on drivers.

Then again most were probably well wined anyway.

[husaberg]

The classic French Route Nationales pre motorways were lined with Poplars. They were apparently well known for the strobe effect - and it's affect on drivers.

Then again most were probably well wined anyway.

You would remember how crap the drive was with the pines between ash vegas and CHCH in the late afternoon.


Hahaha! Good find :2thumbsup . Cranfield was aeronautics, engineering and management. Not an arts faculty within miles :innocent:

Yeah i bet you were well overun with hot looking girls:laugh:

[FJRider]

yeah but that's the thing... do they have a subliminal effect?
if yes: has it been utilised by TPTB to manipulate behaviour, OR less orwellian but scary anyway, are they ignorant of it?

option b: the flicker has no effect.

They don't bother me or slow me down ... but I keep a more wary eye on other traffic near or approaching me though.

Roads with single lane traffic each way with a median barrier might be a little intimidated with the "abrasion" principal though ... but they would be wimps ... :shifty:

[BLP]

only at certain frequencies. and it's implemented at clubs with specifically that effect in mind...
Yea correct so the sun at the right angle and spectrum due to time of year would create the same effect through the trees I guess.

[pritch]

yeah but that's the thing... do they have a subliminal effect?


Yes. Similar to when the red lights go out on some Sunday afternoons. :shit:

[rastuscat]

The lights inside the Booze Bus are calibrated to induce intoxication.

True Story.

[Akzle]

The lights inside the Booze Bus are calibrated to induce intoxication.

True Story.

explains all those wobbly cops that hang around it :whistle:

[R650R]

Even higher tech than WRB.... using ones brain for situational awareness... wire no match for truck!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iGcwATYH4I

[mossy1200]

do you have evidence of that reason? roadworks are limited to 30, presumably the spacings would be specified to prevent ambiguity/ clearly indicate lanings/ control traffic...?

Road cones spacing helps control speed. If you start reducing the spacing(not width across road) between the cones gradually drivers perception is that that they have increased speed. The brain registers time to pass each cone in peripheral vision as reducing. The cones need to be set directly across from each other for the effect to work well.

[R650R]

Road cones spacing helps control speed. If you start reducing the spacing(not width across road) between the cones gradually drivers perception is that that they have increased speed. The brain registers time to pass each cone in peripheral vision as reducing. The cones need to be set directly across from each other for the effect to work well.

that sounds like some expensive university funded dreamspeak....
In reality there are many other visual references to judge speed by. Given the frequency at which NZ roadworking contractors fail to manage to sites and leave cones out long after works have finished and in inconsistant manner I think most motorists largely ignore them and concentrate on the presence of real hazards to amend speed.

[Akzle]

Given the frequency at which NZ roadworking contractors fail to manage to sites and leave cones out long after works have finished

well, really, saves time innit,
cos it wont be long before they're back to patch it. again.

[Banditbandit]

that sounds like some expensive university funded dreamspeak....
In reality there are many other visual references to judge speed by. Given the frequency at which NZ roadworking contractors fail to manage to sites and leave cones out long after works have finished and in inconsistant manner I think most motorists largely ignore them and concentrate on the presence of real hazards to amend speed.

True .. but the cones and warning signs are not just for safety or while the road works are going on

They are also there to restrict speed so that the road works have a chance to settle down and be effective - the reason why workers go back to fix patches is that people cross them too fast and damage the new road surface ..

So if you speed through road works, don't complain about the state of the road that results - you dun it ..

[husaberg]

Road cones spacing helps control speed. If you start reducing the spacing(not width across road) between the cones gradually drivers perception is that that they have increased speed. The brain registers time to pass each cone in peripheral vision as reducing. The cones need to be set directly across from each other for the effect to work well.

Its far easier to reduce the width and far more effective.
I wonder how long it takes ol Axhole to figure out why the road markers are spaced closer on the corners.
I bet that will be the next conspiracy.

[Tazz]

Here I was thinking they just put a shitload of road cones out so the cheeky bastards could add it to the bill...that's just a bit simple though eh :laugh:

[eldog]

Its far easier to reduce the width and far more effective.
I wonder how long it takes ol Axhole to figure out why the road markers are spaced closer on the corners..

A few years back, Rotorua SH5 had a trial, in which the tighter the corner the more reflective posts (on both sides of the road).

You could tell if the corner was both tightening, opening up and also if was uphill, down or just level.

OK it would cost more, but was very effective in the middle of the night when I should have stopped and had a nap.


It should be employed on the more notorious corners about the place.

I still think a lower plate/rolled pressing should be attached to WRBs - it shouldn't cost that much and would prevent some extra damage.


Lately when I have driven past WRBs some of the tailgating done by car drivers, makes me wonder just how close they get to pushing me into them. :nono:

[Blackbird]

A few years back, Rotorua SH5 had a trial, in which the tighter the corner the more reflective posts (on both sides of the road).

You could tell if the corner was both tightening, opening up and also if was uphill, down or just level.

OK it would cost more, but was very effective in the middle of the night when I should have stopped and had a nap.



Like this on the NZTA Coromandel Loop project? It's pretty effective at night and is also cue in the day in addition to the the vanishing point.

[eldog]

Like this on the NZTA Coromandel Loop project? It's pretty effective at night and is also cue in the day in addition to the the vanishing point.
It was way better than that. Progressive proportional spacing of posts on each side of the road reflectors both sides of posts, differing colours and coloured cats eyes as well. As the corner tightened so did the spacing on both sides. It was perhaps the all singing all dancing type of road indication.

i haven't been on the Coro loop for some time.

but your photo shows a similar but nowhere as good type of layout

from memory the posts had a reflector at the top and maybe 2 midway up the post. Could be wrong it was a wee while ago.


Caseye on here may remember it, I think it was approx 5km long at the top of the Mamaku, from Rotorua to Matamata.

looked forward to it every trip.

gone now that that area was redeveloped a few years back.... bugger:beer:

[husaberg]

Like this on the NZTA Coromandel Loop project? It's pretty effective at night and is also cue in the day in addition to the the vanishing point.


It was way better than that. Progressive proportional spacing of posts on each side of the road reflectors both sides of posts, differing colours and coloured cats eyes as well. As the corner tightened so did the spacing on both sides. It was perhaps the all singing all dancing type of road indication.

i haven't been on the Coro loop for some time.

but your photo shows a similar but nowhere as good type of layout

from memory the posts had a reflector at the top and maybe 2 midway up the post. Could be wrong it was a wee while ago.

On one of the bends south of Otira just before Wainininini the LTSA or who ever installled a speed activated arrow on a sign that told the person to both slow down if they were going faster than the recomended speed and indicated the direction of the bend.
Its mainly for the tourists but it seems to be working no cars on their roof for a while now.
There are a couple of bends south of Charleston that could do with them.

[Blackbird]

It was way better than that. Progressive proportional spacing of posts on each side of the road reflectors both sides of posts, differing colours and coloured cats eyes as well. As the corner tightened so did the spacing on both sides. It was perhaps the all singing all dancing type of road indication.

i haven't been on the Coro loop for some time.

but your photo shows a similar but nowhere as good type of layout

from memory the posts had a reflector at the top and maybe 2 midway up the post. Could be wrong it was a wee while ago.

Sounds like they did a top job in Rotorua. The close-spaced markers on this corner ( Kopu-Hikuai road ) aren't recent. I'm involved with the Northern Loop project so will pass your comments on. Cheers! :niceone:

[Blackbird]

On one of the bends south of Otira just before Wainininini the LTSA or who ever installled a speed activated arrow on a sign that told the person to both slow down if they were going faster than the recomended speed and indicated the direction of the bend.
Its mainly for the tourists but it seems to be working no cars on their roof for a while now.
There are a couple of bends south of Charleston that could do with them.

I've noticed a few of these springing up around the Waikato and Auckland in recent times.

[eldog]

Sounds like they did a top job in Rotorua. The close-spaced markers on this corner ( Kopu-Hikuai road ) aren't recent. I'm involved with the Northern Loop project so will pass your comments on. Cheers! :niceone:
I am sure someone would remember it being a test, so maybe the info is around somewhere.
predecessor to NZTA....

[husaberg]

I've noticed a few of these springing up around the Waikato and Auckland in recent times.

Waikato backroads are pretty shitty, blind corners and dips and rises and milk tankers gallore.

[eldog]

On one of the bends south of Otira just before Wainininini the LTSA or who ever installled a speed activated arrow on a sign that told the person to both slow down if they were going faster than the recomended speed and indicated the direction of the bend.
Its mainly for the tourists but it seems to be working no cars on their roof for a while now.
There are a couple of bends south of Charleston that could do with them.

Sounds good.

prefer a no tech solution as arseholes up here would just wreck it, for the hell of it.:brick:

[eldog]

Waikato backroads are pretty shitty, blind corners and dips and rises and milk tankers gallore.
Better than Akl roads. And so are the people.

[husaberg]

Sounds good.

prefer a no tech solution as arseholes up here would just wreck it, for the hell of it.:brick:

It always had the traditional big arrow and speed corner sign heaps of pegs etc., but i guess the tourist were to preoccupied looking at the scenery.

[eldog]

It always had the traditional big arrow and speed corner sign heaps of pegs etc., but i guess the tourist were to preoccupied looking at the scenery.
Probably think it is a speed camera in disguise.

don't knock it, if it works

[Akzle]

I've noticed a few of these springing up around the Waikato and Auckland in recent times.

northbound through dome valley and southbound through secret roads which aucklanders shouldn't be allowed on. a 55 and 35 respectively. fackn dangerous when you're heading into them at night, eyes nicely adjusted for low beam, holding more than the statutory/advisory velocity, then they fucken blind you with white and orange flashing fucken LEDs. safety my fucken arse, i'll bowl one over some day, just on principal.

[Voltaire]

I recall once at a Brass Monkey heading to kweenstown on my Z1000J a row of poplars strobing me and I ended up at some pub with a Sunday voucher watching Europe doing the Final Countdown.....doo doo do do.:lol: