They won't do that again.

[pritch]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/28/three-burglars-entered-an-oklahoma-home-the-owners-son-opened-fire-with-an-ar-15-deputies-say/?utm_term=.6827b2f71cd0&wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1

[EJK]

He's my hero.

[Akzle]

castle law. (a man's home is his castle, you cant be criminally charged for pretty much anything on your property)

shown to reduce incidence of burglary 80%

[TheDemonLord]

castle law. (a man's home is his castle, you cant be criminally charged for pretty much anything on your property)

shown to reduce incidence of burglary 80%

*75%

He didn't get the getaway driver....

3/4 though aint bad - especially in the dark.

And he was even gentlemanly enough to give them a verbal warning.

[Autech]

Interesting that they charged the getaway driver with first degree murder.

I find myself not very sympathetic, if you're doing burglary in the USA you surely must know there's a high chance you'll get blown away if caught. I'm pretty sure most Kiwibikers would blast anyone they caught near their bikes.

'Murica

[swarfie]

Awesome...need more of that.:clap::niceone:

[pritch]

Interesting that they charged the getaway driver with first degree murder.



That surprised me. Some years ago when discussing a then high profile local murder case, a former US Marine long resident in the greater Wellington area, told me that in the US if you kill someone on the way to committing a felony, while committing a felony, or while leaving the scene of a felony, the charge must be murder in the first degree.

Charging the get away driver with three murders because she was party to a felony burglary is taking that to another level though. Had the burglars killed someone in the house yes, but that's not what happened. Certainly interesting.

[Autech]

That surprised me. Some years ago when discussing a then high profile local murder case, a former US Marine long resident in the greater Wellington area, told me that in the US if you kill someone on the way to committing a felony, while committing a felony, or while leaving the scene of a felony, the charge must be murder in the first degree.

Charging the get away driver with three murders because she was party to a felony burglary is taking that to another level though. Had the burglars killed someone in the house yes, but that's not what happened. Certainly interesting.

Just goes to show the US of A has some fucking weird ideas. Just like how they think they're the most free nation on the gawd dayme planet.
I'd say manslaughter (or their equivalent) would be a more relevant crime. I mean she put them in the position to die but did not intend it.

[Akzle]

Just goes to show the US of A has some fucking weird ideas. Just like how they think they're the most free nation on the gawd dayme planet.
I'd say manslaughter (or their equivalent) would be a more relevant crime. I mean she put them in the position to die but did not intend it.

your missing the point. the letter of the legislature stipulates...

[TheDemonLord]

Just goes to show the US of A has some fucking weird ideas. Just like how they think they're the most free nation on the gawd dayme planet.
I'd say manslaughter (or their equivalent) would be a more relevant crime. I mean she put them in the position to die but did not intend it.

I'm actually fine with it.

If you cause Death in the process of committing a crime - what did you think would happen?

[pritch]

Just goes to show the US of A has some fucking weird ideas. Just like how they think they're the most free nation on the gawd dayme planet.
I'd say manslaughter (or their equivalent) would be a more relevant crime. I mean she put them in the position to die but did not intend it.

The whole American legal system is badly broken but I think that law is fine as is. Your gun goes off accidentally and kills someone while you're robbing a bank? That's murder 1. You kill a pedestraian while making your getaway from the bank robbery? That's murder 1. No problem with any of that.

Her case though is different. We probably won't be able to see how it ends either.

[Zedder]

Interesting that they charged the getaway driver with first degree murder.

I find myself not very sympathetic, if you're doing burglary in the USA you surely must know there's a high chance you'll get blown away if caught. I'm pretty sure most Kiwibikers would blast anyone they caught near their bikes.

'Murica


I'm highly lacking in sympathy.

[Zedder]

Awesome...need more of that.:clap::niceone:


Yep, totally agree.

[Gremlin]

That surprised me. Some years ago when discussing a then high profile local murder case, a former US Marine long resident in the greater Wellington area, told me that in the US if you kill someone on the way to committing a felony, while committing a felony, or while leaving the scene of a felony, the charge must be murder in the first degree.

Charging the get away driver with three murders because she was party to a felony burglary is taking that to another level though. Had the burglars killed someone in the house yes, but that's not what happened. Certainly interesting.
I don't think all states have it, but yes, if committing a crime = to felony, then it's on your head, whatever happens.

Not the first time, probably not the last: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/04/justice/oklahoma-intruder-shooting/

[Laava]

The story I read was edited to say that the getaway driver has yet to be charged. But the charge was felony murder, not just plain old everyday murder. No idea if there is much of a difference between the two but as she was just a dumb arse getaway driver, she will probably get off comparatively lightly.

[Zedder]

The story I read was edited to say that the getaway driver has yet to be charged. But the charge was felony murder, not just plain old everyday murder. No idea if there is much of a difference between the two but as she was just a dumb arse getaway driver, she will probably get off comparatively lightly.


Plain old everyday murder is exactly just that, everyday, in the good ole US of A. Felony murder is better...

[F5 Dave]

But the real question is;
- is 'Burglarized' a real word? Spell check let it pass. Buts what's wrong with 'Burgled'?

[Akzle]

But the real question is;
- is 'Burglarized' a real word? Spell check let it pass. Buts what's wrong with 'Burgled'?

you don't necessarily have to burgle something to burglarise it.

[FJRider]

But the real question is;
- is 'Burglarized' a real word? Spell check let it pass. Buts what's wrong with 'Burgled'?

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/burglarize

:bleh:

[awayatc]

Great outcome. ...

[Daffyd]

But the real question is;
- is 'Burglarized' a real word? Spell check let it pass. Buts what's wrong with 'Burgled'?

Just another bastardisation of the English language By the Yanks!

[F5 Dave]

Yes FJs post seems to agree in the lower part.

[Brian d marge]

castle law. (a man's home is his castle, you cant be criminally charged for pretty much anything on your property)

shown to reduce incidence of burglary 80%
Only if you actually own ur own home
99.9 % are just borrowing the house or car from the queen

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[Brian d marge]

your missing the point. the letter of the legislature stipulates...
It's all business ...Just business nothing personal

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[Brian d marge]

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/burglarize

:bleh:
BURGLARIOUSLY

In pleading. A technical word which must be introduced into an indictment for burglary at common law. Lewis v. State, 16 Conn. 34; Reed v. State, 14 Tex. App. 665

BURGLARITER L

Lat (Burglariously.) In old criminal pleading. A necessary word in indictments for burglary.

BURGLAR
One who commits burglary. One who breaks into a dwelling-house in the night-time with intent to commit a felony. Wilson v. State, 34 Ohio St. 200; O'Connor v. Press Pub. Co., 34 Misc. Rep. 564, 70 N. Y. Supp. 367



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[jasonu]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/28/three-burglars-entered-an-oklahoma-home-the-owners-son-opened-fire-with-an-ar-15-deputies-say/?utm_term=.6827b2f71cd0&wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1

Fucken A!!!!!

[jasonu]

But the real question is;
- is 'Burglarized' a real word? Spell check let it pass. Buts what's wrong with 'Burgled'?

Yes it is a word and I hate it!!!

[FJRider]

BURGLARIOUSLY

In pleading ...

sorry ... too much information.

To say I'm not interested anymore ... would be an understatement.

But thank you for sharing ...

[FJRider]

99.9 % are just borrowing the house or car from the queen



Check your figures ... 20% have their rent paid by the Queen ... 50% of the rest have their rent paid by MSD.

99% of the rest the banks have a vested interest in the proceedings ...

[Brian d marge]

Check your figures ... 20% have their rent paid by the Queen ... 50% of the rest have their rent paid by MSD.

99% of the rest the banks have a vested interest in the proceedings ...
If it's registered. You ain't owning it

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[Big Dog]

The story I read was edited to say that the getaway driver has yet to be charged. But the charge was felony murder, not just plain old everyday murder. No idea if there is much of a difference between the two but as she was just a dumb arse getaway driver, she will probably get off comparatively lightly.
Felony murder doesn't require intent, only that you were there to commit a felony when someone died as a result of the felony.
Sentence will depend on state. If she doesn't want to spend the rest of her life behind bars she will need a good lawyer and a plea deal.

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[Doppleganger]

A very pleasing outcome :-)

[Banditbandit]

Felony murder doesn't require intent, only that you were there to commit a felony when someone died as a result of the felony.
Sentence will depend on state. If she doesn't want to spend the rest of her life behind bars she will need a good lawyer and a plea deal.

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No plea deal - pointless - she can't point the finger at the other crims - they're dead ..

[F5 Dave]

She could say they said they were working late shift as locksmiths and off to play ball

[Big Dog]

No plea deal - pointless - she can't point the finger at the other crims - they're dead ..
Not unheard of just to lower the cost to the state.

Murder trials and their appeals are expensive. Difficult to appeal a guilty plea.

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[Brian d marge]

They are already trying a dead person ,

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[pritch]

I wondered about Oklahoma and the death penalty, Oklahoma has the highest number of executions in the USA. They use the needle.

Since the manufacturer of the drug they used has banned export to the US of A, the various states are running into trouble finding an appropriate cocktail to use as a replacement. There have been some very painful executions.

Apparently the lady is still locked up but has said, "We got greedy." The team had already burgled the garage but she knew the people had money and there was nice stuff in the house so she took the lads back later in the day for another visit.

[pritch]

There has been a court appearance. The woman pleaded not guilty to three charges of murder in the first degree, one charge of buglary in the first degree and one charge of burglary in the second degree. No plea deal was offered.

The shooter will not face charges.

[EJK]

The shooter will not face charges.

If this was in NZ he would be charged with multiple counts of murder and funds will be raised for the burglars families. Stuff.co.nz will have "He was a kind hearted sweet boy..." bullshit articles for days.

[Autech]

If this was in NZ he would be charged with multiple counts of murder and funds will be raised for the burglars families. Stuff.co.nz will have "He was a kind hearted sweet boy..." bullshit articles for days.

...there will be an outcry from the boomers about how video games cause violence and that if he'd had the cane at school he wouldn't have shot the people in his house.

[EJK]

...there will be an outcry from the boomers about how video games cause violence and that if he'd had the cane at school he wouldn't have shot the people in his house.

You forgot John Key. Everything will be his and the gubermints fault. Oh wait, it's Bill English now but he's busy making spaghetti pizza..!!

[pritch]

You forgot John Key. Everything will be his and the gubermints fault. Oh wait, it's Bill English now but he's busy making spaghetti pizza..!!

Hager would be researching the case for his next conspiracy novel.

[EJK]

Just saw this news...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/91239737/wellington-tyre-slasher-jailed-for-22-months-claiming-to-be-proud-of-his-actions

If you run over and kill someone under DUI four times over the limit, or rob a dairy with a firearm you get a slap on the wrist. But if you stab some tyres you go to jail for almost two years..?!?! Seriously what the fuck?

[Akzle]

Just saw this news...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/91239737/wellington-tyre-slasher-jailed-for-22-months-claiming-to-be-proud-of-his-actions

If you run over and kill someone under DUI four times over the limit, or rob a dairy with a firearm you get a slap on the wrist. But if you stab some tyres you go to jail for almost two years..?!?! Seriously what the fuck?

white guys, huh:weird:

[pritch]

i see a report from the US that the grandfather of one of the dead burglars claimed it wasn't a fair fight because the occupant had an AR15.

[TheDemonLord]

i see a report from the US that the grandfather of one of the dead burglars claimed it wasn't a fair fight because the occupant had an AR15.

He clearly needs to learn the British definition of a Fair Fight....

[Brian d marge]

He clearly needs to learn the British definition of a Fair Fight....
Absolutely
Bomb the bejesus out of everything

Now the venicians, they make the British look like rank amateurs

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[Banditbandit]

Just saw this news...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/91239737/wellington-tyre-slasher-jailed-for-22-months-claiming-to-be-proud-of-his-actions

If you run over and kill someone under DUI four times over the limit, or rob a dairy with a firearm you get a slap on the wrist. But if you stab some tyres you go to jail for almost two years..?!?! Seriously what the fuck?

have you not yet worked out that we live in a capitalist society - which values property over lives ..

[jasonu]

Just saw this news...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/91239737/wellington-tyre-slasher-jailed-for-22-months-claiming-to-be-proud-of-his-actions

If you run over and kill someone under DUI four times over the limit, or rob a dairy with a firearm you get a slap on the wrist. But if you stab some tyres you go to jail for almost two years..?!?! Seriously what the fuck?

Good on him. I'll bet the local authorities told him there is nothing they can (be bothered as none of them live in the area) do.

That John Campbell cunt is looking goofier by the day.