Thinking of moving to a litre bike. R1, Gixxer 1k etc. Which?

[nzspokes]

Thinking about changing the Gix 750 up to a litre bike. Not new models as it will be out on track days.

So for track days and scratching, say spending 10 to 12k.

Have at it.

[SVboy]

Check your own avitar for the correct answer. In K5 flavour.

[nzspokes]

Check your own avitar for the correct answer. In K5 flavour.

Im after a more modern bike.

[KawasakiKid]

Unless you have good experience on track you will likely be slower on a 1000 than on your 750. And possibly more of a hindrance to others. Learn your craft first, maybe even go to smaller capacity, have more fun and learn more

[AllanB]

Heres some suggestions - they get more interesting at the end :-)


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1300205814.htm


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1277051151.htm


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1299085813.htm


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1283408940.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1296149617.htm


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1295896615.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1253679331.htm


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1185016344.htm

[tigertim20]

I roll my eyes every time this 'which bke should i get' question is asked.

My preferences will not be your preferences.

Go and test ride a few, narrow it down to 3-4 bikes, then come back and ask for pros / cons from people who have owned your choices.

[nzspokes]

Heres some suggestions - they get more interesting at the end :-)


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1300205814.htm


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1277051151.htm


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1299085813.htm


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1283408940.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1296149617.htm


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1295896615.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1253679331.htm


http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1185016344.htm

The Gixxer is the older model. That R1 is high on the list but I believe they need to be uncorked as it were.

[nzspokes]

Unless you have good experience on track you will likely be slower on a 1000 than on your 750. And possibly more of a hindrance to others. Learn your craft first, maybe even go to smaller capacity, have more fun and learn more

Yeah get that. Last track day kept getting held up by guys on 1k bikes that were slow on the corners and would open up on the straights. :(

And we were not allowed to overtake on corners.

[nzspokes]

I roll my eyes every time this 'which bke should i get' question is asked.

My preferences will not be your preferences.

Go and test ride a few, narrow it down to 3-4 bikes, then come back and ask for pros / cons from people who have owned your choices.

Meh, its a public holiday so none of the shops are open. Well all other shops are but Motorcycle shops never are.

So I will talk about bikes on Kiwibiker, will make a change.

[AllanB]

The Gixxer is the older model. That R1 is high on the list but I believe they need to be uncorked as it were.

In the price range appears to be the 08-09 models.

Typical of buying vehicles a couple grand above ones budget always offers something tasty. Does not matter if it is bikes or cars.


If you are mainly on the road ASB and the likes is attractive - 10 -15 hp between models means nothing on the big bores.

Depends what you are looking for in your ride - all are silly fast, corner better than 95% of the owners will ever use, brake hard enough to physically move your brain within your skull.

You have had a long diet of Japanese bikes - maybe try something European for a change. Hmmm thoses KTM's ... bring out the inner hooligan.

Heck you are mechanically minded - keep an eye on this auction http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1300779532.htm

[Crasherfromwayback]

And we were not allowed to overtake on corners.

Gee. That must be an incredible amount of fun!

[onearmedbandit]

If the bikes are inline fours that would explain why they are slow on the bends as they dont have as much low down torque as a twin. I once read that the best racetrack bikes in corners were Ducatis due to the low down torque they have being a twin.

I think you've misunderstood there, it would be more a reference to the riders not being quick on the bends, not the bikes themselves.

[nzspokes]

Gee. That must be an incredible amount of fun!

Yerp, hearing ya.

[nzspokes]

If the bikes are inline fours that would explain why they are slow on the bends as they dont have as much low down torque as a twin. I once read that the best racetrack bikes in corners were Ducatis due to the low down torque they have being a twin.

Wow, you are an expert on track now?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yerp, hearing ya.

Fucking crazy eh! No wonder you want a Thou!

[george formby]

If the bikes are inline fours that would explain why they are slow on the bends as they dont have as much low down torque as a twin. I once read that the best racetrack bikes in corners were Ducatis due to the low down torque they have being a twin.

I take it you have not ridden a modern 160hp +, 1000cc, 4 cylinder, sprot bike, lately? I don't find them lacking in anything but I lack the cajones to really get on the gas cranked over. Pretty sure I'm not alone.

My local racer and a couple of mates have gone down the R1 route OP. One of them is currently "unchocking" his for maximum effect and it seems to be making a big difference. They are all happy campers.

[Crasherfromwayback]

than the inline 4 did which had stuff all low down torque.

Get yourself a ride on a GSXR1000K5 then. Then report back to us.

[onearmedbandit]

All I can say is 'oh my god is this for real?'.

[ellipsis]

...I read somewhere that if I put my dick in some kind of plastic thing and then somehow created a vacuum with some kind of pump, my sex life would improve and my dick would get longer and thicker...I didn't need to try it, but it must be true...

[nzspokes]

I have never ridden a modern race inline 4 or a modern racing Ducati but am just basing my view from the story I read about racing Ducatis being better at cornering than racing inline 4s plus my opinion from riding a street inline 4 and an about the same size twin. Lets hope someone who has ridden both a racing inline 4 and a racing Ducati is able to post their opinion of the 2 on here. I will try and find the story about the racing Ducati being the better of the 2 on bends and post a link to it.

Was it written by Jorge?

[nzspokes]

Hmmmmmm, http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1303009030.htm

[SVboy]

OP, the man with the Africa Twin has spoken! if you want to corner well on track only a Ducati will do. Mods, close the thread now!

[Akzle]

I dont know who wrote the article and I have been unable to find it so far but I am not having you guys on that there was an article written about Ducatis being superior at cornering on race tracks due to them being a twin. The article would have been written about 5 years ago and maybe inline 4 technology has improved as far as low down torque ability goes since then.

consult your WOF guy oi.

[onearmedbandit]

I dont know who wrote the article and I have been unable to find it so far but I am not having you guys on that there was an article written about Ducatis being superior at cornering on race tracks due to them being a twin. The article would have been written about 5 years ago and maybe inline 4 technology has improved as far as low down torque ability goes since then.

Apex speed and exit speed are two different things as I'm sure you're aware (if not then I've just written it for you to read so you can assume now that it's fact), and apex speed is not affected by torque.

[nzspokes]

I dont know who wrote the article and I have been unable to find it so far but I am not having you guys on that there was an article written about Ducatis being superior at cornering on race tracks due to them being a twin. The article would have been written about 5 years ago and maybe inline 4 technology has improved as far as low down torque ability goes since then.

Where do you stand on V4 then?

[AllanB]

I just wrote and deleted a lengthy post for Cassina about my experience between my Ducati and previous fours.

I reviewed it, liked it, even thought the real life (road) experience might help Cass understand.

Then deleted it.

I give up. :facepalm:



I still think NZSpokes should buy the KTM

[nzspokes]

Get yourself a ride on a GSXR1000K5 then. Then report back to us.

Serious question then, are the k5/k6 that much better? Say if I was to choose between a k5 or a k9? Not ridden either so cant compare.

And way bigger question, does ABS suck on track?

[Zedder]

I give up. :facepalm:


That's totally understandable. I've considered undergoing counselling and have only been involved in a couple of threads!

[SVboy]

I put the K5/6 upas it has a fabulous reputation. I have never ridden a 1000cc superbike so my comments are hearsay. The K5 is known for delivering its power in lower to mid range, with an abundance of torque. Great chassis and ok brakes. Most recall faults should have been addressed. They hold their money big time.
I gather the K7/8 have their power much higher in the rev range, making them harder work . Drew is probably the go to guy re Gixxers.
Kawasakis of this era, just no! So many factory geometry and suspension faults the rider needs to correct. Yamahas, do your research. Again I think the 2008 on are a rev monster until the Big Bang model.

Ps, you already own the king of sports bikes! Ride it faster.

[Gremlin]

A mate had a K6 1000. Said 185+ possible in first, and when I rode it, I could do 4th gear at 40kph through a roundabout and it would pull away. Decided at that point gears were probably pretty useless :eek5:

[nzspokes]

I just wrote and deleted a lengthy post for Cassina about my experience between my Ducati and previous fours.

I reviewed it, liked it, even thought the real life (road) experience might help Cass understand.

Then deleted it.

I give up. :facepalm:



I still think NZSpokes should buy the KTM

Just dont bother with the game.

Im after a Supersport. I have a street bike.

[nzspokes]

CBR? http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1294826449.htm

I like this a lot.

[KawasakiKid]

A mate had a K6 1000. Said 185+ possible in first

Pigs will fly before a Gixxer does 185+ in first

[onearmedbandit]

Pigs will fly before a Gixxer does 185+ in first

Agreed. Unless the gearing has been changed. My K2 indicates 144 in first, I believe some later ones ran a little higher but not 185+.

[AllanB]

CBR? http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1294826449.htm

I like this a lot.

It's a nice one.

There was a oil burning issue with some of the 08's - Google should give some insight to the models. Don't recall any bitching with NZ models.

[AllanB]

Mateeeeee

Slightly over budget though ......

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1302426825.htm

[mossy1200]

6k and keep your road bikes on the road. Trouble is I dont really want to sell it now lol.

I just went out on Saturday at Manfeild and its a weapon.
I assume your going in medium or novice if you cant pass in the corners. Get a track bike and go in fast and race.


There was a gsxr1000k2 with ohlins and race ecu for 3500 (offer just expired) which could resurface as it didnt sell.

This would be an option http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1294805350.htm

If you really want road and track http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1294591544.htm

[nzspokes]

It's a nice one.

There was a oil burning issue with some of the 08's - Google should give some insight to the models. Don't recall any bitching with NZ models.

Thanks for that, had no idea.

[Gremlin]

You're a pile of amateurs. Kiwi straights aren't that long, so he better get going: http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1305115745.htm

That is, given it's gentle nature before being modded, it's obviously even more gentle now... if he gets into and out of the corner and is still upright he might have a bit of straight left to pass with. :devil2:

(I owned an 04 ZX10 that I had dyno'd etc).

[mossy1200]

Hmmmmmm, http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1303009030.htm

Yes. But isnt that above your budget. If you negotiate tell him they are only 23k new now maybe he will drop a bit.
That will haul away from corners and match everything in the straights so some of the bikes holding you up wont be an issue anymore. I think thats the older model than my motor but its still a 185hp crank. Mines got more than you can use by a long shot. Wheelies on the gas. Not sure if that has launch control and wheelie control as well like mine. If its got the same ecu you can even set traction control to change each corner with gps.

Saying that I bought the zx10r to keep mine off the track. LOL

[Crasherfromwayback]

Serious question then, are the k5/k6 that much better? Say if I was to choose between a k5 or a k9? Not ridden either so cant compare.

And way bigger question, does ABS suck on track?

K5/6 is def one of my all time favs. Fuck ABS on a track.

[pritch]

I was not after a lengthy high tech post but just some confirmation as to if the story I read about Ducatis being quicker in corners than inline 4s on the race track or road for that matter was true or not.

I can't help feeling you were reading a Ducati advertisement.

A V twin has one inherent advantage in the way the firing impulses effect the grip of the tyres in a corner, but a "big bang" in-line four negates that to an extent.

If Ducati were so superior you'd be expecting them to win all the Superbike races since all the superbikes start life as road bikes. The poor Kawasaki fours which, not being big bang, must really struggle in the corners are doing most of the winning though. Maybe nobody told them that Ducati are supposed to be able to corner faster.

The Ducati GP bikes aren't twins but they've been having trouble turning for years with no end in sight.




And I hope I didn't just put a jinx on Messrs Rea and Sykes.

[Gremlin]

The Ducati GP bikes aren't twins but they've been having trouble turning for years with no end in sight.
No no, cassina was talking about speed in corners, so turning would have nothing to do with that... :shifty:

[nzspokes]

Yes. But isnt that above your budget. If you negotiate tell him they are only 23k new now maybe he will drop a bit.
That will haul away from corners and match everything in the straights so some of the bikes holding you up wont be an issue anymore. I think thats the older model than my motor but its still a 185hp crank. Mines got more than you can use by a long shot. Wheelies on the gas. Not sure if that has launch control and wheelie control as well like mine. If its got the same ecu you can even set traction control to change each corner with gps.

Saying that I bought the zx10r to keep mine off the track. LOL

I went to see it and its worth the money. You can tell a loved bike. Some people make an art of wirelocking. Its got race ecu and some mappy thing he plugs in. 17k with BSB carbon wheels.

[pritch]

No no, cassina was talking about speed in corners, so turning would have nothing to do with that... :shifty:

Maybe that's what Ducati are doing wrong? Instead of giving George twenty million they should have given it to Cassina, she'd sort them out in no time.

[mossy1200]

I went to see it and its worth the money. You can tell a loved bike. Some people make an art of wirelocking. Its got race ecu and some mappy thing he plugs in. 17k with BSB carbon wheels.

Carbon wheels are being banned in comp I think now in NZ. Im not sure you will ever need that extra money spent.

Edit: Gives you 2 sets for wets I guess but this is way above your original budget.

[caspernz]

The track training day we attended wasn't a fair indication of what any bike is capable of on track though aye Rob? Mostly down to how individual riders interpreted the guidelines we were given at the start...still a bit of fun though.

What you choose next just comes down to your aspirations. The 750 you're playing with now looks nicely sorted, for what it's worth.

[caspernz]

No no, cassina was talking about speed in corners, so turning would have nothing to do with that... :shifty:

Watch our for dogs too, and slow down...:sweatdrop

[flashg]

If you're tall, some bikes have more room than others, you might need to sit on a few.
And my 08 R1 hit the rev limiter @ 167 kph
Up to and including 06 R1's all 20 valve engines. 07 - 08 16 valve conventional firing order. 09 onwards crossplane crank engine.
Casbolts have one the same as my old one listed as an 07, its an 08 !! 07 much different graphics

[nzspokes]

The track training day we attended wasn't a fair indication of what any bike is capable of on track though aye Rob? Mostly down to how individual riders interpreted the guidelines we were given at the start...still a bit of fun though.

What you choose next just comes down to your aspirations. The 750 you're playing with now looks nicely sorted, for what it's worth.

Ive got to go through the vids yet but Im sure there is a few images of a yellow Busa. :eek:

Yeah it goes round corners nice, Dave Moss worked his wonders on it. Tyre wear is perfect.

I wants to go fasterer.

[SVboy]

CBR? http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1294826449.htm

I like this a lot.

The CBR is meant to handle really well and have " friendly" power, whatever that is! But as allanB
Said, early ones often had chronic oil burning tendencies and the fairings are the devils work to remove and replace. Regular servicing is a chore. Spark plug change anyone?

[sugilite]

I raced a ZX10R, and rode a friends GSXR1000K5, and I was very impressed. Doubt many riders would ever need more.

[mossy1200]

I raced a ZX10R, and rode a friends GSXR1000K5, and I was very impressed. Doubt many riders would ever need more.

Had my 2006 zx10r running side by side with a 2010 gsxr1000 on Saturday and as good as even on the straights for power.
I think there might have been a fair few years of small improvements each year but nothing huge.

[Madness]

17k with BSB carbon wheels.

*BST

Bugger carbon wheels, I'd rather forged aluminium for durability.

[nzspokes]

The CBR is meant to handle really well and have " friendly" power, whatever that is! But as allanB
Said, early ones often had chronic oil burning tendencies and the fairings are the devils work to remove and replace. Regular servicing is a chore. Spark plug change anyone?

I guess i will find out as I bought it. Its just had its plugs done. But I will be removing the pair system as it will hop on the dyno for a flash. So will be in that area.

Just found out that the 2012 digital dash with lap timer is a direct fit.

[AllanB]

looking forward to a report after you have clocked up some kms on it.

Honda insisted on developing the bike as a 'riders bike' and concentrated on the purity of the ride shunning lots of electronic aids. I think you'll enjoy it - should feel like a pumped up GSXR750 :cool:

[nzspokes]

*BST

Bugger carbon wheels, I'd rather forged aluminium for durability.

I work with and sell a lot of carbon product. And the quality gear is tough as hell. But the "light, strong, cheap. Pick 2" apply.

He reckoned they gave him 1 sec a lap at Hampton. But 5.5k. :blink:

[KawasakiKid]

Haven't read all the posts in this thread but if your CBR has a stock rear shock then you need to upgrade it. They overheat and are basically useless after about 5 laps. Good luck with the bike

[nzspokes]

Haven't read all the posts in this thread but if your CBR has a stock rear shock then you need to upgrade it. They overheat and are basically useless after about 5 laps. Good luck with the bike

Cheers, it will probably get a Nitron with adjustable length. Fork rebuild as well.

[Swoop]

No no, cassina was talking about speed in corners, so turning would have nothing to do with that... :shifty:
Shudder to think what "pressure to keep up with other riders" will do.

Nice to see Miss Cassina is now an expert on track as well as street riding.:brick::crazy:

[nzspokes]

I guess i will find out as I bought it. Its just had its plugs done. But I will be removing the pair system as it will hop on the dyno for a flash. So will be in that area.

Just found out that the 2012 digital dash with lap timer is a direct fit.

Bloody hell its tidy. Ive seen dirtier new bikes.

[AllanB]

Bloody hell its tidy. Ive seen dirtier new bikes.

Score :-)

I am quite impressed how quickly you went from shooting the shit to buying on this one :niceone:

[Zedder]

Good and fast move there alright.

[nzspokes]

Score :-)

I am quite impressed how quickly you went from shooting the shit to buying on this one :niceone:

Its in great shape, almost too nice to take to the track. Almost......

Just need a few tweeks to fit me. Little head scratch as i want to move the rearsets back but they will touch the muffler. I will sort it out.

[Katoom950]

If the bikes are inline fours that would explain why they are slow on the bends as they dont have as much low down torque as a twin. I once read that the best racetrack bikes in corners were Ducatis due to the low down torque they have being a twin.

Seriously? It's all down to the rider, NOT the bike.
Inline 4's are ridden on racetracks and WIN if in the hands of a good rider.
Remember, the bike is merely a tool, in the wrong hands, tools can be dangerous, so forget all that bullshit about V-twins being better etc. :facepalm:

[nzspokes]

Seriously? It's all down to the rider, NOT the bike.
Inline 4's are ridden on racetracks and WIN if in the hands of a good rider.
Remember, the bike is merely a tool, in the wrong hands, tools can be dangerous, so forget all that bullshit about V-twins being better etc. :facepalm:

Dont worry, Cassina doesnt know what torque is.

My Bandit has the most torque I have come across, pulls like a train from nothing. The CBR has a bit as well but the Bandit eats it down low. Mind you the CBR holds first to 140ish.

[Crasherfromwayback]

My Bandit has the most torque I have come across, pulls like a train from nothing. The CBR has a bit as well but the Bandit eats it down low. Mind you the CBR holds first to 140ish.

If you gear the CBR down to Bandit levels that'll change.

[nzspokes]

If you gear the CBR down to Bandit levels that'll change.

The Bandit is -1 front and +2 rear along with 90ftlbs at 6k rpm. So it should punch down low.

But yeah get the point on the CBR. Its gearing will be dropping.

[AllanB]

Gearing - ride a Ducati ..... 6th was useless unless over 130-140. I've dropped 1 tooth on the front (interesting Ducati offer this on just about every bike in their extras catalogs). Tall gearing to meet some shit Euro standard ride past regulation.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But yeah get the point on the CBR. Its gearing will be dropping.

Aye. Seeing as it's gonna be a track day bike...if you're not hitting the rev limiter in top on the fastest part of the track, it's over geared.

[HenryDorsetCase]

S1000RR

You're welcome