Speeding drivers could be fined nearly double their weekly income.

[Swoop]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/21/speeding-drivers-could-fined-nearly-double-weekly-income-penalties/


Of interest is the bike-mounted taxation camera.

[AllanB]

Meh Poms ....... nuff said really.


They get to go 160 on their motorways. I'd be happy with the open road limit at 160 and bigger fines.


Poms .....

[Laava]

Meh Poms ....... nuff said really.


They get to go 160 on their motorways. I'd be happy with the open road limit at 160 and bigger fines.


Poms .....

When did that happen? Was 70 mph tops on all the motorways I went on when I lived there.:blink:

[awayatc]

I believe it's Switzerland that fines percentage of income ?

[Scuba_Steve]

Aside from the fact this is a money making scam & nothing more, they're trying to move it severly into the territory of the punishment far exceeding the offence.
One of the reasons the speed scam works is that it costs more to fight it then just to be extorted & move on, if they make it too expensive to be extorted I would expect to see backlash

[Dogboy900]

Part of the reason that open road speeding fines really irritate me, is that if governments REALLY believed speeding kills, and they REALLY want to preserve the lives of their citizens and not just raise funds, would they not enact a law that all vehicles must be speed governed? Surely that would not be very hard to bring in over a few years?

Not that I am in favour of that! It just exposes the revenue agenda a little more and plays down the we must preserve lives view.

[Akzle]

Part of the reason that open road speeding fines really irritate me, is that if governments REALLY believed speeding kills, and they REALLY want to preserve the lives of their citizens and not just raise funds, would they not enact a law that all vehicles must be speed governed? Surely that would not be very hard to bring in over a few years?

Not that I am in favour of that! It just exposes the revenue agenda a little more and plays down the we must preserve lives view.

and lest of course you forget also: that >80% of fatal crashes occur below the posted speed limit.
so ovbiously, statistically, we need to reduce "speed limits" by 80% too.

[Ocean1]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/21/speeding-drivers-could-fined-nearly-double-weekly-income-penalties/


Of interest is the bike-mounted taxation camera.

To be honest I was more interested in the sheer density of doublespeak, almost every paragraph contained self contradictory statements or just pure old fashioned obvious bullshit.

Alt-facts have hit Blighty with a vengeance eh?

[Brian d marge]

Fk they must be well short of money , they will be registering mobility scooter next

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[caspernz]

Must be a follow up to the Brexit master plan. Thought up by the same genius...

[R650R]

Part of the reason that open road speeding fines really irritate me, is that if governments REALLY believed speeding kills, and they REALLY want to preserve the lives of their citizens and not just raise funds, would they not enact a law that all vehicles must be speed governed? Surely that would not be very hard to bring in over a few years?

Not that I am in favour of that! It just exposes the revenue agenda a little more and plays down the we must preserve lives view.

Kinda mostly agree with all that but.... Having driven HGV in UK where ALL trucks (except foriegn and Irish) are limited to 56mph I've seen it actually create more dangerous situations and other problems. On cars it would be even worse.
The problem being there will always be slight differences in speed due to tyre wear etc, this results in someone level pegging you for about 7 miles to overtake, you end up reluctant to brake or button off for danger ahead so you dont lose your precious speed.
People do dangerous last minute braking overtakes into double lane roundabouts as thats the only other factor you;'ve got to sdqueeze distance on someone.
Back to fines though, its NOT revenue gathering. Its a net loss as far a officers with patrol cars if you look at overall costs (police trainign and wages/car running costs, police base costs/court costs/non payment of fines). Cameras prob pay for themselves many times over but even then its an insignificant amount of money in terms of overall govt tax and spending.
I mean come on, how often does the average person pay a speeding fine. I have plenty of 'fun' on the roads over the years and in over 20 years driving i've had one camera and two patrol car fines, well under a thousand dollars. Now how much have i paid in rego and income tax over those same years???? huge difference.

[Dogboy900]

All good points there R650R. I hadn't thought about the overtaking factor. Kind of makes it like a moto 3 race!

[Brian d marge]

Oh yes it's because we are bad people , we should be fined , it's for the good of the community

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[pritch]

I believe it's Switzerland that fines percentage of income ?

That sounds like a fine idea. (No pun intended.)

The most unjust case that springs to mind was Carl, a Harley rider, he was hit and killed by a woman who had crossed double yellow lines to be on his side of the road. In court the Judge decided Carl had contributed to the accident by riding in the outer of his two lanes instead of the inner lane. Of course Carl didn't have a good word to say for himself. Accordingly the Judge fined the woman $1000. As it happened the woman was a doctor, and if she was married to another professional as would be common, that $1000 was the wettest of wet bus tickets.

[Zedder]

Back to fines though, its NOT revenue gathering. Its a net loss as far a officers with patrol cars if you look at overall costs (police trainign and wages/car running costs, police base costs/court costs/non payment of fines). Cameras prob pay for themselves many times over but even then its an insignificant amount of money in terms of overall govt tax and spending.
I mean come on, how often does the average person pay a speeding fine. I have plenty of 'fun' on the roads over the years and in over 20 years driving i've had one camera and two patrol car fines, well under a thousand dollars. Now how much have i paid in rego and income tax over those same years???? huge difference.


Twenty speed cameras earned $25 million in 2015, good earners those things.

[trufflebutter]

''fined nearly double their weekly income.''? Good god that's a lot of money!

[Swoop]

An update...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/speeding-fines-increase-majority-drivers-unaware-changes/

[RDJ]

To be honest I was more interested in the sheer density of doublespeak, almost every paragraph contained self contradictory statements or just pure old fashioned obvious bullshit.

Precisely so. Upvote +++

[buggerit]

Interested to see if reducing traffic police by 1/3 has increased speed related accidents, articles seems to
be lacking in such info, I wonder why?

[Brian d marge]

An update...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/speeding-fines-increase-majority-drivers-unaware-changes/

Write a
Promissory note - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promissory_note)
they screwed u for the money when u were born , THEN they tax u , THEN they fine u

and you aint even a real person. ( in the eyes of the law)

what will it take o sheepie ones .....

[Berries]

Bugger. Might have to keep the old Porsche in the lock up next time I go home instead of the annual timed blat along the the A68.


they screwed u for the money when u were born , THEN they tax u , THEN they fine u

and you aint even a real person. ( in the eyes of the law)

what will it take o sheepie ones .....
I see Akxle has a new log in.

[Brian d marge]

Bugger. Might have to keep the old Porsche in the lock up next time I go home instead of the annual timed blat along the the A68.


I see Akxle has a new log in.

No , he is better looking



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