1st to 2nd Conundrums

[nzrobj]

Last week I went for a motorcycle lesson, also my first time riding but has definitely got me hooked! The instructor was very pleased with how quick I was picking it all up but one thing that he said has confused me quite a bit.
He told me that when going from first to second gear to not do it too quickly or it won't go into second and instead end up in neutral. So my question is, when changing from first to second, do I need to pull the clutch in then wait a moment or when lifting up the gear change to I need to hold it up for longer?:brick:

I'm sure I must sound pretty stupid but once I know what it is I actually need to do to guarantee it changes correctly I'll be set!

[Akzle]

sounds like a gay cunt.
depending on the bike, it's finicky to hit neutral when you want to, let alone a falsey.

if you did, just drop the pawl and kick it again for 2nd.

but you should be able to kick through all the gears without the clutch.


practice, grasshopper.

-edit-
a gay cunt -or- he determined that you're a bit enthusiastic about your inputs. it doesn't take much to change gear, or do anything.
as with any other vehicle, you're there to guide it. you're still at the mercy of physics and gravity and shit.

relax, grasshopper.

[trufflebutter]

Unlikely to be talking about false neutral, that can happen with any gear change up or down. Listen to and appease an instructor, they like it that way and 90% of the time they are on the money. But like anyone, they have their own personal opinion on riders habits good or bad. Possibly thinks you are changing into 2nd before the revs get up?

More of a distance traveled thing (2 mts instead of 10+ mts) rather than the speed in which change gear?

[Scubbo]

I find neutral all the time, usually when the engine is not fully warmed up, or not wearing the normal riding boots --- muscle memory is a bitch to retrain ;)

[Akzle]

I find neutral all the time, usually when the engine is not fully warmed up, or not wearing the normal riding boots --- muscle memory is a bitch to retrain ;)

i'll be on and off a few bikes every week. some (mostly newer) bikes, i could fart into neutral, it's that little force required...
not that i can't fart... just, the velocitation and whatnot.

[Akzle]

and if it's your first time riding, you've a long road ahead... all good things, and all that...

[george formby]

depending on the bike, it's finicky to hit neutral when you want to, let alone a falsey.

.

Hmmm, fair call. I have that bike.


OP, perhaps you were being a bit overzealous with your change up. Some bikes require a firm but not forceful shift from 1st to 2nd, it's not an instant click, more like a momentary wait for all the bits to get aligned before it snicks in. My big bike is like that when cold, I have to get the revs up a bit, momentarily close throttle, clutch in and weight the lever up until it clicks in. If I just tap it up it's mechanically harsh and no guarantee it will select 2nd.:oi-grr:

[Akzle]

weight the lever... until it clicks in

job done .
/thread

[tigertim20]

I find the opposite, Im likely to hit a Neutral if im just pootling down the road, and slowly / gently shift from 1st to second.
Doesnt happen during spirited riding opportunities.

If you didnt hit a neutral, dont worry about it.
If you did, just remember to be firm (but not rough) with your shift from 1 to 2.

depends on the bike youre riding too. bikes are like women, some have very tight boxes that provide lots of feedback and feel, and some have looser, worn-out flogged boxes that make odd noises and are a bit vague.

[nzrobj]

Thanks for all the useful input. I was probably just being too gentle. Will figure that one out next week!

[george formby]

I find the opposite, Im likely to hit a Neutral if im just pootling down the road, and slowly / gently shift from 1st to second.
Doesnt happen during spirited riding opportunities.

If you didnt hit a neutral, dont worry about it.
If you did, just remember to be firm (but not rough) with your shift from 1 to 2.

depends on the bike youre riding too. bikes are like women, some have very tight boxes that provide lots of feedback and feel, and some have looser, worn-out flogged boxes that make odd noises and are a bit vague.


I once rode a bike that had a box like a Wizards sleeve.

[sidecar bob]

This is the first time I have ever heard of the need to treat first to second any differently to any other shift.
It's entirely possible that some of us may consider your instructor to be a noob.

[Akzle]

I once rode a bike that had a box like a Wizards sleeve.

and were your, err, feet, long enough to reach the tighter bit?

[Ocean1]

This is the first time I have ever heard of the need to treat first to second any differently to any other shift.
It's entirely possible that some of us may consider your instructor to be a noob.

You never owned an old Bultaco? Montesa? Maico......

[sidecar bob]

You never owned an old Bultaco? Montesa? Maico......

The antique BMW in my profile pic requires quite some technique too to be fair.

[BMWST?]

You never owned an old Bultaco? Montesa? Maico......

xs750???????

[Ocean1]

The antique BMW in my profile pic requires quite some technique too to be fair.

Doesn't surprise me.

A mate's Bully simply wouldn't change 1st to 2nd without getting either neutral or third two times out of three. He spend hours on it. Eventually re-geared it so he could use 2nd-3rd in a section.

He was a bit unusual, it wasn't normally expected you'd get away with trying to change gear in a section.

[Ocean1]

xs750???????

Never had the pleasure.

[BMWST?]

Not the nicest 1 to 2 change in the business

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[trufflebutter]

''Its important to be aware wrong gearing can happen in traffic too and not to panic if it does''

In this situation, it is always best to gear up rather than click it down. You may end up in a lower gear than what you wanted which brings in a new set of problems.

[caspernz]

''Its important to be aware wrong gearing can happen in traffic too and not to panic if it does''

In this situation, it is always best to gear up rather than click it down. You may end up in a lower gear than what you wanted which brings in a new set of problems.

Oh wow, depends on the variables. I'd sooner be in a lower gear, most bikes will rev to the dark side of the moon, so instead of being bogged in high gear and low revs...

To original poster:
The 1st to 2nd neutral is avoidable by simply being firm with gear selector. If you've just started riding, this problem you'll soon have sorted with practice. Have fun learning to ride.

[Akzle]

New Guy: there's good advices and bad advices, you're not to know.
The green bars and rainbows under names may offer some clues but are not definitive.
Know you this, though:
C*ssina is an A-Grade Fuckwit and you should never take any notice of anything it says ever.

[nzrobj]

New Guy: there's good advices and bad advices, you're not to know.
The green bars and rainbows under names may offer some clues but are not definitive.
Know you this, though:
C*ssina is an A-Grade Fuckwit and you should never take any notice of anything it says ever.

Haha I dunno, I've read a few of your posts Akzle! :rofl:

[caspernz]

Haha I dunno, I've read a few of your posts Akzle! :rofl:

See Akzle, these new guys catch on quick...:killingme

[mojo1444]

If you're learning better buy or ride a Suzuki GN with a gear indicator and never worry about gearing ever again. The gear box is forgiving and the 4th can be used as 3rd and 3rd as second so it has a good range to play with. Change your boots makes a big difference.

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[caseye]

To the OP= Original Poster.
Know this, while some in this thread have made light of ol Arskles post, be advised on the subject of Mrs Cassina. he is 100% correct.
Please do not give this person 1 seconds credence. They seriously have no idea of how to ride a motorcycle and if you ever inadvetantly tried anything they said I'd be surp[rsied if you werent bitten to death by a pack of road running motoryccle chomping rabid dogs.
No bull, please, I implore you, check out every thread this poster has ever been on before you even begin to think you might actually do anyhting they advise. You WON't after that.
Anyway, first to second, if you've ever owned an old 81 Coal Burning TR1 Jam Jar = 928cc Yamaha fully enclosed chain, high performace V twin that the Europeans will kill, for in good condition.(Which my ol girl is)
You will know that the first to second gear change is a real bitch to master. not impossible, just a bitch.
If the bike is cold, she'll not change up most of the time, without being kicked hard.
If shés had a while in top and you suddenly have to motor through town, changing up and down and selecting first and second a lot she'll mess you about.
Just a matter of knowing what to do really,no real need to panic, be gentle with you machine, put it in properly an if it ;doesn't take, do it again and wait for the click.
Go out and enjoy your ride. master it and take no shit from it, it's there to do what you want.
Welcome along to KB.
Do not listen to anyting IT says.
If unsure what IT , is, PM me.

[Akzle]

I learnt to ride a bike without a gear indicator and while they would help you find neutral quicker at the lights they could be a dangerous distraction looking at them once you were on the move. Certainly not a must have in my opinion for a beginner. ABS could very well be though.

yeah. fuck having anything like lights on a dash to distract and/or panic you. might as well get rid of your speedo and tach too, just to make sure you're 100% focused.

[Akzle]

yeah, shame caseye, your just jealous of c*ssina. :bleh:

[Akzle]

Haha I dunno, I've read a few of your posts Akzle! :rofl:

then you're well under way to enlightenment, grasshopper!

[Akzle]

See Akzle, these new guys catch on quick...:killingme

i have m0ar rainbows than you :bleh:

[nzrobj]

You guys certainly are entertaining - thankfully I can tell who is being a complete idiot and who is not.. i think

[nzrobj]

If unsure what IT , is, PM me.

How many years does it take to have enough site involvement to send or reply to a personal message anyway? :rofl:

[caspernz]

i have m0ar rainbows than you :bleh:

But then you smoke a better crop than me...:innocent:


You guys certainly are entertaining - thankfully I can tell who is being a complete idiot and who is not.. i think

Are you sure though, some of us were only released from the asylum recently :shutup::blink::eek:


How many years does it take to have enough site involvement to send or reply to a personal message anyway? :rofl:

Just keep posting in the forum, once your post count reaches a magic number you can do PMs. Can't remember what the number is nowadays, thought it was 20 at one stage?? Anybody to correct me?

[nzrobj]

Are you sure though, some of us were only released from the asylum recently :shutup::blink::eek:

Haha well maybe I'll just join in:lol:

[caspernz]

Haha well maybe I'll just join in:lol:

This place is like any other forum, some good, some bad. Some of us visit daily, others periodically at weird intervals. Feel free to ask questions, but also feel free to use the search function. You'll find some members get snarky when a newbie asks the same question that 467 people have asked in the past year alone, hence the search function prompt.

Probably the best advice you'll get is to do proper training course for your licence, less painful than learning the hard way. Speed isn't what impresses, better to have sound skills. Oh and remember to have fun :banana:

[nzrobj]

This place is like any other forum, some good, some bad. Some of us visit daily, others periodically at weird intervals. Feel free to ask questions, but also feel free to use the search function. You'll find some members get snarky when a newbie asks the same question that 467 people have asked in the past year alone, hence the search function prompt.

Probably the best advice you'll get is to do proper training course for your licence, less painful than learning the hard way. Speed isn't what impresses, better to have sound skills. Oh and remember to have fun :banana:

Good advice caspernz. I am doing a proper training course through the Dunedin Driving School and the instructor seemed knowledgeable. I'm sure it was just me being a newbie to motorcycles. I completely agree about having sound skills, as opposed to flying around like an idiot.


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[caspernz]

Good advice caspernz. I am doing a proper training course through the Dunedin Driving School and the instructor seemed knowledgeable. I'm sure it was just me being a newbie to motorcycles. I completely agree about having sound skills, as opposed to flying around like an idiot.


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Good stuff chap, sounds like you've got it sussed.

[caseye]

But on this particular topic you actually agree with me as we have both said he needs to kick the gear lever harder and it will be harder to shift if the motor is cold which was actually posted by another poster before both of us. Maybe you are just jealous I posted the advise before you did.

Really?
Could have sworn I said."Just a matter of knowing what to do really,no real need to panic, be gentle with you machine, put it in properly an if it ;doesn't take, do it again and wait for the click.
Go out and enjoy your ride. master it and take no shit from it, it's there to do what you want"
I did previously say. "If the bike is cold, she'll not change up most of the time, without being kicked hard".
Context is important.
So you see, I have not agreed with you at all.
Now , go fuck yourself.

[Akzle]

Speed isn't what impresses,

quite right. quite.




...it's fucken sikk wheelies, that will pull more pussy than you can shake your stick at

[nzrobj]

[QUOTE=caspernz;1131043193]Speed isn't what impresses, /QUOTE]

quite right. quite.




...it's fucken sikk wheelies, that will pull more pussy than you can shake your stick at

On your invisibike?


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[Akzle]

. I completely agree about having sound skills, as opposed to flying around like an idiot.



your one step ahead of cassina already

[Moi]

...Speed isn't what impresses...


quite right. quite.

...it's fucken sikk wheelies, that will pull more pussy than you can shake your stick at




On your invisibike?


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[caspernz]

...it's fucken sikk wheelies, that will pull more pussy than you can shake your stick at


[QUOTE=Akzle;1131043214]

On your invisibike?



Geez Akzle, I like this new fella...

[bogan]

Site disclaimer for newbies.


One guy who teaches on here says it can take up to 2 years to learn to ride at his school to an advanced level which in my opinion is nuts.

Don't listen to anything this pillock says, on the off chance it does say something worth listening to, someone else will give you the same advice in a much more logical fashion anyway.

[george formby]

I'm pretty sure you're up with the play already op and has been said ad infinitum caution needs to be exercised with how much weight you give to someones advise on the nets.

In a nut shell. When you were born you could shit, piss and scream. Everything else you can do now had to be learned.

Oh, kicking a bike into gear is right up their with kicking your Mom.

Common reasons for clunky gear changes :-

Rider error

Clutch adjustment

Chain adjustment

That's how they made them

It's knackered

[nzrobj]

One guy who teaches on here says it can take up to 2 years to learn to ride at his school to an advanced level which in my opinion is nuts. When he and a guy from another school both answered the same question on here about cornering I found the guy that said it takes 2 years to ride at his school gave the best answer of the 2 though which did appear to reflect the way I rode anyway.

Two years to learn how to ride is an awful long time and a lot of money by the sounds of it! What I will say is that I do believe that after two years of riding one would still be learning and aquiring better skills.. even after many years this would still be the case, as with any other skill you practice.

[george formby]

Two years to learn how to ride is an awful long time and a lot of money by the sounds of it! What I will say is that I do believe that after two years of riding one would still be learning and aquiring better skills.. even after many years this would still be the case, as with any other skill you practice.

Indeed, learning never stops. It never gets cheaper either. lol.

If memory serves this 2 year thing was about reaching the loftiest of IAM pinnacles, which is very highly skilled indeed. Don't rely too much on my memory..

[FJRider]

You will get from this site that everyone is into riding schools except me because they were not around in my day.

You're still alive (the gods must be smiling on you) and still riding (that you're actually riding is yet to be confirmed by reliable witnesses) so you are still eligible to take a course on your little 750 ... :killingme


I actually only had one fall that could have been put down to not going to riding school and that was coming off when braking on the downhill of a bridge where it was wet and I may have hit a white line on the road or applied too much front brake.

Stuff like that is (and always has been) learned in the bitter and tough course of experience ... <_<


One guy who teaches on here says it can take up to 2 years to learn to ride at his school to an advanced level which in my opinion is nuts. When he and a guy from another school both answered the same question on here about cornering

Most Riding schools have a series of courses that require riders to take in stages. With an assessment prior to courses being started. this ensures rides do not claim to be better than their actual skill level. Many years of holding a motorcycle license does not always equate to a higher skill level ... than someone just riding for a year or so.
Most schools require the rider to practice the skills learned in the first course before progressing to the next course level. Two years to get to the advanced level ... is actually quite quick ... in the great scheme of things ... <_<


I found the guy that said it takes 2 years to ride at his school gave the best answer of the 2 though which did appear to reflect the way I rode anyway.

Considering ...

1. The number of (admitted) crashes you've had and reasons for.

2. The "Advice" you've posted for new riders.

3. Your conclusions/reflection from the above.

4. The fact that you have never taken a riding course.

I would be sure (read categorically state) that the "Way YOU ride" would not reflect (or compare) with anything a Riding Instructor would expect to see with a rider ... after attending an advanced riding course.


So if you are keen to take the riding school approach and you get to a point where what they are teaching no longer fits what you want to learn just change schools.

Remember ... Riding Schools seldom give refunds if you fail to show up for the courses.

What you WANT to learn ... and what you NEED to learn ... should not be up to the student to decide.

If you think you know better that the riding instructors ... don't take ANY riding courses ... OH WAIT ... :eek:


An important thing to keep in mind is that no matter how long you have been to riding school for shit can still happen to you on the road

You better believe it sunshine ... but if you use your eyes and brain ... you can avoid most of it. Some avoid all of it ...


namely from other drivers that screw up not looking etc

You need to look too. What you need to look for is taught in the first learner courses given to new license holders. Having a full class 6 license does not mean you know all that is required ... to ride safely on the road.


... and whether you get time to swerve or brake to avoid them just comes down to luck.

You make your own luck by looking ... and thinking about what you see.

Obeying speed limits and having "Right of way" does not give you a safety bubble around you.

[nzrobj]

That would depend on how often you ride and where you ride. To learn the quickest would mean making sure you ride frequently on a whole mixture of roads and in different weather. To compliment your practical lessons there are a lot of video tutorials on the net. When I learnt to ski I used a mixture of learning methods: gut feeling, practical lesson, video tutorials and books.

That's very true, someone who only ever rides on a motorway may not have the skills needed for riding in peak hour traffic in the middle of the city! I do plan on both a lot of city riding as well as getting out on the open road!! I have been having a nosey at quite a few videos on youtube to get a step up on things.

[jasonu]

It could be a combination of not holding the clutch lever in long enough and not kicking the gear lever up hard enough. I would support what another poster said that your gear change may work smoother when your motor has warmed up. Its not just beginners that have that problem as some of us experienced riders can have issues with getting in the wrong gear from time to time especially when we buy a new bike it can often take a little while to get used to a new bike's gearing. Its important to be aware wrong gearing can happen in traffic too and not to panic if it does. The more you get used to changing gear the easier you will find it to get back into the right gear if you have got in the wrong one. One thing that can happen is you can find yourself not getting into neutral as you come to a stop and its a matter of pulling in the clutch and kicking the gear lever a few times until the netral light comes on while remaining stopped. Good Luck.

Don't take any notice of this stupid bint.

[nzrobj]

I dont remember what variety of roads I went on when I was learning other than it was mostly city commuting. The best road in the country for learning long straight and twisty hill riding is SH 1 from Waipara to Kaikoura (if open) due to the absence of traffic as a result of the earthquake. That stretch of road would be ideal for any ChCh based riding school to give long distance riding lessons on. On the open road I found the most difficult thing was strong side winds buffeting me around as a beginner but I found out only after moving up to a 750 did side winds become much less of an issue. What sort of bike have you got/going to get?

Well dunedin has plenty of windy hilly roads to ride on!! I'm looking at getting an R3


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[Moi]

... If memory serves this 2 year thing was about reaching the loftiest of IAM pinnacles, which is very highly skilled indeed. Don't rely too much on my memory..

Nothing wrong with your memory...

it was Gremlin in the New crash study thread who said: "... very few come close to meeting the required standard without 6-24 months of practise, feedback and more practise... " [see post 182] when he was discussing the time taken to achieve the level of riding required to pass the IAM advanced standard.

So you can keep to having a glass or two of something each night... it's not killing your little grey cells...:drinknsin

[eldog]

On the open road I found the most difficult thing was strong side winds buffeting me around as a beginner but I found out only after moving up to a 750 did side winds become much less of an issue.

What do you put the difference down to.

[caspernz]

Nothing wrong with your memory...

it was Gremlin in the New crash study thread who said: "... very few come close to meeting the required standard without 6-24 months of practise, feedback and more practise... " [see post 182] when he was discussing the time taken to achieve the level of riding required to pass the IAM advanced standard.

So you can keep to having a glass or two of something each night... it's not killing your little grey cells...:drinknsin

Yes Gremlin is correct in broad terms. To achieve the IAM Advanced Rider standard can take 6-24 months. Here's some variables; it depends on the riders' initial standard, how well they can take onboard the Roadcraft method, the frequency a rider can get together with an observer, to name the main ones.

So in reality IAM won't get into coaching a rider with very limited experience. All the necessary info can be found on the website http://iam.org.nz/motorcycles/ for those who are interested.

[nzrobj]

So in reality IAM won't get into coaching a rider with very limited experience. All the necessary info can be found on the website http://iam.org.nz/motorcycles/ for those who are interested.

I didn't even know that IAM was until you posted the link so thanks for that.

[george formby]

Thanks Moi. KB is so confusing at the moment, I'm still trying to figure out which gear I need to be in to successfully back a 1200 GS into a wall. And why?

[nzrobj]

Just had a look at the R3 and Yamaha also make a MT03 which has a higher up riding position which I have always preferred as it gives you better periferal vision without getting sore wrists. The more low down riding position of the R3 could possibly give you better protection from wind buffeting. So pros and cons with both. I see some manufacturers are now making 300cc adventure bikes which allow you to handle rough roads/gravel more confidently but they have a taller seat height than a road bike. Maybe demo the others as well.

Some good points - though I'm not sure how many dealers are willing to let learners out on their bikes!! :laugh:

[caspernz]

I didn't even know that IAM was until you posted the link so thanks for that.

In practical terms, once you've done the Rideforever series of courses, think of IAM as the next step beyond that.


Thanks Moi. KB is so confusing at the moment, I'm still trying to figure out which gear I need to be in to successfully back a 1200 GS into a wall. And why?

And I'm worrying about which hand to wave with while I'm doing it...:confused:

[FJRider]

So after all that ramble your riding school did not teach you wet weather handling and braking and you found out about that the same way I did? You can learn that on some of the Roadcraft Nottingham tutorials on Youtube. I wonder what else they did not teach you. Chances are you know no more than me but have just been luckier accident wise.

I learned a lot of wet weather riding do's and don'ts ... on my second day of holding a motorcycle license. Invercargill mid winter is not always a fun time to ride.

[FJRider]

... I'm not sure how many dealers are willing to let learners out on their bikes!! :laugh:

If they advertise them as LAM's compliant ... they would surely hope some will ask for a test ride ... <_<

[nzrobj]

If they advertise them as LAM's compliant ... they would surely hope some will ask for a test ride ... <_<

Too true:facepalm:

[Moi]

Thanks Moi. KB is so confusing at the moment, I'm still trying to figure out which gear I need to be in to successfully back a 1200 GS into a wall. And why?

Exactly... why would you want to back a GS into a wall?

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[FJRider]

Well dunedin has plenty of windy hilly roads to ride on!! I'm looking at getting an R3


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Mosgiel - Kyeburn - Palmerston - Macraes Flat - Hyde and home will give you all the hill work practice you will ever need. (Try it on calm days first)

On mostly deserted roads. And not state highway one.

[Moi]

... And I'm worrying about which hand to wave with while I'm doing it...:confused:

Here's a suggestion...

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[nzrobj]

Mosgiel - Kyeburn - Palmerston - Macraes Flat - Hyde and home will give you all the hill work practice you will ever need. (Try it on calm days first)

On mostly deserted roads. And not state highway one.

Sounds like a good route! I'll keep that one in mind.

[Akzle]

I didn't even know that IAM was until you posted the link so thanks for that.

a bunch of tossers. (sorry everone who's IAM and not a tosser... if you exist)

my understanding it was based on the uk police roadcrafterty. all well and fucking good, but misses a huge swag of point.

ie. riding without a WOF or license is not inherently dangerous. but fucked if they'll accept that.

also, (and i'll go all c*ssina here, because i have no experience with them whatever, but sure as fuck have to comment), but it seems like a box-ticking exercise. ie do-everything-by-the-book-and-we'll-give-you-certificates-and-blowjobs.

IE, it's NCEA for riding. it's the process, not the result, so as long as you follow the script: your cool.

silly old white folk.

[FJRider]

3 things a much heavier weight a longer wheelbase and a lower seating position than the trail bikes I used to own. The best bikes for stability in side winds would be 300kg+ crusiers like Harleys but the trade off is they dont have the cornering ability of other bikes.

So ... in your opinion ... a fully fueled Yamaha FJ1200 with two fully loaded side panniers AND a full top-box ... two up ... would be an excellent bike in strong wind conditions ... ??? :confused:

[FJRider]

Sounds like a good route! I'll keep that one in mind.

You can even stop in Hyde twice for coffee (pose) without needing to get too far off the route. Remember ... if it's blowing a gale at Outram ... go somewhere else.

[nzrobj]

You can even stop in Hyde twice for coffee (pose) without needing to get too far off the route. Remember ... if it's blowing a gale at Outram ... go somewhere else.

Yes I can imagine it can get quite gusty through there.


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[FJRider]

Yes I can imagine it can get quite gusty through there.


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One night .... heading towards Dunedin from Middlemarch (in the dark) I took a right hand sweeper leaning to the left.

[nzrobj]

One night .... heading towards Dunedin from Middlemarch (in the dark) I took a right hand sweeper leaning to the left.

Shit haha clearly someone had too many baked beans


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[Katman]

Now , go fuck yourself.


Don't listen to anything this pillock says


Don't take any notice of this stupid bint.

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[Voltaire]

New Guy: there's good advices and bad advices, you're not to know.
The green bars and rainbows under names may offer some clues but are not definitive.
Know you this, though:
C*ssina is an A-Grade Fuckwit and you should never take any notice of anything it says ever.

you two could have a race

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:woohoo::woohoo::innocent:

[george formby]

Oh no, things are really bad, I have double vision.:doctor:

[Laava]

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Oh no, things are really bad, I have double vision.:doctor:

You think thats bad, check out Katmans family tree!

[george formby]

You think thats bad, check out Katmans family tree!

What, they are still living in trees? No! The missing link?

That pic is a bit too felchy for my liking.

[Ocean1]

The most highly skilled rider I have seen is a BMW stunt rider who is able to aim at a wall, do a stoppie and flick the tail of the bike around making a 90degree turn. I bet though he would have come off a few times before perfecting that. Maybe thats something for all the "KNOW ALLS" on this site to try if they want something new to learn. They will need to be able to do it on a BMW 1200GS too not a skinny trials bike which are often used for this sort of stunt riding.


Thanks Moi. KB is so confusing at the moment, I'm still trying to figure out which gear I need to be in to successfully back a 1200 GS into a wall. And why?

Don't think it matters does it? Apparently the only thing that does is a large dollop of luck...

[Ocean1]

Invercargill mid winter is not always a fun time to ride.

Fucking blouse.

[george formby]

Don't think it matters does it? Apparently the only thing that does is a large dollop of luck...

I have been reliably informed that the gear I'm looking for is reverse, luckily, I know where a GL 1800 is parked... It's being used as a shelter belt for a Kiwifruit orchard.

[Ocean1]

I have been reliably informed that the gear I'm looking for is reverse, luckily, I know where a GL 1800 is parked... It's being used as a shelter belt for a Kiwifruit orchard.

Luck AND a GL1800 eh?

I knew it wasn't my fault I couldn't stop turn the KT...

[FJRider]

... Take a big cruiser for a test ride in a strong wind to compare with your FJ.

I would prefer you take a 300kg +HD for a ride in strong wind and let us know how it went ...

[pritch]

Two years to learn how to ride is an awful long time and a lot of money by the sounds of it! What I will say is that I do believe that after two years of riding one would still be learning and aquiring better skills.. even after many years this would still be the case, as with any other skill you practice.

Don't believe anything Cassina says, almost without exception it is misinformed nonsense.

There are riding schools that teach basic and slightly more advanced techniques. You can probably get recommendations for where you live from people here.

When you have done those courses and have been riding for a while there is the Institute of Advanced Motorcyclists which specialises in refining the riding skills of experienced riders and which could take two years, but you are probably several years away from even starting that.

There are a couple of IAM assessors hereabout and it seems Cassina has confused their programme with a riding school.

[onearmedbandit]

By attaining outstanding situational awareness and other skills taught by IAM, you will be able to deal with both planned and unplanned events in a confident and skilled manner. Who wouldn’t want to increase their enjoyment of riding on 2 wheels, raising skills and reduce the risk of coming to serious harm all at the same time?

Ooooooo I know who....

[onearmedbandit]

Everyone on here just loves saying there is always time to swerve or brake to avoid the screwups of others. Well in one of my accidents it would not have mattered as I was coming to the end of a one way bridge in my car and had just come off the end of it and bang I was hit by a car that did not give way. I did not see them coming as I was in a low down sportish car and there was a bend at the end of the bridge. Now lets assume I was on a bike or 4WD sitting much higher up I may have seen them prior to the moment of impact and I would have been still on the bridge at that time. With bridge railings each side of me there would be no where to swerve and the effect of any braking would be questionable due to the driver of the car thinking they were on a 2 way bridge.

I would have been killed if I was on a bike as I saw things but I would love to know if I had been an advanced IAM certified rider how I would have avoided the car based on their teachings?

No one on here has ever said there is always time to take evasive action. But having the mindset that there is is far better than just leaving it up to luck.

There are to me certain situations that require very cautious riding. For example if I see a camper van on the side of an open road I'll slow right down to a speed that means if the driver suddenly pulls out I can stop safely. If it's a normal vehicle I'll still slow down and take a wide berth. Better to cost myself a few seconds than risk ending up in an accident.

With regards to your crash it's hard to comment without knowing all the particulars. And while I'm no IAM instructor I have done a defensive driving course. A big component of that course was identifying hazards. 3 things stand out to me from what you said. Firstly the one lane bridge. This leaves no escape path so caution is advised. Secondly is the bend at the end of said bridge, reducing your visibility for oncoming traffic and also reducing theirs for any traffic on the bridge. Thirdly your claim of reduced visibility due to being in a low sports car. All these things combined would suggest to me that in that situation approaching with extreme caution is advised. However there may well have been nothing you could've done.

Do you know the road off the Summit Road that leads to the Sugar Loaf? If so you'll know the very narrow width of the road and the blind right hand bend. I've met cars head on at the exact point but because I've negotiated that piece of road with extreme caution I've not had an accident there at all. The potential for accident there though is very high.

Yes I know life is full of risks. 20yrs later I'm still paying for a risk I took. Paying for it in extreme chronic pain most people will never experience for even a minute. Paying for it by only having the use of one arm as well. So I'm well versed in risk. Now some would observe my riding on occassion and say I'm reckless, I'm not going to argue that. But equally so there are times where I know I need to proceed with extreme caution.

[onearmedbandit]

Firstly many on here have said in reply to me there is always time to avoid the screwups of others and going to a riding school would teach that. You may just have not seen their replies to me and there have been plenty saying the same thing.

I'll have to have a look back through but what you're saying would surprise me if true.


Those people have just been lucky in my opinion in that the screwup of the other motorist has happened slow enough.

While there is always an element of luck, we can help make our own luck. And sorry but you can not categorically state that they were 'just' lucky.


The bend was at the end of the bridge so I knew right at the start I was not at fault which was confirmed by a witness plus I was in a line of traffic so I was not hooning

Sure you may not have been at fault but your actions may have contributred.


After the impact I checked my headlight switch was on and it was, so even if the driver coming towards my car did not see it due to the bridge railings he should have seen the glare of my headlights even though it was daylight.

Very hard to see headlight glare during daytime.


Yes I know the Summit Rd and know there is no room for error there/

Yes that whole road can be a bit tight but I was referring to the road leading up to the Sugar Loaf.



As you are in ChCh the bridge where I was hit was the Huranui Bridge SH1 about 15min south of Cheviot if you know it?
I actually went over it on my bike a few months ago and felt it would be now a lot safer with less traffic up that way. I checked before i got on it the other end of the bridge was clear of approaching cars but even then if someone has no intention of giving way you would be on the bridge already when you first see them. I note last year there was a story in the paper about residents up that way wanting that bridge to be 2 lanes. So there has been far more people coming to grief on it than just me.

Yes I know it. In my book one lane bridges really have no place on a State Highway.


I perhaps took more risks when I was younger maybe having more flickable bikes back then and just got lucky unlike you.

The only thing unlucky about my accident was the way I landed. The rest of it was purely my fault. Going too fast for my skill level.



I hope you can understand now after my accident experience why I do not see riding school training as being the safety solution others think they are.

I'd understand your position better if you had actually attended a riding school and could hand-on-heart state afterwards that you learned nothing from it that could help to keep you safe on the roads. As you actually haven't I don't feel you can comment on it.

[Mike.Gayner]

Why is every thread involving cassina such a garbage pile? What do you idiots keep responding to him/her? Cassina is obviously either a masterful troll (and you're all falling for it) or a mentally deranged moron, who obviously wouldn't be worth debating.

[Mike.Gayner]

If I was a moron don't you think it would make them equally moronic wasting their time responding?

Yep.
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[onearmedbandit]

Why is every thread involving cassina such a garbage pile? What do you idiots keep responding to him/her? Cassina is obviously either a masterful troll (and you're all falling for it) or a mentally deranged moron, who obviously wouldn't be worth debating.

It's mildy entertaining and educational (although not for the reason cassina would think).

[Jeeper]

I must say moderation on this forum is fairly lax, compared to just about every other forum I am (and have been) on since last century. It is indeed educational, but for all the wrong reasons.

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[trufflebutter]

I must say moderation on this forum is fairly lax, compared to just about every other forum I am (and have been) on since last century. It is indeed educational, but for all the wrong reasons.

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It is, years ago some often grizzled that the site was over moderator'd. There seems to be only four Mods operating for some time now.
Gremlin/Caseye/PrincessBandit and OAB. The other ten on the list no longer visit.

Bob was last here in 2015
Cave weta has not posted since Xmas 2014
Clmintie still logs in
Delphinus last posted in 2013.
FilthyLuka even worse at 2011.
Gav not so bad 2016
Hitcher (too busy bus driving I suspect) Feb this year.
Jantar = May 2016, almost a year.
Klingon has been away since 2012
Krayy March of this year.

It is possible that Clmntie/Gav and Krayy still Mod, but I doubt it.

[nzrobj]

Is anyone else here content just sitting there reading these fellas going back and forth?


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[nzrobj]

To sum up my original post - I passed my basic skills test today and funnily enough not one issue changing from first to second!

Certainly was paranoid my problem would persist but nope.


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[Jeeper]

To sum up my original post - I passed my basic skills test today and funnily enough not one issue changing from first to second!

Certainly was paranoid my problem would persist but nope.


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Great, congratulations.

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[Ocean1]

To sum up my original post - I passed my basic skills test today and funnily enough not one issue changing from first to second!

Certainly was paranoid my problem would persist but nope.


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Someone may have mentioned, (can't be fucked looking) but you can get shifting issues if the shift lever isn't adjusted right for you.

It should be a finger's thickness off your boot when you're sitting naturally. It only has to be a little high to cause issues.

[caseye]

Congrats on the passand of course on getting the shifting right.

[Moi]

Well done!


Now, on with the dance...

[Akzle]

To sum up my original post - I passed my basic skills test today and funnily enough not one issue changing from first to second!

Certainly was paranoid my problem would persist but nope.


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chill winstan.


shit's all G yo.

[nzrobj]

Great, congratulations.

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Congrats on the passand of course on getting the shifting right.


Well done!


Now, on with the dance...

Thanks guys

[caspernz]

To sum up my original post - I passed my basic skills test today and funnily enough not one issue changing from first to second!

Certainly was paranoid my problem would persist but nope.

Congrats chap, it all gets easier with practice and time :niceone:

[tigertim20]

Good job passing the BHS.

I see you are very keen on the r3, but try a few other bikes out as well.

Living in dunedin, some of the more entertaining rides are ones where the R3 will be a little asthmatic on the open road, i.e. ig route,, middlemarch loop, taieri / waihola loop and so on, places that are open road, and hilly.

I have three friends who bought the LAMS MT-07 recently, and all three rave about it. One of them is an experienced rider, and the other two are new to road riding in their 30's and 40's. Just thought you should think about putting it on your list of bikes to try out.

MCR are usually pretty good at sorting out test rides for stuff they have in stock, but i would suggest that whatever you test ride, do a decent ride on it - i.e. dont jut cruise it through town, take it on the taieri waihola loop or something, so you can see what it will be like on the open road. Easy to get excited about a bike riding it around town, then you realise it just doesnt have the go you expected when you start doing longer fun rides once you have a couple months experience under your belt.

[nzrobj]

Good job passing the BHS.

I see you are very keen on the r3, but try a few other bikes out as well.

Living in dunedin, some of the more entertaining rides are ones where the R3 will be a little asthmatic on the open road, i.e. ig route,, middlemarch loop, taieri / waihola loop and so on, places that are open road, and hilly.

I have three friends who bought the LAMS MT-07 recently, and all three rave about it. One of them is an experienced rider, and the other two are new to road riding in their 30's and 40's. Just thought you should think about putting it on your list of bikes to try out.

MCR are usually pretty good at sorting out test rides for stuff they have in stock, but i would suggest that whatever you test ride, do a decent ride on it - i.e. dont jut cruise it through town, take it on the taieri waihola loop or something, so you can see what it will be like on the open road. Easy to get excited about a bike riding it around town, then you realise it just doesnt have the go you expected when you start doing longer fun rides once you have a couple months experience under your belt.

Thankyou and yes I will definitely do that, I was wondering about something in the 600 range so will do some research on this bike!

[nzrobj]

take it on the taieri waihola loop

Also what is the taieri waihola loop I keep hearing about?

[tigertim20]

Also what is the taieri waihola loop I keep hearing about?

ride from dunedin, through green island, and out to taeiri mouth along the coast, then over the hill to waihola, and back via henly. Done in either direction is a nice short ride.

[bagpiper]

Yes,well done. I never did a test back then. When went for my licence the Traffic Officer watched me ride down the street and turn around.... i think i even gave a stop signal by hand. This is 1972.