Ride Forever ACC

[lowededwookie]

Has anyone done the Ride Forever courses supported by ACC?

I've been working for DX Mail for the past 8 or 9 months now and they've put me on two so far.

I seriously recommend these courses to riders old and new. Admittedly I get them for free but the cost is about $70 for the Silver and Gold courses.

It's always good to get reminders and that's what these courses are for.

https://www.rideforever.co.nz

I'm not affiliated with them just so you know but I will promote them for the good of all riders. The only downside of the courses is it doesn't reduce the ACC premiums on our registrations. :(

[george formby]

Yup, dunnem, well, silver and gold. Silver was a recap but a slightly personalised Gold day was probably one of the best $50 I have ever spent.

[russd7]

two gold, will do another probably next year

[Jeeper]

I've done the Bronze course. Great training opportunity for a new rider.

[AllanB]

NAH - do a course then I have no excuse (officer) for my riding!

[nzspokes]

The reason why ACC wont reduce premiums for those who have been to riding school is because they know shit can still happen to you irrespective of whether you have been to riding school or not. Going to riding school at best is only going to teach you how to ride safely yourself and when that is mastered you still have to contend with the screw ups of others and no riding school is going to teach you how to avoid all of them. Good Luck.

You obviously have not worked out the the ACC courses are based on Roadcraft.

[caspernz]

You obviously have not worked out the the ACC courses are based on Roadcraft.

Oh no, you mean the avalanche of bullshit from the one we no longer name just continues? :calm:

[Gremlin]

The response I gave was a possible reason and the most likely one why ACC will not reduce premiums for those who get a riding school certificate. You answer to me appears to have no relationship to my response. If you do know why ACC will not reduce premiums for those who get a riding school certificate just say exactly that.
First, how do you qualify "riding schools". How much, what level, gets what discount. Don't bother answering, ACC will increase premiums before they decrease them.

No, you do the courses because you want to be a safer rider.

[Zedder]

No, you do the courses because you want to be a safer rider.


Very much so. It's also great that some insurance companies offer discounts or reimbursement, plus other benefits, to customers who complete a Ride Forever course.

[nzrobj]

No, you do the courses because you want to be a safer rider.

I couldn't agree more with this

[johcar]

The response I gave was a possible reason and the most likely one why ACC will not reduce premiums for those who get a riding school certificate. You answer to me appears to have no relationship to my response. If you do know why ACC will not reduce premiums for those who get a riding school certificate just say exactly that.
Who gives a fat rat's arse if premiums are reduced or not.

Riding Schools/courses like this one teach how to ride well - a practical Defensive Driving course, which is in the interests of all riders and their health/safety.

Anyone taking responsibility for their own actions will accept that these courses are a good thing. At least some of our ridiculous levies are being put to good use!

If I have to pay ACC through the nose because my chosen hobby is a risky one because of (mostly) other idiots on the road, so be it.

That's the choice I make every time I start the bike.

I've been riding for 40+ years, with only some minor offs at low speeds (all my fault) many years ago.

Even after all these years I know that every ride is different and could have a negative outcome, despite my experience and the input of Ride Forever affiliated courses or similar.

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[johcar]

It was actually poster 1 that wished for lower premiums for those getting a riding school certificate. My personal view is that there should only be higher premiums for those who cause
crashes and I know you dont believe this but some of us who have not been to riding school also have a history of not causing crashes.
ACC is a no-fault insurance scheme where the levies are imposed on the sections of society judged to be most at risk. Because it's no-fault scheme, your view is not applicable

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[OddDuck]

Did the gold on the weekend, reckon it was the best $50 spent on riding in a long, long time.

Good on the OP for posting this.

[awayatc]

Yes did the gold in New plymouth..

Probably on same day as op actually.

Great to focus on your roadcraft for the day.
Everybody should do one every now and again.

Bloody bloody...the bitch that shall not be named on here anymore doesn't seem to shut up easy..

[Jeeper]

Just in case anyone is confused. Premiums, i.e. levies, are directly proportional to the perceived risk exposure. The higher the risk, the higher the premium. Works the same with private insurance when you insure any asset. Works the same for cars with lower safety rating vs higher safety rating (rating is of the car, not the driver).

As for anyone doing the course and expecting any reduction in levies, actually the subsidy paid to the instructor with mimimal charges to the trainee should be seen as the indirect reimbursement. We pay ACC, and they pay instructors to fund our training.

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[Blackbird]

No, you do the courses because you want to be a safer rider.

Absolutely :2thumbsup

As a matter of interest, my insurer (Protecta) gave me a discount for passing my IAM Advanced Test and a further discount when I passed my Observer Test. That's presumably on the basis of lower risk for those who upskill :innocent: . There are several others who do this too.

Nice to see a tangible reward although the real reward is safely extending my riding time as Gremlin correctly states.

[caseye]

Absolutely :2thumbsup

As a matter of interest, my insurer (Protecta) gave me a discount for passing my IAM Advanced Test and a further discount when I passed my Observer Test. That's presumably on the basis of lower risk for those who upskill :innocent: . There are several others who do this too.

Nice to see a tangible reward although the real reward is safely extending my riding time as Gremlin correctly states.

On ya guys, it's got to be the only way to travel. Learn more, become better at it, get the reward for doing so, gives the lie to it's comments earlier, if you ask me.

[Moi]

... you do the courses because you want to be a safer rider.


Absolutely...

Safer rider? Better rider? Or better and safer rider?

I'd also suggest, "reflective" rider... what did I do well? what do I need to think about? that was a wee surprise!

Having someone else critique your riding is never a bad thing...

[James Deuce]

So I've booked two of these courses in the last 5 years only to have a no show from the instructor both times without letting me know it had been cancelled due to low numbers.

Not well disposed to the concept.

As a consequence, I am after an offensive riding course and also a course on how to stop your thong from riding up when you assume a racer's crouch. Will pay in beer.

[Ulsterkiwi]

So I've booked two of these courses in the last 5 years only to have a no show from the instructor both times without letting me know it had been cancelled due to low numbers.

Not well disposed to the concept.

As a consequence, I am after an offensive riding course and also a course on how to stop your thong from riding up when you assume a racer's crouch. Will pay in beer.

I can guess who that was.
Do not judge the message by the messenger. There are providers who will run the RF courses for a total of one participant. For you, Two Bald Bikers. (there are four of them and they are not all bald but hey, details)

Offensive riding? Hmmm I see examples of that on a daily basis, simple observation and a wee bit extra "I am a thorough-going prick" in your attitude and she'll be right.
Wear a bigger thong.

[James Deuce]

I can guess who that was.
Do not judge the message by the messenger. There are providers who will run the RF courses for a total of one participant. For you, Two Bald Bikers. (there are four of them and they are not all bald but hey, details)

Offensive riding? Hmmm I see examples of that on a daily basis, simple observation and a wee bit extra "I am a thorough-going prick" in your attitude and she'll be right.
Wear a bigger thong.

:niceone:

I shall bother the bald ones!

Thank you for the constructive answer.

Off to get a bigger thong...

[Blackbird]

:niceone:

Off to get a bigger thong...

Is that called arse-covering Jim?

[James Deuce]

Is that called arse-covering Jim?
More specifically, un-arse-covering

[Ocean1]

Two Bald Bikers. (there are four of them and they are not all bald but hey, details)

The boy did a couple of stints with them. Seemed impressed.

He decided to indulged in a bit of impromptu cross country work, so I sent him back for come corrective tweaks.


Offensive riding? Hmmm I see examples of that on a daily basis, simple observation and a wee bit extra "I am a thorough-going prick" in your attitude and she'll be right.

I wonder if the sort of offense J was envisaging might not involve a slightly different approach...

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[StoneY]

The boy did a couple of stints with them. Seemed impressed.

He decided to indulged in a bit of impromptu cross country work, so I sent him back for come corrective tweaks.



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I enjoyed my course with them, learned LOTS

[rastuscat]

When we deliver the R4E courses we get folk to fill in a form so ACC can validate their return on investment.

At present there are over 6000 people on their database.

Those 6000 folk are about half as likely to be involved in injury crashes as the average motorcyclist.

Given that those 6000 ride in the same environment as everyone else, it looks like the courses help.

Given that all on KB are far, far awesomer than average, I think joining KB and posting a few times makes you as safe as anyone who has done a course. Tee hee.

Nah, folk tend to leave our courses having learned a few things, grown in confidence and enjoyed the day out.

It's not about picking holes in someone's riding. It's about validating good habits and offering suggestions for possible improvement.

[russd7]

When we deliver the R4E courses we get folk to fill in a form so ACC can validate their return on investment.

At present there are over 6000 people on their database.

Those 6000 folk are about half as likely to be involved in injury crashes as the average motorcyclist.

Given that those 6000 ride in the same environment as everyone else, it looks like the courses help.

Given that all on KB are far, far awesomer than average, I think joining KB and posting a few times makes you as safe as anyone who has done a course. Tee hee.

Nah, folk tend to leave our courses having learned a few things, grown in confidence and enjoyed the day out.

It's not about picking holes in someone's riding. It's about validating good habits and offering suggestions for possible improvement.

yeah, or just reminding about getting complacent and lazy, i do tend to ride better tho not necessarily slower, than what i did before.

well worth doing.

[granstar]

Define average?

Consider my older classic safer than my modern steed in many respects due to riding experience and knowing the machine, pigeon holing bikes is a bit of a crock, only as safe as the rider who knows how to handle his particular bike, and that comes with riding experience to the conditions and that includes the bike.

[awayatc]

When we deliver the R4E courses we get folk to fill in a form so ACC can validate their return on investment.

At present there are over 6000 people on their database.

Those 6000 folk are about half as likely to be involved in injury crashes as the average motorcyclist.

Given that those 6000 ride in the same environment as everyone else, it looks like the courses help.

Given that all on KB are far, far awesomer than average, I think joining KB and posting a few times makes you as safe as anyone who has done a course. Tee hee.

Nah, folk tend to leave our courses having learned a few things, grown in confidence and enjoyed the day out.

It's not about picking holes in someone's riding. It's about validating good habits and offering suggestions for possible improvement.


I take my bike riding (and car driving) very serious....
Because I like my life and don't want to check out prematurely.
I would like to do these courses more often,
Once a year or so would be ideal...
I don't think I'm a bad rider, but doing a course like that does make you more aware/deliberate and therefor better/safer.

You can never get to much practice. ..

[george formby]

yeah, or just reminding about getting complacent and lazy, i do tend to ride better tho not necessarily slower, than what i did before.

well worth doing.

After doing a tailored Gold course and further training my riding has changed, too. I have a better understanding of braking and handling which has made me smoother. I no longer scallop front tires.. Something I've done for decades.

I feel as if I'm riding slower but my average speed is possibly a bit higher.

[rastuscat]

After doing a tailored Gold course and further training my riding has changed, too. I have a better understanding of braking and handling which has made me smoother. I no longer scallop front tires.. Something I've done for decades.

I feel as if I'm riding slower but my average speed is possibly a bit higher.

Smooth is the new fast.

Any speed you lose by braking into a corner is speed you have to regain coming out. So if you can learn to carry your momentum at higher speed, wider, with greater lean angle admittedly, it's speed you don't have to gain back.

The little gains are all big wins. A bloke in Dunedin used to get 320 km from a tank. Since he adopted our advice he's now getting 360 km per tank. He doesn't brake heavily and accelerate to compensate.

[Blackbird]

Smooth is the new fast.

Any speed you lose by braking into a corner is speed you have to regain coming out. So if you can learn to carry your momentum at higher speed, wider, with greater lean angle admittedly, it's speed you don't have to gain back.

The little gains are all big wins.

Another one is increased brake pad life. My Street Triple pads got changed at 40,000 km with some meat left. I don't think it was a coincidence that I took up Roadcraft during this time!

[nzspokes]

Smooth is the new fast.

Any speed you lose by braking into a corner is speed you have to regain coming out. So if you can learn to carry your momentum at higher speed, wider, with greater lean angle admittedly, it's speed you don't have to gain back.

The little gains are all big wins. A bloke in Dunedin used to get 320 km from a tank. Since he adopted our advice he's now getting 360 km per tank. He doesn't brake heavily and accelerate to compensate.

I would like to tour the country doing courses with different instructors to see what I could learn.

Sadly my employer wont see it as such a great idea.<_<

[Berries]

A bloke in Dunedin used to get 320 km from a tank. Since he adopted our advice he's now getting 360 km per tank. He doesn't brake heavily and accelerate to compensate.
I don't know about that bloke, but I am happy to forego fuel consumption for the feeling of braking hard up to a corner and then accelerating out of it. That is a significant part of what riding a bike is all about to me.

I recall my brother in law being so proud that his 200,000km Ford Ranger was still on its original brake pads. Fuck being a passenger with him.

[rastuscat]

Isnt keeping an eye out for any hazards when cornering more important than any particular line you take?

It's just as important. Good cornering is a product of many factors.

[rastuscat]

I would like to tour the country doing courses with different instructors to see what I could learn.

Indeed. I tell people on each course that if they did the same course with a different instructor they would learn extra stuff.

Each instructor has different strengths and priorities.

[Zedder]

It's just as important. Good cornering is a product of many factors.


Safety, plus saving fuel and brake pads, training courses just keep on giving.

[Jin]

Just in case anyone is confused. Premiums, i.e. levies, are directly proportional to the perceived risk exposure. The higher the risk, the higher the premium. Works the same with private insurance when you insure any asset. Works the same for cars with lower safety rating vs higher safety rating (rating is of the car, not the driver).

As for anyone doing the course and expecting any reduction in levies, actually the subsidy paid to the instructor with mimimal charges to the trainee should be seen as the indirect reimbursement. We pay ACC, and they pay instructors to fund our training.

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How do you explain acc levies for rugby then?

[James Deuce]

How do you explain acc levies for rugby then?
Or horse riding or climbing a ladder or getting out of the shower, all of which cost ACC more than motorcycling.

[rastuscat]

Or horse riding or climbing a ladder or getting out of the shower, all of which cost ACC more than motorcycling.

Getting out of a shower costs ACC more than motorcycle injuries? Really?

ATGATT when showering.

[James Deuce]

Getting out of a shower costs ACC more than motorcycle injuries? Really?

ATGATT when showering.
Sure does. That and getting out of the bath, which I forgot to mention. Falling down stairs also costs ACC more than motorcycling.

DIY costs 1.2 BILLION per annum, as of 2009 in Charlie Lamb's submission to Dick, err Nick Smith.

[pritch]

Don't forget rugs, reportedly the number one cause of falls in the home.

[awayatc]

Beds....

More people die in bed then anywhere else.....

[RDJ]

and Natural Causes! Them Causes kill more people than the rest put together! Ban 'em.

[FJRider]

It was actually poster 1 that wished for lower premiums for those getting a riding school certificate.

He stated that it was a downside ... not that he wished it was possible for a reduction in levies ... :rolleyes:


My personal view is that there should only be higher premiums for those who cause crashes

With your head so far up your ass ... I have a fair idea what your "Personal view" would be ... <_<


and I know you dont believe this but some of us who have not been to riding school also have a history of not causing crashes.

And the high number of ones you have been involved in ... is just a coincidence ... ???? :confused:

[FJRider]

First, how do you qualify "riding schools". How much, what level, gets what discount. Don't bother answering, ACC will increase premiums before they decrease them.

No, you do the courses because you want to be a safer rider.

ACC have decreased the levies ... https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/450m-acc-levy-reductions-confirmed-201617


And have in the past WANTED to reduce the levies ... but they were stopped ... by the Minister for ACC. Towards the end of 2012, ACC Minister Judith Collins announced that Government would not cut ACC levies for the 2013–14 year. While the ACC Board and Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment had recommended reducing the levies by between 12 and 17 per cent.

The more safer riders we have ... the more chances of even more reductions ... if the number of Motorcycle accident injuries is reduced. The high risk of injury whilst riding a motorcycle ... is the clause (cause ??) the high levies (supposedly) exist.

Wearing better quality riding gear ...and getting QUALITY rider training should be a start to help achieve this.

The "I was in the right and had right of way (and not exceeding the speed limit) ... so it wasn't my fault" attitude ... will not help.

Recognizing possible accidents before they actually happen should reduce the severity ... of both the accident ... and any injuries.

[FJRider]

You need to grow a brain sport as why would I advocate those that cause crashes should pay higher premiums if my crashes were my fault as you and your mates on here believe?
How many times have you been at fault?

As I have previously stated (many times) ... ACC has a NO FAULT policy. As such ... there can be NO reduction in any way for "Not at fault" claims.

There ARE benefits for us all with this policy ... as it removes our right to sue (for stupidity) any involved in your accident. You should be thankful for that at least ...

Most of the accidents I have had were one vehicle involved. The others I should have seen coming sooner. Therefore I can claim some fault. At NO times were ANY DOGS involved ...

[caspernz]

The more safer riders we have ... the more chances of even more reductions ... if the number of Motorcycle accident injuries is reduced. The high risk of injury whilst riding a motorcycle ... is the clause (cause ??) the high levies (supposedly) exist.

Wearing better quality riding gear ...and getting QUALITY rider training should be a start to help achieve this.

The "I was in the right and had right of way (and not exceeding the speed limit) ... so it wasn't my fault" attitude ... will not help.

Recognizing possible accidents before they actually happen should reduce the severity ... of both the accident ... and any injuries.

Wow that logic even makes sense to me, why can't some posters grasp these basics? :brick::bash::innocent::devil2::oi-grr:


As I have previously stated (many times) ... ACC has a NO FAULT policy. As such ... there can be NO reduction in any way for "Not at fault" claims.

There ARE benefits for us all with this policy ... as it removes our right to sue (for stupidity) any involved in your accident. You should be thankful for that at least ...

Most of the accidents I have had were one vehicle involved. The others I should have seen coming sooner. Therefore I can claim some fault. At NO times were ANY DOGS involved ...

Two lots of logic in one day! By crikey, I can't take too much more of this...:2thumbsup:drool::banana::clap::not:

[FJRider]

No fault with the person who makes the screw up but fault with their choice of transport and you think thats fair? No wonder the number of crashes on the roads will never come down if thats your logic. For not seeing crashes looming sooner I can only assume you have been "Distracted" at times when you ride. Even if you do ride without any distractions shit can still happen from other motorists/animals faster than you would ever believe and maybe you will one day and only then understand my argument.

NEVER has anybody in authority described motorcycling as "Faulty" ... and if anybody ever has done so ... please quote them.

ACC regard motorcyclists as being "more at risk of injury" in an accident. Not motorcycles (or motorcyclists) being faulty. Admittedly there are a few deranged one's out there (you included) ... but that's another argument ....

I am alive and have needed the (financial) help of ACC twice. Once when I took a right hand corner wide and lost it in the gravel. The second when a woman driver pulled out of her driveway in front of me. In court she she stated she wasn't at fault. But was in a hurry as she was late for work (it wasn't YOU was it ???). I suffered a broken arm and smashed wrist (I still have limited movement in my right wrist) ... and was off work for almost a year. The woman got 75 hours community service.

You may recall I stated I did find myself with some fault for not seeing danger sooner. If you are easily distracted ... give up motorcycling (or at least stop talking about motorcycling) and some might live a little longer. (probably you)

[nzspokes]

The others I should have seen coming sooner.

And there is the attitude of a good rider. Being introspective of what you can do better is key to being a better rider.

Unlike those that blame others for their own faults.

[FJRider]

So you have had an "at fault" accident then which would explain why you would not want those "at fault" paying more although would you not think it would be a good idea if the woman that hit you payed more too?

I willing and happy to admit responsibility for my actions ... SHE didn't. She didn't PAY anything. She was working while on a Benefit (which she had not declared to WINZ) but the court case result was made public and WINZ was notified. There would be no point in attempting to get more than an admission of guilt from her. I never even got that.

As for being a good idea ... NO. It would have been no help. Mentally or financially.



How on earth is her driving going to improve with only 75hrs community service?

It is not driving skills that need improvement the most ... it is attitudes. Finding fault with others actions ... rather than seeing what you could have done to reduce/remove the problem. Doing nothing because it wasn't your fault wont fix it.

[caspernz]

And there is the attitude of a good rider. Being introspective of what you can do better is key to being a better rider.

Unlike those that blame others for their own faults.

For some it's quite hard to get past the "I had got the right of way, but I got hit anyway" mindset though aye? The true number of accidents that happen where a rider has zero influence on the outcome...is rather slim. But in order for one to think that way, the mind first needs to be opened. For some that is stumbling block number one :brick:

[nzspokes]

For some it's quite hard to get past the "I had got the right of way, but I got hit anyway" mindset though aye? The true number of accidents that happen where a rider has zero influence on the outcome...is rather slim. But in order for one to think that way, the mind first needs to be opened. For some that is stumbling block number one :brick:

Yup, once people get that through their head then there will be less accidents and safer roads for people and dogs.

[nzspokes]

On a side note, this just popped up on my feed.

http://tarmc.net/a-20-lifesaver-ride-forever/testdrive/

[caspernz]

On a side note, this just popped up on my feed.

http://tarmc.net/a-20-lifesaver-ride-forever/testdrive/

Good stuff, just seen that as well. More the merrier I say.

[FJRider]

You dont think charging higher premiums for those "at fault" is not going to change "atitudes"?

Do speed camera fines change the attitudes of those caught speeding ... ???

Those that can afford it ... just buy their way out of trouble.

[FJRider]

If you want to have zero influence on an accident outcome its best to stay off the road but the problem with your theory is picking which day to ride when shit is not going to happen.

Is English your second language ... ??? I'll translate. Having zero influence of an accident outcome ... is seeing a possible accident scenario happening and doing nothing to avoid it.

In most cases ... the warning signs are there for all (except you) to see ... All you need to do is look.

If you don't know what to look for ... take a rider training course. They teach you what to look for.




And EVERY day spent riding is a bloody good day.

[russd7]

and Natural Causes! Them Causes kill more people than the rest put together! Ban 'em.

naaaa, life is terminal, i tell ya the longer i live the more i see people who are living life die. life is terminal

[russd7]

Is English your second language ... ??? I'll translate. Having zero influence of an accident outcome ... is seeing a possible accident scenario happening and doing nothing to avoid it.

In most cases ... the warning signs are there for all (except you) to see ... All you need to do is look.

If you don't know what to look for ... take a rider training course. They teach you what to look for.




And EVERY day spent riding is a bloody good day.

head, brick wall, when you argue with an idiot they will win every time.

i once had a person in my employ once who stated in a staff meeting that "shit just happens sometimes", he failed the attitude test and after about two weeks of due process no longer worked for me or occupied one of my houses.

the incidences he refereed to as being shit just happens was a firstly a holed piston on a brand new ag100 followed very closely by a broken rear axle on my quad.

[granstar]

If this makes any sense, shit is like accidents, generally happens after a series of events. If one were to catch the warning signs (some training, I did Defensive Driving in my youth and saved my butt heaps by being aware) you can reduce the outcome be it major consequence to a minor or an avoidable one, this is why the "near miss" thing creeping into the workplace is lowering injury and property damage, MOST people are more aware and being a little more careful for the better.

But then in that "Shit happens" statement one needs to eat first after choosing carefully, as we all know if you don't eat, or eat the wrong shit, you don't shit, or do shit the wrong way, and could expire, so to avoid an accident in the first place by keeping out of an accident scenario, or being aware of the danger signs with a little training knowledge you may well survive and enjoy the ride of life, no shit.... thought not.:facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eFNcbltDnM

[HEsch]

I think any defensive driving course is a great idea. I did one when learning to drive a car, learned heaps, still reference some of the ways the instructor taught us to think about safety.

I'm booked onto Ride Forever tomorrow, going to get wet - ugh! - but still going! It is a good opportunity to get input in less-than-ideal conditions. Very glad I got waterproofs recently ;)

[Zedder]

naaaa, life is terminal, i tell ya the longer i live the more i see people who are living life die. life is terminal


That's why it's very important to get the most out of life.

[Zedder]

I think any defensive driving course is a great idea. I did one when learning to drive a car, learned heaps, still reference some of the ways the instructor taught us to think about safety.

I'm booked onto Ride Forever tomorrow, going to get wet - ugh! - but still going! It is a good opportunity to get input in less-than-ideal conditions. Very glad I got waterproofs recently ;)


Good on you for doing the Ride Forever course, you've shown far more sense than another person on here who has a closed mind and very bizarre ideas on what constitutes safe motorcycling.

[James Deuce]

Oh God, this has turned into one of "those" threads, hasn't it?

I shall wave at motorcyclists with only my middle finger from now on - if I chose to wave at all.

[FJRider]

If everyone could see warning signs like you there would be no road deaths now would there?

Exactly ... :shifty:


Shit can happen at different speeds did you know?

Those full of shit probably know the most about about shit ... I defer to your superior knowledge of the subject.


What is the warning sign for someone crossing the centre line and hitting you? If you know the answer to that question there would be no more head on collisions on the road now would there?

If you continue to ride in the wheel track next to the center line in heavy traffic ... you can expect some of the opposing traffic to get close. Put yourself in harms way ... and harm will find you.

[FJRider]

When I was learning to ride I came off in the wet on a slight downhill of a bridge and I said on here if I had gone to riding school it may have saved me having that accident.

If you had gone to a riding school ... it might have saved you from a few successive accidents you've had ... <_<


I got a reply back saying wet road safety is not taught in riding schools which I found hard to believe.

Spend a week riding the south islands west coast ... (it matters litytle what time of the year) and you'll learn all you need to know about riding in the rain ...<_<


There are some tutorials on wet road riding on the net if you want to gain some knowledge in advance.

Read them yourself ... you seem more in need of the help ... <_<


Good luck and maybe focus more on the road than keeping up with the other riders in your group if its wet.

Take you own advice. And start a petition to Government ... asking for ALL dogs in public to be fitted with day-glo apparel ... <_<

[russd7]

If this makes any sense, shit is like accidents, generally happens after a series of events. If one were to catch the warning signs (some training, I did Defensive Driving in my youth and saved my butt heaps by being aware) you can reduce the outcome be it major consequence to a minor or an avoidable one, this is why the "near miss" thing creeping into the workplace is lowering injury and property damage, MOST people are more aware and being a little more careful for the better.

But then in that "Shit happens" statement one needs to eat first after choosing carefully, as we all know if you don't eat, or eat the wrong shit, you don't shit, or do shit the wrong way, and could expire, so to avoid an accident in the first place by keeping out of an accident scenario, or being aware of the danger signs with a little training knowledge you may well survive and enjoy the ride of life, no shit.... thought not.:facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eFNcbltDnM

i have five dozen oysters that need to be consumed, may need somethin to wash em down with also, that may create shit. you gonna join in and help it along. :laugh:

[HEsch]

When I was learning to ride I came off in the wet on a slight downhill of a bridge and I said on here if I had gone to riding school it may have saved me having that accident. I got a reply back saying wet road safety is not taught in riding schools which I found hard to believe. There are some tutorials on wet road riding on the net if you want to gain some knowledge in advance. Good luck and maybe focus more on the road than keeping up with the other riders in your group if its wet.

They must get quite a few drop out in less-than-perfect conditions as the email reminders all clearly state:

"Please attend this day regardless of the weather. YES, even if it's wet to start with.
Our course covers safe riding practices in all conditions, adverse weather can be your best learning opportunity! If the weather is deemed unsafe for training, you will be contacted in advance."

I'll just wear appropriately warm clothing under my wets and suck it up if I'm damp. I won't melt...

[nzspokes]

They must get quite a few drop out in less-than-perfect conditions as the email reminders all clearly state:

"Please attend this day regardless of the weather. YES, even if it's wet to start with.
Our course covers safe riding practices in all conditions, adverse weather can be your best learning opportunity! If the weather is deemed unsafe for training, you will be contacted in advance."

I'll just wear appropriately warm clothing under my wets and suck it up if I'm damp. I won't melt...

Bikes grip better in the wet than most realize. Modern tyres are very good.

[johcar]

At least they went to one...

[HEsch]

I've had horses for a looong time and attended many training courses where the environment/location caused them to be on less-than-perfect behaviour - but that's what you pay for: help with the difficult stuff, not the easy stuff ;)

So far I have kept the healthy respect for my bike and the dangers, but I love riding it, so I'd really like to keep riding it safely for many years!

[Jeeper]

How can training instructors control weather to teach everyone dry and wet weather riding skills? Do they need to have wet skid pads used for cars available? Its illogical to expect them to teach every type of weather riding in one training course. Next the argument would be that they don't teach heavy rain riding versus heavy rain with gale force wind riding! What about North Island roads versus South Island roads? Where does it stop? These are just plain illogical arguments that only a two year old could possibly make and expect answered reasonably. Easiest answer is to do multiple training days in different seasons and chances are you will have exposure to be instructed in a wide variety of weather conditions.

[nzspokes]

Maybe trainers should carry dog soft toys so they can randomly throw them at new riders.......:clap:

[Jeeper]

Maybe trainers should carry dog soft toys so they can randomly throw them at new riders.......:clap:
Same color toys or different colors? What about riding at night or with sun strike? Not to forget with planes over our heads? Man, some people are crazy. But this line of arguing is some special kind of crazy.

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[caspernz]

Maybe trainers should carry dog soft toys so they can randomly throw them at new riders.......:clap:

Or use a dog whistle to clear the path for those unlucky riders...:innocent:

[caseye]

Same color toys or different colors? What about riding at night or with sun strike? Not to forget with planes over our heads? Man, some people are crazy. But this line of arguing is some special kind of crazy.

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Now, this guy, this guy is making real sense, never thought of it/her in this way before.

[george formby]

Or use a dog whistle to clear the path for those unlucky riders...:innocent:

Probably have the opposite effect.

A tank bag full of cats from Gareth Morgan which can be hurled, screeching, towards the pavement when required, would be more helpful.

[nzspokes]

Same color toys or different colors? What about riding at night or with sun strike? Not to forget with planes over our heads? Man, some people are crazy. But this line of arguing is some special kind of crazy.

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Well we do have to think about breeds here. A toy the size of my Mastiff would be hard to carry, maybe more Pitbull size. Breed will dictate the colour.

[Moi]

Maybe trainers should carry dog soft toys so they can randomly throw them at new riders.......:clap:

Is that why they're called handbag dogs?


Probably have the opposite effect.

A tank bag full of cats from Gareth Morgan which can be hurled, screeching, towards the pavement when required, would be more helpful.

You leave the cats out of this...


Well we do have to think about breeds here. A toy the size of my Mastiff would be hard to carry, maybe more Pitbull size. Breed will dictate the colour.

What about a plump chocolate coloured lab called "Cadbury"?

[george formby]

Is that why they're called handbag dogs?



You leave the cats out of this...



What about a plump chocolate coloured lab called "Cadbury"?

Nah, I've had experience with chocolate labs. The merest whiff of a schmacko and the bugger would have you off. Passing a takeaways could be catastrophic.

[Zedder]

Probably have the opposite effect.

A tank bag full of cats from Gareth Morgan which can be hurled, screeching, towards the pavement when required, would be more helpful.


Haha, I'd prefer it if Gareth Morgan was hurled at a bag of cats, big vicious ones about tiger size...

[Jeeper]

But has Gareth Morgan done his rider training? He is an avid rider.

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[quickbuck]

I'm booked onto Ride Forever tomorrow, going to get wet - ugh! - but still going! It is a good opportunity to get input in less-than-ideal conditions. Very glad I got waterproofs recently ;)

Well done, I trust you enjoyed it.

[Moi]

Nah, I've had experience with chocolate labs. The merest whiff of a schmacko and the bugger would have you off. Passing a takeaways could be catastrophic.

A few years ago was waiting at the lights in the local village behind a young mum with a toddler and one in the push chair and a very large chocolate lab... when the little green man showed it was safe to cross, off she went with the command "Walk, Cadbury!"... chuckled all the way home after that!

[Moi]

But has Gareth Morgan done his rider training? He is an avid rider.

Perhaps he could go and practice on the steppes of outer Mongolia...



But back on thread...

if a rider chooses to go and do a course of some description then they will gain some benefit from it...

and the RideForever courses are a very good starting point.

[nzspokes]

Nah, I've had experience with chocolate labs. The merest whiff of a schmacko and the bugger would have you off. Passing a takeaways could be catastrophic.

My Mastiff has a little Lab blood. He is a 60kg eating machine. I think the Lab part is his tummy.

[nzspokes]

I've had horses for a looong time and attended many training courses where the environment/location caused them to be on less-than-perfect behaviour - but that's what you pay for: help with the difficult stuff, not the easy stuff ;)

So far I have kept the healthy respect for my bike and the dangers, but I love riding it, so I'd really like to keep riding it safely for many years!

So how did it go? Who did you do it with?

[george formby]

So how did it go? ?

+2 I'm keen for some freshly minted feedback.

[HEsch]

Well, it didn't rain! Such a good day out, beautiful weather and we went through some really lovely country. I booked with ProRider. We got off to a little bit of a late start as the other participant was a little late, and had a bit of an issue with a lost key after going through the safety briefing and some theory things before setting off, but all uphill from there.
Urban riding practice around a local suburb, then slow speed in a private car park area (incl cornering at slow speed, parking, then braking). Out onto the open road for higher speed and cornering skills (incl countersteering, up and down hills). Stopped at a cafe for lunch. Slow speed riding through town, then a bit of a blat (safely, of course) with more corners and countersteering practice and a biiiiiiiig hill, finally ending with a slow-speed challenge of sorts through town again (aiming to ride slowly, and correctly judge traffic and gaps, to keep the bike moving - within reason and safety and obeying the road rules). Quick debrief for questions then home.

Plenty of intersections, plenty of tuition, plenty of time to lead and follow, and practice formation riding. The instructor was GREAT, giving both attendees plenty of attention and feedback and time to work on things we needed. We were on intercom, Sena 20S, which made everything easy.

It was a long day - I haven't been out for more than an hour and a half with my bike, so heading out shortly after 8 and not returning until nearly 6 was a lot. We had plenty of stops and rests (and weren't riding the whole day). Very good learning and great to get feedback: I have lots to work on which is cool, and confidence in skills gained already is definitely up.

[granstar]

i have five dozen oysters that need to be consumed, may need somethin to wash em down with also, that may create shit. you gonna join in and help it along. :laugh:

Buga, bro over from Sydney and we took mum out (to the Rocks) for a yummy feed and a beers, thanks for the offer tho cuz, and ride safe.

and, Just to remind World Whisky Day is next Saturday :msn-wink:

[quickbuck]

Well, it didn't rain! Such a good day out, beautiful weather and we went through some really lovely country. I booked with ProRider. We got off to a little bit of a late start as the other participant was a little late, and had a bit of an issue with a lost key after going through the safety briefing and some theory things before setting off, but all uphill from there.
Urban riding practice around a local suburb, then slow speed in a private car park area (incl cornering at slow speed, parking, then braking). Out onto the open road for higher speed and cornering skills (incl countersteering, up and down hills). Stopped at a cafe for lunch. Slow speed riding through town, then a bit of a blat (safely, of course) with more corners and countersteering practice and a biiiiiiiig hill, finally ending with a slow-speed challenge of sorts through town again (aiming to ride slowly, and correctly judge traffic and gaps, to keep the bike moving - within reason and safety and obeying the road rules). Quick debrief for questions then home.

Plenty of intersections, plenty of tuition, plenty of time to lead and follow, and practice formation riding. The instructor was GREAT, giving both attendees plenty of attention and feedback and time to work on things we needed. We were on intercom, Sena 20S, which made everything easy.

It was a long day - I haven't been out for more than an hour and a half with my bike, so heading out shortly after 8 and not returning until nearly 6 was a lot. We had plenty of stops and rests (and weren't riding the whole day). Very good learning and great to get feedback: I have lots to work on which is cool, and confidence in skills gained already is definitely up.

Great work, well done and thanks for the feedback.
There are some things in there as instructors we can take away from it to, so thank you so much.

If you haven't done so please remember to fill out the post activity survey.

Sounds like you will be keen for the next one.

[nzspokes]

Well, it didn't rain! Such a good day out, beautiful weather and we went through some really lovely country. I booked with ProRider. We got off to a little bit of a late start as the other participant was a little late, and had a bit of an issue with a lost key after going through the safety briefing and some theory things before setting off, but all uphill from there.
Urban riding practice around a local suburb, then slow speed in a private car park area (incl cornering at slow speed, parking, then braking). Out onto the open road for higher speed and cornering skills (incl countersteering, up and down hills). Stopped at a cafe for lunch. Slow speed riding through town, then a bit of a blat (safely, of course) with more corners and countersteering practice and a biiiiiiiig hill, finally ending with a slow-speed challenge of sorts through town again (aiming to ride slowly, and correctly judge traffic and gaps, to keep the bike moving - within reason and safety and obeying the road rules). Quick debrief for questions then home.

Plenty of intersections, plenty of tuition, plenty of time to lead and follow, and practice formation riding. The instructor was GREAT, giving both attendees plenty of attention and feedback and time to work on things we needed. We were on intercom, Sena 20S, which made everything easy.

It was a long day - I haven't been out for more than an hour and a half with my bike, so heading out shortly after 8 and not returning until nearly 6 was a lot. We had plenty of stops and rests (and weren't riding the whole day). Very good learning and great to get feedback: I have lots to work on which is cool, and confidence in skills gained already is definitely up.

Nice. Learning I find to be fun. Big day by the sounds if you are not used to it.

I plan to go through and do the lot in the not far future.

[russd7]

Buga, bro over from Sydney and we took mum out (to the Rocks) for a yummy feed and a beers, thanks for the offer tho cuz, and ride safe.

and, Just to remind World Whisky Day is next Saturday :msn-wink:

had to do the unthinkable and freeze some, may have to finish em with whiskey chasers, maybe we should educate the little blue fella about whiskey, the dogs not fussed on oysters but he drinks bourben which of course is a bastardized form of whiskey

[granstar]

had to do the unthinkable and freeze some, may have to finish em with whiskey chasers, maybe we should educate the little blue fella about whiskey, the dogs not fussed on oysters but he drinks bourben which of course is a bastardized form of whiskey

Could be worse, happily put that piece of nice venison on ice....freeze a jolly good fellow....

all a matter of taste (and spelling, um, so first this be first lesson little blue fella, take note) I prefer the Scottish variety of whisky (mind the Irish have made a few good whiskeys top of my list are Redbreast, Writers Tears, Jameson).:msn-wink:

Such a nice day for a ride to check my ride safe skills, but all that happened was 8 hours with a paintbrush :dodge:

[russd7]

all a matter of taste (and spelling, um, so first this be first lesson little blue fella, take note) I prefer the Scottish variety of whisky (mind the Irish have made a few good whiskeys top of my list are Redbreast, Writers Tears, Jameson).:msn-wink:

Such a nice day for a ride to check my ride safe skills, but all that happened was 8 hours with a paintbrush :dodge:

will keep that in mind :yes: now, are we celebrating world whisky (<< see what i did there) at mine or yours or do we just invite ourselves elsewhere

[granstar]

will keep that in mind :yes: now, are we celebrating world whisky (<< see what i did there) at mine or yours or do we just invite ourselves elsewhere

Found a batter to try, unless you want to do them in the raw (i'll turn the heat pump up).

Can do at ours, 'Oyster and Dram' night then? Whart time?

Usually suspects ... if you want to invite, i'll roll a cask in. We can discuss attending or not the Brass and riding safe forever.

[russd7]

Found a batter to try, unless you want to do them in the raw (i'll turn the heat pump up).

Can do at ours, 'Oyster and Dram' night then? Whart time?

Usually suspects ... if you want to invite, i'll roll a cask in. We can discuss attending or not the Brass and riding safe forever.

batter sounds good, will bring fire wood for fire in old well, sposed to be snowing on friday, i have access to 200litres of kero, should i bring some so we can fire up the torch :killingme

[granstar]

batter sounds good, will bring fire wood for fire in old well, sposed to be snowing on friday, i have access to 200litres of kero, should i bring some so we can fire up the torch :killingme

Was hoping to avoid that while we were discussing the free breakfast with Ride Forever :yes:

[HEsch]

For various reasons, I haven't ridden for nearly 3 weeks. Finally managed to catch a relatively fine break this afternoon so went for a spin. Felt SO much more confident considering the time off the bike (I've only had it three months, which how long I've been learning to ride, so three weeks off is a lot), so big ups to the ride forever course for that!

In a fit of questionable intelligence, considering my available time and the likely weather over winter, I put the rego on hold two weeks ago (hold starts mid next week) but I'm now wondering if that was possibly the worst idea I've ever had. Tomorrow's ride might mean I have to toddle off to the post shop next week.