Flashing your headlights to warn of cops

[Asher]

How come no one does this any more? Flash your high beams at oncoming cars to warn of a cop or speed trap that is.
Bikers are pretty good at warning each other but when I'm in the car almost no one warns ya. I try to warn people a km or two after but I feel like I'm one of the rare few. 5 or 10 years ago a lot more people did it but now no one does. Why?
Discuss...

[Mike.Gayner]

I commute 90km each way to work on a road frequented by cops - on my journey people usually flash to warn.

[ellipsis]

...far less these days I've noticed too...as long as you carry on doing it, it may encourage others...a lot of new or foreign drivers to our roads probably wonder why we do it...

[FJRider]

How come no one does this any more? Flash your high beams at oncoming cars to warn of a cop or speed trap that is.
Bikers are pretty good at warning each other but when I'm in the car almost no one warns ya. I try to warn people a km or two after but I feel like I'm one of the rare few. 5 or 10 years ago a lot more people did it but now no one does. Why?
Discuss...

Don't flash a mufti cop ... :innocent:

[Berries]

I flash randomly just for a laugh.

[Akzle]

i warn bikes more than cars.
never warn asshats in SUVs..
will warn someone who looks like they're over enthusiastic.


i was thinking of implementing an LED system, where people can flick an LED on their dash from red to green.
uptake may be patchy, and you'd get the johnny too-goods who drive around with red on all the time, but hmmmmeh.



also, some cunt got done for "inappropriate use of warning signal" for flashing a UC, or being seen by one.

[Big Dog]

I flash randomly just for a laugh.
He is talking about your lights.

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[pritch]

I see cars flashing their lights, doesn't work so well on the bike though 'cause the lights are on. If in the car I will warn others.

[Swoop]

Still do it.
Bacon on the road is a serious hazard. Think of all the U-turns they have done which put others in danger.


Bike = all the time.
Tin-top = for a Km or two.

[tigertim20]

I reckon way less people are doing it these days too.
gets the same result = people slow down, just means the pop / got dont get their cut.

[Night Falcon]

flashed a car with its headlights on full but turned out they weren't....modern cars with LED's are too bright on low beam

[Scuba_Steve]

How come no one does this any more? Flash your high beams at oncoming cars to warn of a cop or speed trap that is.
Bikers are pretty good at warning each other but when I'm in the car almost no one warns ya. I try to warn people a km or two after but I feel like I'm one of the rare few. 5 or 10 years ago a lot more people did it but now no one does. Why?
Discuss...

It's cause a few years back cops started extorting money from people who warned of the dangerous scam run by them, the propaganda machine spread the word & people got scared off warning about the scam

[flashg]

flashed a car with its headlights on full but turned out they weren't....modern cars with LED's are too bright on low beam
They might be HID's, the light is white and bloody awesome. My car has them. When you turn them on they start lower down and rise up to level, they are self leveling. They might not self level on all cars though, or may not be set correctly. They can be blinding head on, they are only used on dip (on my car). High beam is normal halogen and a more yellow light by comparison.

[Berries]

Still do it.
Bacon on the road is a serious hazard. Think of all the U-turns they have done which put others in danger.
Bollocks. You are basing that on the high profile nature of a crash involving a cop doing a u-turn and ignoring the fact that people cross the centre line and cause head on crashes daily, so frequently in fact that they only make the news now if the crash involves tourists, babies or a high body count.

I'd be interested in seeing how many demerit points some of these drivers have on their licence. I suspect a number would be close to 100 points and have only managed to hold on to their licence for so long because people have warned them about cops ahead. Thanks for that. I like sharing the road with people who have shown that they don't give a shit.

[Autech]

How come no one does this any more? Flash your high beams at oncoming cars to warn of a cop or speed trap that is.
Bikers are pretty good at warning each other but when I'm in the car almost no one warns ya. I try to warn people a km or two after but I feel like I'm one of the rare few. 5 or 10 years ago a lot more people did it but now no one does. Why?
Discuss...

It's a Cuntabrian thing mate. I noticed this myself, up north you get heaps of warning, down here I've only ever been warned once.


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[george formby]

Concur with the poster about people being reticent to flash for speed traps. I've seen 2 drivers pulled over for it.

In recent years most of the flashing up here has been for genuine hazards. On my silly o'clock commute recently it was like driving through a disco. I passed 2 accidents within a few km's of each other, still fresh, with people wandering on the road and read of 2 more at the same time. The culprit was diesel for miles.. Sorry for mixing my measures.

I'm not a flasher. If you want to exceed the speed limit you should have the ability to spot or anticipate the cameras. Being smart enough to do it when nobody is looking is even better.

[Ocean1]

Bollocks. You are basing that on the high profile nature of a crash involving a cop doing a u-turn and ignoring the fact that people cross the centre line and cause head on crashes daily, so frequently in fact that they only make the news now if the crash involves tourists, babies or a high body count.

I'd be interested in seeing how many demerit points some of these drivers have on their licence. I suspect a number would be close to 100 points and have only managed to hold on to their licence for so long because people have warned them about cops ahead. Thanks for that. I like sharing the road with people who have shown that they don't give a shit.

Which would be a fucking excellent point, if speed cameras pinged people inappropriately crossing the centerline.

It wouldn't even be a bad point if speed cameras could be shown to either control speed in general or indeed improve safety on the road in any way at all.

[F5 Dave]

People now believe that speed equals crashes cause the TV said so. So now public perception is that exceeding the speed limit is more dangerous than being inattentive or angry.
Good work guys.

[pritch]

Bollocks. You are basing that on the high profile nature of a crash involving a cop doing a u-turn

You seem to think this only happened once? There was the idiot in the Buller Gorge who took out multiple bikes. There was another at Te kauwhata who killed a motorcyclist doing A u turn to chase a ute?

Absolutely unprofessional.

[oldiebutagoody]

I do seem to remember a court case where a driver who was flashing in warning was found not guilty by the magistrate by reason of their stated intent being:

"Attempting to assist fellow road users to abide by the speed limits"

Was a long time ago, in my youf, and probably that loophole has been closed by a gubbermint working party at some point.......

[Berries]

You seem to think this only happened once? There was the idiot in the Buller Gorge who took out multiple bikes. There was another at Te kauwhata who killed a motorcyclist doing A u turn to chase a ute?

Absolutely unprofessional.
Agree, utterly unprofessional for someone supposedly working to make the roads safer. But even if it has happened ten times there are so many other things to worry about on the road that are more likely to get you. I'd flash if there was loose stock, a crash or a genuine hazard out there, if I hadn't stopped to try and deal with it which I have had to do on occasion. I don't think of a cop at the side of the road as a hazard to anything but your licence and on that you are on your own as far as I am concerned.

Somewhat hypocritically though, if I pass a stationary cop and then see a sports bike coming the other way who looks like he might be giving it some I will give them the old rotating hand/finger sign to warn them.


I do seem to remember a court case where a driver who was flashing in warning was found not guilty by the magistrate by reason of their stated intent being:

"Attempting to assist fellow road users to abide by the speed limits"

Was a long time ago, in my youf, and probably that loophole has been closed by a gubbermint working party at some point.......
I struggle to see what offence you would be committing by flashing your lights as a warning to another motorist if you use the same defence.

[FJRider]

I do seem to remember a court case where a driver who was flashing in warning was found not guilty by the magistrate by reason of their stated intent being:

"Attempting to assist fellow road users to abide by the speed limits"

Was a long time ago, in my youf, and probably that loophole has been closed by a gubbermint working party at some point.......

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10752126

[Zedder]

But even if it has happened ten times there are so many other things to worry about on the road that are more likely to get you.


Police being a hazard, shouldn't even be on the "list" of things to worry about.

[oldiebutagoody]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10752126

Well there ya go, its still defensible IMHO.

If your intent is not to dazzle excessively, but police the road rules (as in "the Police are the public, and the public are the Police" ) I reckon a good advocate could get you off. The catch here is the cost of doing so is going to be more than the infringement......so they got ya either way.

That absurdity of a reason for pulling that driver over would see the officer laughed out of court. Magistrates used to frown on excessive use of Police powers, where no infringement has been actually committed.

[Berries]

Police being a hazard, shouldn't even be on the "list" of things to worry about.
I'm sorry, but if that is on someones list as a hazard I would hate to think how long the list is. I'd wager a bet that more people have been hurt by falling trees.

[oldiebutagoody]

I'm sorry, but if that is on someones list as a hazard I would hate to think how long the list is. I'd wager a bet that more people have been hurt by falling trees.

Funny thing irony,......

Just today between my last post and this I was confronted with the Police as a hazard.

Took the little 600 for a jaunt into town and was on my way back out from the roundabout at the 100kph signs, winding out as you do, when a traffic patrol car pulled out from the side of the layby which hides them. They came out enough to cause me to brake hard, and then they floored it when they saw me and caused me to brake more/more/more. That was what I call inconsiderate and probably careless driving.

The irony of this happening while I was following this thread struck me, as well as the bees on my visor. You see my little 600 revs quite high so they were obviously sitting in a trap awaiting a speeder, heard my engine revving quite high, timed their exit to get a jump start on the chase but were confronted with me being below the speed limit and slower than they anticipated. This must have caused them to brake to avoid blocking my lane entirely, but changed their mind and stomped on the gas instead.

Sadly my gopro is on the other bike currently so missed videoing it. Police driving can be just as error prone as the rest of us. That is why they are not immune from being ticketed or prosecuted themselves.

[Zedder]

I'm sorry, but if that is on someones list as a hazard I would hate to think how long the list is. I'd wager a bet that more people have been hurt by falling trees.


Police being at fault in 500 out of 800 crashes doesn't look very non hazardous:http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/288270/police-at-fault-in-60-percent-of-police-car-crashes

[Autech]

Once had a cop pull a u-turn in front of my car then give ME a ticket for daring to be on the road with him.


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[PrincessBandit]

I actually commented to Balu only a couple of weeks ago that there seems to be much less headlight flashing on the road these days. I had just done it to warn oncoming traffic about an accident we'd passed which was creating queues but, tbh, I haven't done it as a cop warning for ages.

[FJRider]

Police being at fault in 500 out of 800 crashes doesn't look very non hazardous:http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/288270/police-at-fault-in-60-percent-of-police-car-crashes

Superman wears a Red and Blue uniform. Police just wear the one shade of Blue. So ... Police are not Supermen. If they make the difficult decisions and get it wrong ... they end up in court (jail ??) just like every other human. They make those decisions daily. Only the one's that go pear shaped and feature in news articles ... do you ever hear about.

Those that think they'd be better at the job than most of those currently sworn in ... join the Police. They're recruiting ...

[Zedder]

Superman wears a Red and Blue uniform. Police just wear the one shade of Blue. So ... Police are not Supermen. If they make the difficult decisions and get it wrong ... they end up in court (jail ??) just like every other human. They make those decisions daily. Only the one's that go pear shaped and feature in news articles ... do you ever hear about.

Those that think they'd be better at the job than most of those currently sworn in ... join the Police. They're recruiting ...


Way off the point there FJRider, but 500 out of 800 crashes in a 12 month period is a lot of "Only the one's that go pear shaped and feature in news articles ...etc". Are they hazards? Based on that article, yes, they certainly appear to be.

[RDJ]

Way off the point there FJRider, but 500 out of 800 crashes in a 12 month period is a lot of "Only the one's that go pear shaped and feature in news articles ...etc". Are they hazards? Based on that article, yes, they certainly appear to be.

Yes. When they assume a lot of power over us - they need to accept a lot of responsibility for their actions.

They do not.

[Owl]

I find I get plenty of warnings and return the favour.:yes:

[FJRider]

Way off the point there FJRider, but 500 out of 800 crashes in a 12 month period is a lot of "Only the one's that go pear shaped and feature in news articles ...etc". Are they hazards? Based on that article, yes, they certainly appear to be.

If they're a hazard ... with their distinctive paint jobs ... (not to mention the red and blue's) ... you'd need to be blind or stupid to miss them. Especially when EVERYBODY driving anywhere ... are LOOKING out for them.

I doubt if any of those crashes were on the casual cruise looking for speeders. Numbers are just statistics. Do you always believe what statistics claim to prove as well .. ???

Reading the article ... 469 of the crashes were incidents that were recorded as "damage only" to the police cars involved. NO mention of ANY other vehicles ... other than Police vehicles involved. Until you know the details of all those crashes ... you're hardly in a position to comment on them being a hazard.

[Zedder]

If they're a hazard ... with their distinctive paint jobs ... (not to mention the red and blue's) ... you'd need to be blind or stupid to miss them. Especially when EVERYBODY driving anywhere ... are LOOKING out for them.

I doubt if any of those crashes were on the casual cruise looking for speeders. Numbers are just statistics. Do you always believe what statistics claim to prove as well .. ???

Reading the article ... 469 of the crashes were incidents that were recorded as "damage only" to the police cars involved. NO mention of ANY other vehicles ... other than Police vehicles involved. Until you know the details of all those crashes ... you're hardly in a position to comment on them being a hazard.


It's not about them being visible though, it's about them crashing into things which they did many times according to the article.

There's no need to mention the other vehicles because if you take away the 469 (damage only) from the actual figure of 810 crashes, the remainder is 341. Ipso facto, that's the other vehicle or thing they crashed into.

[FJRider]

It's not about them being visible though, it's about them crashing into things which they did many times according to the article.

You claim they are a hazard. Police vehicles are all about being visible. Hence the reflective panels ...

Things ... ??? so ... no other vehicles involved .. ???


There's no need to mention the other vehicles because if you take away the 469 (damage only) from the actual figure of 810 crashes, the remainder is 341. Ipso facto, that's the other vehicle or thing they crashed into.

Do you have any idea of the number of vehicles ... the entire New Zealand Police fleet consists of .. ???

Other vehicle ... OR (???) thing ... you actually don't know for sure. Trying to turn assumptions into fact. That's a katman trick. seldom works for him either ...

Ipso facto ...The only "facts" you have are uncorroborated numbers ... quoted by a radio station. But no quoted source. Yet you claim as FACT.

[Zedder]

You claim they are a hazard. Police vehicles are all about being visible. Hence the reflective panels ...

Things ... ??? so ... no other vehicles involved .. ???



Do you have any idea of the number of vehicles ... the entire New Zealand Police fleet consists of .. ???

Other vehicle ... OR (???) thing ... you actually don't know for sure. Trying to turn assumptions into fact. That's a katman trick. seldom works for him either ...

Ipso facto ...The only "facts" you have are uncorroborated numbers ... quoted by a radio station. But no quoted source. Yet you claim as FACT.

Berries was the one who used the word hazard initially. So if they didn't crash into any other vehicle or thing (which I was only using to illustrate the other part of the equation) What did they crash into? Thin air? You're deliberately making this nebulous, but I should have known you would.

[FJRider]

Berries was the one who used the word hazard initially.

I quoted you ... (and you obviously agreed they were a hazard) ... and you didn't seem to agree with my post ..


So if they didn't crash into any other vehicle or thing (which I was only using to illustrate the other part of the equation) What did they crash into? Thin air?

You tell me ... you're the one that's telling the story. You quoted numbers but no reliable quoted facts to back them up. Are you katman .. ???


You're deliberately making this nebulous, but I should have known you would.

Yep ...

[Berries]

Police being at fault in 500 out of 800 crashes doesn't look very non hazardous:http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/288270/police-at-fault-in-60-percent-of-police-car-crashes
I had never thought of numbers so considering the size of their fleet and the type of work they do I don't know whether to be surprised or not. Based on my experience they still don't rate on the 'what is around the next bend' risk matrix, they would be well below Old MacDonald in his Fendt, a hawk taking flight from a dead possum, cow shit, stationary tourist taking photos of sheep, rental BMWs doing stupid overtakes etc etc.

Perhaps my opinion is tainted by there being so few cops on the road down here. Have been to Queenstown, Invercargill, Te Anau and Milford Sound in the last couple of weeks on three separate trips and to be honest I am struggling to remember seeing a cop anywhere apart from one known fishing spot.

[Zedder]

You tell me ... you're the one that's telling the story. You quoted numbers but no reliable quoted facts to back them up. Are you katman .. ???

Yep ...


1:You clearly didn't read the article properly but that's not unusual for you. It was written by Carla Penman, the Police Reporter for Radio New Zealand (a Crown Entity) who obtained the official documents i.e. the figures in the article, plus the quotes from Greg O'Connor the Police Association president at the time, and a statement from National Police Headquarters on the topic.

2:How sad that you do what you do and admit it.

[Zedder]

I had never thought of numbers so considering the size of their fleet and the type of work they do I don't know whether to be surprised or not. Based on my experience they still don't rate on the 'what is around the next bend' risk matrix, they would be well below Old MacDonald in his Fendt, a hawk taking flight from a dead possum, cow shit, stationary tourist taking photos of sheep, rental BMWs doing stupid overtakes etc etc.

Perhaps my opinion is tainted by there being so few cops on the road down here. Have been to Queenstown, Invercargill, Te Anau and Milford Sound in the last couple of weeks on three separate trips and to be honest I am struggling to remember seeing a cop anywhere apart from one known fishing spot.


Fair enough. Thank you for the sensible post.

[veldthui]

Coming back from the TT2000 I was warned of a officer by a bike coming the other way. My radar detector had already gone off so I knew he was there and I was only doing 107 anyway. I slowed to 105 anyway and he did the good old fashioned U-turn behind me with no indication. He then followed me for about 30km as I passed a few cars doing about 90kph and also a truck. Just after Turakina I passed a truck and a car and then going down the other side of the hill I saw he had his lights on. I pulled over to let him past but he wanted me so I pulled over and waited for his reason. He said I was speeding (which I was at 105kph) and that he clocked me at 134kph. He then said he was surprised as he thought I had "made" him. I told him I knew he was there for ages and that I never went over 108kph according to my speedo and GPS. He said he didnt believe in GPS as they where not accurate. I said I would be taking the data out and checking because I did not believe his speed was correct.
He then told me I did nothing wrong but was just going a little fast. He had taken my details and sent me on my way. No ticket ever arrived and I am 99.999% sure the 134 on his radar was from the person he pulled up just before I arrived on the scene. I did check my GPS log and it never showed a speed over 108. He must have known he was caught out when I said I had the GPS log so bailed.

[rastuscat]

People now believe that speed equals crashes cause the TV said so.

You're right, but it's sad.

Speed causes some crashes. It could prevent others.

But whatever the case, the outcome is proportional to the kinetic energy imparted.

[rastuscat]

Perhaps my opinion is tainted by there being so few cops on the road down here. Have been to Queenstown, Invercargill, Te Anau and Milford Sound in the last couple of weeks on three separate trips and to be honest I am struggling to remember seeing a cop anywhere apart from one known fishing spot.

Now that the Five Rivers Donut Shop is closed the cops have taken up chocolate-fishing.

[george formby]

So true and for all those on here that get excited about the 2 dogs I have hit when they ran out if I had been going a little faster or slower I may have missed them. Many others on here could have just missed being getting tangled in an accident just by the sheer luck of the speed they were going either higher or lower at the time a hazard pops out too. There was a accident a few years ago where both the party at fault and inoccent party were not exceeding the speed limit but if one of them had been they may not have crashed.

A sound track for such speculation. Catchy, too. "Better watch out, better beware"

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[madbikeboy]

So true and for all those on here that get excited about the 2 dogs I have hit when they ran out if I had been going a little faster or slower I may have missed them. Many others on here could have just missed being getting tangled in an accident just by the sheer luck of the speed they were going either higher or lower at the time a hazard pops out too. There was a accident a few years ago where both the party at fault and inoccent party were not exceeding the speed limit but if one of them had been they may not have crashed.

Oh fuck. Wherever it has been, it has obviously been rejected there as well because now it's back.

[madbikeboy]

A long time ago, a man on a track, walked forty miles with a pack on his back..... Ooops. Sorry. Let me try that again.

A long time ago, in a galaxy, far, far away... Shit. One more time.

A long time ago, I was stopped driving my little MR2 on the road between somewhere and Palmerston North. The police officious who stopped me, seemed to take exception to me flashing lights to warn oncoming motorists of the bacon in wait behind me.

He tried the line that it could be construed as obstruction of justice... I actually giggled out loud at that one. He took more exception and gave a lecture and tried to find something he could ticket me for.

Cops like that, give the 1% of good cops a bad name.

[Berries]

Didn't realise you were a hair dresser.

[nzspokes]

So true and for all those on here that get excited about the 2 dogs I have hit.

Excited? No its more that you are a crap rider trying to sound like you have a clue.....

[Akzle]

"sorry ossiffer, been driving a euro import, i only wanted to wash my windsxreen"

[Waipukbiker]

Ive fitted LED bulbs into my bike and get flashed at some times cos they are so bright.

[rastuscat]

Ive fitted LED bulbs into my bike and get flashed at some times cos they are so bright.

I've finally found out how to adjust my low beam down. It's a pisser when you on low beam and cars flash back at you.

I got flashed by an oncoming motorist once. When I (safely) u-turned and pulled him over (plain Commodore that day) it was a funny chat.

Blamed his headlights, said they must be faulty. Ticket then was for car not being up to WoF standard i.e. faulty headlights.

Ah, the irony.

[Jeff Sichoe]

if there is a bike coming the other way i'll do the wavey-finger loop thing in the air but i'm 99% sure people just think i'm a fucking spastic so ignore me anyway

[Akzle]

if there is a bike coming the other way i'll do the wavey-finger loop thing in the air but i'm 99% sure people just think i'm a fucking spastic so ignore me anyway

maybe because you're 99% spastic?

[GazzaH]

The helicopter sign works well for bikers across North Island.

Car headlights on is a useful way to warn oncoming traffic of danger ahead - slips, washouts, accidents, loose animals, rozzers at accidents, whatever - but it only works in the daytime when most cars are otherwise unlit: the fashion for 'running lights' reduces its effectiveness. The driver stabbing thumbs down in the windscreen is an alternative, obvious enough for those alert enough to spot the movement. For the others, too bad. Shud've gone to speck-shavers.

[husaberg]

if there is a bike coming the other way i'll do the wavey-finger loop thing in the air but i'm 99% sure people just think i'm a fucking spastic so ignore me anyway

They likely think its the secret KB wave

[SVboy]

I've finally found out how to adjust my low beam down. It's a pisser when you on low beam and cars flash back at you.

I got flashed by an oncoming motorist once. When I (safely) u-turned and pulled him over (plain Commodore that day) it was a funny chat.

Blamed his headlights, said they must be faulty. Ticket then was for car not being up to WoF standard i.e. faulty headlights.

Ah, the irony.

Please clarify. Is it illegal to flash oncoming traffic to warn of police or other hazards?

[rastuscat]

Please clarify. Is it illegal to flash oncoming traffic to warn of police or other hazards?

No.

Hope that helps.

[SVboy]

if there is a bike coming the other way i'll do the wavey-finger loop thing in the air but i'm 99% sure people just think i'm a fucking spastic so ignore me anyway

You Sir, are a saint performing a valuable public service. Please continue.

[R650R]

No.

Hope that helps.

*comment redacted*

[scumdog]

I flash randomly just for a laugh.


Likewise, I flash my lights constantly - sometimes I do it in the work car too!:msn-wink:

[scumdog]

Now that the Five Rivers Donut Shop is closed the cops have taken up chocolate-fishing.

Most will have NO idea what you mean!

[scumdog]

Bollocks. You are basing that on the high profile nature of a crash involving a cop doing a u-turn and ignoring the fact that people cross the centre line and cause head on crashes daily, so frequently in fact that they only make the news now if the crash involves tourists, babies or a high body count.

I'd be interested in seeing how many demerit points some of these drivers have on their licence. I suspect a number would be close to 100 points and have only managed to hold on to their licence for so long because people have warned them about cops ahead. Thanks for that. I like sharing the road with people who have shown that they don't give a shit.

'Must spread rep'...

[scumdog]

It's a Cuntabrian thing mate. I noticed this myself, up north you get heaps of warning, down here I've only ever been warned once.


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If youre any sort of rider you shouldn't need 'warned', sheesh...:rolleyes:.

[rok-the-boat]

I pretty much stick to the speed limits but it is always good to get a warning.

[R650R]

Well finally got to see the classic KB helicopter wave cop warning today. White CBR coming towards me on Taupo bypass.
Thanks mate but by god does that look ridiculous... and the cop was 5km up road....
Just flash your lights and be done with it.

[R650R]

And I flashed a cop and he didn't give a damn.... guess he already knew there was an Asian in the bank up road that I was warning him about.... :)