Electric Vehicles getting really fast

[Autech]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/92576774/electric-nio-ep9-supercar-smashes-nurburgring-lap-record
So an electric car now holds the Nur road legal record, how long until we see electric bikes starting to do the same to our road legal superbikes?

I asked myself that question and then asked google and apparently it has already happened:
http://newatlas.com/lightning-ls218-review-ls-218/36470/

That's a seriously quick bike and no way near as heavy as I though it would be at 225kgs. As much as I like the sound of a bike I'd love to open the taps on one of these. Charge times aren't too unreasonable either. I think a charging station at a few of the towns along the Coro GP would do you well when you stop to clear the head a bit, is this our future?

[Cosmik de Bris]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/92576774/electric-nio-ep9-supercar-smashes-nurburgring-lap-record
So an electric car now holds the Nur road legal record, how long until we see electric bikes starting to do the same to our road legal superbikes?

I asked myself that question and then asked google and apparently it has already happened:
http://newatlas.com/lightning-ls218-review-ls-218/36470/

That's a seriously quick bike and no way near as heavy as I though it would be at 225kgs. As much as I like the sound of a bike I'd love to open the taps on one of these. Charge times aren't too unreasonable either. I think a charging station at a few of the towns along the Coro GP would do you well when you stop to clear the head a bit, is this our future?

Some of them are really quick but not for long. There is a lot of energy in 18 litres of petrol.

[george formby]

I've said this before but will again. We live in exciting times. EV tech is developing at a rapid rate of knots. Can't wait to get some range..


It may be an anecdote but I read about BMW's first attempt at a 4wd SUV a few years ago. It had a motor on each wheel and on the initial test it just lit the tires up when the throttle was pressed. Impressive torques.

[Autech]

What's not to like about instant power? Bring it on I say


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[Askor]

Our University of Canterbury Motorsport UCM16 FSAE electric race car for last year ran 80kw and 924Nm of torque....that thing is scary fast. This year's car will be even better :eek:

[JimO]

i have a 2016 subaru wrx and a few weeks ago was behind a nissan leaf at the lights, he was beside a boy racer type and when the lights changed the nissan destroyed the boy racer in a drag so at the next lights i was beside him and when the lights changed we both took off and obviously i won but it was close, those things are quick of the line

[jellywrestler]

As much as I like the sound of a bike I'd love to open the taps on one of these.

i'm sure you'll be able to get a speaker kit and a sound package applicable to the behaviour of the bike to sound proper

[Mike.Gayner]

i have a 2016 subaru wrx and a few weeks ago was behind a nissan leaf at the lights, he was beside a boy racer type and when the lights changed the nissan destroyed the boy racer in a drag so at the next lights i was beside him and when the lights changed we both took off and obviously i won but it was close, those things are quick of the line

What? OK some electric cars are pretty quick, even surprisingly quick. That is not true of the Leaf. The Leaf is hilariously slow.

[Moi]

There is a retro scooter that is electric being made in Europe that has a 250km range but the catch is the battery pack is contained in a small trailer towed behind the scooter.

I don't see a trailler...

Cezeta 506 (https://cezeta.com/type506.php)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8uRKxqsNiE

[JimO]

What? OK some electric cars are pretty quick, even surprisingly quick. That is not true of the Leaf. The Leaf is hilariously slow.
nope..............

[Berries]

i'm sure you'll be able to get a speaker kit and a sound package applicable to the behaviour of the bike to sound proper
Ringa ding ding be buggered.

Get one of these bastards fitted - How to make a stuka siren (https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/how-to-make-a-real-life-size-stuka-siren.16328/)

[Mike.Gayner]

nope..............

It's a strange thing to dispute because the information is so easy to find. The 0-100 time of a Leaf is 10 seconds. That's not a quick car. I don't know what you ride - GN250 maybe? But there aren't a lit of bikes that can't beat 10 seconds 0-100.

[onearmedbandit]

nope..............


It's a strange thing to dispute because the information is so easy to find. The 0-100 time of a Leaf is 10 seconds. That's not a quick car. I don't know what you ride - GN250 maybe? But there aren't a lit of bikes that can't beat 10 seconds 0-100.

Very easy to find. The Leaf is slow. Fact.

https://www.0-60specs.com/nissan-leaf-0-60-times/

[Autech]

It's a strange thing to dispute because the information is so easy to find. The 0-100 time of a Leaf is 10 seconds. That's not a quick car. I don't know what you ride - GN250 maybe? But there aren't a lit of bikes that can't beat 10 seconds 0-100.

I imagine it'd get off the line quite well like a potato potato Harley with all the torque then it'd die out quite quickly. It'd be designed as a town car too so I'd imagine it's 0-50kmph might be a better figure to look at when measuring it's "Performance". GN250 would hit 100 in under 10 I reckon, just... I'll dig my wife's out of the garage and report back lol

[Cosmik de Bris]

i'm sure you'll be able to get a speaker kit and a sound package applicable to the behaviour of the bike to sound proper

Yes, about 5 years ago one of the final year student projects was to make a sound kit for an electric car. They recorded several nice sounding cars and used signal processing to change the frequency in proportion to the RPM.

Cheers

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/92576774/electric-nio-ep9-supercar-smashes-nurburgring-lap-record
So an electric car now holds the Nur road legal record, how long until we see electric bikes starting to do the same to our road legal superbikes?

I asked myself that question and then asked google and apparently it has already happened:
http://newatlas.com/lightning-ls218-review-ls-218/36470/

That's a seriously quick bike and no way near as heavy as I though it would be at 225kgs. As much as I like the sound of a bike I'd love to open the taps on one of these. Charge times aren't too unreasonable either. I think a charging station at a few of the towns along the Coro GP would do you well when you stop to clear the head a bit, is this our future?

Latest PB John McGuinness column he talks about going to Japan to test the new Mugen Shinden. Seriously quick and recharges in three hours vs the last few iterations which charged overnight.

The technology (particularly) battery technology is advancing by leaps and bounds.

[PistonBlown]

0-30mph(48kph)
Nissan Leaf 3.1 seconds
Subaru WRX 1.7 seconds

[pritch]

http://newatlas.com/daymak-c5-ultimate-go-kart/49513/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=7983367372-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-7983367372-90148181

[Autech]

http://newatlas.com/daymak-c5-ultimate-go-kart/49513/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=7983367372-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-7983367372-90148181

HORY SHET! That's drag car fast!

[MarkH]

If I were a rich fucker I'd get me one of those Tesla S P100D cars - https://www.0-60specs.com/tesla-model-s-0-60-times/
Yeah - 2.28s for 0-60mph.
That's the fastest production car in the world for 0-60mph.
Can't complain about 10.5s for the quarter mile either.
If you drive at a steady 100kph you are able to go more than 550km on a charge with one of these cars, that seems pretty usable to me.
Just a pity about the price of this car . . .

[HenryDorsetCase]

If I were a rich fucker I'd get me one of those Tesla S P100D cars - https://www.0-60specs.com/tesla-model-s-0-60-times/
Yeah - 2.28s for 0-60mph.
That's the fastest production car in the world for 0-60mph.
Can't complain about 10.5s for the quarter mile either.
If you drive at a steady 100kph you are able to go more than 550km on a charge with one of these cars, that seems pretty usable to me.
Just a pity about the price of this car . . .

I was in Melbourne last month at Myers on level 6 they have a Tesla store. One of the most beautiful women I have ever seen (like, model/actress utterly stunning) was the sales chick. Because I am old and decrepit and no threat (plus it was her job I guess) she took pity on me and gave me the full tour of the luxo 7 seat SUV tesla. 700k range apparently, all the gee gaws and build quality comparable to Mercedes/Audi/VW. Also price comparative $160k AUD I think she said before extras.

I want a CZETA

[Askor]

The first gen nissan leafs are slow - the second gens have a wee bit of poke. My boss has one and it's no slouch up to 100km/h!

[onearmedbandit]

The first gen nissan leafs are slow - the second gens have a wee bit of poke. My boss has one and it's no slouch up to 100km/h!

What do you mean by second generation? From what I can see the actual second gen hasn't been released.

http://pushevs.com/2017/03/31/information-second-generation-nissan-leaf/

[Mike.Gayner]

The first gen nissan leafs are slow - the second gens have a wee bit of poke. My boss has one and it's no slouch up to 100km/h!

Again, why say things that are verifiably false?

[Mike.Gayner]

build quality comparable to Mercedes/Audi/VW.

This part isn't true, despite what the sales people tell you. These cars have proven to be riddled with QC and design issues regarding fit and finish. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone - BMW/Audi/etc have been manufacturing vehicles for generations, and even they still make mistakes. Tesla is brand new, and it will take time to establish quality.

[F5 Dave]

. .. I'll dig my wife out of the garage and report back lol
Golly this all got a bit sinister quickly.:confused:

[Askor]

Again, why say things that are verifiably false?

I said what I said based on things I have observed myself, not some bullshit I found online. I'll see if mr bossman wants to do a timed 0-100 run, in his new toy.

[JimO]

I said what I said based on things I have observed myself, not some bullshit I found online. I'll see if mr bossman wants to do a timed 0-100 run, in his new toy.
i agree with this the wrx is no slouch and this nissan gave it a good try, it looked pretty new as well

[Mike.Gayner]

LOL "I don't need your damned facts, I know what I saw".

Maybe this thread is more your style:
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/159661-Thinking-of-getting-vaccinated

[Autech]

LOL "I don't need your damned facts, I know what I saw".

Maybe this thread is more your style:
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/159661-Thinking-of-getting-vaccinated

Yeah what the fuck would Askor know about EV's anyway?
Don't be a wanker.

Also while you're busy not being a wanker please proceed with not believing all the figures on the net.
I just came across a guy who said a magazine tested the leaf and volt for accel figures using one of those test box thingys:

............LEAF Volt
0-10mph:..0.7 sec 0.8 sec
0-20:.....1.8 ..1.9
0-30:.....3.0 ..3.1
0-40:.....4.6 ..4.6
0-50:.....6.7.. 6.4
0-60:.....9.4 ..8.8
0-70:.....13.1 ..11.7
0-80:.....17.8 ..15.6
0-90:.....24.7 ..20.6
0-100:.....NA ..28.1

The 0-50mph seems reasonable, wonder why it's so much slower than the volt for the last 10mph? Of course this info could also be incorrect, cause internet.

Having drag raced a 4wd many times it's easy to see how the leaf driver could have got the jump on the WRX, very easy to bog a 4wd off the line especially if you're not expecting the little EV next to you to paste you off the lights.

[pritch]

Yeah - 2.28s for 0-60mph.
That's the fastest production car in the world for 0-60mph.


Not according to Wikipedia. "The fastest automobile in 2015 was the Porsche 918 Spyder, which is a hybrid vehicle taking 2.2 seconds to accelerate from 0 to 60."

Then again this is 2017 so there'll likely be something quicker. Us bikers will need to watch out, there are going to be cars that compete with bikes.

[Mike.Gayner]

Yeah what the fuck would Askor know about EV's anyway?
Don't be a wanker.

Also while you're busy not being a wanker please proceed with not believing all the figures on the net.
I just came across a guy who said a magazine tested the leaf and volt for accel figures using one of those test box thingys:

............LEAF Volt
0-10mph:..0.7 sec 0.8 sec
0-20:.....1.8 ..1.9
0-30:.....3.0 ..3.1
0-40:.....4.6 ..4.6
0-50:.....6.7.. 6.4
0-60:.....9.4 ..8.8
0-70:.....13.1 ..11.7
0-80:.....17.8 ..15.6
0-90:.....24.7 ..20.6
0-100:.....NA ..28.1

The 0-50mph seems reasonable, wonder why it's so much slower than the volt for the last 10mph? Of course this info could also be incorrect, cause internet.

Having drag raced a 4wd many times it's easy to see how the leaf driver could have got the jump on the WRX, very easy to bog a 4wd off the line especially if you're not expecting the little EV next to you to paste you off the lights.

0-60 is 9.4 seconds. I said 10, sorry about that, roudning and all. A WRX is, what, 6 seconds? Leaf is a slow car. End of. Why are these facts so difficult to accept? You even posted the numbers right there yourself.

[Autech]

0-60 is 9.4 seconds. I said 10, sorry about that, roudning and all. A WRX is, what, 6 seconds? Leaf is a slow car. End of. Why are these facts so difficult to accept? You even posted the numbers right there yourself.

No one said it was faster, I was just trying to explain to you in real world terms how it could appear the Leaf would give one a run. Clearly you only deal in numbers though so stick to your numbers racing, as the guy in FnF Tokyo Drift said to the guy in the Viper "Oh, you can read the brochure"

I once saw an Alpha Romeo Twin Spark destroy a brand new Shelby GT500 off the lights yet "On paper" that could never happen.

[Askor]

LOL "I don't need your damned facts, I know what I saw".

Maybe this thread is more your style:
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/159661-Thinking-of-getting-vaccinated
If you'd kindly re-read my first comment on this thread about the leaf I stated no facts or figures, I said they don't hang about off the line, based on my OWN experiences. Which you denounced, based on your almighty armchair wisdom. Then I offered to gather you some actual real world data, which you scoff at.

Have you realised you're a fucking dickhead

[Mike.Gayner]

No one said the Leaf was fast??? Look at my original post (https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/183071-Electric-Vehicles-getting-really-fast?p=1131046390#post1131046390) in this thread.

[Mike.Gayner]

Yeah what the fuck would Askor know about EV's anyway?

Not a whole lot, evidently. So you're in good company there.

[Autech]

No one said the Leaf was fast??? Look at my original post (https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/183071-Electric-Vehicles-getting-really-fast?p=1131046390#post1131046390) in this thread.

He said it was quick off the line, which as an EV it would be, faster than a WRX which wasn't launched hard I would say.

Go back to your keyboard where you feel safest racing, the real racers here are talking about real world scenarios.

[JimO]

................330959

[onearmedbandit]

Ok so I don't that a few of you here know more than me when it comes to EV's, but I'm no idiot either. And I know that a couple of you have been in them, whilst I have over 15yrs in the car industry I haven't. But every video I can find of acceleration tests online back up what the magazines have quoted. One video from an owner states that he felt the car was fast and was genuinely surprised when he measured a 0-60mph time of 10s.

So what gives?

[MarkH]

Not according to Wikipedia. "The fastest automobile in 2015 was the Porsche 918 Spyder, which is a hybrid vehicle taking 2.2 seconds to accelerate from 0 to 60."

Then again this is 2017 so there'll likely be something quicker. Us bikers will need to watch out, there are going to be cars that compete with bikes.

I don't think that the Porsche hybrid is a production car though, isn't that a very limited run model?

*googles*

Wikipedia says: The 918 Spyder is a limited edition Hypercar"
Yeah - that's not a production car.

Now, if a limited edition hypercar can accelerate from 0-60mph in 2.28s then a production car being able to do it in 2.28s is spectacularly good!
If I ever fluke a large Lotto Powerball win then I'm buying myself a fully optioned out top of the line Tesla.

[CJR]

Yes, about 5 years ago one of the final year student projects was to make a sound kit for an electric car. They recorded several nice sounding cars and used signal processing to change the frequency in proportion to the RPM.

Cheers

It was about five years ago, but it wasn't a student project. It was that awful Vince Vaughn movie, "The Dilemma".

[Autech]

Ok so I don't that a few of you here know more than me when it comes to EV's, but I'm no idiot either. And I know that a couple of you have been in them, whilst I have over 15yrs in the car industry I haven't. But every video I can find of acceleration tests online back up what the magazines have quoted. One video from an owner states that he felt the car was fast and was genuinely surprised when he measured a 0-60mph time of 10s.

So what gives?

Need a physicist to tell why but I suspect cars with high torque engage the butt dyno more?


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[PistonBlown]

Who needs a Leaf? Come to think of it, I've even beaten WRX's off the lights in my 1.6l Datsun ute. I don't think that has anything to do with it's 0-100 which is...eventually. Perhaps its because I can get to the gear lever quicker because its a column shift:-)

[F5 Dave]

Full torque from zero revs.

I'll tell you something. My slot cars from the 80s would have nailed virtually anything with wheels you'd care to line up for a race in the zero to 2metres drag race.

So, golf balls ineligible.:cool:

[Wiki Drifter]

Video of the Nurburgring lap record mentioned in OP's post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4MRydmz86E

[Autech]

Video of the Nurburgring lap record mentioned in OP's post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4MRydmz86E

Damn that's smooth!

Must be nice having linear power when you're getting out of a corner, no big lumps in the delivery causing the wheels to break loose.

To keep in on topic of bikes here's an onboard of a E-Bike at Nur:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4ZEYgQel_U

[onearmedbandit]

Not taking anything away from that lap by the EV (as it is very impressive) but it was done on slicks from what has been reported.

[Autech]

Not taking anything away from that lap by the EV (as it is very impressive) but it was done on slicks from what has been reported.

Oh really? That's a bit shit. Surely it should have been done on semi slicks if they're going for a road legal record, which they probably would still manage with the speed of that thing.

[Grumph]

Well, I'm yet to drive or ride an EV - and still to be convinced of their practicality in NZ too.

But as I've said elsewhere, if it's built as a race vehicle, I'm interested.

Still waiting for the report of the first thief who's burned trying to hot wire one....

[RDJ]

Passing thru Cali waiting for a plane - got to test ride a Zero.

I am keen to have a electric bike as my next one, but so far, the range (for the affordable consumer bikes) is still lacking.

Also, and more importantly, (a very long story cut short) I could not find out if it can be VIN'd and allowed on NZ roads...

The US dealer was happy to supply parts and advice but not a risk worth taking that it could not be road-legal.

I'm hoping Harley's Live Wire bike makes it here soon.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/bikes/67423687/suddenly-dwarfed-electric-bike-maker-zero-motorcycles-fights-back

[OddDuck]

There was a car show in Wellies not too long ago, I bumped into a bloke on a Zero who was running around on it quite happily. Plate, tags etc - it was all good.

[Autech]

There was a car show in Wellies not too long ago, I bumped into a bloke on a Zero who was running around on it quite happily. Plate, tags etc - it was all good.

Nice, wonder what it cost him all up to get in the country and registered?

[Cosmik de Bris]

Passing thru Cali waiting for a plane - got to test ride a Zero.

I am keen to have a electric bike as my next one, but so far, the range (for the affordable consumer bikes) is still lacking.

Also, and more importantly, (a very long story cut short) I could not find out if it can be VIN'd and allowed on NZ roads...

The US dealer was happy to supply parts and advice but not a risk worth taking that it could not be road-legal.

I'm hoping Harley's Live Wire bike makes it here soon.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/bikes/67423687/suddenly-dwarfed-electric-bike-maker-zero-motorcycles-fights-back

Yes, I think this VINing would be difficult at present. We built an Electric car (several actually) and the safety requirements were quite steep, even finding someone to do it and sign off. Batteries of several hundred volts are perceived to be quite a risk. What happens when you crash etc. Can someone get you out of the car safely? With a bike this isn't so bad. I'm sure once they are adopted overseas we will follow there lead.

Cheers

[Moi]

A few years ago CycleTreads [Barry's Point Rd] had at least one, possibly more, electric bike in the showroom with a price tag on it. Can't remember the details, but it did appear to be registered...

[F5 Dave]

Imagine inventing a petroleum vehicle for the first time in 2017.

"So this liquid. How many joules does it contain per litre?!?!! And you'll want to carry more than 1litre I suppose. Keep it in a simple tin container near the back. Right.

Soo. . It's not very easy to ignite is it?. . ."

[Autech]

Yes, I think this VINing would be difficult at present. We built an Electric car (several actually) and the safety requirements were quite steep, even finding someone to do it and sign off. Batteries of several hundred volts are perceived to be quite a risk. What happens when you crash etc. Can someone get you out of the car safely? With a bike this isn't so bad. I'm sure once they are adopted overseas we will follow there lead.

Cheers

Yeah can't see it being much dumber than sitting on top of 17litres of flammable material lol.

There's a fair few electric scooters on the market already so I'd imagine they'll need to follow on from what ever standards they are required to meet.

[MarkH]

I definitely see the future of cars being electric, wont take all that long either.

Motorcycles - yeah, maybe. Not so soon though, we would need some major advances in battery technology to be able to give a motorcycle a decent range. It is just so hard to get decent batteries on a smaller vehicle.
Having said that - if I had tons of money I could see myself buying a Zero Motorcycles DSR 13kWh bike for short trips around the Waikato, but longer trips would be on a petrol powered bike for the next several years at least.

[bogan]

Ok so I don't that a few of you here know more than me when it comes to EV's, but I'm no idiot either. And I know that a couple of you have been in them, whilst I have over 15yrs in the car industry I haven't. But every video I can find of acceleration tests online back up what the magazines have quoted. One video from an owner states that he felt the car was fast and was genuinely surprised when he measured a 0-60mph time of 10s.

So what gives?

Consumer level punch of acceleration right of the line makes it feel surprisingly fast. While manual and auto cars can be launched about as quick, it takes a little bit of skill, and you know its coming. EVs you just stomp or twist the go bit and it goes.

Performance hybrids are where the tech's at now, pure electrics will be where it ends up in the future.

[RDJ]

There was a car show in Wellies not too long ago, I bumped into a bloke on a Zero who was running around on it quite happily. Plate, tags etc - it was all good.

Thanks that is very useful to know! I'm gonna keep looking then...