Oil change

[Jack85]

Doing my fist ever oil change this weekend and was wondering 2 things. Should I get an oil filter from a Yamaha dealer or will one from Supercheap Auto be ok?

Secondly, the previous owner was using 10w-40 but I checked in the owners manual and it Ai ply says API service "SE", "SF" type or equivalent. I have no idea what these are? I've googled them and they look to be the quality of the oil? Could I not use better oil like SJ or SN?

Thanks

[flashg]

This is what I've used for years, it's motorcycle specific and good oil ( synthetic fortified) Perfect for your bike. Repco and Supercheap both sell it. I hope you realise you'll be paying more than what car oil costs.
Your bike has a wet clutch and must use motorcyle specific oil made for a wet clutch.
Don't be "cheap" or you'll be sorry. And don't ever run car oil, it will make your clutch slip.(not a simple fix)
Take care when tightening drain bolt and filter housing bolts, they screw into aluminium and are easily stripped.
Take your time.
Good on ya for having a go.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170523/a506e49e0e4216968967f5678307f781.jpg

[flashg]

And yes use a proper Yamaha or hiflo filter for your bike, I doubt Supercheap would stock the filter you need.

[LinkNZ]

API = American Petroleum Institute. SE and SF are some pretty old standards, don't worry too much about them. As mentioned, any motorcycle specific oil will be fine, just use the correct viscosity ie 10w40. Synthetic oil is a good idea IMO especially with winter looming.

4L Penrite 10w40 synthetic from Supercheap Auto for $40 ish on special is probably the best value oil. I was surprised to find they also stock HiFlo filters which are pretty good quality.

http://www.supercheapauto.co.nz/Product/Penrite-MC-4-Synthetic-Motorcycle-Oil-10W-40-4-Litre/519018

[Moi]

OK, may be telling you how to suck eggs...

1. take bike for a run before you start, warms the oil so it flows out easier and better than just letting the bike sit and idle - but be aware that the oil being drained will be hot when you take out the sump plug... some people will undo the sump plug and the let the sump plug drop into the oil catching container [some are clever enough to be able to pull it out of the way without getting oil all over themselves]
2. 2 or 3 litre milk bottle with side cut out a bit make good oil catchers + one of those aluminium oven baking trays under the bottle as well to catch any splashes or over flows - they'll all clean up and can be used again. How much oil does the bike have in the sump? [decide whether 2-litre or 3-litre milk bottle]
3. some rags or old newspapers, just in-case
4. something for you to knee or sit on while working, the ground is always cold
5. measuring jug for when you're ready to put the new oil in - check you have tightened, but not over tightened, the sump plug and that the oil filter is seated properly and tight = don't over tightened either, just a bit more than finger tight
6. when done, start engine and let idle for a couple of minutes and switch off, check for any drips or weeping at either the sump plug or the oil filter

There may be a utube vid that will help as well...

Cheers

[flashg]

The Scorpio uses a paper filter same style as YZF, WR, XT, TTR etc. You'll find access foot brake side of engine, (look for small roundish cover with three bolts holding it on)

[Jack85]

I went into supercheap auto to get the oil and oil filter but I couldn't find he correct filter for my bike. I asked for assistance but the woman couldn't find my bike. I've since been onto the Hiflo site but can't find my Yamaha Scorpio sx-4w 225.

Whenever I look online to try and find thenoil filter part number I can't find it, can anybody suggest why?

Thanks

[george formby]

I went into supercheap auto to get the oil and oil filter but I couldn't find he correct filter for my bike. I asked for assistance but the woman couldn't find my bike. I've since been onto the Hiflo site but can't find my Yamaha Scorpio sx-4w 225.

Whenever I look online to try and find thenoil filter part number I can't find it, can anybody suggest why?

Thanks

Scroll down to oil filter.

http://www.mrmotorcycles.co.nz/fitments/yamaha/sx4-scorpio-z-225-2012.aspx

Then write out 100 times. "I must search betterer".


Oh, pay attention to which way the oil filter is fitted, check the old one before you remove it. If it's like my TDM then it's blocked off at one end and it's a bit of a worry when you don't check....... Will it go pop? Don't ask me how I know this.

[LinkNZ]

They should have this one.

http://www.ryco.co.nz/catalogue/application/index/vehicle-type/MO/make/YAMAHA/model/SX-4+SCORPIO/series

[jellywrestler]

I went into supercheap auto to get the oil and oil filter but I couldn't find he correct filter for my bike. I asked for assistance but the woman couldn't find my bike. I've since been onto the Hiflo site but can't find my Yamaha Scorpio sx-4w 225.

Whenever I look online to try and find thenoil filter part number I can't find it, can anybody suggest why?

Thanks

supercheap don't care about bikes, your yamaha dealer will though.

[LinkNZ]

supercheap don't care about bikes, your yamaha dealer will though.

They'll take really good care of his wallet too while they're at it.

[jellywrestler]

They'll take really good care of his wallet too while they're at it.

and be expected to supply all the other parts supercheap don't bother to have.
the importers are also aware of other firms pricing on bearings and filters too so want to remain competitive
a bit like my uber ride last weekend to the chch airport, they pulled up at mcdonalds ten full minutes walk away and told me that's as far as they go, i had three bags and don't know how i made my flight, no mention before hand that that's as far as they go.

[Jack85]

Scroll down to oil filter.

http://www.mrmotorcycles.co.nz/fitments/yamaha/sx4-scorpio-z-225-2012.aspx

Then write out 100 times. "I must search betterer".


Oh, pay attention to which way the oil filter is fitted, check the old one before you remove it. If it's like my TDM then it's blocked off at one end and it's a bit of a worry when you don't check....... Will it go pop? Don't ask me how I know this.

That's great, thanks!

I also need to do my rear sprocket and chain as it's looking worn down. I take it that link you provided shows only the parts for the Scorpio? Don't want to buy a chain and sprocket that won't fit!

[Jack85]

And why does the oil filter look different than all of the other oil filters I've seen? The one in the picture on that link looks more like an air filter rather than the closed off all in one oil filters that I've seen?

As you can tell I'm very new to bikes :)

[jellywrestler]

And why does the oil filter look different than all of the other oil filters I've seen? The one in the picture on that link looks more like an air filter rather than the closed off all in one oil filters that I've seen?

As you can tell I'm very new to bikes :)

quite probably a generic photo so they don't have to photgraph every item

[george formby]

And why does the oil filter look different than all of the other oil filters I've seen? The one in the picture on that link looks more like an air filter rather than the closed off all in one oil filters that I've seen?

As you can tell I'm very new to bikes :)

It's a paper filter which sits in the engine rather than a spin on external filter like on cars n' stuff. Your bike would look silly with a dirty great car type oil filter poking out of it's motor.

Pretty sure it's the same filter as my TDM. I've been using hi-flo for eons without problems.

Try the mr motorcycles search button for your chain and sprockets, Coronation Street is starting shortly...;)

[Jack85]

I'm from London so more of an Eastenders kinda guy!

I just meant they all look like they're encapsulated in a black metal body, but the one I see there looks like it's "naked". Will that fit onto a a body to encapsulate it?

[caspernz]

I'm from London so more of an Eastenders kinda guy!

I just meant they all look like they're encapsulated in a black metal body, but the one I see there looks like it's "naked". Will that fit onto a a body to encapsulate it?

You'll find if you undo the 3 oil filter cover bolts, the filter sits trapped in behind that. So no it's not an encapsulated filter like you're used to on a car. Undo the bottom bolt of the cover to drain the oil out of the filter to start with, unless you want to clean up a bit of a mess...

[Jack85]

Ah cool, thanks!

[LinkNZ]

and be expected to supply all the other parts supercheap don't bother to have.
the importers are also aware of other firms pricing on bearings and filters too so want to remain competitive
a bit like my uber ride last weekend to the chch airport, they pulled up at mcdonalds ten full minutes walk away and told me that's as far as they go, i had three bags and don't know how i made my flight, no mention before hand that that's as far as they go.

I avoid dealers like the plague as much as I can get away with. My local Honda dealer wanted to charge me $38 for an OE oil filter (which costs USD$9.45 off Partzilla).

Another time I wanted them to order in from overseas an Alpinestars jacket which they quoted $699. They said it would take 3 months to arrive as it was coming from Italy (on a boat lol). I ended up getting the same jacket off eBay for $400 ish and it arrived 2 weeks later.

[flashg]

I avoid dealers like the plague as much as I can get away with. My local Honda dealer wanted to charge me $38 for an OE oil filter (which costs USD$9.45 off Partzilla).

Another time I wanted them to order in from overseas an Alpinestars jacket which they quoted $699. They said it would take 3 months to arrive as it was coming from Italy (on a boat lol). I ended up getting the same jacket off eBay for $400 ish and it arrived 2 weeks later.
When I had an 08 R1 the oil filter was the same as a fireblade and GSXR 1000 at the time.(how do I know ? had to use a honda one as we had no Yamaha dealer at the time) The genuine Yamaha one was cheapest $26.00. Honda know how to charge for parts, thats for sure.

[george formby]

I'm from London so more of an Eastenders kinda guy!

I just meant they all look like they're encapsulated in a black metal body, but the one I see there looks like it's "naked". Will that fit into a a body to encapsulate it?

I should really be watching Auf Wiedersehn Pet...... Fixed yer encapsulation issue.

Only external filters come in a tin. Keeps the oil in and the spooge out. Your oil filter cover will probably have an o-ring, mine has two but it's an unusual bike, two drain bolts, too, well worth checking the condition of that bad boy's ring and replacing if in doubt. A ham fisted, scabby knuckled, gibbon, may have nipped the one in there. Bolted the cover up without the o ring being seated properly. Tsk. It happens.

And remember to wipe a touch of fresh oil over your rubber bits, o-ring and filter seal so they fit nicely. Fnarr, fnarr.

Oh, and make sure your gubbins are spotless before you put it back together. Nothing an engine hates more than spotty gubbins. I mean any dirt will stop a good seal and if it's inside it may damage your engine, grit springs to mind.

[flashg]

I should really be watching Auf Wiedersehn Pet...... Fixed yer encapsulation issue.

Only external filters come in a tin. Keeps the oil in and the spooge out. Your oil filter cover will probably have an o-ring, mine has two but it's an unusual bike, two drain bolts, too, well worth checking the condition of that bad boy's ring and replacing if in doubt. A ham fisted, scabby knuckled, gibbon, may have nipped the one in there. Bolted the cover up without the o ring being seated properly. Tsk. It happens.

And remember to wipe a touch of fresh oil over your rubber bits, o-ring and filter seal so they fit nicely. Fnarr, fnarr.

Oh, and make sure your gubbins are spotless before you put it back together. Nothing an engine hates more than spotty gubbins. I mean any dirt will stop a good seal and if it's inside it may damage your engine, grit springs to mind.
I picked up some English words in that post [emoji16]

[Jack85]

4L Penrite 10w40 synthetic from Supercheap Auto for $40 ish on special is probably the best value oil. I was surprised to find they also stock HiFlo filters which are pretty good quality.

http://www.supercheapauto.co.nz/Product/Penrite-MC-4-Synthetic-Motorcycle-Oil-10W-40-4-Litre/519018


Just bought this oil and filter, just checking before I put it in...

[Jack85]

Luckily I didn't put the full suntheticnin, called the dealership and they advised that it should be semi not full synthetic and full could damage the engine?

[LinkNZ]

Luckily I didn't put the full suntheticnin, called the dealership and they advised that it should be semi not full synthetic and full could damage the engine?

No it won't, unless you have a motorcycle from the 1970s with 200,000km mileage that had been using mineral oils for all it's life.

It's a 20 minute job, just get on with it or if you are having doubts then take it to the dealer.

http://www.datateck.com.au/lube/CastrolRetailNzl/
http://www.datateck.com.au/Lube/PenriteAus/

[flashg]

Luckily I didn't put the full suntheticnin, called the dealership and they advised that it should be semi not full synthetic and full could damage the engine?
The dealer is correct.
I have a 2012 injected WR 450 from new and was told, do not use a full synthetic oil as it will cause damage.
Why are you asking people on here you don't know and have never met ?
Don't you trust your Yamaha dealer to know about what's the best oil for certain Yamaha's ?
Follow the advice of the dealer, not a bunch of guys on the internet.

[SVboy]

The dealer is correct.
I have a 2012 injected WR 450 from new and was told, do not use a full synthetic oil as it will cause damage.
Why are you asking people on here you don't know and have never met ?
Don't you trust your Yamaha dealer to know about what's the best oil for certain Yamaha's ?
Follow the advice of the dealer, not a bunch of guys on the internet.

This. Go to a Trevor Pierce Yamaha if you live in ChCh or McLlearys Yamaha if you live near Rangiora. Get the recommended oil, filter and sprocket and chain kit. Leave poorer but happier.

[pete-blen]

This. Go to a Trevor Pierce Yamaha if you live in ChCh or McLlearys Yamaha if you live near Rangiora. Get the recommended oil,


Yamalube = Motul 5100...
Cheaper in a Motul container.....

The Penrite MC 4ST 10W40 you got works well.... what i use in my bikes...
keep in mined motorbike oil has to do 3 jobs... lube the motor / have fast
squeeze out for the clutch & be able to handle the high shear loads of the gear box..
car oil only has to do one job... lube the motor..



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[Swoop]

... like my uber ride last weekend to the chch airport, they pulled up at mcdonalds ten full minutes walk away and told me that's as far as they go, i had three bags and don't know how i made my flight, no mention before hand that that's as far as they go.

Remember that Uber is "dissuaded" from entering airport property and on a global basis too.
Top Tip: If arriving at an airport overseas, look for a free hotel shuttle and hop on. Get to that hotel and then call your Uber from there!

[LinkNZ]

The dealer is correct.
I have a 2012 injected WR 450 from new and was told, do not use a full synthetic oil as it will cause damage.
Why are you asking people on here you don't know and have never met ?
Don't you trust your Yamaha dealer to know about what's the best oil for certain Yamaha's ?
Follow the advice of the dealer, not a bunch of guys on the internet.

Ah the old engine oil debate. It's ones word against another, not all dealers might give out the same advice. My brother has a WR250R that he takes to Red Baron and they say it runs fine on either mineral or synthetic but recommend the latter. Anyway, no point comparing a WR250 or WR450 to a Scorpio, apples and oranges really.

If Yamaha were 100% certain that using synthetic oil would cause damage then they would specify clearly in the owners manual not to use it or to stick with mineral only, in my opinion. Why would they leave themselves liable to damage.

I'm not saying to not follow the dealers advice but it never hurts to have a second or third opinion on things whether on the internet or other motorcycle shops or dealers. Don't be a sheep. :rolleyes: