Router Thingymabob

[R650R]

Ok so sorted most stuff for new house.

Going to need a thingy for ASDL or VSDL internet service. I see some companies give you a free one, are they any good.
Paramount importance is easy setup and maintainance and good security.
Bandwidth usage will be general stuff, uploading ccctv from security system, sporadic gaming with world of warships and whatever flatmates get up to.
What do I need and how much should I pay?
thanks

[bogan]

Get whichever one has the most RGB lights.

I mean, you can just use the free one supplied and staple gun some light-strip to it, it'll give the same performance I guess...

[Akzle]

cisco. pay as much as hurts. change default password from "admin" and you'll be sweet.
AVOID telco router.
if you plan on fibre (you might) buy one now.
More eth ports=win.
"uploading cctv" - secure that shit. open only req'd ports and de-jew the fuck out of it.

port scan your addy remotely to see what holes are gaping. or... i will

[T.W.R]

I've not long changed over to combined power & internet with Trustpower; their supplier is Chorus. I'm on unlimited broadband VDSL connection
they supplied the router, it's a NetComm NF10W has 4 ethernet ports & WIFI...usual connection speed is between 50-60Mbps through the ethernet & lowers to mid 40s on the WIFI. $59.95per month fee. Seems pretty good so far :yes:

[TheDemonLord]

cisco. pay as much as hurts. change default password from "admin" and you'll be sweet.
AVOID telco router.
if you plan on fibre (you might) buy one now.
More eth ports=win.
"uploading cctv" - secure that shit. open only req'd ports and de-jew the fuck out of it.

port scan your addy remotely to see what holes are gaping. or... i will

^^^ not bad advice

I currently role with a Draytek and it's not too shabby.

[TheDemonLord]

world of warships

I thought all the KBers except me stopped playing?

What you got in your port these days?

I've had exceptional fun with HMS Minotaur

[Gremlin]

Telco provided routers are almost universally shit. Spark's Smart Firewall or whatever it is apparently loses it's port forwarding rules on occasion, like power outage, sun rising at the wrong time etc. The kind of problems you didn't think existed... apparently they do.

I'm a fan of Draytek modems. In terms of full recommendation, it does depend on usage, budget etc. ie, for the average home user, Draytek modem with built in wifi will suffice, but as soon as you're loading it, trying to increase coverage, then a bigger solution may be required, like wireless with n or ac separate to modem. I don't make my modem do any switching, have an HP switch for that and wireless is separate to both of those. Horses for courses.

[Moise]

Some ISP-supplied routers have back doors set up so that their staff can log in remotely. Another reason to avoid.

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[R650R]

I thought all the KBers except me stopped playing?

What you got in your port these days?

I've had exceptional fun with HMS Minotaur

Busier these days but still randomly play.... Montana, Nikolai, Shimakaze are most used then sometimes Tirpitz, Hipper, Atago, Kutuzov, Nagato, Chapyev.... others in lineup too that don't really get used....

Just resurrected my Origin login and mucked around briefly with battlefield Hardline and need for speed.

Trouble with not playing often you press play and its time for some shitty 2gb game update to start downloading..... I wish IT ferkers arounbd world could just leave well enough alone......

[R650R]

Ok folks ive been googling those draytek things, seems the business but so hard to choose a particluar model.

Just like bike bits the 'next' model up always sound slike it has bells and whistsles you might need etc....

So recommendations pleae

[Akzle]

Ok folks ive been googling those draytek things, seems the business but so hard to choose a particluar model.

Just like bike bits the 'next' model up always sound slike it has bells and whistsles you might need etc....

So recommendations pleae

buy a model from last year. should last the next 8 and half the cost of the latest and greatest.

throughput is king. probably largely irrelevant in a domestic situation, but m0ar baud wins.

[TheDemonLord]

buy a model from last year. should last the next 8 and half the cost of the latest and greatest.

throughput is king. probably largely irrelevant in a domestic situation, but m0ar baud wins.

Baud?

The 1980s are calling, they want their bandwidth back lol.

but yeah - what Akzle said.

[Gremlin]

buy a model from last year. should last the next 8 and half the cost of the latest and greatest.
Not really. Some Drayteks like the Vigor120 and 130 have been available for years, price doesn't fluctuate much.

Depends where you're buying, give us the link. No point me recommending something the distributor is carrying, but you can't buy.

[Akzle]

Baud?

The 1980s are calling, they want their bandwidth back lol.

but yeah - what Akzle said.

yeah well, when the solar flare and polar shift, i'll be comms on my tincans and string while you're scratching your balls cos the wifi derpderp.

[Akzle]

Not

Depends where you're buying, give us the link. No point me recommending something the distributor is carrying, but you can't buy.

hook a nigga up cuz.

[TheDemonLord]

yeah well, when the solar flare and polar shift, i'll be comms on my tincans and string while you're scratching your balls cos the wifi derpderp.

Nope - RFC1149 Bitch.

[Akzle]

Nope - RFC1149 Bitch.

lol cunt.
nerd joke. had to websearch it

[R650R]

Not really. Some Drayteks like the Vigor120 and 130 have been available for years, price doesn't fluctuate much.

Depends where you're buying, give us the link. No point me recommending something the distributor is carrying, but you can't buy.

probably here, had good run with this outfit https://www.ascent.co.nz/search.aspx?q=draytek

Also get discount through work at leemings.....

Another question... ISP who to go with, any to avoid?

[Akzle]

probably here, had good run with this outfit https://www.ascent.co.nz/search.aspx?q=draytek

Also get discount through work at leemings.....

Another question... ISP who to go with, any to avoid?

WxC. all others are poo.

[Gremlin]

probably here, had good run with this outfit https://www.ascent.co.nz/search.aspx?q=draytek

Also get discount through work at leemings.....

Another question... ISP who to go with, any to avoid?
First thing is probably wireless. If N is sufficient, then you can spend less, but if you want AC and have a lot of devices on wireless wanting bandwidth it's probably a better choice. I cable anything needing bandwidth on the internal network and live with cheaper slower wireless.

ISP, there are about 170 in NZ. Easiest is what works for you. If you're gaming, some ISPs might suit better, I'd avoid the cheapest simply because they use crappy peering meaning more hops, higher latency, that sort of thing.

[R650R]

Went with Slingshots free supplied modem/roputer for now, getting installed Monday will see how it goes.... VDSL

[R650R]

Went with Slingshots free supplied modem/roputer for now, getting installed Monday will see how it goes.... VDSL

And its been routing and modeming its way ok. What was annoying though is that they 'book' a date to connect you and no one even visits the property, they must just flick a switch or press a button at the exchange, hit enter on keyboard or something, WTF is up with that. Why did a have to 'wait' to be connected when its seems there's no physical act carried out at property aside form modem arriving in mail....

[Akzle]

And its been routing and modeming its way ok. What was annoying though is that they 'book' a date to connect you and no one even visits the property, they must just flick a switch or press a button at the exchange, hit enter on keyboard or something, WTF is up with that. Why did a have to 'wait' to be connected when its seems there's no physical act carried out at property aside form modem arriving in mail....

"provisioning"

[Gremlin]

And its been routing and modeming its way ok. What was annoying though is that they 'book' a date to connect you and no one even visits the property, they must just flick a switch or press a button at the exchange, hit enter on keyboard or something, WTF is up with that. Why did a have to 'wait' to be connected when its seems there's no physical act carried out at property aside form modem arriving in mail....
Depends on the exchange. Don't know if they're still in the upgrade process, but yes, the latest gen are all controlled from the office, older ones need a street visit to patch through the pair, and then any wiring issues need an on-site visit.

Don't worry, I've ordered 2x DSL tails for a customer on the same site (and a few cm apart) and had them scheduled for a Tues and Thurs. Figure that out :weird:

[TheDemonLord]

And its been routing and modeming its way ok. What was annoying though is that they 'book' a date to connect you and no one even visits the property, they must just flick a switch or press a button at the exchange, hit enter on keyboard or something, WTF is up with that. Why did a have to 'wait' to be connected when its seems there's no physical act carried out at property aside form modem arriving in mail....

Back in the grim dark days when I worked for TCLol - they artificially push provisioning out by a few days in order to have enough capacity to attend emergency faults/provisioning. It's to do with Chorus and their SLAs.

It's something like Emergency phone provisioning (IE someone has a St John or Medical alarm at a new premises) > Normal phone provisioning > Anything Data Related

Gremlin is also correct that sometimes they need to do more than just flick a switch, sometimes they need to do a full cable trace (especially is the ASID that should be connected to the premises isn't)

[Gremlin]

Fastest I ever got DSL provisioned? 2hrs. Slowest Fibre? 18 months.

Pretty much everything is somewhere between that ;)

[R650R]

Also they tried to say you need to pay $250 for a chorus techy to check out if you have extra extension sockets (have 3) and an alarm with dialler.
Ferk that, skipped and no issues.

[pritch]

Strange things can cause delays.

Three adjacent houses including mine had requests in for fibre, nowt was happening. One neighbour enquired and was told that the old wooden pole they were going to use would need to be replaced sometime in future, and they didn't want to have to do the work twice. Then they found out that the pole was actually owned by Powerco so they said something like, "Fuck it, Powerco's problem", and did the three connections - in six separate visits.

[Gremlin]

Also they tried to say you need to pay $250 for a chorus techy to check out if you have extra extension sockets (have 3) and an alarm with dialler.
Ferk that, skipped and no issues.
With broadband, phone and internet run on separate frequencies, and if you have too many jacks in use (4-5 is around the decision point), it's better to have a dedicated point for broadband with an in-wall filter. Otherwise, run the little splitters on every jack point. Of course, if you have no phones, then run the modem straight into the jack point, no problem.


Strange things can cause delays.

Three adjacent houses including mine had requests in for fibre, nowt was happening. One neighbour enquired and was told that the old wooden pole they were going to use would need to be replaced sometime in future, and they didn't want to have to do the work twice. Then they found out that the pole was actually owned by Powerco so they said something like, "Fuck it, Powerco's problem", and did the three connections - in six separate visits.
There are many ways to install fibre, usually covered off during the site visit, where you sign off on the install process. In the trial phase they were going for best practise, but this provided expensive in the long run. Over time the jobs were biased to fastest speed and lowest cost unless the customer kicked up a fuss. This also included situations where they didn't move fast enough, the customer paid for the install (all to spec with right conduit etc), then Chorus expected to use it for other properties - without paying :laugh:

Fibre and copper fall under different laws, hence all affected parties needing to provide approval for install to proceed. Mostly, they seek to replace like for like, so if your delivery was overhead, then fibre is overhead. If it's off a pole, then who owns that pole (including them all trying to deny ownership). I know it was potentially going to be possible to order fibre to a pole, not sure where that's at (but would be freaken awesome and create some interesting use cases). Different telcos also have different policies. When upgrading to fibre, some pull out the old services, others leave them as is. Sometimes they encourage customers into fibre, then find out about monitored alarms / Sky / other services during install that break when copper is turned off... and the telco tries to run from the problem.

Process time varies for fibre, but only modern single properties have any chance of quick install. The rest (ROW - right of way, MDU - multi dwelling units) have consent, design, body corp for mdu (urgh), outside build, inside build and so on.

Only way it gets quick, is when it's dragged on, and one of the senior field resolution guys investigates why it's dragging on. They're great to deal with and stuff gets sorted :niceone: