They should've attended a Ride Forever course

[EJK]

Cassina will love this clip.

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What's wrong with the 3rd one?

2:34... Smart idea!!

[nzspokes]

Did the woman at 11sec Meoww? :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck me. None of those hapless cunts in that clip should be allowed anywhere near a fucking motorcycle.

[BMWST?]

rear brake ftw!

[swbarnett]

Fuck me. None of those hapless cunts in that clip should be allowed anywhere near a fucking motorcycle.
Agreed. All of them showed either a gross lack of situational awareness or basic handling skills or both.

[Gremlin]

It's like you've found the holy grail that most kids (and mothers) watch and say, oooh, motorcycles are dangerous!

What crasher said.

[BMWST?]

It's like you've found the holy grail that most kids (and mothers) watch and say, oooh, motorcycles are dangerous!

What crasher said.
the one that the idjit slid of the side whilst wheey ing continued on its way quite happily for some time

[Crasherfromwayback]

All of them showed either a gross lack of situational awareness or basic handling skills or both.

And them some. None of them had even 1/4 of a brain cell.

[T.W.R]

:facepalm: bunch of mutton fists....awwwh just give it/grab a handful lads she'll be right...dumb fucks :facepalm:

[HenryDorsetCase]

I did the first minute and a half and after full sphincter pucker and saying nonononononono out loud a few times I bailed. Shit's not cool.

[rastuscat]

The tosser on the Ducati at 2:34 thought he'd wind a motorist up by revving his bike.

Then he snatched at his front brake, like a total fool, and down he went.

Totally predictable.

[rastuscat]

Join me for a course on how not to end up on You Tube.

[Gremlin]

Join me for a course on how not to end up on You Tube.
Can I pass your course if I say: Don't use a GoPro?

[AllanB]

The tosser on the Ducati at 2:34 thought he'd wind a motorist up by revving his bike.

Then he snatched at his front brake, like a total fool, and down he went.

Totally predictable.


His big mistake was running stock pipes ..... bawahahahhahahaha



Well, half that shit just amazes me - some people eh?

I was most impressed early on how far the yellow bike went without a rider - until it encountered the concrete wall. That fucked it.

[T.W.R]

I love the one at 13secs in....fuck if the ones filming could spot the car that far away what the fuck was the guy on the bike doing :scratch:



The tosser on the Ducati at 2:34 thought he'd wind a motorist up by revving his bike.


This muppet takes the cake....lord of the throttle jockeys :laugh:


https://youtu.be/EobzyXLLFgw

And this bloke seriously needs to take a look at his own riding


https://youtu.be/Gk0hEBXNkRI


Sure they both have some interesting moments but jesus those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :no:

[Ocean1]

I did the first minute and a half and after full sphincter pucker and saying nonononononono out loud a few times I bailed. Shit's not cool.

Same.

Only I got sidetracked by the dirt bike fail compilation next door, which I figured had to be a little less of a botty workout.

And featured an obviously fractured radius/ulna within the first 10 seconds.

[FJRider]

Sure they both have some interesting moments but jesus those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :no:

A very large portion of all of the vid's shown in this thread ... are pure "Cassina" moments. "I'm in the right so I'll be ok" .... :facepalm:

Aside from that ... the rest is just your average day in Auckland traffic ... :shifty:

[T.W.R]

A very large portion of all of the vid's shown in this thread ... are pure "Cassina" moments. "I'm in the right so I'll be ok" .... :facepalm:

Aside from that ... the rest is just your average day in Auckland traffic ... :shifty:

I saw earlier that it has had a nosey at the thread :laugh: probably should be renamed the Cassina files :facepalm:

That throttle jockey is a Melbourne local so pretty close to Aucks :laugh:

[ellipsis]

That throttle jockey is a Melbourne local so pretty close to Aucks :laugh:

...he hopes I don't have a licence to ride a bike...

[Zedder]

I did the first minute and a half and after full sphincter pucker and saying nonononononono out loud a few times I bailed. Shit's not cool.


Heh, at least the cat at the end had things under control. No dogs appeared to have been bowled though...

[Berries]

Love the horn work on the last video.

I'm kind of thinking that relying on the horn and even upgrading it to a louder one is a bit Go Pro ish. I know all the Stebel lovers on KB will hate that but I have always thought that if you have time to use the horn then you have time to move out of harms way, as shown quite well on this video. Stuck behind a vehicle when their reverse lights come on is the only time I can think of that a horn has any real value other than as an audible middle finger.

[swbarnett]

I have always thought that if you have time to use the horn then you have time to move out of harms way, as shown quite well on this video. Stuck behind a vehicle when their reverse lights come on is the only time I can think of that a horn has any real value other than as an audible middle finger.
Or when travelling at the same speed as someone in the next lane that thinks you're just a hole in the traffic.

[caspernz]

Can I pass your course if I say: Don't use a GoPro?

I suspect that's the very first lesson :killingme

[Moi]

Paging Darwin to a road nearby...


"Oh, look! That car's starting to pull out. Don't think he's seen me. I'll sound my horn and almost ride into the side of it!"

[nzspokes]

I love the one at 13secs in....fuck if the ones filming could spot the car that far away what the fuck was the guy on the bike doing :scratch:




This muppet takes the cake....lord of the throttle jockeys :laugh:



And this bloke seriously needs to take a look at his own riding




Sure they both have some interesting moments but jesus those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones :no:

Fuck me. Yes the drivers are doing stupid things but for gods sake WTF are the riders doing?

All about getting good footage is all I can guess.

[Zedder]

I know all the Stebel lovers on KB will hate that but I have always thought that if you have time to use the horn then you have time to move out of harms way, as shown quite well on this video.


Swerving and Stebelling are probably a good combination then.

[BMWST?]

a loud horn is a bloody good way to wake some of these dreamers up.It is a way to try and modify THEIR behaviour.But it is not a substitue for observation and positioning

[KawasakiKid]

Swerving and Stebelling are probably a good combination then.

Anybody that uses a horn (even a loud Stebel) as a first line of defence needs to give up motorcycling. In 45 years and millions of km I have never felt the need to use a horn when riding.

[mulletman]

Horns are great to use when those slow moving Hawkes that are having a feed of roadkill need to hurry the fuck off :(

[FJRider]

No necessarily they could be speeding, drunk or on drugs.

Or stupid. Hence the "Cassina" tag in my post ... <_<

[Zedder]

a loud horn is a bloody good way to wake some of these dreamers up.It is a way to try and modify THEIR behaviour.


Yes, they're good as a means of "education".

[Zedder]

In 45 years and millions of km I have never felt the need to use a horn when riding.


That's quite incongruous given your location is listed as Italy, where using a vehicle horn is part of their culture.

[KawasakiKid]

That's quite incongruous given your location is listed as Italy, where using a vehicle horn is part of their culture.

Not Italian by birth

[Zedder]

Not Italian by birth


That's not relevant. It was clearly told to us, as tourists, that we were meant to sound the horn as a warning on sharp corners just like the Italians do.

[Zedder]

Horns are great to use when those slow moving Hawkes that are having a feed of roadkill need to hurry the fuck off :(


A guy on here, interestingly enough called Roadkill, reckoned being hit by a hawk felt like a "sack of sticks".

[KawasakiKid]

That's not relevant. It was clearly told to us, as tourists, that we were meant to sound the horn as a warning on sharp corners just like the Italians do.

Haha doesn't happen. Only really in traffic jams then most sit on the horn

[Zedder]

Haha doesn't happen. Only really in traffic jams then most sit on the horn


Rubbish, we drove the Amalfi coast and it happened often. In the cities, there's a whole range of horn sounds used.

[KawasakiKid]

Rubbish, we drove the Amalfi coast and it happened often. In the cities, there's a whole range of horn sounds used.

So you've been a tourist down the busy Amalfi Coast. It is not typical. I live in Italy over 30 years and travel the world quite regular. No more horns in Italy than elsewhere you watch too many movies and talk shit. You want horns and bad driving, go to Russia

[Zedder]

So you've been a tourist down the busy Amalfi Coast. It is not typical. I live in Italy over 30 years and travel the world quite regular. No more horns in Italy than elsewhere you watch too many movies and talk shit. You want horns and bad driving, go to Russia

Haha, you're the one full of it. I don't even think you've been there.

We toured Italy for 6 weeks, here's an example of the research we did before going (hint, there's vehicle horns involved under Beep! Beep!): https://voomago.com/do-you-think-youre-cut-out-to-drive-in-italy/

[pritch]

other than as an audible middle finger.

You got there in the end. Most times I use the Stebel it's after I've avoided whatever situation developed. In many such instances the driver may well be blissfully unaware that they caused a problem. That's why I call it a, "Wake the fuck up!" horn.

[Honest Andy]

Most times I use the Stebel it's after I've avoided whatever situation developed.

yep, that's me too. I'm always too busy dealing with not crashing to bother with the horn till after. Why do those yanks think it's better to trust the idiot who caused the problem to fix it just because they hear a horn? Fuck that, the time it takes to toot the horn could be the difference between crashing or riding away angry...

[T.W.R]

Horns are hopeless against those halfwits you see wearing headphones in cars :oi-grr:
And the point of using them it's a follow-up action...there's more important things to be thinking about in the actual moment of action

[Night Falcon]

Had a sphincter clencher on Saturday....hit something on the road post 117kph which induced a tank-slapper. Totally wasn't expecting it but got through it ok, backed off ever so slightly on the throttle and it came right. Thought for a moment it was all over ....again :facepalm:. Don't know what I hit....maybe aqua-planed on some water but wasnt going that fast? Anywho.... stuff can happen to any of us any time.

[rastuscat]

backed off ever so slightly on the throttle and it came right.

You slowed down and it was safer?

You're on KB. Faster is always safer.

You.must be new.

[Night Falcon]

You slowed down and it was safer?

You're on KB. Faster is always safer.

You.must be new.

:laugh: not that new anymore....done my time in the KB ring :Pokey::girlfight::calm::whistle:

[MVnut]

Haha, you're the one full of it. I don't even think you've been there.

We toured Italy for 6 weeks, here's an example of the research we did before going (hint, there's vehicle horns involved under Beep! Beep!): https://voomago.com/do-you-think-youre-cut-out-to-drive-in-italy/


You're a fuckwit. A 6 week tour and a website or 2 and you know it all eh?

I've ridden in Italy a fair bit in the last 15 or so years, don't think I heard a horn outside of busy city traffic. The driving habit you should have researched is 'cutting corners', that is quite common.

[Zedder]

You're a fuckwit. A 6 week tour and a website or 2 and you know it all eh?

I've ridden in Italy a fair bit in the last 15 or so years, don't think I heard a horn outside of busy city traffic. The driving habit you should have researched is 'cutting corners', that is quite common.


Where did I write that I knew it all? I wrote what we experienced while there.

[MVnut]

Where did I write that I knew it all? I wrote what we experienced while there.


Well you think you know more than someone who has lived there many years and called them a liar outright, you reference some internet links to back up your tiny first hand knowledge. "Italians sit on the horn all day every day" you were advised? ...it is called propaganda (exaggeration for the masses)......think I'll stick with the 'fuckwit' impression I quickly formed of you

[Zedder]

Well you think you know more than someone who has lived there many years and called them a liar outright, you reference some internet links to back up your tiny first hand knowledge. "Italians sit on the horn all day every day" you were advised? ...it is called propaganda (exaggeration for the masses)......think I'll stick with the 'fuckwit' impression I quickly formed of you

How do you know they live there? Where did I call them a liar?

The links were research prior to our going as stated earlier. Also, the car rental company made it clear we should do what the locals do. Were they wrong? Not in our experience.

[ellipsis]

...take that shovel from him...he is just digging a bigger hole...

[Zedder]

...take that shovel from him...he is just digging a bigger hole...


So, you don't think it's questionable that someone writes on here that they've never, "in 45 years and millions of kms", felt the need to use a vehicle horn and they're supposedly from Italy, a country well known for horn usage?

[onearmedbandit]

Oh dear...this is becoming embarrassing...

[ellipsis]

...I dont even know where my horn is these days...something to do with age, I think, or is it that I'm not Italian enough...

[onearmedbandit]

...I dont even know where my horn is these days...something to do with age, I think, or is it that I'm not Italian enough...

I was at a friends business the other day, gave one of his employees a lift to pick up a vehicle. At a set of lights the driver in front hadn't realised the lights had changed, I waited for a few seconds then gave a short beep of the horn. My friends employee, who is Indian, asked me if we only use the horn when someone has made a mistake. Apparently where he comes from in India they use their horn continually. I asked him why, he said to just let other road users know where they are. Must be bedlam.

[T.W.R]

Apparently where he comes from in India they use their horn continually. I asked him why, he said to just let other road users know where they are. Must be bedlam.

:shutup: The daily grind https://cdnimg.in/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Traffic-Chaos.jpg?2bbdf3

[Jeff Sichoe]

ok enough pics of auckland already!

[Night Falcon]

I like to give other motorists a "thank you" bleep on the horn after they've pulled over to let me go past.....but then I was raised to be polite.....unlike a lot motorcyclists on KB it seems:bleh:

[rastuscat]

https://youtu.be/scFQkauImY4

Indian motorcycle examples.

[swbarnett]

I'm always too busy dealing with not crashing to bother with the horn till after.
My thumb is naturally right by the horn button. There's no extra effort or time involved to use the horn. Why not get both parties to the incident working on a solution if possible? After all, we're not riding gods, it is just slightly possible that one day we'll fuck up the avoidance manoeuvre.

Then there's a minor incident I had recently that could well have been fatal if I hadn't used my horn. A truck tapped me from behind at a stop (I was stationary) when they thought I'd gone. Without my horn they would likely have rolled over the top of me.

[awayatc]

The whole horn debate seems a bit strange to me....

You need one for your wof , so it is obviously concidered to be an essential part to safely operate your vehicle.

You may have different opinions as to when and how that horn should be used .
But I can't understand that you then wouldn't want to have the best/loudest horn available - so that when you really NEED to use it, you at least have a chance of getting heard....

Anything less is just not good enough....

[rastuscat]

It's a reflection of our attitude toward driving/riding in general.

In some countries folk are mature enough when operating vehicles to use the horn as a warning device. If they are are about to interact with another road user and suspect the other road user may not have seen them, a small blip on the horn will alert that other road user as to their presence.

When cycling I'd be happy to have vehicles coming up behind me do just that. It's hard to see cars cling from behind.

Thing is, in this country the horn is a thing to express anger. Like "BLOODY CYCLIST GET OUT OF MY WAY" sort of thing. Which is where the loudest horn possible becomes cherished. So we can express anger as loudly as possible.

It's kind of a penis extension.

The only time the horn on my bike gets use is at WoF inspections and in my pre ride checks.

One day we might all grow up. Until then there are Stebel air horns.

[awayatc]

Fair comment..

I see it more like my fire extinguisher. ...

I have never used it in anger.

But IF I ever want to use it...
I want it to work well.

Not just a token gesture

[T.W.R]

It's a reflection of our attitude toward driving/riding in general.

In some countries folk are mature enough when operating vehicles to use the horn as a warning device. If they are are about to interact with another road user and suspect the other road user may not have seen them, a small blip on the horn will alert that other road user as to their presence.

When cycling I'd be happy to have vehicles coming up behind me do just that. It's hard to see cars cling from behind.

Thing is, in this country the horn is a thing to express anger. Like "BLOODY CYCLIST GET OUT OF MY WAY" sort of thing. Which is where the loudest horn possible becomes cherished. So we can express anger as loudly as possible.

It's kind of a penis extension.


Horns were once that here too, just a warning device to alert other road users :yes: It's only morphed into a device of anger...
and that's only due to the reaction it receives due to arrogance & ego
once it'd be hey hello have a look you aren't the only one here, now it's: OI! open ya fuckin eyes! or what the fuck do ya think you're doin! or use ya fuckin mirrors ya blind @#%@!
Once the reaction was Oh hey sorry, now it's: What? ah fuck you! or fuck off arsehole!, or worse

And as for cyclists...as an example: if you struck a bunch riding say around the Summit rd of old if spotted early enough a quick toot would have them look for you & then drop into single file....no problems. Now strike a bunch of M.A.M.I.Ls say around the bays etc its more come right up on them as they hog the whole road give them a blast and 9/10 times it instant fee wheeling looking back mouths flapping flat some profanity and a mix of hand gestures.

Use of a horn in this day & age can kick off some interesting forms of road rage and it's all just due to arrogance & ego :facepalm:

[Ocean1]

Thing is, in this country the horn is a thing to express anger. Like "BLOODY CYCLIST GET OUT OF MY WAY" sort of thing. Which is where the loudest horn possible becomes cherished. So we can express anger as loudly as possible.


Horns were once that here too, just a warning device to alert other road users :yes: It's only morphed into a device of anger...
and that's only due to the reaction it receives due to arrogance & ego

I'm pretty sure you'll find that change correlates to increases in traffic density. People get righteously fucked off when presented with the results of unplanned transport infrastructure.

And no matter what your reason for using a horn a loud one is better than otherwise.

[swbarnett]

When cycling ... It's hard to see cars cling from behind.
Get some mirrors!


The only time the horn on my bike gets use is at WoF inspections and in my pre ride checks.
I use my horn mostly as a gentle reminder when someone tries to change lanes on to me on the AKL motorway (getting less and less frequent I'm pleased to say). It doesn't really bother me that people do this. They make a mistake, like any human, hear the horn and move back. What really gets me going is the fuckwits that don't react in the slightest even when my twin stebel disk horns* are right by their window. That's the only time I wish I had a horn loud enough to break their eardrums. The desire never lasts long enough for me to do anything about it though.



*Louder than stock but not obnoxiously so.

[ellipsis]

...I only use my horn on the Sportster on dark, lonely, nights in the middle of nowhere but only 'cos some silly cunt in the design and layout dept put it next to the headlight, dip/high beam switch, and to the wrong fucking side, so that you have to reach the thumb over the horn to dip the lights...fucking idiots...

[T.W.R]

...I only use my horn on the Sportster on dark, lonely, nights in the middle of nowhere but only 'cos some silly cunt in the design and layout dept put it next to the headlight, dip/high beam switch, and to the wrong fucking side, so that you have to reach the thumb over the horn to dip the lights...fucking idiots...

or is that really because the lights are shit and it's in bat mode using echo location :lol:

[caspernz]

or is that really because the lights are shit and it's in bat mode using echo location :lol:

In the Harley accessory catalogue there's gotta be an optional extra forward pointing bugle thingee that you can fit to the exhaust? This way when you hear "potato-potato" at increasing frequency you may need to alter course slightly...like a basic version of collision avoidance technology :devil2:

[Viking01]

Have just come home from doing the weekly grocery shopping (in the Corolla), and was a little surprised
just how impatient some people have become.

Was sitting in neutral at an intersection, with my hand on the gear stick waiting for the lights to change.
The cycle time on this intersection is not particularly long, but you can still get a few cars through if
you don't dawdle.

I saw the lights go green, and literally within one second (before I could shift to Drive), I get a solid
'Beep' from the driver behind (an older gentleman in an SUV) advising me that the lights had indeed
changed, and will I get a move on. Really ?

I did resist the use of an unapproved road signal, but I did then make a point of having a good nosey
in the rear view mirror first (to verify the source of said horn blast), and then happened to visibly take
my time selecting "Drive". As it was, it turned Orange just as I was going through the intersection, and
he followed me through on the Orange / Red.

Must check if there is a Red Light camera on that intersection the next time I go back that way.

Hope that the message wasn't lost on the driver ......

[Honest Andy]

Hope that the message wasn't lost on the driver ......

Eeeeexcellent... Retaliation: and so road rage was born... :clap:


:msn-wink:

[caspernz]

Hope that the message wasn't lost on the driver ......


Eeeeexcellent... Retaliation: and so road rage was born... :clap:


:msn-wink:

It's essentially a silent message.

As a trucker I find it frustrating how few people seem to understand the "indicating at roundabout" stuff. So when I'm approaching a roundabout, intending to go straight ahead, with a car approaching from my 12 o'clock and not signaling any intentions I calmly roll onto the roundabout. At times this then results in the car driver indicating as he/she turns the wheel, only to find their path now blocked by a big truck. Invariably the beep-beep at the trailer makes me perform this thoroughfare at a relaxed pace. The silent message...

If this creates road rage, hopefully it reaches the point where said car driver will consult this wonderful bit of publishing called the Road Code...for some of us follow it :bleh:

[old slider]

In the Harley accessory catalogue there's gotta be an optional extra forward pointing bugle thingee that you can fit to the exhaust? This way when you hear "potato-potato" at increasing frequency you may need to alter course slightly...like a basic version of collision avoidance technology :devil2:

Lol, your regularly getting overtaken by Harley Davidsons?

[T.W.R]

hopefully it reaches the point where said car driver will consult this wonderful bit of publishing called the Road Code...

Rode Code :scratch: That's a bonus extra some find in amongst the weetbix where they find their licences isn't it :lol:

[ellipsis]

...back when I got my car licence, early '70s, the Road Code was a fairly good little book with real information and clearly set out enough that it was not confusing and had a few tips in it that were the core of sensible driving. The best tip for me was the one about situational awareness, but words like that were not used. It was just a :Tip:, with diagrams, such as 'look everywhere when approaching an intersection' or other such not very hard to understand advice...

[T.W.R]

This was from a safety campaign in OZ

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=308675&d=1423119480

[rastuscat]

Get some mirrors!

Not going to happen. In the same way that front number plates on motorbikes won't happen.

[eldog]

I'm pretty sure you'll find that change correlates to increases in traffic density. People get righteously fucked off when presented with the results of unplanned transport infrastructure.

And no matter what your reason for using a horn a loud one is better than otherwise.

Try the traffic in Bangkok, huge amounts of people going about their way, small toots every one seemed to merge-make way for others. It was like a huge twisting and turning snake. Good to watch and travel in. Everyone just gets on with it.

similar in Rome, huge amounts of scooters, sometimes 5 abreast all zooming about the place. Not a good place to be a pedestrian I can say. Took my own life in my hands crossing the road several times.

or in Guangzhou, really funny place to be a passenger, all exciting driving ability, every road can have multi directional traffic, even motorway off ramps used as on ramps (6people in car). It's a place where if you can't read or speak the local lingo, $ goes a long way.
did see the result of a motorbike accident (car in wrong) not pleasant, but not too serious.

most of these above places horns used mostly to indicate the tooters presence, and they may want to move over a lane.

lately I am finding myself, just chilling while I drive, letting people in, etc.
the horn is only used for danger or look out I am over here.
must be getting older:weird:

many of these videos show how important situational awareness, bike/rider ability and being able to deal with events is.

good to review some of these, as I start to get complacent again.

theres several on u tube, English country side with large tractor and a mbike. One the tractor suddenly turns right, gets me every time.

i assume that's what riding schools also teach, along with riding skills.

[GazzaH]

A tractor turning right without signalling wiped out the owner of a bike shop where I used to live. Sent shock waves through the whole community - customers and beyond. It happened on a road I used daily, just out of the village. Made me think.

[swbarnett]

Not going to happen. In the same way that front number plates on motorbikes won't happen.
Those two are definitely not the same. For me a mirror (at least one on the right) is an essential piece of kit for any bicycle. Without it a cyclist can't claim to have anywhere near to full situational awareness. It is my firm belief that at least some of the "hit from behind" cyclist deaths could've been avoided by the proper use of this simple device.

The only possible reasons I can figure out for not having a mirror is ignorance or arrogance.

[nzspokes]

Those two are definitely not the same. For me a mirror (at least one on the right) is an essential piece of kit for any bicycle. Without it a cyclist can't claim to have anywhere near to full situational awareness. It is my firm belief that at least some of the "hit from behind" cyclist deaths could've been avoided by the proper use of this simple device.

The only possible reasons I can figure out for not having a mirror is ignorance or arrogance.

Clearly you know nothing about cyclists.:facepalm:

[swbarnett]

Clearly you know nothing about cyclists.:facepalm:
Please enlighten me. I have been a commuting cyclist in the past for enough years to beg to differ but I am genuinely interested in your take on this. Why do cyclists not use mirrors?

I own a bicycle. So far I haven't used it nearly as much as I would like (bought it just as winter was coming on). One of the first things I put on it was a mirror. Works well.

I commuted by bicycle from Mangere to Mt Albert for several years in the mid '90s. I didn't have a mirror simply because I didn't know such a thing existed i.e. my excuse was ignorance (and probably a little arrogance thrown in). There were numerous times when a mirror would've been extremely useful. As it was I relied on the good driving of others far too often. My rearward situational awareness was abysmal.

[rastuscat]

Please enlighten me. I have been a commuting cyclist in the past for enough years to beg to differ but I am genuinely interested in your take on this. Why do cyclists not use mirrors?

I own a bicycle. So far I haven't used it nearly as much as I would like (bought it just as winter was coming on). One of the first things I put on it was a mirror. Works well.

I commuted by bicycle from Mangere to Mt Albert for several years in the mid '90s. I didn't have a mirror simply because I didn't know such a thing existed i.e. my excuse was ignorance (and probably a little arrogance thrown in). There were numerous times when a mirror would've been extremely useful. As it was I relied on the good driving of others far too often. My rearward situational awareness was abysmal.

There's a difference between commuting cyclists and sports cyclists. In the same way that trials riders are different from track riders.

Commuters are likely to value mirrors, but any self respecting MAMIL will be laughed off the Sunday ride if they turn up with mirrors on.

[ellipsis]

but any self respecting MAMIL will be laughed off the Sunday ride if they turn up with mirrors on.


...and wearing lycra with your nuts hanging out is, 'self respecting'?...

[nzspokes]

Please enlighten me. I have been a commuting cyclist in the past for enough years to beg to differ but I am genuinely interested in your take on this. Why do cyclists not use mirrors?

I own a bicycle. So far I haven't used it nearly as much as I would like (bought it just as winter was coming on). One of the first things I put on it was a mirror. Works well.

I commuted by bicycle from Mangere to Mt Albert for several years in the mid '90s. I didn't have a mirror simply because I didn't know such a thing existed i.e. my excuse was ignorance (and probably a little arrogance thrown in). There were numerous times when a mirror would've been extremely useful. As it was I relied on the good driving of others far too often. My rearward situational awareness was abysmal.

Your forward situational awareness seems to have problems as well.:brick:

One of the commonly sold cycle accessories are mirrors. Bar end, helmet etc.

[nzspokes]

but any self respecting MAMIL will be laughed off the Sunday ride if they turn up with mirrors on.

Disagree. Even back when I was racing a good few used mirrors. Most people wouldnt notice a bar end one.

Its a good way to see if someone is not doing there pulls at the front when they are not really tired.

[pritch]

I like to give other motorists a "thank you" bleep on the horn after they've pulled over to let me go past.....but then I was raised to be polite.....unlike a lot motorcyclists on KB it seems:bleh:

The horn could be misinterpreted, I wave if somebody does something helpful. (OK, I know, loaded comment. :whistle:)

I don't know how you draw any rational conclusion about how polite people are when that is irrelevant to the topic of conversation.

[pritch]

It's a reflection of our attitude toward driving/riding in general.

In some countries folk are mature enough when operating vehicles to use the horn as a warning device. If they are are about to interact with another road user and suspect the other road user may not have seen them, a small blip on the horn will alert that other road user as to their presence.

When cycling I'd be happy to have vehicles coming up behind me do just that. It's hard to see cars cling from behind.

Thing is, in this country the horn is a thing to express anger. Like "BLOODY CYCLIST GET OUT OF MY WAY" sort of thing. Which is where the loudest horn possible becomes cherished. So we can express anger as loudly as possible.

It's kind of a penis extension.

The only time the horn on my bike gets use is at WoF inspections and in my pre ride checks.

One day we might all grow up. Until then there are Stebel air horns.

That's right up there with your comment on aftermarket levers. I'm starting to think you might be related to Cassina. :innocent:

[rastuscat]

That's right up there with your comment on aftermarket levers. I'm starting to think you might be related to Cassina. :innocent:

Distantly, I hope.

[awayatc]

...and wearing lycra with your nuts hanging out is, 'self respecting'?...

Wearing lycra and having balls are mutually exclusive. ...

[swbarnett]

There's a difference between commuting cyclists and sports cyclists. In the same way that trials riders are different from track riders.

Commuters are likely to value mirrors, but any self respecting MAMIL will be laughed off the Sunday ride if they turn up with mirrors on.
There shouldn't be a difference. The same equipment is required for cruisers and Rossi wannabes if they're on the road so why not for different kinds of cyclists?

[swbarnett]

Your forward situational awareness seems to have problems as well.:brick:
I'm honestly not sure what you mean by this?


One of the commonly sold cycle accessories are mirrors. Bar end, helmet etc.
Well that's an eye opener.


Even back when I was racing a good few used mirrors.
And so is this.

Maybe it's just me but I've looked many times and I've never seen a race type cyclist on the road with a mirror.


Most people wouldnt notice a bar end one.
This could be why.

Looks like I may have gotten the wrong end of the stick and I'm very happy if I'm wrong and mirrors on bicycles are more common than I've observed.

[nzspokes]

I rode my bicycle to work today through peak hour for 26ks.

Being the rebel I am I didn't have a mirror. I didn't pay rego on my bicycle. I didn't die.....

[Honest Andy]

I rode my bicycle to work today through peak hour for 26ks.

Being the rebel I am I didn't have a mirror. I didn't pay rego on my bicycle. I didn't die.....

Ahh but did you wear high viz?
:cool:

[Maha]

Maybe it's just me but I've looked many times and I've never seen a race type cyclist on the road with a mirror.


Professionals no amateurs possibly. Similar to a full race kit motorcycle and a track day motorbike.

[nzspokes]

Ahh but did you wear high viz?
:cool:

I did, mainly as my rain coat is hiviz and it was moist when I left.

[Honest Andy]

I did, mainly as my rain coat is hiviz and it was moist when I left.

See? That's why you're still alive. It's the same on construction sites, when using power tools on a ladder in a confined space under a crane on the top floor while standing in a puddle in a 30k zone... the only thing between you and certain death is your high viz!

[nzspokes]

Made it home again. 50 odd Ks and i didnt die due to not having a mirror.

[swbarnett]

Made it home again. 50 odd Ks and i didnt die due to not having a mirror.
Of course. Like any "safety device" it's not going to be "necessary" all the time. I just think wonder why, when every other road going vehicle legally requires at least one mirror, bicycles don't. Especially when some cyclists are complaining about being hit from behind.

BTW: I once heard a truckie say that it was perfectly acceptable that he had massive blind spots and that it was the cyclists responsibility to keep out of them. If a driver has a blind spot that they can't get to with a head check they need more mirrors. Yes, I agree that every road user should look out for themselves but this attitude is inexcusable.

[rastuscat]

Just a side bar on the mirror issue.

People who turn up with only one mirror have to head check whenever a mirror check would have sufficed to meet the CBTA standard.