Cyclespot Yamaha, no longer Honda [Archive]

LinkNZ

3rd July 2017, 11:38

Old Steve

3rd July 2017, 16:57

How does that affect Cycletreads down the road? Don't they have a lot of Yamahas?

Scubbo

3rd July 2017, 18:44

Botany Honda are good lads, if you need parts/help/service still

nzspokes

3rd July 2017, 19:14

http://www.hondamotorbikes.co.nz/dealers/
https://www.yamaha-motor.co.nz/dealers/all/motorcycle

Going to be interesting now with Motorcycle Central and Cyclespot just metres apart and no Honda dealers on Barrys Point Road anymore.

I doubt it will be that long before a Honda shop pops up somewhere central. And I doubt Motorcycle central will carry on with Yamaha.

A Yamaha shop in Auckland has never lasted as far as I know.

Maybe Botany Honda could go somewhere a bit easier to get to?

Gremlin

3rd July 2017, 19:17

Maybe Botany Honda could go somewhere a bit easier to get to?
Maybe you should move closer. :bleh:

It's perfectly placed, and they're also closer to the airport for the rental side they host for a tour company.

JimO

3rd July 2017, 19:42

hasnt been a honda dealer in DN for years

nzspokes

3rd July 2017, 19:48

hasnt been a honda dealer in DN for years

Thats of no surprise.

scott411

6th July 2017, 08:40

I doubt it will be that long before a Honda shop pops up somewhere central. And I doubt Motorcycle central will carry on with Yamaha.

A Yamaha shop in Auckland has never lasted as far as I know.

Maybe Botany Honda could go somewhere a bit easier to get to?

Red Baron have been yamaha for a long time, but there has been a lot come and go in the last 15 years,

nzspokes

6th July 2017, 08:51

Red Baron have been yamaha for a long time, but there has been a lot come and go in the last 15 years,

They are not a single agency store though. I would say the days of multi agency shops are close to an end. It would not surprise me if the wholesalers start side stepping retailers and open there own stores.

pritch

6th July 2017, 10:30

I would say the days of multi agency shops are close to an end.

In Auckland perhaps. Nationally the trend might be in the other direction. Melbourne is bigger than Auckland though and they have Peter Stevens Motorcycles which sells: Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Triumph, KTM and MV. It's like Alladin's cave in there.

The New Plymouth Motorcycle Centre has Suzuki, Kawasaki, Triumph, and KTM. There is a Honda dealer and a Yamaha dealer here but both of those have new owners and the Yamaha dealer seems to change hands fairly regularly.

In the provinces it's the farm sales that keep the dealers in business, if they aren't selling Japanese four wheelers they won't survive for long. I wouldn't be expecting to see a Ducati or Harley dealership open anytime soon, although we did have a Moto Morini agency - briefly.

Cosmik de Bris

6th July 2017, 10:58

scott411

6th July 2017, 15:20

They are not a single agency store though. I would say the days of multi agency shops are close to an end. It would not surprise me if the wholesalers start side stepping retailers and open there own stores.

i think the exact opposite, look at the shops that are going well and they are multi franchise, NZ is the only place with the stupid rule of single franchise dealers, and some of the distributors have sent some good people down the drain
by pushing single franchise onto them

Mike.Gayner

6th July 2017, 15:36

NZ is the only place with the stupid rule of single franchise dealers

Well that's just not true.

scott411

6th July 2017, 17:09

Well that's just not true.

where else is this not the case, in the UK, Aussie Canada and the US all have multi line dealerships, some with all 4 japanese brands in the same building,

AllanB

6th July 2017, 21:40

Christchurch's shops

Honda, Ducati, MV, Royal Enfield

Suzuki, BMW

Triumph, Moto Guzzi and some other oddities

Harley Davidson (sole)

Yamaha (sole)

Kawasaki, Hyosung

Mike.Gayner

6th July 2017, 22:24

where else is this not the case, in the UK, Aussie Canada and the US all have multi line dealerships, some with all 4 japanese brands in the same building,

Dealerships globally are being pressured into single-marque models. There are multi brand dealerships all over NZ too, so I don't quite know what point you're trying to make.

Crasherfromwayback

6th July 2017, 23:41

. It would not surprise me if the wholesalers start side stepping retailers and open there own stores.

Never gonna happen Bro.

JimO

7th July 2017, 06:52

Thats of no surprise.
why do you say that?

nzspokes

7th July 2017, 07:05

Never gonna happen Bro.

Why not?

Motorcycle industry seems very stuck in the 80s in regards to company structures. Many other industries are going and have gone this way. Big problem in a place like NZ is getting showroom floor space, this solves that problem.

scott411

7th July 2017, 07:10

Never gonna happen Bro.

im not so sure on this, I have heard rumours that Honda may do this in Auckland,

eldog

7th July 2017, 07:22

NZ market place too small and widely diverse

Having complementary motorcycle brands would be nice under the one roof.

Ducati, BMW, HD

Having stock on the floor and well present with good staff/service people goes a long way.

NZders always looking for cheap does damage it.

Rural/local service, means you get one on one with the sales/service person - forms trust.

Obviously Honda has a plan. They have lots of dealers about the place. have a look at their dealer map.

we need more motorcyclists, so they buy more bikes and gear.....

Crasherfromwayback

7th July 2017, 09:37

Why not?

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im not so sure on this, I have heard rumours that Honda may do this in Auckland,

I'd say if they did/do, I think the rest of the country would tell them to stick it up their arse and go to another brand.

nzspokes

7th July 2017, 12:26

I'd say if they did/do, I think the rest of the country would tell them to stick it up their arse and go to another brand.

Which is what is heard when this starts to happen. Some will stay, other will go. But it will happen as it is the only way for wholesalers to get floor space.

Happened in my trade 10 years ago.

pritch

7th July 2017, 13:25

I hope Blue Wing don't decide to go retail, they can barely function as a wholesaler.

Crasherfromwayback

7th July 2017, 13:59

I hope Blue Wing don't decide to go retail, they can barely function as a wholesaler.

Same with Yamaha NZ

James Deuce

7th July 2017, 15:24

Is it me or are there very few Honda dealers around? I'm not up in the national scene, but in Christchurch there only seems to be one but some people I know prefer to go to a more Rural oriented dealer in Rangiora I think. Are the Honda distributers hard to deal with, are Hondas not popular? What's the story?

Cheers

They are expensive right up until they are catastrophically discounted. Catastrophic for the poor bastard who bought one new when they first came out. Combine that with Blue Wing's unwillingness to bring in anything with modern safety aids or even a range of bikes that covers general market requirements and you get a lukewarm sales report.

Also, most of the Honda dealers are bastards and have to be because they are selling bikes that are comparatively expensive with no margin and little market desirability because Honda don't make class leading motorcycles anymore. You can't even point at a Honda and exclaim about how marvelous its superior finish is because the paint rubs off and the bolts go furry and rusty like Suzuki's used to in the early '90s.

scott411

7th July 2017, 15:39

I'd say if they did/do, I think the rest of the country would tell them to stick it up their arse and go to another brand.

it will be interesting to see the backlash if they decide to go with it,

but maybe they will find a keen entrepreneur to open a honda only store somewhere, they would not be the first distributor to bank roll someone into a shop,

nzspokes

8th July 2017, 08:19

it will be interesting to see the backlash if they decide to go with it,

but maybe they will find a keen entrepreneur to open a honda only store somewhere, they would not be the first distributor to bank roll someone into a shop,

I see little backlash. If they do it in Central Auckland it makes no difference to any other dealers. Botany Honda are hard to get to with a small showroom so they cant show much. A concept store would get the brand moving.

And common for a wholesaler to help people into shops, again they need floor space to display product.

Crasherfromwayback

8th July 2017, 16:21

I see little backlash. If they do it in Central Auckland it makes no difference to any other dealers.t.

That's where you're wrong mate. They'd all be thinking that they would be undercutting them and costing them sales.

AllanB

8th July 2017, 16:52

That's where you're wrong mate. They'd all be thinking that they would be undercutting them and costing them sales.

Exactly.

Hondas biggest issue is a lack of interesting bikes lately.

Look at Yamahas approach to getting out of the global economic crisis that hit the industry some years back - lay low for a few years designing new and interesting bikes then launch them.

Honda and Suzuki ......

Kawasaki bolted on a supercharger at least.

The Europeans - they just released better and better models while the Japanese slept.

nzspokes

8th July 2017, 17:04

That's where you're wrong mate. They'd all be thinking that they would be undercutting them and costing them sales.

Well Ive heard today that it could well be happening soon.

AllanB

8th July 2017, 18:03

Well Ive heard today that it could well be happening soon.

Bluewing opening a shop?

nzspokes

8th July 2017, 18:25

Bluewing opening a shop?

Yerp, mega shop with bikes, boat motors etc.

AllanB

8th July 2017, 21:40

Yerp, mega shop with bikes, boat motors etc.

When Hampton in Christchurch went exclusively Honda the plan was that it would be a flagship shop with importer support - eventually introducing the Honda water-sports items.

Unfortunately they did this just as the world went to financial shit so presumably expansion went on hold .... and Honda had a boring range 2010 to ..... well 2017 really. They dumped the bikes a few years back, concentrated on gear and went bust some months back.

That's a problem with a exclusive dealership in NZ. You best have product people want.

caspernz

9th July 2017, 00:18

Yerp, mega shop with bikes, boat motors etc.

As much as it may hurt individual dealerships, there's merit in this approach as it cuts out the middleman. So if the end user can get the same product for less, it may end up improving sales? Torpedo 7 springs to mind as an example of how this approach seems to work.

That's a problem with a exclusive dealership in NZ. You best have product people want.

I suspect the exclusive dealership in NZ doesn't work too well with bikes as the economy of scale hurdle is never cleared. Not enough bikes sold overall, let alone individual brands, to support a dealership. It's gotta be either multiple brands of bike, or multiple products from the one manufacturer. Be interesting to see how Blue Wing go...

pritch

10th July 2017, 10:39

it cuts out the middleman. So if the end user can get the same product for less,

I don't think that will be any part of a Blue Wing plan. Their idea will be for Blue Wing to get a bigger share of the money. Having said that though, it's sometimes dificult to see any logic in what they do.

rambaldi

10th July 2017, 14:05

Exactly.

Hondas biggest issue is a lack of interesting bikes lately.

Look at Yamahas approach to getting out of the global economic crisis that hit the industry some years back - lay low for a few years designing new and interesting bikes then launch them.

Honda and Suzuki ......

Kawasaki bolted on a supercharger at least.

The Europeans - they just released better and better models while the Japanese slept.

I like the Africa twin... yeah its and old bike re-done and I can't afford one but still...

nerrrd

10th July 2017, 15:57

Exactly.

Hondas biggest issue is a lack of interesting bikes lately...

I don't think it's fair to use the local market as a gauge. Overseas Honda has been taking way more risks than Yamaha by introducing genuinely new bikes and it's paid off for them in a couple of cases - NC bikes are best sellers in Europe I believe, and the Africa Twin - whether it qualifies as a new design I don't know, but putting a DCT in it is a completely new approach, and they're selling too. And believe it or not, there's even a lot of pre-sales interest in this:

http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/pagefiles/605874/01_honda.jpg

Meanwhile Yamaha introduces...a triple. And that two front-wheeled scooter thingy that Wellington thinks is a car.

OK this stuff from Honda doesn't float many boats here locally, but I don't think you can criticise them for that.

AllanB

11th July 2017, 18:37

I don't think it's fair to use the local market as a gauge.

I respectfully disagree as the local NZ Honda market IS the NZ Honda market. And if their importer Bluewing is not prepared to introduce interesting rides made by the Mother Company then they (and their dealers) suffer.

That scooter looks pretty cool actually for urban fanging.

Here's what Bluewing would do: Watch the overseas market for a year or two - oh look it's selling really well - lets bring them in to NZ, and since they are selling well overseas lets load up the NZ price.

Then two years later they discount then by 25-30% to clear 'new old stock' that did not sell because it was too expensive ......

It's not all bad - I picked up a brand new 06 build Honda Hornet 900 in 2007 for $9.5k. When the 900 was released in 2004 in NZ it was $15k ........

nerrrd

12th July 2017, 10:52

I respectfully disagree as the local NZ Honda market IS the NZ Honda market. And if their importer Bluewing is not prepared to introduce interesting rides made by the Mother Company then they (and their dealers) suffer...

Yeah I'm painfully aware of how Bluewing operates - my NC is way overpriced here new compared to where it slots into the range overseas. I'm hoping that's not Honda's fault for overcharging them due to the size of our market.

That scooter looks pretty cool actually for urban ranging...

Its odd Honda dont have a 650 Africa Twin like Suzuki make the Vstrom in both 650 and 1000cc engine sizes.

Heh, that scooter is the closest thing Honda has to a mid range 'Adventure' bike...it's designed for off road use as well and uses the same 750 twin as my bike :lol:

http://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/adventure/x-adv/overview.html

Maha

12th July 2017, 11:43

And believe it or not, there's even a lot of pre-sales interest in this:

I want one! seriously would own one of them.

Scubbo

12th July 2017, 15:42

all bluewing have to do is fucking bring in the Honda Cub/super cub 110 again... the dickheads

ChazzMichaelMichaels

13th July 2017, 20:08

As much as it may hurt individual dealerships, there's merit in this approach as it cuts out the middleman. Be interesting to see how Blue Wing go...

Isn't Bluewing Honda technically the middleman? If there wasn't a distributor involved then what would the bikes cost?

AllanB

13th July 2017, 21:52

Isn't Bluewing Honda technically the middleman? If there wasn't a distributor involved then what would the bikes cost?

Good question......

Crasherfromwayback

13th July 2017, 22:52

Isn't Bluewing Honda technically the middleman? If there wasn't a distributor involved then what would the bikes cost?

Good question......

The answer to that is Suzuki NZ.

AllanB

14th July 2017, 19:00

The answer to that is Suzuki NZ.

Thought they were - been so for years I wondered if it still was. Which I believe is how they get all those new old stock last year (or 2 year old) models for each Summers Suzuki Fest. Never buy a new Suzuki until that brochure is out they have some great deals each year.