Track Days and 2 piece leather suits????

[nzspokes]

Local trackday company has banned 2 piece zip up leather suits. Is this happening anywhere else?

Anybody heard of a problem with them?

[FJRider]

Anybody heard of a problem with them?

With your personal private parts relying on a Chinese zip to keep them safe ... fair call really.

Only a few places allowed it anyway. Organizers/insurers responsibility's will be behind it.

[swbarnett]

Local trackday company has banned 2 piece zip up leather suits.
Only in the faster groups or across all?

Not that I've ever done a track day (and not likely to, just curious). I can kind of understand this in the fast group (read race practice) but it seems to me a bit of overkill in the slow group.

[caspernz]

Local trackday company has banned 2 piece zip up leather suits. Is this happening anywhere else?

Anybody heard of a problem with them?

Yeah I got that email tonight as well. I'd say it's down to what Pukekohe Park Raceway lay down for the organizer of the days' event. Not an issue to me as I partake in a one piece leather suit, maybe you should invest in your own custom made one Rob? Would go nicely with your new thou...

I see there's another track based training day listed for December 10th this year by the way.

[Gremlin]

Not an issue to me as I partake in a one piece leather suit, ...
Didn't really want to think of you in a one piece toothpaste tube... :sick:

[caspernz]

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Didn't really want to think of you in a one piece toothpaste tube... :sick:

Wonder no more...:devil2:

[Moise]

Local trackday company has banned 2 piece zip up leather suits. Is this happening anywhere else?

Anybody heard of a problem with them?
Who has banned them?

Some 2 piece suits have the zip sewn on the lining, but I'd have no concerns about my el cheapo Berick suit.

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[sharp2183]

Only in the faster groups or across all?

Not that I've ever done a track day (and not likely to, just curious). I can kind of understand this in the fast group (read race practice) but it seems to me a bit of overkill in the slow group.

They don't use a different track surface for the slow group. Crashing still hurts and sub par gear leads to injury. Puke isn't the slowest track around either, nor the safest.

[nzspokes]

Only in the faster groups or across all?

Not that I've ever done a track day (and not likely to, just curious). I can kind of understand this in the fast group (read race practice) but it seems to me a bit of overkill in the slow group.

All groups, and the track is speed restricted anyway. No warmers or race bikes allowed.

So what they have said is if you have a 2 piece you can ride but will be speed restricted to 140.

I have no interest being on the track in fast group with guys that can do 200+ when im restricted to 140. :eek5:

[nzspokes]

Yeah I got that email tonight as well. I'd say it's down to what Pukekohe Park Raceway lay down for the organizer of the days' event. Not an issue to me as I partake in a one piece leather suit, maybe you should invest in your own custom made one Rob? Would go nicely with your new thou...

I see there's another track based training day listed for December 10th this year by the way.

That is an image have been trying to forget. :lol:

[AllanB]

With your personal private parts relying on a Chinese zip to keep them safe ... fair call really.

SO you now have to buy a cheap Chinese one piece and it will be allowed? :brick:

[malcy25]

Local trackday company has banned 2 piece zip up leather suits. Is this happening anywhere else?

Anybody heard of a problem with them?

Which local track day company?

[nzspokes]

Which local track day company?

Its Passmasters, but its sounds like a rule that has come down from Pukekohe park. FB says Prorider had someone crash and this is the reaction to it. This is only a rumour though. So who knows?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yeah I got that email tonight as well. I'd say it's down to what Pukekohe Park Raceway lay down for the organizer of the days' event. Not an issue to me as I partake in a one piece leather suit, maybe you should invest in your own custom made one Rob? Would go nicely with your new thou...

I see there's another track based training day listed for December 10th this year by the way.

If you have it custom made you can get as much tassels, glitter and fringing as you want. The fatter you are, the more of each you can have, Its a win win. My next leathers will be modelled on my previous career as a rodeo clown. yup

[HenryDorsetCase]

Its Passmasters, but its sounds like a rule that has come down from Pukekohe park. FB says Prorider had someone crash and this is the reaction to it. This is only a rumour though. So who knows?

had someone crash and ..... their leather two piece came apart? blimey.

[HenryDorsetCase]

SO you now have to buy a cheap Chinese one piece and it will be allowed? :brick:

If only there was someone on KB who knew about leathers and how they are made and could assist and enlighten the masses. Oh well....

[nzspokes]

If only there was someone on KB who knew about leathers and how they are made and could assist and enlighten the masses. Oh well....

Triple stitched?

[malcy25]

Its Passmasters, but its sounds like a rule that has come down from Pukekohe park. FB says Prorider had someone crash and this is the reaction to it. This is only a rumour though. So who knows?
Sounds a bit knee jerk on the surface of things but we don't know the full story. A properly matched 2 piece suit should not be an issue. You never know whether they have zipped together properly etc in the first place.

Though I have seen some bad things at ride days over the years with skin visible....

The pass master website is saying in large letters "No textile"

I usually err on the side of caution and have never actually owned anything but one piece suits (I don't road ride), but a good 2 piece suit of matching halves designed to work together and from a reputable manufacturer should not be an issue. I know any number of guys who've raced with them.

[caspernz]

All groups, and the track is speed restricted anyway. No warmers or race bikes allowed.

So what they have said is if you have a 2 piece you can ride but will be speed restricted to 140.

I have no interest being on the track in fast group with guys that can do 200+ when im restricted to 140. :eek5:

One solution is run in group 2 isn't it? Was half thinking of doing that myself, more interested in working on technique than outright speed...it's a school day rather than a race day after all :devil2:

[jellywrestler]

i remember a compeptitor being black flagged in the castrol six hour about about hour five when they found they had two piece leathers, back in about 1981, just get a one piece suit and avoid the chance of it hurting you

[nzspokes]

One solution is run in group 2 isn't it? Was half thinking of doing that myself, more interested in working on technique than outright speed...it's a school day rather than a race day after all :devil2:

Its all groups so even L platers need a Onsie.

[caspernz]

Its all groups so even L platers need a Onsie.

Ah ok, now I remember why when I got a real bike I also splashed out on a onesie...can't remember who recommended it though. Might have been Pete from Wellington MC...:innocent:

[Autech]

Sounds a bit knee jerk on the surface of things but we don't know the full story. A properly matched 2 piece suit should not be an issue. You never know whether they have zipped together properly etc in the first place.

Though I have seen some bad things at ride days over the years with skin visible....

The pass master website is saying in large letters "No textile"

I usually err on the side of caution and have never actually owned anything but one piece suits (I don't road ride), but a good 2 piece suit of matching halves designed to work together and from a reputable manufacturer should not be an issue. I know any number of guys who've raced with them.

My spool suit zips all the way around and has never failed to protect me. Had it patched up once and after a few more tumbles I will replace it with a onesie, but not out of fear of it coming apart or anything like that. Better a 2 piece with decent leather than a cheap onesie which will tear through the second you start sliding.

[ellipsis]

My girl is a leather specialist, even though she hates the shit now...40 years of wrestling with the stuff would do that...she repairs race leathers under protest and only for my friends in racing...even the best quality leathers, triple stitched or not, all come apart when they hit the tarmac...sliding on a seam creates a different sort of damage to a kinetic type of hit on a seam which breaks the stitching more than wears it out...my friend Pete has some custom made Indian or Pakistani leathers, all Kawasaki'd up and they were cheap and as well sewn with good leather as any of the big names...

[nzspokes]

I can get my jacket and pants sewn together.

Job done.

[Autech]

So what they have said is if you have a 2 piece you can ride but will be speed restricted to 140.
Tui add material.

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[Asher]

Seems like a great way to alienate their customer base. Most road riders who go to track days would likely have a 2 piece and expecting them to go out spend another $1000+ for a 1 piece is a bit shit.
Myself and a few of my mates have crash tested 2 piece suits and none of the waist zips have failed.

[jellywrestler]

Seems like a great way to alienate their customer base. Most road riders who go to track days would likely have a 2 piece and expecting them to go out spend another $1000+ for a 1 piece is a bit shit.
Myself and a few of my mates have crash tested 2 piece suits and none of the waist zips have failed.
there was a day when we didn't have flush toilets or need crash helmets too, do you think that the track day company just woke up and decided to be cunts one day and make this decision?
i bet they're giggling inside everytime they tell a customer to put there wallet away and go home cause they've made up this stupid rule....

[Laava]

I can get my jacket and pants sewn together.

Job done.

Sounds like a "Frank and beans" moment!

[caspernz]

I can get my jacket and pants sewn together.

Job done.

Make sure you don't have any spicy stuff the night before though, or the track day will get very "interesting" for the wrong reasons...:innocent:


Seems like a great way to alienate their customer base. Most road riders who go to track days would likely have a 2 piece and expecting them to go out spend another $1000+ for a 1 piece is a bit shit.
Myself and a few of my mates have crash tested 2 piece suits and none of the waist zips have failed.

Or one could surmise it's a rule laid down by the track owners :shutup:

[nzspokes]

there was a day when we didn't have flush toilets or need crash helmets too

Difference is though, the rest of us weren't alive back then.....

[pritch]

but a good 2 piece suit of matching halves designed to work together and from a reputable manufacturer should not be an issue. I know any number of guys who've raced with them.

It was just a bit before my time, but until Geoff Duke had his lightbulb moment all racing leathers were two piece.

[sharp2183]

It was just a bit before my time, but until Geoff Duke had his lightbulb moment all racing leathers were two piece.

No doubt, but all helmets were open face at one point too. Don't think you are allowed out on track with one of those these days!

[AllanB]

my friend Pete has some custom made Indian or Pakistani leathers, all Kawasaki'd up and they were cheap and as well sewn with good leather as any of the big names...


I suspect a lot of flashy expensive name brand leathers are made in Pakistan. Hmmm, rushes off to check his flashy name brand leather jacket ....


And ..... ALPINESTARS, designed and developed in Italy, manufactured in Vietnam.

[Autech]

Nothing wrong with Pakistani leathers. Pretty sure my agvs were made there

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[Moise]

Checked with the guys on a UK forum - 2 piece leathers are fine at every track there.



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[KawasakiKid]

I think if the joining zips are both on leather (as opposed to a mesh lining or similar) then track days maybe are ok in a lot of tracks. Personally I would only advocate 1 piece though, safety first. If you cannot afford the hear you shouldn't be there. In most tracks you must also have back protector and those overseas riders getting track time on a rental must ride with a flouro vest plus be with an instructor. I remember back in the 70s my brother turning up at a track wanting a go on one of my Kawasakis. I leant him my leathers and went out for a few laps in Levi jeans and a cotton Kawasaki jacket. Fuck what an idiot, not sure how I survived these many years

[AllanB]

I think it's some risk adverse director worried about being arse-licked in prison if someones two piece separates and shreds his back to the point of death....... in steps OSH, and the police ......

[swbarnett]

, safety first.
Nothing personal KK but shit I hate that phrase. It's the biggest lie ever spoken.

If it were not a lie we would never leave the womb. Safety is ALWAYS second. First we must live. Sometimes this involves some level of risk.

Eskimos would've died out long ago if they thought twice about attacking dinner many times their own size with only basic weapons (knife, spear etc.) from a kayak in heavy seas that are near freezing.

[KawasakiKid]

Nothing personal KK but shit I hate that phrase. It's the biggest lie ever spoken.

If it were not a lie we would never leave the womb. Safety is ALWAYS second. First we must live. Sometimes this involves some level of risk.

Eskimos would've died out long ago if they thought twice about attacking dinner many times their own size with only basic weapons (knife, spear etc.) from a kayak in heavy seas that are near freezing.

Don't worry I am not one to wrap everything in cotton wool, so I agree with you. I do however believe in as much safety as possible on racetracks

[swbarnett]

Don't worry I am not one to wrap everything in cotton wool, so I agree with you. I do however believe in as much safety as possible on racetracks
I figured as much. It's the phrase that gets me. The likes of OSH bandy it around as if a paper cut is the end of the world.

[nzspokes]

The likes of OSH bandy it around as if a paper cut is the end of the world.

:facepalm: Wow you are stuck in the past.

[AllanB]

as if a paper cut is the end of the world.

I had a run in at the office a while ago when I refused to write up a paper cut I received in the book. Fucks sake it's a paper cut - it's not like I was naked in the office and sliced my foreskin off.

[Moi]

... safety first...


... Safety is ALWAYS second. First we must live. Sometimes this involves some level of risk...


Don't worry I am not one to wrap everything in cotton wool, so I agree with you. I do however believe in as much safety as possible on racetracks


I figured as much. It's the phrase that gets me. The likes of OSH bandy it around as if a paper cut is the end of the world.


I'd suggest that you're talking about taking responsibility for yourself...

... it seems to be something that so many are totally unable to do for themselves and need someone to tell them what to do and how to do it or it's the fault of someone else.

Just how the hell did we survive childhood - climbing trees, playing in the street, jungle-gyms, swings and slides with hard ground under them, riding bicycles everywhere, crossing railway tracks, and so on - and yet we learnt so much about our own abilities and the consequences when things went wrong.

[nzspokes]

I had a run in at the office a while ago when I refused to write up a paper cut I received in the book. Fucks sake it's a paper cut - it's not like I was naked in the office and sliced my foreskin off.

Dont take the office as a safe place. Google Paper shredder injuries. :shit:

[AllanB]

Just how the hell did we survive childhood - climbing trees

Climbing trees was banned 10 years ago at my kids school :facepalm: we lived over the road - I took mine over there in the weekend and taught them how to climb a friggen tree - should have seen the smiles on their faces .

[nzspokes]

Just how the hell did we survive childhood - climbing trees, playing in the street, jungle-gyms, swings and slides with hard ground under them, riding bicycles everywhere, crossing railway tracks, and so on - and yet we learnt so much about our own abilities and the consequences when things went wrong.

Currently we seem to be killing someone at work weekly going by the news reports. Pretty sure that not a good thing.

[swbarnett]

:facepalm: Wow you are stuck in the past.
Considering the subject of this thread I'm not so sure. Everywhere you look things are getting "safer" and personal responsibility is being actively discouraged. I mean, what does a track day company care if I were to ride in just shorts but never come off? Something I wouldn't do but surely some sort of carefully worded waver would cover it?

[Moi]

Climbing trees was banned 10 years ago at my kids school :facepalm: we lived over the road - I took mine over there in the weekend and taught them how to climb a friggen tree - should have seen the smiles on their faces .

One school where I taught let kids climb trees, provided they didn't damage the tree... makes them think about what they are doing and don't remember any serious accidents or injuries from a fall.

[AllanB]

Currently we seem to be killing someone at work weekly going by the news reports. Pretty sure that not a good thing.

Be OK if it was a politician a week ........

[swbarnett]

I had a run in at the office a while ago when I refused to write up a paper cut I received in the book. Fucks sake it's a paper cut - it's not like I was naked in the office and sliced my foreskin off.
Our safety manual specifically stated (last I saw it) that anything requiring access to the first aid kit has to be reported, followed by a visit from the H&S officer. This is why I keep my own supply of band-aids in my drawer.

[nzspokes]

Considering the subject of this thread I'm not so sure. Everywhere you look things are getting "safer" and personal responsibility is being actively discouraged. I mean, what does a track day company care if I were to ride in just shorts but never come off? Something I wouldn't do but surely some sort of carefully worded waver would cover it?

I was meaning OSH has not been OSH for ages. As in years.

[Moi]

Currently we seem to be killing someone at work weekly going by the news reports. Pretty sure that not a good thing.

True, not a good thing. We seem to be doing very poorly in comparison to, say, the UK.

Why?

[nzspokes]

Be OK if it was a politician a week ........

I feel the same way about Real Estate agents so if a bus load of them and politicians drove off a cliff, I would not be sad.

[swbarnett]

Currently we seem to be killing someone at work weekly going by the news reports. Pretty sure that not a good thing.
For that statistic to be meaningful we'd have to know what industries the deaths occurred in. There may well be some that could do with a bit of cleaning up (forestry springs to mind but not from personal experience).

Any way you slice it safety is never first. The first consideration for any living being is survival. Sometimes that means going out on a limb.

[nzspokes]

True, not a good thing. We seem to be doing very poorly in comparison to, say, the UK.

Why?

We are a good 10years behind the UK in H&S implementation and have many like the above that go out of there way to belittle what it means to send everybody home every day.

UK really started fixing it when some real big fuck off fines started flying around.

[swbarnett]

I was meaning OSH has not been OSH for ages. As in years.
Got ya. In which case, yes, I am definitely showing my age (and probably the fact that I haven't had any direct dealings with their ilk in quite a while).

[nzspokes]

For that statistic to be meaningful we'd have to know what industries the deaths occurred in. There may well be some that could do with a bit of cleaning up (forestry springs to mind but not from personal experience).

Any way you slice it safety is never first. The first consideration for any living being is survival. Sometimes that means going out on a limb.

I just hope you are not in charge of staff. If so you need to consider retiring.

[Moi]

We are a good 10years behind the UK in H&S implementation and have many like the above that go out of there way to belittle what it means to send everybody home every day.

UK really started fixing it when some real big fuck off fines started flying around.

When you say "have many like the above that go out of there way to belittle what it means to send everybody home every day" what are you think of?

[AllanB]

We are a good 10years behind the UK in H&S implementation and have many like the above that go out of there way to belittle what it means to send everybody home every day.

UK really started fixing it when some real big fuck off fines started flying around.

Directors are now responsible. They can go to prison if their staff have a serious accident.

Not a paper cut (unless it's in the eye I guess) . Suddenly they are interested.

Architects should be held responsible for daft arse design. with todays exciting weather our building entrance was a slippery hip cracker of a mess due to pathetic architectural design.

Next week I will no doubt see at least five important people standing around looking at the entrance wondering what to do (this happened last time). Nothing will happen. Oh - maybe a 'slippery' sign will be introduced.

[Taxythingy]

as much safety as possible

Surely you mean 'practicable', as the most up to date wording there...

[swbarnett]

I just hope you are not in charge of staff. If so you need to consider retiring.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not against sensible safety improvements. Just the idea that safety is the be all and end all of our existence.

And, no, I'm not in charge of staff. No way in hell is that anything I would ever consider, just not in my nature.

[pritch]

No doubt, but all helmets were open face at one point too.



Nah. They were puddin' basins then.

But we aren't talking different times yet are we. We're still talking one track? Maybe it's not catching.