NZ Road Accidents

[YellowDog]

Some are now more understandable :yes:


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6-Oz_Kyac1mZmNYd0Q4Wnd3TDQ/view

[oldrider]

Bloody amazing - now I think we (NZ) get off lightly! :rolleyes:

[YellowDog]

Those 2 cops on a scooter will not have been happy :no:

[T.W.R]

Bloody amazing - now I think we (NZ) get off lightly! :rolleyes:

That's because only the rich ones can afford to come here on holiday ;)

[sidecar bob]

While some of those crashes are the drivers/riders own fault there are others that show for all those that dont believe, that shit can happen as a result of the fault of others just too quick to brake or swerve.

Which would simply make them the other persons fault. :facepalm:

[SVboy]

But there are some on here that believe that going to riding school will teach you how to avoid others when they screw up. Those videos prove despite what their riding schools have got them believing there is not always time to avoid the srewups of others.


Obvious troll is obvious. Don't feed the troll.

[EJK]

But there are some on here that believe that going to riding school will teach you how to avoid others when they screw up. Those videos prove despite what their riding schools have got them believing there is not always time to avoid the srewups of others.

If you drove like anyone in the video you wouldn't be able to get a drivers license to start with.

[Jeeper]

The point of training is to not drive or ride like the 'others' and put innocent bystanders at risk. Training is not just about avoidance of dangers, its also about improving your owb skills to be not a danger for others 'cause humans are not born drivers or riders. Heck, humans can't even walk or go to toilet as babies without training.

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[ellipsis]

While some of those crashes are the drivers/riders own fault there are others that show for all those that dont believe, that shit can happen as a result of the fault of others just too quick to brake or swerve.


...just when you thought it was safe to get back into the water...:brick::angry2::brick:...

[EJK]

But bright motorcyclists would not need a riding school to tell them not to be a danger to others as on a bike it would be pretty impossible to put others in danger without putting yourself in the same or worse danger at the same time.

Some riders require training because they are not casi-fucking-nna the Lord Almighty of motorcycling.

[Voltaire]

All developing countries go thru a learning curve, some steeper than others.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/04/article-2154369-13715F5D000005DC-228_964x654.jpg

[oldrider]

All developing countries go thru a learning curve, some steeper than others.

Appears someone was out on a bender! :drinknsin (the tyres look pretty bald and tatty too but :whocares: it's the land of the free - anything was possible!) :yes:

[Jeeper]

But bright motorcyclists would not need a riding school to tell them not to be a danger to others as on a bike it would be pretty impossible to put others in danger without putting yourself in the same or worse danger at the same time.
So you are happy for a new rider to put everyone else's life around at the same risk of death as themselves? Rather than go through proper training and learning as a mitigation for undue risk exposure? You are more illogical than I had thought originally.

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[EJK]

Time for a pop quiz!
https://www.facebook.com/RideForeverNZ/posts/1971896206430995:0

[razza11]

Yes. We can see the sun shining. Some of us like to learn from others before we put ourselves in a place where we learn from a mishap or mistake. Some of us think that maybe we still have something to learn that might benefit us in some way.

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[FJRider]

But bright motorcyclists would not need a riding school to tell them not to be a danger to others as on a bike it would be pretty impossible to put others in danger without putting yourself in the same or worse danger at the same time.

So ... only idiots need motorcycle training courses ... ???????????? :bs:

[FJRider]

I have never said only idiots need to go to riding school but the fact is in all aspects of life some of us can pick up something new easier than others. If we were all equal we would all be millionaires riding our dream bikes now wouldnt we.

I'm not the one running down innocent dogs ... I guess that makes me more equal than you.

I've made my first million ... whats taking you so long .. ??

[T.W.R]

For a 60yr old bmw riding canine hunter that's also had a head-on in a car and paddles their way around corners you seriously need to take up another item of interest......knitting could be a start but watch out for those needles
In 76 in chch there were two driving schools and pretty sure the Matchless Riding School had also just got underway :msn-wink:

[Voltaire]

For a 60yr old bmw riding canine hunter that's also had a head-on in a car and paddles their way around corners you seriously need to take up another item of interest......knitting could be a start but watch out for those needles
In 76 in chch there were two driving schools and pretty sure the Matchless Riding School had also just got underway :msn-wink:

BMW.... I think the old dear has a Honda fat slug

[T.W.R]

BMW.... I think the old dear has a Honda fat slug

try a 850R :yes:
It's all here on KB ;)

[FJRider]

Just because you have never hit a dog in the past it does not mean it can not happen in the future. It depends entirely how far away you are from the dog when it runs out. Both riders and drivers have been killed did you know because animals have run out without giving them any time to brake or swerve.

You can't see what you won't look for. I knew a woman who swerved to avoid a rabbit ... and crashed her car killing her daughter.

Don't brake or swerve for dogs and other small animals. They are not suicidal ... they will swerve.

Horses, cattle, sheep ... they don't.

[ellipsis]

... they will swerve.

Horses, cattle, sheep and Cassina ... they don't.


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[Grumph]

In 76 in chch there were two driving schools and pretty sure the Matchless Riding School had also just got underway :msn-wink:

Correct - in fact i'm pretty sure it had been going for a while. But old Tom would have looked at the young Cassina and said "you don't deserve a bike, fuck off" He had a nose for ignorant pricks.

[sidecar bob]

I remember years ago a truck driver in Auckland saying there is no way he would risk jackknifing/tipping his truck for anyone who decided to run out on the motorway in front of him.

And neither should he. Once you start running about on a motorway, the onus for your own survival rests entirely with yourself.

[T.W.R]

Sorry to destroy your belief but all animals that stray/run onto the road are suicidal.

:laugh: kamikaze pets & livestock the new road terror :eek:
Suicidal bollocks.....the poor bloody things are terrified out of their minds in a blind panic

[GazzaH]

That cuts both ways: make an innocent mistake in an unforgiving situation, and we are toast.
https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2015/12/05/11/04/toast-1077984_960_720.jpg

[onearmedbandit]

Fuck me, how many fucking dogs have you had traffic incidents with? I'm counting three now. You've referenced the 'Dog and Lemon guide' a few times now, did you buy that only to be severely disappointed when you got home and read it to discover it was actually about car reviews??

[GazzaH]

I'm sitting here watching the lemmings swimming at Piha beach.

Am I supposed to be concerned about whether they are rescued?

[FJRider]

I remember years ago a truck driver in Auckland saying there is no way he would risk jackknifing/tipping his truck for anyone who decided to run out on the motorway in front of him.

I drove trucks for years ... I didn't either ... :laugh:

MY safety first. I don't even swerve/brake for pedestrians ... they can (and do) move pretty quickly when they have too ... :shifty:

[Jeeper]

Did they go to swimming school or learned to swim in Avon River in 76 by themselves like a duck?

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[Jeeper]

I must be brighter than many new riders today then as I never went to riding school after passing my practical test back in 1976 (they did not exist then) and I never put anyone else at risk. If all new riders were a danger even though they had passed their practical, going to riding school would be compulsory now wouldnt it? Everyone has different abilities and some of us can DIY and some can't I guess. Don't pidgon hole all riders as having no better ability than you when you were a learner.
You are not bright enough to know that training is still preferred by actually smart people or else why would talented doctors still go to medical school? I think you would prefer they just open a practice and experiment on patients without any training because back in 1476 doctors never went for training.

As for not being a millionaire or not riding one's dream bike, you don't have a cystal ball (may be a broom, but no cystal ball) to make such a claim. Who knows how many members here might be worth whatever, who cares.

This forum is for people for common passion for riding, if you can't respect that then perhaps pick up a new hobby.

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[EJK]

Your analogy with doctors is nonsense as they do ongoing courses due to changes in medical technology. What changes about riding your motorbike each year for you to do ongoing rider training?

It's called "refresher course"? Good to remind themselves and further develop on own skills?

[Jeeper]

Your analogy with doctors is nonsense as they do ongoing courses due to changes in medical technology. What changes about riding your motorbike each year for you to do ongoing rider training?
Human anatomy hasn't changed in 50,000 years, why do need retraining every year? Back in '76 how powerful was your bike? Have you seen how much more power similar size engine can now produce? Drum brakes vs disc brakes? ABS vs non-ABS. Slipper clutch vs standard clutch. But the anatomy of riding hasn't changed, still same sitting position on a mechanical implement with two wheels, engine and handlebars.....

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[T.W.R]

I am guessing maybe you are a returning rider or very infrequent rider to feel the ongoing need for further training but that is not me.

:clap: The Arrogance is spectacular :lol:

[Moi]

“once you stop learning you start dying”

― Albert Einstein

[Jeeper]

So that's why you need ongoing training to handle different technological changes in each new bike you buy? I am guessing maybe you are a returning rider or very infrequent rider to feel the ongoing need for further training but that is not me.
Training is definitely not for you, I agree. 'cause no amount of training can fix crazy. And I also agree with you that shit happens that is beyond one's control, as only that explains how you got the license to ride, allegedly.

Some people have the curiosity and desire to learn new skills and gain new experience, some don't. Whether its arrogance or shame to admit your inability and incapability to learn, I feel bad for you to have never opened your mind to wonderful things this world has to offer. Human mind is a beautiful thing, don't waste your remaining life in such misery.

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[EJK]

“once you stop learning you start dying”

― Albert Einstein

“Only two things are infinite, the universe and cassina's stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.”

- Albert Einstein

[Jeeper]

“Only two things are infinite, the universe and cassina's stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.”

- Albert Einstein

Your quote reminds me of "everything has its limit - iron ore cannot be educated into gold" by Mark Twain. This troll is a special kind of iron ore for sure.

As for someone else, I give up. Your trolling has now gone down to childish levels, its like amateur hour. Pick up your game thing, or leave threads on topic.

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[razza11]

I would be in the majority and not the minority in having to never need to get any lessons post getting my license. I guess you would be one of those that would want compulsory licence retesting every so many years but I would only agree with that for those with a history of at fault accidents. Everyone learns differently and some quicker than others as I said in my previous post. I get the impression from your comments about me you are somewhat jealous that I have been a quicker learner than you having no need to go to riding school.
Its not the NEED to learn, but a desire to become better at what we do so we can enjoy it more and get home unscathed. There is a faint possibility that the lack of understanding / comprehension rests with you.

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[T.W.R]

I get the impression from your comments about me you are somewhat jealous that I have been a quicker learner than you having no need to go to riding school.

:killingme DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR :not:

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=316700&d=1445244586


IN YOUR OWN DEMENTED WORLD :weird:

[James Deuce]

Apparently it was beneath me to suggest that you folks stop engaging with you know who.

I don't think it is. I also think it's probably just a bored Donald Trump having a crack at fluid gender expression.

#Alt-Facts

[ellipsis]

I have been a quicker learner than you having no need to go to riding school.


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[RDJ]

Back in the days of drum brakes (and army-surplus boots for auxiliary stopping power), Lucas ("the Prince of Darkness) electrics, kick-starts and no helmets (i.e. Prehistoric Geezer Times), there was literally no other way to learn to ride (at least in my rural neck of the woods) other than to borrow a machine and teach yourself. Mentoring consisted of "you break it you fix it" and "put it into second before you try to bump-start it FFS!" along with the occasional "they all do that" and "you've flooded it again!". Actually the point of this (there was a point? -ed. Yes, shuddup.) was that we learned the hard way, sometimes painfully, but we didn't necessarily learn what was right and helpful.

Decades later when riding schools became a thing, I found it quite difficult to unlearn bad habits even when they were pointed out and demonstrated to me. In the last ~12 years have been through three riding schools (in three different countries) and learned more each time.

The other thing I've learned is that I need to do more, not less, riding re-training, the longer I ride. Have been on some really really long cross-country rides but I don't learn as much on a long ride as I do from city commuter-riding and twisty riding / riding in bad weather. YMMV as they say.

[razza11]

So how far / long did you ride in your long day ride?
Did the article on mid life crisis riders differentiate between mid life crisis riders and normal returning riders who put bikes to one side for many years to fully commit to family situations?
I am curious if there is any difference in statistics between these groups.

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[old slider]

So how far / long did you ride in your long day ride?
Did the article on mid life crisis riders differentiate between mid life crisis riders and normal returning riders who put bikes to one side for many years to fully commit to family situations?
I am curious if there is any difference in statistics between these groups.

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One long day ride I will never forget was from Wanganui to Wellington return, this was in 1973 with my once sweet girlfriend on a TS 250 Suzuki in winter, it was frigging cold, wet and most unpleasant, my passenger who was /is much smarter than me climbed off at Foxton on our way down and caught a bus back. She forgave me for being a pharking dork a few days later, and has been my wife for over 40 years .

[oldrider]

One long day ride I will never forget was from Wanganui to Wellington return, this was in 1973 with my once sweet girlfriend on a TS 250 Suzuki in winter, it was frigging cold, wet and most unpleasant, my passenger who was /is much smarter than me climbed off at Foxton on our way down and caught a bus back. She forgave me for being a pharking dork a few days later, and has been my wife for over 40 years .

Maybe you should have caught the bus back with her! :lol: . :ride:(things we do!)

[Swoop]

'cause no amount of training can fix crazy.

It does bring to mind the Nurse's saying "Sedate and Medicate"...

[old slider]

My day ride was just over 400km. The article I read did not say there was any difference about whether returning riders had a family or not. If you are a returning rider you would be labled generally speaking as a Mid Life Crisis Rider. I have read the true description is of a guy who decides that as his years of being active are getting more and more limited that is the reason why they take up riding again. If you google mid life crisis riding you will find a lot of info on the reasons etc for why guys return.


Mostly its because it was way easier to shift a wife and several kids around in a car and some of us had to make sacrifices as young married couples or parents.

Shit I sold my prized motorcycle in 1975 to pay the deposit on our first section in a cheaper part of town, then ran 10kms to work and back every day for nearly 3 years whilst saving to get a deposit to build our first massive 1000sq foot home.

[razza11]

Whew. That's a relief to know I'm not in the "mid life crisis" quartile as I got back on the bike because I enjoy riding not because my remaining active days are numbered. If I had been a mid life crisis case, likely I would have been making a mistake with the size bikes I chose to start riding again on and risked being involved in causing harm to myself and maybe others.
How would a returning rider know if a bike is too big for them to handle without actually going on a decent long ride? Could a riding refresher course on said big bike be of advantage to a returning rider whether in mid life crisis quartile or not I wonder. Would a refresher course help said rider to determine if said big bike was not not too big for them to handle if said course assisted said rider with their confidence. The refresher course and the gaining of confidence could save said rider the costs associated with purchasing and selling smaller incrementally increasing capacity bikes and reduce the risk of said returning rider having accidents or being involved in accidents whether their fault or someone else's fault.
Did a nice day ride from Picton to Invercargill a few years back. Still felt fresh at the end. Maybe that had something to do with the speed I was travelling at on that day.


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[Voltaire]

I might be wrong but I dont think riding schools would recommend any size bike over another as if the rider ends up killing themselves they would possibly not want to feel any guilt or liability. As you said if you were a true mid life crisis rider you would ride the biggest you could afford irrespective of what others thought most likely. Maybe the law needs to be changed to make things safer for mid life crisis riders or those who have not ridden for many years to limit them to LAMS bikes only for the first few years after returning.

Whats a Mid Life Crisis?

[razza11]

Whats a Mid Life Crisis?
Guessing its something bad that happens midway through life. Trouble is you don't know if its a mid life crisis till you're dead and can reconcile where the mid point of your life was:)

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[FJRider]

Whats a Mid Life Crisis?

When your doctor tells you to cut down on you booze intake ... on your 50th birthday ..

[FJRider]

I might be wrong

You always are ...


but I dont think ...

You finally admit it ...


Maybe the law needs to be changed to make things safer ...

Perhaps they should get people to stop ignoring the existing ones first ... but few would agree that we need MORE traffic laws ...

[Jeeper]

Would it still be a mid life crisis if I went out and bought an old school V8 TransAm at 18?

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[Voltaire]

I googled it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midlife_crisis



Individuals experiencing a mid-life crisis may feel:[12]

a deep sense of remorse for goals not accomplished
a fear of humiliation among more successful colleagues
longing to achieve a feeling of youthfulness
need to spend more time alone or with certain peers
a heightened sense of their sexuality or lack thereof
ennui, confusion, resentment or anger due to their discontent with their marital, work, health, economic, or social status
ambitious to right the missteps they feel they have taken early in life[13]
sadness at owning a Honda from the 70's
a sense of superiority over MLC returning riders

I just feel going to work every day cuts into my bike shed and riding time, need to try more craft beers,ride/race more

old bikes, and do more traveling.

[razza11]

Would it still be a mid life crisis if I webt out and a old school V8 TransAm at 18?

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Depending on circumstances prior to purchase and if you died at 36. I guess.

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[pritch]

Your analogy with doctors is nonsense as they do ongoing courses due to changes in medical technology. What changes about riding your motorbike each year for you to do ongoing rider training?

OK not necessarily every year, but it pays to do a course or read a book occasionally. If a dog suddenly runs out in front of you, (or even if it seems sudden because you were dozing at the time), it's better to be looking for a recent memory in that vital 1/3 of a second, than trying to search back to 1976. Since nothing like that was needed to get a licence in 1976, going back there won't help any way. There's nothing there.

Cassina, just as a matter of interest, if hitting a cat or dog is absolutely unavoidable there is one thing you must absolutely ensure, what is it?

[Jeeper]

I googled it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midlife_crisis




I just feel going to work every day cuts into my bike shed and riding time, need to try more craft beers,ride/race more

old bikes, and do more traveling.
Based on that definition, I did not suffer this mid life crisis ailment everyone speaks of when I bought the bike or my other toys (motorized or otherwise) at different times in my life.

Are there any preventative steps I can take to avoid ending up miserable, bitter, jealous and dim witted person; like the one that has suffered this ailment and keeps trolling this forum?

I have taken the first step to add them to my blocked list so that I won't have to read such BS. Am I on the road to Shangrila now?

[Moi]

Will you lot all stop talking about mid-life crises...

for goodness sake, shut up about them...

it's just SO depressing!


Here I am, retired and never experienced such a thing... experienced lots of other things of which the vast majority fall into the "that was great" category... but not a hint of a MLC ever, not even a whiff!

Guess my life was wasted... perhaps I should shove my head in the gas oven and turn it on and hope I get electrocuted!

[razza11]

Some things become fashionable and so people think they gotta have one too. But then some of us aren't fashion followers.


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[Voltaire]

I would say you would have had a happier life than those who have mid life crisises rather than a worse life. Afterall some guys who buy a Harley or other bike as a cure end up killing themselves on them.

If your having a MLC and you buy a bike and kill yourself its no longer a MLC is it, more of an EOLC?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/69/bd/14/69bd14b15e13618949261dda5068f13c--motorcycle-humor-motorcycle-posters.jpg

[pritch]

To answer you question if you cant avoid the dog the thing you must absolutly ensure is that you are wearing protective gear as its unlikely you will be in a fit state to hunt down the owner which could be another answer. I dont see the logic in your thinking that if you had swerved successfuly to avoid a dog last week you would be in a better position than someone who had successfully swerved to avoid a dog 40 years ago as it all depends on your distance from the dog when they run out. You may not always have the 1/3 of a second to swerve/brake in the future like you have had in the past.

Hmmm sorry. When hitting the animal is inevitable, falling off is still optional. You have to get off the brakes and on the gas so that the wheels are turning at impact. If the wheels are turning and the bike is balanced you have a much better chance of staying upright. Braking hard, weight forward, one or both wheels locked - not so much.

You really should consider doing a course?

[YellowDog]

Will you lot all stop talking about mid-life crises...

for goodness sake, shut up about them...

it's just SO depressing!


Here I am, retired and never experienced such a thing... experienced lots of other things of which the vast majority fall into the "that was great" category... but not a hint of a MLC ever, not even a whiff!

Guess my life was wasted... perhaps I should shove my head in the gas oven and turn it on and hope I get electrocuted!

Hmmmm... I had one of those. Shagged the au pair (lots of times, it was great), bought a Porsche (shagged more younger women), bought a pick-up truck (shagged on the tray), bought a motorcycle (met some foxy leather clad easy shags), got divorced (ooch) - no idea why - wasn't my fault - she wasn't supporting my MLC needs. Now pist'n'broke :facepalm:

[pritch]

I was off the brakes as I didn't have time to even apply them as I was so close. So it comes down to sheer luck as to what your proximity is from the dog when it runs out. You would have to hope the dog was real small to be able to hit it without coming off too. Your riding school is feeding you bullshit if what they have told you will very likely prevent you from coming off.

I give up. Again.

[EJK]

I give up. Again.

Arguing with cassina is like wrestling a pig in mud. Sooner or later you realise that she likes it.

[pritch]

Arguing with cassina is like wrestling a pig in mud. Sooner or later you realise that she likes it.

You are right of course.

[buggerit]

Whats a Mid Life Crisis?

Generally a phrase used by wives and the young to describe what men do when they decide it's their life to live again,like it or lump it:headbang::headbang:

[onearmedbandit]

Generally a phrase used by wives and the young to describe what men do when they decide it's their life to live again,like it or lump it:headbang::headbang:

The voice of sense.

[James Deuce]

Will you lot all stop talking about mid-life crises...

for goodness sake, shut up about them...

it's just SO depressing!



It's a crisis for everyone else. Generally speaking we've no idea anyone is thinking that and if they try to talk to us about it we're old enough to have gone deaf in that particular frequency range.

[Voltaire]

Like some others on here you will never understand me until you get some actual accident experience in this case hitting a dog. It will be sheer luck and not your riding school training if you dont come off.

I hit a possum once on my R100RS on my way home to Nelson from the ferry in the dark.....does that count?

[razza11]

I hit a possum once on my R100RS on my way home to Nelson from the ferry in the dark.....does that count?
Nah cos you wudve seen the eyes in the dark and had time to prepare for impact or other actions.

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[MVnut]

I hit a possum once on my R100RS on my way home to Nelson from the ferry in the dark.....does that count?

Hit a possum once in a Ferrari, wiped out the fans....$2k ouch.......like cassina had trouble with a dog running on the road and fell off, back in the '70s practising on Prospect Tce Mt Eden for the Ceramco GP (New Lynn) missed the dog but I was over the limit anyway ended up tearing a 3 inch wide chunk of skin and flesh off my back, down to the bone, arsehole to neck. Raced next day (slowly) and needed 4 hours soaking in a bath to get the blood stained leathers off. Happy days, no regrets. A pheasant at 220k on a GPZ1100 gives you a good boof too, stayed on tho

[T.W.R]

you will never understand me

You've got that right :rofl:

BECAUSE

http://www.thememesfactory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/1911887_472121082913705_1194146690_n1.jpg

[T.W.R]

I hit a possum once on my R100RS on my way home to Nelson from the ferry in the dark.....does that count?

A guy that belonged to the Waimari motorcycle club in the 80s had a possum fall out of a tree and hit him up near Gowan bridge one night going from Murchison to Nelson

[pritch]

Like some others on here you will never understand me until you get some actual accident experience in this case hitting a dog. It will be sheer luck and not your riding school training if you dont come off.

I have all the accident experience I want thanks, and I didn't hit the dog(s). It's better not to rely too much on luck although there were times I think I may have had help from above. :innocent:

[YellowDog]

At last someone who agrees with me luck can play a part. If you have time to brake or swerve it can be down to skill and or type of bike but if you dont thats where luck comes in as to whether you come off or not. We dont get to decide the timing unfortunately.

That's just an athiest's perspecive. Some of us are worth saving :yes:

[YellowDog]

Where you argument falls flat though is that you are saying in effect all those who died in the ChCh earthquake were worthless

No idea where the 'W' word came from.

Great comparison though. Having a potential mishap, whilst riding a motorcycle, and a strong City crushing earthquake, are almost indistiguishable weekend events - lol

[sidecar bob]

You did day some of us are worth saving implying only the religous were.

Why would belonging to an imaginary friend club make someone more worth saving?

[george formby]

A pheasant at 220k on a GPZ1100 gives you a good boof too, stayed on tho

Must be a Kawasaki thing. I hit one on my old 750. It wrapped the clutch lever around my knuckles, lucky not to break my fingers, careened into my chest and bounced of my helmet and strap. I was tapped out when it happened.

Couldn't get my jacket off because of feathers jamming the zip and it took ages to get my helmet off because the D rings where jammed with feathers and entrails.

Worst thing about the whole affair was being unable to find the pheasant. I'd hoped for a nice dinner when I hit it.

I nearly got knocked off my XT 350 one blizzardy Scottish night by a red deer. Bastard came up from behind and shoulder charged me as it galloped past. Luckily there were high snow drifts at the road sides and the bike kinda buried itself in slow motion leaving me sat there wondering what had just happened.

[sidecar bob]

I had a road kill possum hurled at me from the undergrowth by a "mate" when riding my CB125 in about 1983. It hit me right in the guts & nearly launched me off the back of the bike at 80kmh on a busy SH2.
I'd still rate it as almost the most stupid thing I've been a party to.

[FJRider]

Where you argument falls flat though is that you are saying in effect all those who died in the ChCh earthquake were worthless

So by your theory then ... when YOU hit a dog and fall off ... it would be an "Act of God" as it was not the fault of any actual person. As such ... there would be no way you could avoid it .. ???

Remember ... many insurance companies exclude "Acts of God" in their policy's ... ie: no one at fault they can get to court ... no one gets paid out.

[SVboy]

Act of dog.

[pritch]

No idea where the 'W' word came from.



Likewise I'm at a loss to understand how she decided I agreed with her. I've heard of creative writing, but creative reading? :whistle:

[caspernz]

Likewise I'm at a loss to understand how she decided I agreed with her. I've heard of creative writing, but creative reading? :whistle:

And yet it's an entirely predictable event :innocent:

[Voltaire]

I had a road kill possum hurled at me from the undergrowth by a "mate" when riding my CB125 in about 1983. It hit me right in the guts & nearly launched me off the back of the bike at 80kmh on a busy SH2.
I'd still rate it as almost the most stupid thing I've been a party to.

http://cdn3.meme.am/cache/instances/folder626/500x/78409626/dame-edna-everage-poor-possum-honda-125-is-not-very-blokey.jpg

[Grumph]

Hit a possum once in a Ferrari, wiped out the fans....$2k ouch.......

Wealthy doctor friend of the family hit a sheep with his E type on the way to a conference in Dunedin.
Pretty ripe by Dunedin...gave it to the Jag agents to clean out while he was there but it always had a faint whiff of roast mutton.

As I remember it, you only had to sniff loudly as you walked past it to receive abuse...

Lot like Cassina actually.

[ellipsis]

...not on my sickle, but returning home from playing rock'n'roll at a bike rally in Nth Canterbury, about 3am one morning, I was only a few corners from home on the long drive home on the Akaroa GP highway, it was pitch black and I imagined that just up the road it seemed like it was darker than the rest of the dark...don't know why or what made me do it but I swung right a little...a second later the tail of a big black bovine creature flicked across my windscreen...I was too tired to shit but my missus reckons I wiped the cows arse with my door panel...so cassie fuckwit, sometimes you can react without even knowing why...beat that into your fucking suicidal dog brain ya fuckwit...

[YellowDog]

...not on my sickle, but returning home from playing rock'n'roll at a bike rally in Nth Canterbury, about 3am one morning, I was only a few corners from home on the long drive home on the Akaroa GP highway, it was pitch black and I imagined that just up the road it seemed like it was darker than the rest of the dark...don't know why or what made me do it but I swung right a little...a second later the tail of a big black bovine creature flicked across my windscreen...I was too tired to shit but my missus reckons I wiped the cows arse with my door panel...so cassie fuckwit, sometimes you can react without even knowing why...beat that into your fucking suicidal dog brain ya fuckwit...

Those sports players, or former sports players, amongst us, will completely understand that instinctive reaction :yes:

[george formby]

...not on my sickle, but returning home from playing rock'n'roll at a bike rally in Nth Canterbury, about 3am one morning, I was only a few corners from home on the long drive home on the Akaroa GP highway, it was pitch black and I imagined that just up the road it seemed like it was darker than the rest of the dark...don't know why or what made me do it but I swung right a little...a second later the tail of a big black bovine creature flicked across my windscreen...I was too tired to shit but my missus reckons I wiped the cows arse with my door panel...so cassie fuckwit, sometimes you can react without even knowing why...beat that into your fucking suicidal dog brain ya fuckwit...

Concur. Had exactly the same thing happen on the Coromandel one night, pishing rain, no beef in the boot. Almost the same one other night, pishing rain, a big black dog was lying down in my lane, no doubt enjoying the last of the heat from the tar seal. Ended up in the ultimate evasion maneuver at 90kmh +. I love modern tires. Both times I had a spidy sense tingle.

I'm off to start a thread on dangerous roads.

[slofox]

So by your theory then ... when YOU hit a dog and fall off ... it would be an "Act of God" as it was not the fault of any actual person. As such ... there would be no way you could avoid it .. ???

Remember ... many insurance companies exclude "Acts of God" in their policy's ... ie: no one at fault they can get to court ... no one gets paid out.

I had such a case once. One of our steel barrows (heavy flat things for carrying trays of plants on) rolled off a hill and hit a parked customer's car. Insurance tried to get out of it by saying no one was at fault therefore no blame no claim.
I rang them and told them that it was someone's fault - some silly employee had neglected to engage the wheel brake (me actually). So they had to pay out.
Afterwards, I rang them and berated the shit out of them for not covering "no blame" cases. I told them they should cover no blame instead of blame cases. There liabilities would drop a lot I said. Never got a reply. So I rang them again and told them to shove their fucking cover up their arse and went to another insurer.
Vote with your feet I reckon.

[oldrider]

I had such a case once. One of our steel barrows (heavy flat things for carrying trays of plants on) rolled off a hill and hit a parked customer's car. Insurance tried to get out of it by saying no one was at fault therefore no blame no claim.
I rang them and told them that it was someone's fault - some silly employee had neglected to engage the wheel brake (me actually). So they had to pay out.
Afterwards, I rang them and berated the shit out of them for not covering "no blame" cases. I told them they should cover no blame instead of blame cases. There liabilities would drop a lot I said. Never got a reply. So I rang them again and told them to shove their fucking cover up their arse and went to another insurer.
Vote with your feet I reckon.

Well if nothing else it makes you feel better - at least until you find a company with matching or better rates!:shifty:

The adage: "Decide in haste - repent at leisure" springs to mind! :doh:

[caspernz]

Seeing as I started my riding days with just my dad and a few mates giving me guidance, I'm surprised how few incidents/accidents I actually had.

Looking back from where I'm at now, it staggers me how much I learned when I got serious about improving my skills.

The old adage of "we don't know what we don't know" certainly holds true.

[onearmedbandit]

which I detect may be the case with you.

You don't detect shit lol

[EJK]

Have never claimed I am a better rider than those that go to riding school..

Few posts ago...


I have been a quicker learner than you having no need to go to riding school.

I detect retardation or/ and memory loss from you.

[WNJ]

Suicidal bollocks.....the poor bloody things are terrified out of their minds in a blind panic

I dont know about that :shutup: the 4 peahens that ran into my right footpeg at speed seemed pretty suicidal :shit: They all got the outcome they were seeking,:shit::facepalm::sick::violin:

[FJRider]

Those sports players, or former sports players, amongst us, will completely understand that instinctive reaction :yes:

It's called training induced reaction.

http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fnhum.2012.00130/full

[YellowDog]

So back on topic to NZ Road accidents:

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[T.W.R]

I dont know about that :shutup: the 4 peahens that ran into my right footpeg at speed seemed pretty suicidal :shit: They all got the outcome they were seeking,:shit::facepalm::sick::violin:

Seen a couple of sheep do the "Toe Cutter crazy eye" when they've had close calls, the majority aren't in any way suicidal just a blind panic of terror, though as some of the KBers that have been in ChCh may question some of the sheep that used to have a tendency to just launch themselves onto the road up around the Summit Rd back in the old days.
As of this point in time I've had interactions with Sheep, Possums, Stoats, Rats, Sparrows, Blackbirds, Ducks, Pluvas, Magpies, Hawks, Dogs, & Cats funnily enough never came off in any of the incidents but have sent a few to their maker for an early date

[Jeff Sichoe]

don't forget pukeko, those fuckers are everywhere

[YellowDog]

don't forget pukeko, those fuckers are everywhere

If you catch them just right, they 'POP'. If you don't, you're farked :shit:

[Swoop]

don't forget pukeko, those fuckers are everywhere

I've only ever seen them near motorways.
Hence their name of "blue motorway chickens".

[jim.cox]

Hence their name of "blue motorway chickens".

And I thought that moniker applied to the gintlepong of the constabulary with the red and blue lights on their vehicles...

[ellipsis]

...i'm not sure who was the luckiest, me or the hare that decided to cross the road at the big corner by Birdlings Flat on SH75...I wasn't there when he decided to cross but cranked over at about 120k's meant I was there before he'd got a meter onto the road...I reckon his back feet were where my front wheel was going to be in a nanosecond...I was prepared for a rough exit and stood the bike up as quick as I could, at the same instant the hare stood up and leaned backwards past the vertical...I glimpsed his eyes as we passed within a whisker...my heart didn't do the big thump until a couple of seconds later...the duck that was gliding in to land on a river I was driving past timed it to perfection, if he really wanted to put his head into my spokes on the front wheel...blood and guts and feathers forever but I hardly felt the contact...

[jim.cox]

Once rode through a flock of starlings somewhere between Roxburgh and Alexandra.

Wondered why I got some very strange looks fueling up at the petrol station

Only then I realised I was covered in blood and feathers....

[YellowDog]

Once rode through a flock of starlings somewhere between Roxburgh and Alexandra.

Wondered why I got some very strange looks fueling up at the petrol station

Only then I realised I was covered in blood and feathers....

In my younger and considerably stupider days, I once went through a shady amber light, at a very high speed indeed (it was 5:30am in the morning), only to run into a flock of seagulls. I was going so fast that the turbulance kept the bike straight and I managed to hang on. I was very very lucky.

Haven't done the same since that time :no:

[Laava]

Once rode through a flock of starlings somewhere between Roxburgh and Alexandra.

Wondered why I got some very strange looks fueling up at the petrol station

Only then I realised I was covered in blood and feathers....

Probably thought you were Ozzy Osbourne!

[Maha]

Once rode through a flock of starlings somewhere between Roxburgh and Alexandra.

Wondered why I got some very strange looks fueling up at the petrol station

Only then I realised I was covered in blood and feathers....

There is a photo somewhere (was posted years ago) of Spanks SV thou and helmet after a bird strike at speed.

240kph V bird = https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/9102-Bird-strike-at-over-240kph?highlight=bird+strike

[YellowDog]

Is it a bird?

Is it a plane?

[ellipsis]

...a fellow I know in WA returned from just over 9000ks of a ride up to Queensland, weathered his way through the most destructive wind in Oz for some time, had to skirt bushfires, made it all the way back to WA and hit a small roo 100 meters from his driveway...month in hospital with grievous damage and fucked his Triumph...

[oldrider]

Is it a bird?

Is it a plane?

Someone is in big trouble - did you spot the double yellow??? :whistle:

[WNJ]

Is it a bird?

Is it a plane?

Cassina taking a corner at speed :facepalm:

[Maha]

Is it a bird?

Is it a plane?

Oh dear. :msn-wink:

[caspernz]

Someone is in big trouble - did you spot the double yellow??? :whistle:

Should have been wearing hi-viz and going much faster...


Cassina taking a corner at speed :facepalm:

Strange looking dog that's in that action shot :shutup:

[RDJ]

Cassina taking a corner at speed :facepalm:

Yes, but who is the bike rider?