Number plate recognition

[lb99]

Just got pinged for expired wof on my trailer, no biggie, i got compliance so ill sort it today, but it brings up a question.
When the computer automatically runs a plate, what info is it looking for?

What brings up a flag?

Obviously wof, reg,
What else?

[Akzle]

stolen, person of interest, coming soon: point-to-point speeding

[Brian d marge]

stolen, person of interest, coming soon: point-to-point speedingNail it , and have a cup of tea. Or failing that a tyre and sand soaked in gasoline.. bout time kiwis burnt a few cameras

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[lb99]

so how about license status? will that come up? eg learners on non lams bikes?

[bogan]

so how about license status? will that come up? eg learners on non lams bikes?

How would they know who is riding it?

[jellywrestler]

How would they know who is riding it?

when they pull you up to check, it's all there it's whether they want to have a crew and a caravan road spikes etc set up, or just a camera.

[nzspokes]

so how about license status? will that come up? eg learners on non lams bikes?

It will flag if the owner is licensed to ride the bike. Then they will check who is riding it.

[Akzle]

It will flag if the owner* is licensed to ride the bike. Then they will check who is riding it.

* person registered in respect of motor vehicle.

subtle, but important difference.
possession is 9/10ths and whatnot.

i wonder when they'll implement facial recognition as compared to the image held on their database?

like, if you drive your wife's car... and her beard is more epic than yours

[FJRider]

Just got pinged for expired wof on my trailer, no biggie, i got compliance so ill sort it today, but it brings up a question.
When the computer automatically runs a plate, what info is it looking for?

What brings up a flag?

Obviously wof, reg,
What else?

Remember ... with NPR cameras ... they don't have to stop you immediately. They can just send you the bill in the mail ... <_<

There are fixed NPR cameras ... and some (in increasing numbers) fitted to patrol cars ... Not all them have it yet. Those that don't ... will just radio in a plate number that attracts their attention. Or plate numbers at random as they cruise ... a sort of Police lucky dip ... :shifty:

[GazzaH]

i wonder when they'll implement facial recognition as compared to the image held on their database?

With my helmet on, I look completely different to the pic on my driving license. In fact, I look remarkably like my dad - a spooky fact I discovered when photographed on a boys nite out at an indoor kart track in Bristol a long time ago.


If you drive your wife's car... and her beard is more epic than yours

It is. Just don't tell her I said that.

[Moi]

...like, if you drive your wife's car... and her beard is more epic than yours

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8e/0d/62/8e0d62506f01551ea316cf5ca488db7c--bearded-lady-wild-women.jpg

[Brian d marge]

Those stories of big foot or Sasquatch in the Canadian wilderness were not stories , I know I married it
and you found the photo

fk

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[Akzle]

[IMG]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8e/0d/62/8e0d62506f01551ea316cf5ca488db7c--bearded-lady-wild-women.jpg[/IG]

i'd tap it .

[FJRider]

i wonder when they'll implement facial recognition as compared to the image held on their database?

like, if you drive your wife's car... and her beard is more epic than yours

Why ... ??? If they have doubts as to your identity ... and you have no photo ID ... they can arrest you and hold you in custody until your identity can be confirmed.

[AllanB]

See this cheating by the law is why electric motorcycles will become very attractive. Forget 300 kmph top speeds it will all be in the bounce to 130 or so with the electric motor.

[FJRider]

i'd tap it .

It will have less hair than your goats ... you probably wont like that ...

[Swoop]

like, if you drive your wife's car... and her beard is more epic than yours

Well, that'll fuck up the green voters...

[Akzle]

Why ... ??? If they have doubts as to your identity ... and you have no photo ID ... they can arrest you and hold you in custody until your identity can be confirmed.

arrest? or detain? you should probably avoid using words while you're a fuckwit.
nevermind "identity" as you think it is.

[pritch]

i'd tap it :love:

Fixed it for you, but why does that not surprise me? :whistle:

[Akzle]

Fixed it for you, but why does that not surprise me? :whistle:

because it has a vagina and a pulse, and i don't discriminate...

[rastuscat]

So much tripe on here.

I used to run ANPR in Christchurch. Ask me if you want facts.

[Jeeper]

So much tripe on here.

I used to run ANPR in Christchurch. Ask me if you want facts.I would appreciate your assistance with facts, in the interest of learning. Enlighten us.

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[rastuscat]

ANPR is a set of cameras attached to a computer. The cameras read plates, and the computer compares the read plates to the list of wanted vehicles loaded into the computer.

A new updated list is uploaded each day. It's not a data feed to an online database. That technology isn't with us yet. Wireless feeds aren't fast enough yet.

You can tell the computer to alert to whatever databases you want. Unlicensed vehicles, vehicles registered to wanted people, vehicles registered to disqualified people, for example.

If you program it to alert to too much, it nuts off so often you can't deal with all the hits. So they don't alert it to everything.

WoF details can come from NZTA, but so many vehicles have no or expired WoF, they just don't ask it to alert to those.

Reg details are loaded from NZTA, but only vehicles with licences expired for over 12 months I.e. lapsed vehicles.

Disqualified, suspended drivers are from NZTA. It alerts to vehicles registered to such drivers.

From Justice comes a database of people wanted on warrant.

And from an internal database comes a list of wanted vehicles. E.g. cars used in crimes, petrol drive offs etc.

Basically, there's a lot of myths about ANPR. Even within Police.

[Jeeper]

Thanks for your detailed response.

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[caspernz]

Thanks RC, that's exactly what my friendly local policeman told me a while back. Now there's a few disappointed KB'ers who need to whip up a storm in a thimble on another topic...:laugh:

[Laava]

Thanks RC, that's exactly what my friendly local policeman told me a while back. Now there's a few disappointed KB'ers who need to whip up a storm in a thimble on another topic...:laugh:

Haha, yeah wind them up and let them go!

[rastuscat]

I had some fun eith it in my last few days in the job.

I set it to alert to the number plate of the National motorcycle trainers patrol bike.

I programmed it to think that plate belonged to a convicted bank robber, and 2as wanted in relation to a bank job.

Then I drove past his bike, and got the photo. Printed it, popped it on the wall in the office.

Good times.

My last few days were fun.

[scumdog]

So much tripe on here.

I used to run ANPR in Christchurch. Ask me if you want facts.

I el-oh-elled at some of the posts..:weird::facepalm:

[rastuscat]

Remember ... with NPR cameras ... they don't have to stop you immediately. They can just send you the bill in the mail ... <_<

There are fixed NPR cameras ... and some (in increasing numbers) fitted to patrol cars ... Not all them have it yet. Those that don't ... will just radio in a plate number that attracts their attention. Or plate numbers at random as they cruise ... a sort of Police lucky dip ... :shifty:

ANPR is an expensive system. When I left there were only 13 nationwide. I don't think that number has grown much if at all in the last 2 years.

You've raised owner liability offences. Interesting topic. When can they just send you the bill in the mail?

Only for very specific offences. Parking offences, stationary vehicle offences (expired WoF or reg on a parked car), number plate offences.

The only cameras which can produce evidence leading to a ticket posted to the owner are approved vehicle surveillance units. Red light and speed cameras are the only approved vehicle surveillance equipment.

ANPR is not approved vehicle surveillance equipment so Police can't post out tickets based on ANPR hits.

Re lucky dip. More a case of unlucky dip.

[jellywrestler]

ANPR is an expensive system.

but we're told it's never about the money, it's about saving lives.

[ellipsis]

ANPR is an expensive system. When I left there were only 13 nationwide. I don't think that number has grown much if at all in the last 2 years.

You've raised owner liability offences. Interesting topic. When can they just send you the bill in the mail?

Only for very specific offences. Parking offences, stationary vehicle offences (expired WoF or reg on a parked car), number plate offences.

The only cameras which can produce evidence leading to a ticket posted to the owner are approved vehicle surveillance units. Red light and speed cameras are the only approved vehicle surveillance equipment.

ANPR is not approved vehicle surveillance equipment so Police can't post out tickets based on ANPR hits.

Re lucky dip. More a case of unlucky dip.


...well that nailed the arse of that fuckwit FJ Rider, the most experienced and know all twat on here to the wall, didn't it...good stuff...thanks RC...

[rastuscat]

but we're told it's never about the money, it's about saving lives.

The ANPR systems are paid for from Police operational budgets. Ticket revenue goes to the consolidated fund.

Don't blame Police.

[rastuscat]

but we're told it's never about the money, it's about saving lives.

I noticed a remarkable correlation when in the job.

People who wear seatbelts don't get seatbelt tickets. Similarly, people who don't speed don't get speeding tickets.

I can see a pattern. Others apparently can't.

[rastuscat]

Tickets are optional. Don't want Tickets? Don't give the cops an excuse to write one.

[trufflebutter]

Haha, yeah wind them up and let them go!

Like you do with someone who has epilepsy?

[scumdog]

The ANPR systems are paid for from Police operational budgets. Ticket revenue goes to the consolidated fund.

Don't blame Police.


You should have just left the nincompoops thinking the 'revenue gathering' dollars goes straight into the police funds..<_<

[pritch]

You should have just left the nincompoops thinking the 'revenue gathering' dollars goes straight into the police funds..<_<

Nah! We know it goes into the canteen fund. :whistle:

[lb99]

Great info, thats what i was looking for.
The cop who nabbed me, said it alerted him last time i passed him, and he just kept a lookout for me so he could give a reminder.

The plate in question is an old beat up black one, covered in shit. Standard trailer. Car camera read it just fine.



ANPR is a set of cameras attached to a computer. The cameras read plates, and the computer compares the read plates to the list of wanted vehicles loaded into the computer.

A new updated list is uploaded each day. It's not a data feed to an online database. That technology isn't with us yet. Wireless feeds aren't fast enough yet.

You can tell the computer to alert to whatever databases you want. Unlicensed vehicles, vehicles registered to wanted people, vehicles registered to disqualified people, for example.

If you program it to alert to too much, it nuts off so often you can't deal with all the hits. So they don't alert it to everything.

WoF details can come from NZTA, but so many vehicles have no or expired WoF, they just don't ask it to alert to those.

Reg details are loaded from NZTA, but only vehicles with licences expired for over 12 months I.e. lapsed vehicles.

Disqualified, suspended drivers are from NZTA. It alerts to vehicles registered to such drivers.

From Justice comes a database of people wanted on warrant.

And from an internal database comes a list of wanted vehicles. E.g. cars used in crimes, petrol drive offs etc.

Basically, there's a lot of myths about ANPR. Even within Police.

[rastuscat]

Great info, thats what i was looking for.
The cop who nabbed me, said it alerted him last time i passed him, and he just kept a lookout for me so he could give a reminder.

The plate in question is an old beat up black one, covered in shit. Standard trailer. Car camera read it just fine.

The black plates generally don't read well, unless the deflection angle is slight. He got lucky.

[schrodingers cat]

Maybe those who are worried about getting caught should learn to drive and ride in a way that does not attract police attention in the first place. No doubt your riding school could give those with such a problem a lesson Rastus?


LOLZ.


Ad Hominem me hearties!

[swbarnett]

Tickets are optional. Don't want Tickets? Don't give the cops an excuse to write one.
That old chestnut.

So what you're saying is that TPTB have a right to insist that I act in a way that may be against my inner nature even though what I'm doing is not causing any harm to anyone.

I still maintain that, although not to the same degree, the arbitrary application of speed limits and seatbelt and helmet laws (among others) is akin to telling dark skinned people to sit in their own section of the bus.

[HEsch]

Even "if" anything the cops did was 'revenue gathering', if you don't offend, you won't be caught/fined.

However, interesting feedback, so thanks. Learning new things all the time.

[ellipsis]

I still maintain that, although not to the same degree, the arbitrary application of speed limits and seatbelt and helmet laws (among others) is akin to telling dark skinned people to sit in their own section of the bus.


...choosing what laws suit your demeanour in life also means that you personally should have no qualms about forgiving thieves, rapists, murderers etc because they choose not to obey said laws...that doesn't remove the fact that some laws are still just bullshit...

[rastuscat]

That old chestnut.

So what you're saying is that TPTB have a right to insist that I act in a way that may be against my inner nature even though what I'm doing is not causing any harm to anyone.

I still maintain that, although not to the same degree, the arbitrary application of speed limits and seatbelt and helmet laws (among others) is akin to telling dark skinned people to sit in their own section of the bus.

Laws are set by the presiding parliament. Arbitrary they may be, but that's the way this country is run.

It's hard to enforce rules that aren't arbitrary. Like, good drivers (whatever that means) being allowed to go faster than bad drivers.

Both road users and those who are expected to enforce the rules deserve to know what is expected e.g. get caught not wearing a seatbelt, ticket time.

[lb99]

Laws are set by the presiding parliament. Arbitrary they may be, but that's the way this country is run.

It's hard to enforce rules that aren't arbitrary. Like, good drivers (whatever that means) being allowed to go faster than bad drivers.

Both road users and those who are expected to enforce the rules deserve to know what is expected e.g. get caught not wearing a seatbelt, ticket time.

so, to bring it back to the original post, if the registered owner of a vehicle is on a learner licence, will the computer put a flag up?

[rastuscat]

so, to bring it back to the original post, if the registered owner of a vehicle is on a learner licence, will the computer put a flag up?

No.

Hope that's clear enough.

[Akzle]

...choosing what laws suit your demeanour in life also means that you personally should have no qualms about forgiving thieves, rapists, murderers etc because they choose not to obey said laws...that doesn't remove the fact that some laws are still just bullshit...

*legislation


also you may have missed the "without causing harm to others" bit. that's a biggie.

also, just for the thread, i dont pay fines. and i regularly infringe legislations.

[FJRider]

ANPR is an expensive system. When I left there were only 13 nationwide. I don't think that number has grown much if at all in the last 2 years.

You've raised owner liability offences. Interesting topic. When can they just send you the bill in the mail?

Only for very specific offences. Parking offences, stationary vehicle offences (expired WoF or reg on a parked car), number plate offences.

The only cameras which can produce evidence leading to a ticket posted to the owner are approved vehicle surveillance units. Red light and speed cameras are the only approved vehicle surveillance equipment.

ANPR is not approved vehicle surveillance equipment so Police can't post out tickets based on ANPR hits.

Re lucky dip. More a case of unlucky dip.

I stand corrected ... Thank you.

See folks ... KB IS educational. Sign up your kids and raise the average IQ of the site ... :chase:

[Brian d marge]

So much tripe on here.

I used to run ANPR in Christchurch. Ask me if you want facts.New pair of glasses then?

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[lb99]

No.

Hope that's clear enough.

Cool, thank you :scooter:

[scumdog]

...choosing what laws suit your demeanour in life also means that you personally should have no qualms about forgiving thieves, rapists, murderers etc because they choose not to obey said laws...that doesn't remove the fact that some laws are still just bullshit...

Yep, a feature mostly ignored by those that think there's nothing wrong with ignoring 'their' particular laws.

I guess paedophiles think along those lines too and seen othing wroung with breaking that part of the law..;).

[Cosmik de Bris]

Yep, a feature mostly ignored by those that think there's nothing wrong with ignoring 'their' particular laws.

I guess paedophiles think along those lines too and seen othing wroung with breaking that part of the law..;).

Like that Green MP? Not that it's the crime you mentioned.

Cheers

[swbarnett]

...choosing what laws suit your demeanour in life also means that you personally should have no qualms about forgiving thieves, rapists, murderers etc because they choose not to obey said laws...that doesn't remove the fact that some laws are still just bullshit...
You're missing the point where I said I was harming no-one. The examples you mention are causing direct harm so aren't comparable.

[swbarnett]

Laws are set by the presiding parliament. Arbitrary they may be, but that's the way this country is run.
I understand this. My problem is that those that set the laws don't give a shit about the collateral damage they do along the way.


It's hard to enforce rules that aren't arbitrary.
Just because it's hard does not mean it shouldn't be done. I'd rather let genuine offenders off than catch innocent people in too wide a net.


Like, good drivers (whatever that means) being allowed to go faster than bad drivers.
Good drivers are ones that don't crash and show courtesy to others. Only in hindsight is it possible to say identify them.


Both road users and those who are expected to enforce the rules deserve to know what is expected e.g. get caught not wearing a seatbelt, ticket time.
I am against any law that penalises people for just living or tries to save me from myself. My body, my risk.

[rastuscat]

I understand this. My problem is that those that set the laws don't give a shit about the collateral damage they do along the way.


Just because it's hard does not mean it shouldn't be done. I'd rather let genuine offenders off than catch innocent people in too wide a net.


Good drivers are ones that don't crash and show courtesy to others. Only in hindsight is it possible to say identify them.


I am against any law that penalises people for just living or tries to save me from myself. My body, my risk.

Your body, your risk?

I guess that means that you'll be happy to pay the professional fees of a plastic surgeon trying to reconstruct your face after face planting a steering wheel.

And for the ambulance which picks you up. And the A&E folk who triage your injuries and call the plastic surgeon.

I understand your point though. I disagree with a number of our current rules. Cycle helmets being compulsory, for example. More lives have been lost through obesity through lack of cycling than head injuries saved by the rule.

We can disagree with the Rules. But it's a stretch to say that we should be allowed to make our own calls on everything. When there is a societal cost.

And given the decision making of some folk, I'm pretty happy with the system of rules we have.

[Akzle]

.

And given the decision making of some folk, I'm pretty happy with the system of rules we have.

really .?

[ellipsis]

You're missing the point where I said I was harming no-one. The examples you mention are causing direct harm so aren't comparable.


...I'm your average to above average law breaker...some laws are bullshit, as I said but I think you are missing the point...whether a law is a wank bullshit revenue gathering law or not, they are still statutes and as we live in this society and not outside of it, they are the laws...wank or not...I don't know how many drivers, riders I know who think they are good but in reality it is only in their own minds...how does Plod know who is capable of excessive speed and handling it all and someone who thinks they are good enough but in reality are dangers to themselves and others...

...maybe after being a dangerous cunt on wheels for a large part of my life and then getting a little wiser with age, a certain amount of acceptance of the rules/laws starts to emerge...having four kids who are now probably old to some on here and all being motorcyclists, drivers, makes all the shit you ever talked seem just like what it is, shit, when you start to worry about their driving habits that in the long distant past were the same bad habits you had...the bit about 'no harm to others', is also a bit of a thin on reality statement when it comes to motorcycles, cars...you just never know what may happen next out there and often it's someone else who wears the full force of your actions...but again I must reiterate that a lot of laws are wank, but laws that cover us all nonetheless...unless you are a 1%er and they get locked up too...or cassina...

[Akzle]

...I'm your average to above average law breaker...some laws are bullshit, as I said but I think you are missing the point...whether a law is a wank bullshit revenue gathering law or not, they are still statutes and as we live in this society and not outside of it, they are the laws...wank or not...I don't know how many drivers, riders I know who think they are good but in reality it is only in their own minds...how does Plod know who is capable of excessive speed and handling it all and someone who thinks they are good enough but in reality are dangers to themselves and others...

...maybe after being a dangerous cunt on wheels for a large part of my life and then getting a little wiser with age, a certain amount of acceptance of the rules/laws starts to emerge...having four kids who are now probably old to some on here and all being motorcyclists, drivers, makes all the shit you ever talked seem just like what it is, shit, when you start to worry about their driving habits that in the long distant past were the same bad habits you had...the bit about 'no harm to others', is also a bit of a thin on reality statement when it comes to motorcycles, cars...you just never know what may happen next out there and often it's someone else who wears the full force of your actions...but again I must reiterate that a lot of laws are wank, but laws that cover us all nonetheless...unless you are a 1%er and they get locked up too...or cassina...

yeah, nah

[Voltaire]

3:46 AM and on Kiwi Biker:woohoo::woohoo:

That's dedication.

Vote Axley

[Laava]

3:46 AM and on Kiwi Biker:woohoo::woohoo:

That's dedication.

Vote Axley

And he doesn't pay his fines he is fond of telling you. He has taken Rastuscats advice and doesn't ride a motorbike so he doesn't get fines. He's a clever little bene.
Why would I vote for him, is he on The Bachelor?

[swbarnett]

Your body, your risk?

I guess that means that you'll be happy to pay the professional fees of a plastic surgeon trying to reconstruct your face after face planting a steering wheel.

And for the ambulance which picks you up. And the A&E folk who triage your injuries and call the plastic surgeon.

I understand your point though. I disagree with a number of our current rules. Cycle helmets being compulsory, for example. More lives have been lost through obesity through lack of cycling than head injuries saved by the rule.

We can disagree with the Rules. But it's a stretch to say that we should be allowed to make our own calls on everything. When there is a societal cost.

Nowhere did I say that we should have carte blanche on everything. Only those things where we are the only possible direct victim. Personal autonomy tempered with an empathy for the needs of others is all I'm talking about. By all means have laws that stop me harming anyone else (anyone with a good sense of right and wrong will never run foul of these) but noone has the right to try and save me from myself.

And as for the financial cost, I will gladly help fund a system that creates a society where we are all free to pursue our passions. Yes, some people will get it wrong and need costly recovery efforts. That's the trade-off that I will happily live with.

If we don't do this the inevitable end is that anything that is remotely risky will be banned and life will become a drudge from beginning to end to the point that the suicide rate will go through the roof.

[swbarnett]

...how does Plod know who is capable of excessive speed and handling it all and someone who thinks they are good enough but in reality are dangers to themselves and others...
This is actually my point, they don't. Given that why give them a job that they can't possibly do? Arbitrary laws don't solve this situation either. I would far rather allow someone to make their own decisions about their own lives and get it wrong than stifle the entire society to the point where there's no point in living.

[Honest Andy]

Nowhere did I say that we should have carte blanche on everything. Only those things where we are the only possible direct victim. Personal autonomy tempered with an empathy for the needs of others is all I'm talking about. By all means have laws that stop me harming anyone else (anyone with a good sense of right and wrong will never run foul of these) but noone has the right to try and save me from myself.

And as for the financial cost, I will gladly help fund a system that creates a society where we are all free to pursue our passions. Yes, some people will get it wrong and need costly recovery efforts. That's the trade-off that I will happily live with.

If we don't do this the inevitable end is that anything that is remotely risky will be banned and life will become a drudge from beginning to end to the point that the suicide rate will go through the roof.

Ahh. You're talking about personal freedom. Don't be bloody silly. Nobody is stopping you building a private road and killing yourself on it.
You've got all the personal freedoms you could wish for, and more.
But when it comes to a public place, where I might be, I want you to be a bit more sensible than this stupid bloody claptrap suggests.

[Maha]

3:46 AM and on Kiwi Biker:woohoo::woohoo:

That's dedication.

Vote Axley

Getting ready to creep up on unsuspecting farm animals.

[swbarnett]

Ahh. You're talking about personal freedom. Don't be bloody silly. Nobody is stopping you building a private road and killing yourself on it.
So freedom is only for the rich.

Like others you seem to be missing the fact that I said "doing no harm to anyone".

[Akzle]

that the suicide rate will go through the roof.

:psst: nz is already liek, worst in oecd.

[trufflebutter]

the suicide rate will go through the roof.

.....and hit the concrete?

[scumdog]

So freedom is only for the rich.

Like others you seem to be missing the fact that I said "doing no harm to anyone".

'Personal freedom' and 'doing no harm to anyone' are at times mutually exclusive.

[Akzle]

'Personal freedom' and 'doing no harm to anyone' are at times mutually exclusive.

no.no.

legislaition has has not stopped even one infringement. ever.

[scumdog]

no.no.

legislaition has has not stopped even one infringement. ever.

Get back to yer slug guns...

[Akzle]

Get back to yer slug guns...



ok... so remind me of that time someone chose not to commit a crime because it was illegal.....

[bogan]

If I had to pick one word to describe dear old axklze, it'd be "delusions of competence"

[Honest Andy]

ok... so remind me of that time someone chose not to commit a crime because it was illegal.....

Oh are you talking about that time I decided not to do 70 in a 50kph zone?

[Akzle]

Oh are you talking about that time I decided not to do 70 in a 50kph zone?

you never exceed the posted speed limit? fuck me you are honest, andy.

[razza11]

you never exceed the posted speed limit? fuck me you are honest, andy.He just said not 70 in a 50. Didn't say he stuck to 50. Making it look like he's honest.

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[Honest Andy]

you never exceed the posted speed limit? fuck me you are honest, andy.

Haha I have been known to speed occasionally, especially through places like Whangarei. Something about a fear of nutters with guns.

You're up there somewhere aren't you?

Perhaps you could have a rummage through the ashes when no one's looking and increase your arsenal. A slightly scorched grenade might be useful for, um, phishing...

[Akzle]

Haha I have been known to speed occasionally,
right... so your decision not to do 70 in a 50 zone isn't based on some blind adherence to signage hm?
probably based more on what's fucken sensibly, hm?



especially through places like Whangarei. Something about a fear of nutters with guns.
we prefer the term "firearms enthusiasts”

.both of us.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/fd/55/4b/fd554bbaad9783185a6a9ac95a01513c.jpg
sorry mod your just going to have to resize that shit for me.



You're up there somewhere aren't you?
not SOMEWHERE up here son. i'm fucking EVERYWHERE up here.

[Black Knight]

Prolly not a good post at this time Andy.

[Honest Andy]

Prolly not a good post at this time Andy.

Too soon? Too easy to be taken the wrong way? Fair enough, I see that now. Cheers.

[Brian d marge]

right... so your decision not to do 70 in a 50 zone isn't based on some blind adherence to signage hm?
probably based more on what's fucken sensibly, hm?



we prefer the term "firearms enthusiasts”

.

dont u dare resize it

[swbarnett]

'Personal freedom' and 'doing no harm to anyone' are at times mutually exclusive.
If you want to be a pedantic bastard to prove a weak point, maybe.

However, personal freedom within a society only comes with personal responsibility. They cannot be separated.

[Moi]

...However, personal freedom within a society only comes with personal responsibility. They cannot be separated.

That's the crux of the problem: responsibility!

Too often the phrase "My rights..." - often meaning "my right to do as I like", could be argued to mean "my freedom" - is heard without the speaker accepting that "rights" go hand-in-hand with "responsibilities".

As for your example of speed and exceeding the "speed limit", I can see your position and have sympathy for you. However, even though you appear to take responsibility for your own actions there are many who have the attitude that it's the fault of someone else and unfortunately those are the ones that the legislation is aimed at.

As an aside, NSW until the late 1970s had a prima facie approach to speeds in country areas - if you were caught exceeding the speed limit you either accepted the "ticket" or you went to court and argued your case for exceeding it. I suspect you'd approve of such an approach.

[swbarnett]

That's the crux of the problem: responsibility!

Too often the phrase "My rights..." - often meaning "my right to do as I like", could be argued to mean "my freedom" - is heard without the speaker accepting that "rights" go hand-in-hand with "responsibilities".
Indeed. The trick is to remember that we're not alone on this planet and show courtesy to the needs and freedoms of others.


As for your example of speed and exceeding the "speed limit", I can see your position and have sympathy for you. However, even though you appear to take responsibility for your own actions there are many who have the attitude that it's the fault of someone else and unfortunately those are the ones that the legislation is aimed at.
The irony with speed limits (open road anyway) is that the roads are safer without them.


As an aside, NSW until the late 1970s had a prima facie approach to speeds in country areas - if you were caught exceeding the speed limit you either accepted the "ticket" or you went to court and argued your case for exceeding it. I suspect you'd approve of such an approach.
Yes and no. I'd far rather the cops had both the authority to not ticket me in the first place because they can see that what I'm doing is in no way dangerous to anyone.

[Brian d marge]

If you want to be a pedantic bastard to prove a weak point, maybe.

However, personal freedom within a society only comes with personal responsibility. They cannot be separated.
you fellas must have a lot of freedom , due to the amount of shit have been responsible for ....