It's official - Wellington bikers are ignored...

[Moi]

WCC officially ignores the Capital's bikers - council says it won't back the "inherently dangerous" mode of transport.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/95641994/motorcyclists-largely-ignored-when-it-comes-to-wellingtons-future-transport-plans

[Maha]

Yeah just reading that...

''The council's city networks chief transport advisor Steve Spence confirmed the sub-section of motorists is often deliberately left out of consultations.''

[Honest Andy]

They better build bigger roads then!

[Scuba_Steve]

Does this Spence moron believe that everyone that works in Wellington lives in Wellington?
I can't see riding a deadly peadly from Upper Hutt, Wairarapa, Kapiti Coast etc a "viable transport choice" & public transport is not only worse than bikes for space, environment & finances but also shit as a form of transport

[cheshirecat]

From Wellington Council.

The council's city networks chief transport advisor Steve Spence confirmed the sub-section of motorists is often deliberately left out of consultations

AND

"The position taken both at local and national level has been that motorcycling can't realistically be encouraged as a mode of transport because it is inherently dangerous when compared with, for example, travel by car or public transport."

From The Stuff today

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/95641994/motorcyclists-largely-ignored-when-it-comes-to-wellingtons-future-transport-plans

[pritch]

Nobody seriously expects anything intelligent to emanate from the Wellington Council, but even so that is depressing.

[george formby]

I posted a reply on Stuff hoping to gain glory and likes with my wit and knowledge. I guess the mod turned off an hour before they knocked off.

Any hoo. Succinctly- it's Cassinaish logic. A circular perspective v's an open perspective. Our representatives should be better informed and progressive.

Not seeing that here.

[caspernz]

By that logic a push bike must be almost a suicidal mode of transport :innocent::facepalm::blink::eek::weird:

[Bald Eagle]

No surprise there, WCC failing to function as usual.

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[Ocean1]

"But Spence said the council's focus was on getting the public, motorcyclists included, to consider safer, more environmentally friendly transport options."

It is no part of council's business to be attempting to impede their ratepayers' decisions on their mode of transport. It's their job to provide infrastructure to accommodate whatever vehicle their clients choose to use. Maybe Anne Tolley and Simon Bridges need send WCC a wee missive requiring them to pull their fucking heads in and do their job.

"Because of pressure on central city parking, they may want to look also at ride sharing, using public transport or other options which do not require a parking space in the central city."

And he may want to look at alternative means of employment. Seriously, who votes for these fuckwits? Based on this stunning turn of logic motorcycles should expect about 5 times the funding per vehicle than cars.

[Moi]

"But Spence said the council's focus was on getting the public, motorcyclists included, to consider safer, more environmentally friendly transport options."

I know it's the GWRC who are pulling the poles on the environmentally friendly trolleybuses, but I'm sure the WCC could have put up a really good argument for keeping them. If the new hybrid buses are not ready to take over from a tried and true method of propulsion, then Wellington will get some used diesel buses from Auckland. Go figure that one!


It is no part of council's business to be attempting to impede their ratepayers' decisions on their mode of transport. It's their job to provide infrastructure to accommodate whatever vehicle their clients choose to use. Maybe Anne Tolley and Simon Bridges need send WCC a wee missive requiring them to pull their fucking heads in and do their job.

I doubt if Simon Bridges would know what a "wee missive" is... They need Judith Collins who could just give them 'that look'!


"Because of pressure on central city parking, they may want to look also at ride sharing, using public transport or other options which do not require a parking space in the central city."

And he may want to look at alternative means of employment. Seriously, who votes for these fuckwits? Based on this stunning turn of logic motorcycles should expect about 5 times the funding per vehicle than cars.

Perhaps a bit of civil disobedience over parking is required? There's bound to be somewhere that bikes could be parked that would disrupt the traffic flow in the city?

As for voting for him, suspect he's a council officer and has an iron clad employment contract. There seems to be a number of these type of people in council positions.

[Maha]

"But Spence said the council's focus was on getting the public, motorcyclists included, to consider safer, more environmentally friendly transport options."

It is no part of council's business to be attempting to impede their ratepayers' decisions on their mode of transport. It's their job to provide infrastructure to accommodate whatever vehicle their clients choose to use. Maybe Anne Tolley and Simon Bridges need send WCC a wee missive requiring them to pull their fucking heads in and do their job.

"Because of pressure on central city parking, they may want to look also at ride sharing, using public transport or other options which do not require a parking space in the central city."

And he may want to look at alternative means of employment. Seriously, who votes for these fuckwits? Based on this stunning turn of logic motorcycles should expect about 5 times the funding per vehicle than cars.

Just wondering what ''environmentally friendly transport options'' could possibly be? hot air balloon perhaps? more direct from A-B without the traffic woes. A longboard would also fit nicely into that category, though not being able to road register one could rule it out.

I see Fatt Max has expressed his view ''One such motorcyclist, Mark Hill, believed motorbikes were a "practical and viable alternative to a car in all weathers" and should be championed by the council.''

[pritch]

It's uderstandable that Wellingtonians would be upset by the idiots they elected to their council, but two threads on the subject would seem one too many?

[Ocean1]

It's uderstandable that Wellingtonians would be upset by the idiots they elected to their council, but two threads on the subject would seem one too many?

Mate, if you'd seen the sheer number of such idiots involved you'd have to consider the number of threads complaining about their various transgressions as positively restrained. Massively understated, even.

I wonder, and I have no idea how this might have entered my head, if the quantity of such idiots entailed is in any way related to the likelihood of said idiots fulfilling some sort of productive role out in the real world. Y'know, the sort where you supposedly get paid roughly according to your ability to produce something people are willing to pay you for.

I mean, why so many bankrupts, disaffected academics, environmental activists forest & bird and league of wimin types? Is it possible, I wonder, if everyone else is too busy actually working for a crust?

[Swoop]

It really does sound like a Council breach of the Worksafe act, doesn't it?

Risk identified: yes.
Actions taken to mitigate risk: none.

[Ocean1]

I know it's the GWRC who are pulling the poles on the environmentally friendly trolleybuses, but I'm sure the WCC could have put up a really good argument for keeping them. If the new hybrid buses are not ready to take over from a tried and true method of propulsion, then Wellington will get some used diesel buses from Auckland. Go figure that one!



I doubt if Simon Bridges would know what a "wee missive" is... They need Judith Collins who could just give them 'that look'!



Perhaps a bit of civil disobedience over parking is required? There's bound to be somewhere that bikes could be parked that would disrupt the traffic flow in the city?

As for voting for him, suspect he's a council officer and has an iron clad employment contract. There seems to be a number of these type of people in council positions.

Aye Judith is a valid threat.

A friend was once responsible for the care and feeding of trolleybus poles. The rigmarole surrounding the replacement of rotten ones was literally unbelievable, the cost was simply huge, completely out of all proportion with the reasonably straightforward task. They installed a temporary pole while one rotten one was removed, decided the new one was going to be impeded by an adjacent power pole, argued with the owners of the power pole for 3 months about who was paying for that to be moved, installed a temporary pole while the old one was removed, then a second temporary one when the power pole was moved, then put the new pole in the same hole the old one had come out of. Unbelievable. And the number of entities involved in the job was also an eye opener, they waited three weeks because one official associated with subsequent remedial work was on holiday. And that nonsense is perfectly normal.

The civil disobedience thing has been done, on a small scale, but even on a big scale they simply don't give a fuck, they just aren't accountable for their decisions.

[Moi]

...A friend was once responsible for the care and feeding of trolleybus poles ... And that nonsense is perfectly normal...

I am sure there were problems with the former WCCT (Wellington City Corporation Transport) as to just how efficient it was. But I doubt if the present scenario, of so many clicking the ticket as it passes, is actually better. We have not improved the management of infrastructure; only provided contractual positions, which please HR people, for those who as you say would appear to struggle to hold down a street sweeping job.

And to publicly state that you "ignore" a sector of the transport/commuter population is, surely, pure arrogance. Accountability seems to synonymous to the above mentioned "clicking of the ticket".

[Akzle]

, who votes for these fuckwits?.

fuckwits. vote for those fuckwits.

like you.

[jasonu]

WCC officially ignores the Capital's bikers - council says it won't back the "inherently dangerous" mode of transport.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/95641994/motorcyclists-largely-ignored-when-it-comes-to-wellingtons-future-transport-plans

What a fucking surprise,......

[cheshirecat]

Just wondering what ''environmentally friendly transport options'' could possibly be? hot air balloon perhaps? more direct from A-B without the traffic woes. A longboard would also fit nicely into that category, though not being able to road register one could rule it out.

I see Fatt Max has expressed his view ''One such motorcyclist, Mark Hill, believed motorbikes were a "practical and viable alternative to a car in all weathers" and should be championed by the council.''Wrong Mark Hill

[Jeff Sichoe]

Look guys, this dude is unelected, and obviously has a bias against us.

Let him know in a polite manner what you think of his unwillingness to engage with the users of a very popular form of transport.

04 803 8099
steve.spence@wcc.govt.nz

http://wellington.govt.nz/have-your-say/contact-us

http://www.trafinz.org.nz/image/2/140/172/5/images/steve-spence-583cdf7de3928.jpg

[Ghost Lemur]

I was thinking about this today while riding to work. Here in chch seems to have the same unwritten mentality. Rather than supporting motorcyclists as a means of cutting down congestion amongst other things, it's seems to be all about cyclists and anti car. But done in a way which is working for no one.

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[Swoop]

Just laughing at Te Harold and it appears as if Wellington parking is increasing. No NOT the availability of spaces but the price.

Since there is a shortage of spaces and too much demand for them, the council sees this a perfect time to bend you over and arse-rape you and your wallet.

[James Deuce]

Just laughing at Te Harold and it appears as if Wellington parking is increasing. No NOT the availability of spaces but the price.

Since there is a shortage of spaces and too much demand for them, the council sees this a perfect time to bend you over and arse-rape you and your wallet.
Nothing like leveraging off an earthquake that closed two large parking buildings with one of them already demolished to motivate a Council to extort more money.

[Swoop]

Nothing like leveraging off an earthquake that closed two large parking buildings with one of them already demolished to motivate a Council to extort more money.

I believe this is the new motto of the council... "We're not happy until you're not happy".

[Paulo]

I don't feel ignored, the bastards gave me a $40 ticket for parking in a car park on a Sunday for five minutes (free parking on a Sunday) clearly they were paying attention .

[Pixie]

Wake up!

Ever since the advent of "Safer Journeys" policy,all NZ authorities have had a hidden agenda to eliminate motorcycling by making it inconvenient and expensive.
Why?
Because they can not reach their zero road fatalities target while bikes are still being ridden by NZers.

It was even reported by a Safer Journeys insider, in these forums ,that at some of their meetings they had a banner showing a ban motorcycles graphic (a la ghostbusters) on the wall.

[RDJ]

From Wellington Council.

The council's city networks chief transport advisor Steve Spence confirmed the sub-section of motorists is often deliberately left out of consultations

AND

"The position taken both at local and national level has been that motorcycling can't realistically be encouraged as a mode of transport because it is inherently dangerous when compared with, for example, travel by car or public transport."

From The Stuff today

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/95641994/motorcyclists-largely-ignored-when-it-comes-to-wellingtons-future-transport-plans


Well, I've been ignoring Wellington's Woeful Council for some years already so, nothing will change.

[rastuscat]

I don't think example fits in the right for this. never mind.

Awesome thread dredge. Go you.

This thread died for a reason.

[RDJ]

It's not dead. It's just pining for the fjords.