Displaying WOF and Reg stickers

[HEsch]

Weird question, but probably surprisingly common... The little plastic holder for WOF and Reg seems to have come unscrewed, meaning my bike is a little more naked than usual.
I have got a new holder and a copy of the WOF from the dealers, but they didn't stick anything together for me as I didn't have the bike there (was running errands with the car). I don't want to get pinged for not displaying either thing correctly - which one should face outwards, the WOF or the registration?
I will locktite the screw (it must have jiggled itself undone).

[haydes55]

Doesn't matter in the slightest.

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[russd7]

both should be able to be seen and read without difficulty but commonly the license is considered most important and the wof holder is screwed on the back, personally my wof cant be viewed without me opening somit up, the wings wof is in the topbox and the zzr wof is in the side pocket.

ya sure someone didn't pinch your original holder, haven't heard it happening for years but used to be quite common

[neels]

My rego is mounted below the number plate, so readable from behind the bike, the wof is in a plastic holder on the back side of the plate with the expiry date facing outwards so it can be read.

Use nyloc nuts to attach things....

[AllanB]

Law says something like must be clearly visible.

[HEsch]

Definitely didn't get pinched, bike has been locked in the garage at home. Holder thingee was there last weekend, as was the orange reflector on the same fitting, but not today, so must have lost it on my last ride. Was only one plastic holder before, but I don't remember which bit was facing out. Don't want to get stung by Auckland parking wardens when bike goes up in a couple of weeks to be my daily commuter.

[scumdog]

Weird question, but probably surprisingly common... The little plastic holder for WOF and Reg seems to have come unscrewed, meaning my bike is a little more naked than usual.
I have got a new holder and a copy of the WOF from the dealers, but they didn't stick anything together for me as I didn't have the bike there (was running errands with the car). I don't want to get pinged for not displaying either thing correctly - which one should face outwards, the WOF or the registration?
I will locktite the screw (it must have jiggled itself undone).


They normally have nyloc nuts to stop them becoming undone.

[rastuscat]

It's kind of weird.

The WoF has to be mounted where it can be easily read by someone looking for it.

The reg is a different story. Mounting of the reg is dealt with under a different piece of legislation. It also has to be visible to anyone looking, but it also has to be adjacent to the licence plate.

Silly rules.

[HEsch]

Have used a trusty cable tie.
Coulda shoulda woulda been a nyloc nut on back of the reflector, but whatever it was, it isn't there any more.

[AllanB]

The reg is a different story. Mounting of the reg is dealt with under a different piece of legislation. It also has to be visible to anyone looking, but it also has to be adjacent to the licence plate.

Guess I'm breaking the law then. I've stuck mine under the tail. Easily visible for anyone looking, but not adjacent to the number plate. One does not want to ruin the lines of the tail tidy you understand officer :sunny:

[Laava]

IMO you only need it to be showing for parking wardens. I dont park in town ever so keep mine under the seat where it lurks unseen until replaced. The cops NEVER ask for it cos by the time they get out of their car, they already know whether you are up to date or not. I have never been asked for it in the times I have been pulled over.

[ellipsis]

...mine are in places where the filth have to squat or kneel to see them...that's how I like it, and that's that...wanky, little, money grubbing laws that irritate in their mediocrity...

[AllanB]

Once they set up their cameras to scan the rego sticker barcode when you ride past they will get tight on enforcement. New technology is not always good.

[ellipsis]

...should I cut my dick off now or wait 'til they tell me?...

[rastuscat]

There was a parking warden who tagged a cops personal Harley for having the licence label in the wrong place. It was mounted on the front frame member by the Harley dealer. As they had done with all the Harleys they sold.

The ticket stood. It's an offence. Fair to say it started something big a war of the tickets.

[Taxythingy]

There was a parking warden who tagged a cops personal Harley for having the licence label in the wrong place. It was mounted on the front frame member by the Harley dealer. As they had done with all the Harleys they sold.

The ticket stood. It's an offence. Fair to say it started something big a war of the tickets.


This is going to be good...

332363

[rastuscat]

Parking Wardens in our town watch their Ps and Qs when driving.

Or else.

[Ghost Lemur]

Mine rego came mounted on the side near the rearsets. Not even sure where the WOF is located.

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[Laava]

There was a parking warden who tagged a cops personal Harley for having the licence label in the wrong place. It was mounted on the front frame member by the Harley dealer. As they had done with all the Harleys they sold.

The ticket stood. It's an offence. Fair to say it started something big a war of the tickets.

I don't believe parking wardens should be concerned with wof and regos. Ever.

[Maha]

I don't believe parking wardens should be concerned with wof and regos. Ever.

Having that little bit of perceived power makes their minge twinge, yes even the male ones.

Trying to take a photo of a ship berthed at Princes Wharf some years ago, I stepped inside that red fence a few meters to get a better shot, this security guard came up to me and asked ...conversation went as follows.

''Are you boarding the boat''?
''No just want a photo''
''Step back out onto the foot path please'' so I took a couple of steps back.
''Is this far enough''?
''No'' so I took a couple of steps back.
''Is this far enough''?
''No'' so I take couple more steps back
''How about now''?
''Back on the foot path please'' so now I am on the foot path
''Is this okay''?
''Yes''.

''Right now get out of my fucking way so that I can take a photo''

[pritch]

I don't believe parking wardens should be concerned with wof and regos. Ever.

Agreed but... The Council here used to have a rule to the effect that no employee was ever to place themselves in an adversarial situation with a rate payer. Of course as soon as there was a buck in it that rule went out the window.

[Ocean1]

I don't believe parking wardens should be concerned with wof and regos. Ever.

Aye. It's not like councils are at all interested in people doing business in their shitty little kingdoms, now is it?

I certainly don't bother, they became far too pompous and difficult to deal with decades ago, and I've avoided their various commercial incarnations wherever possible ever since.



Grasping cunts.

[Jeff Sichoe]

Having that little bit of perceived power makes their minge twinge, yes even the male ones.

Trying to take a photo of a ship berthed at Princes Wharf some years ago, I stepped inside that red fence a few meters to get a better shot, this security guard came up to me and asked ...conversation went as follows.

''Are you boarding the boat''?
''No just want a photo''
''Step back out onto the foot path please'' so I took a couple of steps back.
''Is this far enough''?
''No'' so I took a couple of steps back.
''Is this far enough''?
''No'' so I take couple more steps back
''How about now''?
''Back on the foot path please'' so now I am on the foot path
''Is this okay''?
''Yes''.

''Right now get out of my fucking way so that I can take a photo''

Just pretend you're a tourist and can't speak proper England and you can get away with murder

[Maha]

Just pretend you're a tourist and can't speak proper England and you can get away with murder

Someone once said ''Geez you've got a lot of teeth for a smart cunt'' not sure it was directed at me, but it was said.

[Scuba_Steve]

I don't believe parking wardens should be concerned with wof and regos. Ever.

I'm actually interested in how they get paid.
We know they cops are acting as a profit making organisation & being hired by the NZTA to do their job for them in complete contravene to the rules that be from my understanding; but what about these wardens? Is the NZTA throwing moneys at them, do they get commission, or are they doing it on the back of the rate payers for 'free'?

[rastuscat]

I'm actually interested in how they get paid.
We know they cops are acting as a profit making organisation & being hired by the NZTA to do their job for them in complete contravene to the rules that be from my understanding; but what about these wardens? Is the NZTA throwing moneys at them, do they get commission, or are they doing it on the back of the rate payers for 'free'?

Wardens are council employees. So get paid the same way as any other council employee.

When they write a ticket there's a revenue split when the fine is paid. I suspect it's a different percentage depending on the offence i.e. WoF tickets versus parking meter tickets. A certain percentage goes to council, the rest going to the consolidated fund.

If a warden writes 10 tickets per day he'll get paid the same as if he wrote 20 per day.

Remarkably, I have noticed a trend. People with current WoF displayed as it should be tend to not get WoF tickets from parking wardens.

Spooky.

[BMWGSER]

There was a parking warden who tagged a cops personal Harley for having the licence label in the wrong place. It was mounted on the front frame member by the Harley dealer. As they had done with all the Harleys they sold.

The ticket stood. It's an offence. Fair to say it started something big a war of the tickets.

Would of got waived in the city of sales , JP's would throw it out as not being fare and reasonable .
Your right it is an offence NZTA. Tidied that up in 2011.

[Scuba_Steve]

Wardens are council employees. So get paid the same way as any other council employee.

When they write a ticket there's a revenue split when the fine is paid. I suspect it's a different percentage depending on the offence i.e. WoF tickets versus parking meter tickets. A certain percentage goes to council, the rest going to the consolidated fund.

If a warden writes 10 tickets per day he'll get paid the same as if he wrote 20 per day.

Remarkably, I have noticed a trend. People with current WoF displayed as it should be tend to not get WoF tickets from parking wardens.

Spooky.

Yea I wasn't meaning the individual (tho I have heard rumors about "bonus schemes" for tickets (parking side)) I was talking the company behind them
So it is a kickback scheme which would explain why they go so far out of the way to find infringements, cause really a parking warden has no place in an industrial area with plenty of parking & no pay & displays/time limits on parking, yet here they come.

[rastuscat]

Yea I wasn't meaning the individual (tho I have heard rumors about "bonus schemes" for tickets (parking side)) I was talking the company behind them

Sigmund Freud identified a number of self defence mechanisms when considering identity.

One such is deflection. When accused of something, simply blame the person accusing you. It makes you feel as if it's not your fault.

This happens frequently with tickets. For example, people get seatbelt tickets because the snakes are revenue collecting scum, who have a quota to fill.

When in fact, people get seatbelt tickets because they weren't wearing their seatbelt.

It suits us to bag parking wardens, it makes us feel better about parking tickets.

Just a reflection.

[Scubbo]

shire-ly a parking warden should only be checking the metal lump isnt taking up the parking space for longer than stated time on the sign as set by council as voted in by "peers"

how can they impose any other fine other than the lump taking up designated space type infringements? super unqualified I would have thought?

just reading this: https://at.govt.nz/driving-parking/parking-rules/a-parking-officers-job/

they can check your tires and stuff too... wonder what qualifies them for the job?

[caspernz]

Having that little bit of perceived power makes their minge twinge, yes even the male ones.

Trying to take a photo of a ship berthed at Princes Wharf some years ago, I stepped inside that red fence a few meters to get a better shot, this security guard came up to me and asked ...conversation went as follows.

''Are you boarding the boat''?
''No just want a photo''
''Step back out onto the foot path please'' so I took a couple of steps back.
''Is this far enough''?
''No'' so I took a couple of steps back.
''Is this far enough''?
''No'' so I take couple more steps back
''How about now''?
''Back on the foot path please'' so now I am on the foot path
''Is this okay''?
''Yes''.

''Right now get out of my fucking way so that I can take a photo''

Security guards...oh boy do I have some anecdotes about them. Delivering at a petrol station after hours, when I used to haul fuel, for some reason set off the site alarm. Oh well, not my problem really. Started delivering, next security guard turns up asking (no demanding) what the hell I was doing. Ok Sherlock, the truck, my uniform and the servo livery all match up, would you like me to draw you a crayon picture? He insisted I couldn't be there and that I should leave forthwith or he'd call the real police. My laugh made sure he called them real quick...:facepalm::confused:

Only a few minutes later 2 marked police cars scream up with blues and twos, a full compliment of boys in blue hop out, maybe expecting the place has been robbed/burgled whatever. Finding no suspicious activity the senior constable asks me who called for help. I kindly directed him to the chap who was masquerading as a security guard. Much laughter later, delivery completed by now, and the boys in blue all having a mighty big laugh before we all went our merry way.

Parking wardens I've not had any issues with personally, although it must be said I follow Rastus' advice in keeping my vehicles legal and all. Maybe I'm missing out on some fun because of it...:shutup::innocent:

[Scuba_Steve]

Sigmund Freud identified a number of self defence mechanisms when considering identity.

One such is deflection. When accused of something, simply blame the person accusing you. It makes you feel as if it's not your fault.

This happens frequently with tickets. For example, people get seatbelt tickets because the snakes are revenue collecting scum, who have a quota to fill.

When in fact, people get seatbelt tickets because they weren't wearing their seatbelt.

It suits us to bag parking wardens, it makes us feel better about parking tickets.

Just a reflection.

Seatbelt really has nothing to do with anyone but me, if I don't want to wear one that should be upto me I'm the one going to suffer the effects; so yes "revenue collecting scum" as you say
Parking wardens provide a non-service, they do nothing that actually helps anyone so it's quite easy to think them also "revenue collecting scum"; hell WellyTown City Council even indirectly call them as such as they openly admit paid parking has nothing to do with moving people along, it's all about the money!

[AllanB]

shire-ly a parking warden should only be checking the metal lump isnt taking up the parking space for longer than stated time on the sign as set by council as voted in by "peers"

how can they impose any other fine other than the lump taking up designated space type infringements? super unqualified I would have thought?

just reading this: https://at.govt.nz/driving-parking/parking-rules/a-parking-officers-job/

they can check your tires and stuff too... wonder what qualifies them for the job?

It's all local body certified.

I don't have a issue with them being able to fine for not having a WOF or rego - I have seen some very dangerous cars parked on the side of the road - metal cords showing through tyres and the like. Fuckers should be done for potential manslaughter driving a piece of shit like that.

The thing with late model cars is - you do nothing to them. Once a year if lucky they get a mechanical service (and no doubt the owner bitches about the cost), they are so reliable that people have LOST the personal responsibility of physically checking their own tyres etc to ensure they are roadworthy.

[rambaldi]

It's all local body certified.

I don't have a issue with them being able to fine for not having a WOF or rego - I have seen some very dangerous cars parked on the side of the road - metal cords showing through tyres and the like. Fuckers should be done for potential manslaughter driving a piece of shit like that.

The thing with late model cars is - you do nothing to them. Once a year if lucky they get a mechanical service (and no doubt the owner bitches about the cost), they are so reliable that people have LOST the personal responsibility of physically checking their own tyres etc to ensure they are roadworthy.

Having checked out a few of the bikes that I have seen parked up, the ones that have an out of data rego tend to not be ones where the owner has just forgotten to do it. The rego is usually out by at least a year or two (and the owners are parking them where they know the council can't check). Similar goes for the ones that were unwarrantable, they were not just a little bit outside the line they were a lot. Probably ex hyosung cup racers. More zip tie that bike (and certain more duck tape than exhaust).

[rastuscat]

Parking wardens provide a non-service, they do nothing that actually helps anyone so it's quite easy to think them also "revenue collecting scum"

When I drive into the city and I want to find a kerbside P60 park, I don't want that P60 parked in by someone who just thinks they own the space. I want the P60s enforced.

So does the shop owners nearby, who want parking spaces to be available to customers, not parked out by selfish bastards who just don't give a toss.

It's about rationing a finite asset i.e. roadside parking spaces.

And while they are at it, I think it would be dumb if a parking warden could slap a parking ticket on a car, but be unable to do nothing about the expired reg or warrant.

As the law stands, the owner of a vehicle is deemed liable for that vehicle when it is in a public place. I'm okay with parking wardens tagging expired WoF and licence labels, as I have the sense to keep mine current.

[Scuba_Steve]

When I drive into the city and I want to find a kerbside P60 park, I don't want that P60 parked in by someone who just thinks they own the space. I want the P60s enforced.

So does the shop owners nearby, who want parking spaces to be available to customers, not parked out by selfish bastards who just don't give a toss.

It's about rationing a finite asset i.e. roadside parking spaces.

And while they are at it, I think it would be dumb if a parking warden could slap a parking ticket on a car, but be unable to do nothing about the expired reg or warrant.

As the law stands, the owner of a vehicle is deemed liable for that vehicle when it is in a public place. I'm okay with parking wardens tagging expired WoF and licence labels, as I have the sense to keep mine current.

Cept again parking enforcement has done shit all to keep cars cycling, which is why WCC admit it's only there to make money... because it's only there to make money
This is also why alot of the meters going in now allow remote time top-up's

As the law stands what they're doing (or more the way they go about it) is illegal but that's another issue
My problem with it is they've made up a meaning for a word which in the real world makes no sense but suits their agenda & these wardens go far away from timed parking in to areas they should not be
We've had to write letters on behalf of customers on more than 1 occasion because we parked their vehicles on the road in an industrial area, far far away from any metered parking or hard to find parking, which we did due to space constraints in the workshop while their vehicles were in with us for repairs
A vehicle sitting on the side of the road without an engine running, with no keys, people or drivers in it, is NOT in operation; what a load of shit that made up meaning to a word that already has meaning that is!

[Jeeper]

Seatbelt really has nothing to do with anyone but me, if I don't want to wear one that should be upto me I'm the one going to suffer the effects; so yes "revenue collecting scum" as you say
Parking wardens provide a non-service, they do nothing that actually helps anyone so it's quite easy to think them also "revenue collecting scum"; hell WellyTown City Council even indirectly call them as such as they openly admit paid parking has nothing to do with moving people along, it's all about the money!So you'll be happy to foot the health bill by yourself for your own recovery because you chose not to wear the seat belt? No claim on ACC or public health services?

[Scuba_Steve]

So you'll be happy to foot the health bill by yourself for your own recovery because you chose not to wear the seat belt? No claim on ACC or public health services?

I usually choose to wear a seatbelt; but given the stupidity of your argument with the high chance you ride an inherently dangerous form of transport (due to your presence on this forum) are you happy to foot the health bill by yourself for your own recovery because you choose a form of transport that is inherently dangerous & this fact is well know by pretty much everyone? No claim on ACC or public health services

Might be time to take care where you throw those stones, glass houses & all that

[Jeeper]

You chose to break the law and front the consequences. I chose to operate within the law and use what's available to me as a rego payer for my chosen mode of transport. Big difference between deliberately breaking the law versus operating within the legal parameters.

[Scuba_Steve]

You chose to break the law and front the consequences. I chose to operate within the law and use what's available to me as a rego payer for my chosen mode of transport. Big difference between deliberately breaking the law versus operating within the legal parameters.

I operate a couple vehicles I don't have to wear seatbelts in, I can choose if I want to; but this choice was only since a couple years back before that it was illegal for me to wear seatbelts in them
But hey use your "but I operate within the law" as validation that somehow your dangerous activity should be allowed while someone else's should not. Personal harm should be personal choice!

[scumdog]

Seatbelt really has nothing to do with anyone but me, if I don't want to wear one that should be upto me I'm the one going to suffer the effects; so yes "revenue collecting scum" as you say
Parking wardens provide a non-service, they do nothing that actually helps anyone so it's quite easy to think them also "revenue collecting scum"; hell WellyTown City Council even indirectly call them as such as they openly admit paid parking has nothing to do with moving people along, it's all about the money!


Do and think what you want - but if you don't wear a seatbelt when driving and get a ticket be sure to post about it on KB and blame 'the man'.

The sympathy you'll receive will be awesome!:killingme

[scumdog]

I operate a couple vehicles I don't have to wear seatbelts in, I can choose if I want to; but this choice was only since a couple years back before that it was illegal for me to wear seatbelts in them
But hey use your "but I operate within the law" as validation that somehow your dangerous activity should be allowed while someone else's should not. Personal harm should be personal choice!


Howzabout 'no seatbelt - no ACC'?

[Scuba_Steve]

Howzabout 'no seatbelt - no ACC'?

Shit I would have thought you'd be a bit better than that Scummy given you like a car where seatbelts were optional & ride an inherently dangerous vehicle. Would you be just as keen for "Ride a bike no ACC"?
Again until 2011? (I think it was) my Landy wasn't even allowed to have seatbelts thanks to NZTA's moronic rules & even now they're optional

Not wearing a seatbelt is about equal to riding a bike as far as safety goes, so all these bikers against personal choice for personal injury should probably take a long hard look at the inherently dangerous machine they've chosen to ride & maybee replace their glass house with something stronger before throwing stones

[FJRider]

Do and think what you want - but if you don't wear a seatbelt when driving and get a ticket be sure to post about it on KB and blame 'the man'.

The sympathy you'll receive will be awesome!:killingme

As I understood the law ... if seat-belts are fitted ... they must be worn. Regardless of the fact that the fitting them was optional ...



Or did I get it wrong ... again ... ???

[rastuscat]

As I understood the law ... if seat-belts are fitted ... they must be worn. Regardless of the fact that the fitting them was optional ...

Correct - a - mundo

[Cosmik de Bris]

Seatbelt really has nothing to do with anyone but me,

You selfish bastard! What if you hit an improperly parked caravan, and are catapulted through the windshield and land on a mother and her triplets?

Cheers

[FJRider]

Howzabout 'no seatbelt - no ACC'?

Sounds a bit like Cassina's ... "No ACC for those at fault in an accident" suggestion ... :laugh:

But in the commission of a crime ... ACC might be refused ... ???

[neels]

Again until 2011? (I think it was) my Landy wasn't even allowed to have seatbelts thanks to NZTA's moronic rules & even now they're optional
A bit before 2011 I added seatbelts to the back of one of my cars, using the seatbelt mounting points which were there from factory but not used, when I went for a WOF I was failed as they hadn't been put in by a certified installer. So I took them back out again, and drove the kids around with no seat belts instead, apparently much safer. :crazy:

[Scuba_Steve]

You selfish bastard! What if you hit an improperly parked caravan, and are catapulted through the windshield and land on a mother and her triplets?

Cheers
Hey at-least thats only 4 people unlike you on your crotch-rocket hitting an oilslick & sending yourself as well as that 200kg of steel through a pre-school class of 20 walking down the street... Killing 20 innocent kids cause you choose an inherently unsafe for of transport over a cage.


A bit before 2011 I added seatbelts to the back of one of my cars, using the seatbelt mounting points which were there from factory but not used, when I went for a WOF I was failed as they hadn't been put in by a certified installer. So I took them back out again, and drove the kids around with no seat belts instead, apparently much safer. :crazy:

Yea, fucking retarded right!

[Jeeper]

As I understood the law ... if seat-belts are fitted ... they must be worn. Regardless of the fact that the fitting them was optional ...



Or did I get it wrong ... again ... ???And that was what my argument was. Riding a motorcycle or whatever legally is different than disobeying legal requirements (i.e. choosing to not wear seatbelts when required to by law). Now if I was to ride a motorcycle that I am not allowed (i.e. a non-LAMS bike when I am on restricted or learners), then yes I will take the responsibility personally and should not expect any kind of subsidy.

[Jeeper]

Hey at-least thats only 4 people unlike you on your crotch-rocket hitting an oilslick & sending yourself as well as that 200kg of steel through a pre-school class of 20 walking down the street... Killing 20 innocent kids cause you choose an inherently unsafe for of transport over a cage.



Yea, fucking retarded right!Hows that different in hitting an oil spill at speed in a car, 4x4, bus, truck or anything and causes death? Have you never hit black ice on road in a car? Every mode of transport has inherent risks for self-harm as well as harm to others. Even horses can buck!

[Scuba_Steve]

Hows that different in hitting an oil spill at speed in a car, 4x4, bus, truck or anything and causes death? Have you never hit black ice on road in a car? Every mode of transport has inherent risks for self-harm as well as harm to others. Even horses can buck!

Yea exactly, roads are dangerous; The level of danger I want to subject myself to should be no-ones business but my own.
The argument "but it's dangerous" is a BS one that'll one day be used to further oppress the vehicle choice we have all made
Anyone complaining about another's choice to wear a seatbelt should really go sell their bike immediately never to ride again & go get themselves a nice safe cage with all the latest safety features, cause a bike is no safer than not wearing a seatbelt the only difference is they haven't legislated against bikes yet.

I choose to ride a bike & I accept the risks, I usually choose to wear a seatbelt but do on occasion drive vehicles without them or where wearing them is completely pointless
I don't believe in controlling others, if they choose to endanger or harm themselves that's their business.

[neels]

The argument "but it's dangerous" is a BS one that'll one day be used to further oppress the vehicle choice we have all made.
Let's hope not.

I was driving a 1927 car in the weekend, no roof, no seatbelts, appalling brakes, it's bloody good fun. Then again it must be safe, the ACC levy for it is fuck all.....<_<

[FJRider]

Seatbelt really has nothing to do with anyone but me, if I don't want to wear one that should be upto me I'm the one going to suffer the effects; so yes "revenue collecting scum" as you say

Perhaps ... those "revenue collecting scum" are just sick of pulling battered bodies out of wrecks ... or out of the roadside ditches (alive or dead) ... simply because it was "THEIR choice" not to fasten their seat-belt.
Seat-belts do not save lives in every accident ... but even the most ardent gambler would take the best odd's possible ... if it was their life at stake.



Parking wardens provide a non-service, they do nothing that actually helps anyone so it's quite easy to think them also "revenue collecting scum"; hell WellyTown City Council even indirectly call them as such as they openly admit paid parking has nothing to do with moving people along, it's all about the money!

Tell that to the rate payers of the city. Parking fees provide millions of $$$$$$$$$$$ into the coffers ... that ratepayers don't need to fund.

[Scuba_Steve]

Perhaps ... those "revenue collecting scum" are just sick of pulling battered bodies out of wrecks ... or out of the roadside ditches (alive or dead) ... simply because it was "THEIR choice" to ride a bike.
Cages do not save lives in every accident ... but even the most ardent gambler would take the best odd's possible ... if it was their life at stake.

My point still stands!




Tell that to the rate payers of the city. Parking fees provide millions of $$$$$$$$$$$ into the coffers ... that ratepayers don't need to fund.
Who da fuck do you think is paying not only the parking fees but also the meters & for the wardens??? Give you a hint, it starts with rate & ends in payers

[FJRider]

Who da fuck do you think is paying not only the parking fees but also the meters & for the wardens??? Give you a hint, it starts with rate & ends in payers

How much a week do you spend on parking meters ... ???

[Cosmik de Bris]

One of my mates had a van that he had made into a camper van thing. He left the seat belts in place so that he could remove the bed etc and put the seats back if needed. The MOT said that if he had seat belts he had to have proper seats installed. No warrant!

Cheers

[Jeeper]

That's general rule with a few things. If they are installed, they must work. If they aren't there, no problem.

[Old Steve]

I'd be interested to know if Scuba Steve pays ACC for the increased risk of injury or death whenever he decides to drive a car without wearing the seatbelts if fitted? Or texts them that he's decided to withdraw from the contract that ACC coverage is based on.

Basically ACC are saying, you'll take all legal steps to reduce injury or death and we will cover your time off work, repair and rehabilitation. Wearing a helmet and a seatbelt, having your vehicle in a safe condition, these should be conditions for receiving ACC compensation. If proved you're driving in a manner against the law, then ACC shouldn't cover you. Mind, that'd be a bit of a worry if you came off your bike at 101 km/hr, but of course any bike rider would only be "doing 90 or 95, officer."

And that, Scuba Steve, is why motorbike registrations are so damn expensive, it's the extra ACC levy to cover the increased risk of us injuring ourselves or dying. A motorcyclist has 22 times the risk of death or injury compared to a car driver. If we wear ATGATT and a hi-viz vest that risk decreases by a third, down to just under 15 times more likely. Don't know if a hi-viz makes us more visible so we are involved in fewer accidents or if hi-viz riders are more cautious and situationally aware so they are involved in fewer accidents.

[pzkpfw]

One of my mates had a van that he had made into a camper van thing. He left the seat belts in place so that he could remove the bed etc and put the seats back if needed. The MOT said that if he had seat belts he had to have proper seats installed. No warrant!

Cheers

Interesting; my father took the back seats out of his 2 door Vitara, for carrying his fishing gear. Left the seat-belts in. Has been having no WOF issues - but I'll have to warn him that may not last forever.


(Many years ago he put seat-belts into one of his old land rovers. Didn't need them due to its age. Then one day got a ticket for not wearing the seat-belt that didn't have to be there.)

[Ocean1]

Interesting; my father took the back seats out of his 2 door Vitara, for carrying his fishing gear. Left the seat-belts in. Has been having no WOF issues - but I'll have to warn him that may not last forever.


(Many years ago he put seat-belts into one of his old land rovers. Didn't need them due to its age. Then one day got a ticket for not wearing the seat-belt that didn't have to be there.)

Right.

I'm off to teh gargre to remove my speedo.