Gareth Morgan & Politics

[pinhole]

I first noticed this globe trotting biker when he sensibly told government that we should pay ACC levies based on the rider not the bike!! A mate just posted this on his FB page and it rang true now as then.

"TIME TO PLACE A STAKE IN THE GROUND. In the last 30 years I've watched the Kiwi dream my father and so many other tupuna who fought for us, quietly get ripped apart by 'free market' politicians. Even when I served as a police officer I would never have believed what I'm seeing now in this great country of ours. Without even talking poverty 3 out of 4 people under 40 now rent. Politicians from all sides have quietly done deals while 'bullshitting' us - just like the frog in the pot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog)
My reason for this post? YOU - I'll probably be gone in the next 10 years, and will get by till then. However, I've got a small OPPORTUNITY to give you something to THINK about, and hopefully act on. There is an OPPORTUNITY to get people into government who aren't politicians thank God, and possess 'INBUILT BULLSHIT DETECTORS'
Despite what you see and hear, THE OPPORTUNITIES PARTY, have a real chance of not only getting into parliament, but also hold these mongrels accountable.
All I ask is that you turn the tv off, do some research, and make a decision. If this post has caused you to pause for a moment, I've done my job. Thanks for reading📷😉"
http://www.top.org.nz/

[R650R]

Could you please explain why we are still being raped and pillaged by ACC then despite him spending a significant amount of time involved with their 'safety' committee and why we bikers are paying an extra $30 a year to fund that feel good circle joyride.....

This guy only gets to waste oxygen on the airwaves due to his crazy sound bites he provides the media and the get rich quick fame from his sons trademe dealings (lucky setting up at the right time with that one).

Completely blown his credibility now with his attacks on Winston, realising TOP isn't going to break 5% let alone get an MP in he's resorting to attacking others policy and using to tactical voting to disrupt democracy.
But hey if you want a rat plague from feline genocide and Stalinist controls on rental property market that guarantees poor people rent will rise every year.... then vote top.......
Just because hes ridden a bike doesn't make him one of us.....

I don't call working in finance markets as having had a real world job either.

[SuperRetard]

Couldnt agree more. I dont even like Morgan very much, but I cant argue with the policies and thats what I voted for.

I really believe this is our last chance to get rid of the the "Trough Feeders" and have some sensible "Normal" people representing us, if not as speakers at least as policy setters. If you think the Pollies dont realise the danger to their wallets Morgan represents, look at the FUD being spread!

[AllanB]

He's not a fan of the pussy.

[awayatc]

It's a sad state of affairs that I have to try to vote for the least offensive person/party....

Can't see a single one I could choose on merit.

A bit like chosing which bone in my body would I like to see broken.

Bunch of spineless ,selfish and self serving bunch of twats without vision or prospects

[awayatc]

Bloody Morgan is bored shit less. ...

To much money does that,

So he finds himself something to do, kill a bit of time.

Winston has proven again and again that he us just full of hot air.

Bill English can barely keep the smirk of his face....prime bloody minister! Even he can't believe how he ended up in charge.

The greens mean well but couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

So of course people want to like Jacinda.....

We so desperately want to find somebody that is genuine , honest and respectable that we project that wish into the only person that hasn't been there long enough yet to discredit herself....
Brilliantly played

Can we just start our own party?
How hard can it be?

[Laava]

Do it, I might vote for you!

[Akzle]

vote akzle .

[BMWST?]

Bloody Morgan is bored shit less. ...

To much money does that,

So he finds himself something to do, kill a bit of time.

Winston has proven again and again that he us just full of hot air.

Bill English can barely keep the smirk of his face....prime bloody minister! Even he can't believe how he ended up in charge.

The greens mean well but couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

So of course people want to like Jacinda.....

We so desperately want to find somebody that is genuine , honest and respectable that we project that wish into the only person that hasn't been there long enough yet to discredit herself....
Brilliantly played

Can we just start our own party?
How hard can it be?
At least Morgan and his party have some well thought out policies which try to address the growing inequalities in our society.I am not sure it will come to any good until we revise our economic system to one which is good for each country rather than the global elite.I cant help but think that some serious shit will go down before that happens

[eldog]

I cant help but think that some serious shit will go down before that happens

there could be some serious outcomes if the current financial crumbles completely.

we wont be able to buy new bikes

[Akzle]

So you think the ownership taxes he will bring in are well thought out? His thinking is very communist in my opinion.

bro are you alright?
you didn't mention group rides or speed advisory signs.

[awayatc]

bro are you alright?
you didn't mention group rides or speed advisory signs.

fallen off hobby horse?

[awayatc]

At least Morgan and his party have some well thought out policies which try to address the growing inequalities in our society.I am not sure it will come to any good until we revise our economic system to one which is good for each country rather than the global elite.I cant help but think that some serious shit will go down before that happens

Morgan lost me when he started bagging Winston.....
very immature and unbecoming of any serious politician who has something positive to offer.

Bill English is yet another mudslinger.....

Cant see me voting labour BUT Jacinda only talking head at moment who doesnt stoop to this low level.....

she may be just about the only adult at play at moment.....(dont like what she is selling, but like the fact she is selling, rather then fingerpointing)


The whole planet has already sunk so deep in the shit , that a fuckin fart will smell like fresh air ....

I will vote for Anybody who has the guts to introduce drug and alcohol testing in beehive......
running a country while under influence surely should become unacceptable....

[Grumph]

I will vote for Anybody who has the guts to introduce drug and alcohol testing in beehive......
running a country while under influence surely should become unacceptable....

Won't happen till a speaker with a backbone is appointed - and independent of elected politicians too.

[James Deuce]

Won't happen till a speaker with a backbone is appointed - and independent of elected politicians too.
We could call it: Il Duce!

[ellipsis]

...I'm with awayatc...how can you seriously differentiate between any of the cunts...their lips open and keeping themselves in a job, bullshit, runs out...

[BMWST?]

So you think the ownership taxes he will bring in are well thought out? His thinking is very communist in my opinion.
well the idea has merit.How come i pay tax on my measley bank deposists but propert "investors" dont pay anything on non productive capital gains.Its a way of taxing the wealthy who can arrange ther affairs to not pay tax .The paye rate wil come down(in theory).Dont you agree that something has to happen to make the tax take more equitable.

[BMWST?]

there could be some serious outcomes if the current financial crumbles completely.

we wont be able to buy new bikes

i didnt think of that!

[OddDuck]

I'm with awayatc as well. Bad, worse and appalling is about the state of who I'm voting for. There isn't actually anyone good, it's just a question of who's least awful.

Policies: almost irrelevant, there's what they promise and then there's what we'll actually get, post-election. If nothing else, coalitions tend to dilute any strong policies.

There's nothing on offer that'd rock the boat, nothing that strongly challenges the current neoliberal, unequal society, beggars in the streets and fucked future for under 40's status quo.

As to why this is happening.... lots of reasons really but I reckon one which deserves some discussion is how we fund our political campaigning. We allow massive private donations, to my mind that is rich men buying policy and setting the acceptable limits of the playing field before an election even happens.

There is public money but of course it's limited, and to get that you have to have had people voting for you previously. They don't hand it out to first-timers. It basically means that the only general public independent candidates with a realistic chance are the Gareth Morgans of this world, self-made millionaires who can afford to fund themselves. But they're rich men too, now operating without the filter of going through a party or a representative politician.

End result of all this: billboards with very simple slogans posted everywhere. Winning votes by volume.

We're not really a democracy. We look like one, we like to tell ourselves we are one, but really I reckon little old NZ has sleepwalked into being a mild American-style plutocracy.

[Akzle]

Its a political thread thats why.

when has being completely irrelevant to the topic ever stopped you before??

[Akzle]

srsly, you old white cunts must whine about the same shit every time voting happens. but you keep doing it.
somethingsomething same shit somethingsomething same results.

never mind drug testing pollies. (it's the doleys you have to worry about, eh puddle :laugh: )
under ax, they "pollies" will number 12. and be KB members (excluding the afoffaf) and whoever else is at the bar with ideas on the day, and there will be a minimum half-doz requirement before any policy is even considered.

[Ocean1]

At least Morgan and his party have some well thought out policies which try to address the growing inequalities in our society.I am not sure it will come to any good until we revise our economic system to one which is good for each country rather than the global elite.I cant help but think that some serious shit will go down before that happens

What growing inequality?

NZ's gini coefficient has hardly budged for years.

[jasonu]

I first noticed this globe trotting biker when he sensibly told government that we should pay ACC levies based on the rider not the bike!! A mate just posted this on his FB page and it rang true now as then.

"TIME TO PLACE A STAKE IN THE GROUND. In the last 30 years I've watched the Kiwi dream my father and so many other tupuna who fought for us, quietly get ripped apart by 'free market' politicians. Even when I served as a police officer I would never have believed what I'm seeing now in this great country of ours. Without even talking poverty 3 out of 4 people under 40 now rent. Politicians from all sides have quietly done deals while 'bullshitting' us - just like the frog in the pot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog)
My reason for this post? YOU - I'll probably be gone in the next 10 years, and will get by till then. However, I've got a small OPPORTUNITY to give you something to THINK about, and hopefully act on. There is an OPPORTUNITY to get people into government who aren't politicians thank God, and possess 'INBUILT BULLSHIT DETECTORS'
Despite what you see and hear, THE OPPORTUNITIES PARTY, have a real chance of not only getting into parliament, but also hold these mongrels accountable.
All I ask is that you turn the tv off, do some research, and make a decision. If this post has caused you to pause for a moment, I've done my job. Thanks for reading📷😉"
http://www.top.org.nz/

What is a tupuna?

[Ocean1]

well the idea has merit.How come i pay tax on my measley bank deposists but propert "investors" dont pay anything on non productive capital gains.Its a way of taxing the wealthy who can arrange ther affairs to not pay tax .The paye rate wil come down(in theory).Dont you agree that something has to happen to make the tax take more equitable.

You do not pay tax on your deposits, you pay tax on the interest they make, the income.

And having been taxed on money I earn and on money I spend I'll be fucked if I pay tax on it a third time.

[awayatc]

What growing inequality?

NZ's gini coefficient has hardly budged for years.

Morgan is part if the upper part of that gap...trying to appeal to the lower part.

I suppose he is doing that because that lower part is far far bigger....

Plus he himself sits very comfortably safe till the end of his days.

[Ocean1]

Morgan is part if the upper part of that gap...trying to appeal to the lower part.

I suppose he is doing that because that lower part is far far bigger....

Plus he himself sits very comfortably safe till the end of his days.

Oh I admire his dedication to his cause, every other politician bar none is proposing that someone else pays for their policies.

It's just that I think that particular policy is deeply flawed ethically. There's no end of rhetoric about exactly how they're going to spend taxpayer's money, but there's fuck all discussion about what's ethically consistent in how you get that money, from which demographic and at what cost.

Nobody minds paying tax for things that benefit everyone, that make it possible to live as we do. But selling the redistributing of income as "leveling out inequity" is just that, a sales pitch. It's not only based on the claim that incomes are getting less "equal", when that's not actually correct but it completely ignores the fact that none of us produce shit of exactly the same value. It's a cynical excuse to hit on the only possible source of money to pay for it: rich pricks.

The flip side of all of the hand wringing sympathy for the "poor", (and don't get me started on how the UN defines that) is the simple fact that for every dollar you give someone who hasn't earned it that's a dollar someone's earned and hasn't received. You can push that agenda just so far before the combined rewarding the unproductive and punishing the productive completely fucks productivity altogether.

And the problem we have is there's no control feedback to stop new policy doing exactly that, those voting themselves more money vastly outnumber those actually earning it.

[Swoop]

Its a way of taxing the wealthy who can arrange ther affairs to not pay tax
Anyone who thinks the "rich" will get taxed by a CGT is deluded. If anything it will result in a smaller tax take as the "rich" will simply instruct their accountants that they will not be affected in any way.
I have seen this happen with a few mates. "Fuck paying taxes" is what they said to their accountant and the response was "No problem at all. Next question."

What is a tupuna?
Elders. Grandparents, great-grandparents, etc.

Morgan is part if the upper part of that gap...trying to appeal to the lower part.
I'd be very interested to find out how much he paid in bribes, to the North Korean government, for his little motorcycle trip there...

[Ocean1]

Anyone who thinks the "rich" will get taxed by a CGT is deluded. If anything it will result in a smaller tax take as the "rich" will simply instruct their accountants that they will not be affected in any way.
I have seen this happen with a few mates. "Fuck paying taxes" is what they said to their accountant and the response was "No problem at all. Next question."

There'a actually fuck all loopholes left you can use to minimise tax and still retain any net return. But there is nonetheless a problem with taxing the same money a third and fourth time via investment income and asset taxes: Income and investment simply stops happening.

Faced with the prospect of, say pressing on with the hassles of managing a residential rental returning a stunning 2.5% because paying your own way is the responsible thing to do, some might decide to flog it off and blow the fucking lot on holidays, fast cars, hookers and bikes. And then, BONUS points! instead of stumping up with the extra tax on all those already taxed earnings they could stick their hand out for some of that tax money they're now eligible for. :niceone:

And instead of keeping up some part time work at retirement age and subsequently losing your pension as a result, there's a distinct possibility some might decide that they're altogether too frail to bother working when someone else will do it for them.

Some might also decide to add the family home and any remaining assets to the holiday budget bonfire and then rent, rather than risk having to sell it all anyway to pay for their dotage.

Decisions, decisions...

[Honest Andy]

Hey Oceans, CGT is only taxing the increase in value, not the purchase cost. The capital gain itself is NEW income and CGT plans to tax it as it's earned, like PAYE.

(P.S. but I agree that GST is a terrible tax and should be stopped)

(and don't start me on rates... tax on tax on tax on tax...)

[Jeff Sichoe]

he has a dumb voice so lost my vote

[Night Falcon]

I want honesty, integrity, innovation, a health system that enables people to get the care they need to be healthy and education system that is relevant and affordable, a judiciary that doesn't foster crime as a valid career choice.......who should I vote for....or am I asking too much :corn:

[Ocean1]

Hey Oceans, CGT is only taxing the increase in value, not the purchase cost. The capital gain itself is NEW income and CGT plans to tax it as it's earned, like PAYE.

(P.S. but I agree that GST is a terrible tax and should be stopped)

(and don't start me on rates... tax on tax on tax on tax...)

I bought my house 12 years ago for $125k.

Now it's worth $425k.

When I bought it I got it for maybe $25k under market value. Do I pay tax because I got a good deal?

Do I pay tax on the maybe $200k value attributable to inflation?

Do I pay tax on the $45k worth of improvements I've made?

Do I pay tax on the marketing costs at both ends of the ownership?

Who decides all that shit? 'Cause I'm telling you if it's Juicinda's outfit the answer will be yes, yes, yes and yes.

None of which I'm prepared to pay, I'm not about to expose myself to the risk they'll double tax me yet again.

[Ocean1]

I want honesty, integrity, innovation, a health system that enables people to get the care they need to be healthy and education system that is relevant and affordable, a judiciary that doesn't foster crime as a valid career choice.......who should I vote for....or am I asking too much :corn:

What's your idea of "need", "healthy", "relevant" and "affordable"?

'Cause if it's more than we're currently spending it may be more than we can afford.

Everyone is an expert at spending someone else's money mate, why wouldn't you be happy with the increases in spending, (in real terms) we've had over the last few years?

[sidecar bob]

I want honesty, integrity, innovation, a health system that enables people to get the care they need to be healthy and education system that is relevant and affordable, a judiciary that doesn't foster crime as a valid career choice.......who should I vote for....or am I asking too much :corn:

Well you could start by not voting for a govt that proposes to tax your savings under the heading of "wealth tax"
Apparently having savings makes one "wealthy" & should be actively discouraged.

[sidecar bob]

There'a actually fuck all loopholes left you can use to minimise tax and still retain any net return. But there is nonetheless a problem with taxing the same money a third and fourth time via investment income and asset taxes: Income and investment simply stops happening.

Faced with the prospect of, say pressing on with the hassles of managing a residential rental returning a stunning 2.5% because paying your own way is the responsible thing to do, some might decide to flog it off and blow the fucking lot on holidays, fast cars, hookers and bikes. And then, BONUS points! instead of stumping up with the extra tax on all those already taxed earnings they could stick their hand out for some of that tax money they're now eligible for. :niceone:

And instead of keeping up some part time work at retirement age and subsequently losing your pension as a result, there's a distinct possibility some might decide that they're altogether too frail to bother working when someone else will do it for them.

Some might also decide to add the family home and any remaining assets to the holiday budget bonfire and then rent, rather than risk having to sell it all anyway to pay for their dotage.

Decisions, decisions...
Stop tempting me. The next ten years could be a real hoot.

[pritch]

fallen off hobby horse?

Bugger. I've already given you bling for another post.

[pritch]

There isn't actually anyone good, it's just a question of who's least awful.


That's about it. You start out with a list then one by one you cross them off until there's just one left.

[Honest Andy]

I bought my house 12 years ago for $125k.

Now it's worth $425k.

When I bought it I got it for maybe $25k under market value. Do I pay tax because I got a good deal?

Do I pay tax on the maybe $200k value attributable to inflation?

Do I pay tax on the $45k worth of improvements I've made?

Do I pay tax on the marketing costs at both ends of the ownership?

Who decides all that shit? 'Cause I'm telling you if it's Juicinda's outfit the answer will be yes, yes, yes and yes.

None of which I'm prepared to pay, I'm not about to expose myself to the risk they'll double tax me yet again.

Goodness me you are having a bad day...
No you don't pay tax on any of that because the proposed CGT hasn't been enacted yet, and I don't think anyone is proposing back-dating it.
And if this is the house you live in then Labour at least have ruled out taxing it anyway.

The longer answer is...
If your example is a renta and CGT had been enacted 12 years ago:
You made $300,000 profit from appreciation, which as income would be taxed. It only gets taxed once, just like any other earning.
You got a good deal? Good for you, that increases your profit. Yes the extra profit gets taxed, just like any other earning.
You spent an $45,000 on improvements? Great, that's tax deductible. Just like any other business expense.
Did those improvements increase the value? Fine, then you get taxed on that increase MINUS the $45,000
You spend money on marketing? Fair enough, that's also tax deductible. Just like any other business expense.

Really none of it is any different from the tax obligations of any other business (mine at least)

Now for godsake sell the flaming house and buy a bike!
And post the fotos so we can all tell you what we think of the new ride :niceone:

Right I'm going away now, I've had a busy day doing the fucking governments job... working out FUCKING GST!!! :angry2:

Call back when you get that bike :woohoo:

[Akzle]

I want honesty, integrity, innovation, a health system that enables people to get the care they need to be healthy and education system that is relevant and affordable, a judiciary that doesn't foster crime as a valid career choice.......who should I vote for....or am I asking too much :corn:

ehh. vote ax muthafukkah

[Akzle]

I bought my house 12 years ago for $125k.

Now it's worth $425k.

When I bought it I got it for maybe $25k under market value. Do I pay tax because I got a good deal?

Do I pay tax on the maybe $200k value attributable to inflation?

Do I pay tax on the $45k worth of improvements I've made?

Do I pay tax on the marketing costs at both ends of the ownership?

Who decides all that shit? 'Cause I'm telling you if it's Juicinda's outfit the answer will be yes, yes, yes and yes.

None of which I'm prepared to pay, I'm not about to expose myself to the risk they'll double tax me yet again.
bro. you tots voted for that shit. so fuckup.

[Akzle]

That's about it. You start out with a list then one by one you cross them off until there's just one left.

... akzle <_<

[Ocean1]

Goodness me you are having a bad day...
No you don't pay tax on any of that because the proposed CGT hasn't been enacted yet, and I don't think anyone is proposing back-dating it.
And if this is the house you live in then Labour at least have ruled out taxing it anyway.

The longer answer is...
If your example is a renta and CGT had been enacted 12 years ago:
You made $300,000 profit from appreciation, which as income would be taxed. It only gets taxed once, just like any other earning.
You got a good deal? Good for you, that increases your profit. Yes the extra profit gets taxed, just like any other earning.
You spent an $45,000 on improvements? Great, that's tax deductible. Just like any other business expense.
Did those improvements increase the value? Fine, then you get taxed on that increase MINUS the $45,000
You spend money on marketing? Fair enough, that's also tax deductible. Just like any other business expense.

Really none of it is any different from the tax obligations of any other business (mine at least)

Now for godsake sell the flaming house and buy a bike!
And post the fotos so we can all tell you what we think of the new ride :niceone:

Right I'm going away now, I've had a busy day doing the fucking governments job... working out FUCKING GST!!! :angry2:

Call back when you get that bike :woohoo:

So that's a no, no yes and yes?

Fuckit, why should I pay for inflation?

[Akzle]

Fuckit, why should I pay for inflation?

errr cos you voted for it?

[awayatc]

So that's a no, no yes and yes?

Fuckit, why should I pay for inflation?

I agree....it's still free at my local servo....

Always inflate my tyres before a ride.

[awayatc]

Talking about idiot box...

Turn it on just now.... and Gareth fuckin Morgan is on!

No way could I vote for him!

May vote Green,( funny for somebody working in the dirty offshore oil industry)

[Honest Andy]

Fuckit, why should I pay for inflation?

Fair point, my oath. But I reckon inflation adjustment will be part of the equation (indexed to average inflation obviously).
I'm a bit hazy on that bit, I'm really only a dumb tradesman so I'll leave that bit for the robbing accountant...

So fuck all that, it's just boring numbers and shit

What bike are you gonna get????

What colour is it?

What's it sound like?

Are you going to carpet the garage?

[Ocean1]

Fair point, my oath. But I reckon inflation adjustment will be part of the equation (indexed to average inflation obviously).
I'm a bit hazy on that bit, I'm really only a dumb tradesman so I'll leave that bit for the robbing accountant...

So fuck all that, it's just boring numbers and shit

What bike are you gonna get????

What colour is it?

What's it sound like?

Are you going to carpet the garage?

OK. here's my take on inflation: it's caused by the increase in prices. Which makes it close enough to the increase in house prices that any attempt at a CGT that doesn't include inflation is unlikely to recover enough to pay for admin costs.

Especially as unreasonable pricks who can already make more by putting their money in the bank will suddenly decide they can do without the hassle of owning a rental.

[Night Falcon]

What's your idea of "need", "healthy", "relevant" and "affordable"?

'Cause if it's more than we're currently spending it may be more than we can afford.

Everyone is an expert at spending someone else's money mate, why wouldn't you be happy with the increases in spending, (in real terms) we've had over the last few years?

no innuendo here....just the regular definitions

Need: something that is necessary for an organism to live a healthy life. Needs are distinguished from wants in that, in the case of a need, a deficiency causes a clear adverse outcome: a dysfunction or death.

Healthy: In a good physical or mental condition; in good health.
‘I feel fit and healthy’

Relevant: Closely connected or appropriate to what is being done or considered. Appropriate to the current time, period, or circumstances; of contemporary interest.

Affordable: inexpensive, reasonably priced

[Ocean1]

no innuendo here....just the regular definitions

Need: something that is necessary for an organism to live a healthy life. Needs are distinguished from wants in that, in the case of a need, a deficiency causes a clear adverse outcome: a dysfunction or death.

Healthy: In a good physical or mental condition; in good health.
‘I feel fit and healthy’

Relevant: Closely connected or appropriate to what is being done or considered. Appropriate to the current time, period, or circumstances; of contemporary interest.

Affordable: inexpensive, reasonably priced

You have to choose. When the price of modern medicine can easily run to hundreds of thousands per treatment you can't have healthy and affordable.

So have some pity on the poor bastards, when any attempt to rule out the more hideously priced health procedures is met with howls of outrage and any official attempt to point out that the funding of, say Herceptin necessarily means that many more effective treatments can't be funded is basically political suicide then they simply can't win.

[Voltaire]

Remember before you sell up and spend it all on overseas trips you need to have been here for 10 years since you turned 20 and 5 of those since turning 50 to

qualify for Super.....just saying, not that you rich fullas even need it.:lol:

[sidecar bob]

Remember before you sell up and spend it all on overseas trips you need to have been here for 10 years since you turned 20 and 5 of those since turning 50 to

qualify for Super.....just saying, not that you rich fullas even need it.:lol:

Well I wasn't anywhere else, I was here busting my arse & paying tax, so no problem there. What about you?

[Voltaire]

Well I wasn't anywhere else, I was here busting my arse & paying tax, so no problem there. What about you?

Anywhere else is more fun when your in your 20's :laugh:, you did however get to race Pre 89 when they were new though :msn-wink:

[Grumph]

Anywhere else is more fun when your in your 20's :laugh:, you did however get to race Pre 89 when they were new though :msn-wink:

Fuck, I raced pre 63 while it was still state of the art - then pre 72 when it was new....Then the family ensured I didn't race the pre 82's....

What did Gareth Morgan race ?

[Paul in NZ]

I doubt Gareth Morgan will get elected to anything but may get in on a party vote.

Hes too preachy and seems incapable of accepting another point of view. Too much the purist and too little the politician

[Ocean1]

I doubt Gareth Morgan will get elected to anything but may get in on a party vote.

Hes too preachy and seems incapable of accepting another point of view. Too much the purist and too little the politician

And wrong. Don't forget wrong.

[caspernz]

I doubt Gareth Morgan will get elected to anything but may get in on a party vote.

Hes too preachy and seems incapable of accepting another point of view. Too much the purist and too little the politician

His stance on cats would likely alienate him from half the population as it is. Then there's some who would never trust a man who wants to get rid of pussy...cats :wacko:

Politics is a boring topic to me, but good for amusement value if the buggers wouldn't keep "stealing" my money via taxes :sweatdrop:eek5::angry: