Las Vegas "Terrorist Attack"

[EJK]

Nowhere on any articles the "shooter" is labelled as terrorist, just an old white gunman out on crazed shooting spree.

Tell me, does it have to be religious (specifically Islamic) driven to be considered as "terrorism"?

Media (esp Fairfax) pisses me off greatly evermore.

[Whynot]

ISIS have claimed this, apparently he converted a few months ago ...

[TheDemonLord]

Nowhere on any articles the "shooter" is labelled as terrorist, just an old white gunman out on crazed shooting spree.

Tell me, does it have to be religious (specifically Islamic) driven to be considered as "terrorism"?

Media (esp Fairfax) pisses me off greatly evermore.

The definition of Terrorism is to effect a Political change.

Killing for the sake of Mayhem and destruction isn't Terrorism.

Although ISIS have claimed this - they've claimed things before - waiting for more details.

[jasonu]

What a cunt!!!
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/cbs-fires-legal-exec-las-vegas-1202578075/

[mojo1444]

64 retired accountant with load of money on him and with some gambling problems. So doubt he is an ISIS recruit doesn't fit the profile.
Most ISIS recruits are young half broke and wants revenge of a pass incident or attack that might mentally disturb him for unknown reason.

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[Banditbandit]

Nowhere on any articles the "shooter" is labelled as terrorist, just an old white gunman out on crazed shooting spree.

Tell me, does it have to be religious (specifically Islamic) driven to be considered as "terrorism"?

Media (esp Fairfax) pisses me off greatly evermore.


The definition of Terrorism is to effect a Political change.



Yes - terrorism is politically motivated - no politics no terrorism.

[oldrider]

64 retired accountant with load of money on him and with some gambling problems. So doubt he is an ISIS recruit doesn't fit the profile.
Most ISIS recruits are young half broke and wants revenge of a pass incident or attack that might mentally disturb him for unknown reason.

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Typical of errant accountants - was probably loaded with "other peoples money" - maybe even ISIS money - that could be the connection! :eek:

[AllanB]

Just another American nutter out for ten minutes of glory. Notice how they always kill themself after killing/maiming others.

[neels]

Seemingly not a 'terrorist' as there was no apparent agenda, just a nutjob with lots of guns, in a country where it's far too easy to get lots of guns.

I wonder if the greater population of 'merica will one day make the connection and demand change.......

[mada]

not sure whats worse... looney person going off nut, or terrorists.

Terrorism is about instilling fear to force another party to change something.

The old saying "one mans terrorist = another mans freedom fighter", Nelson Mandela, Irgun, Mujaheedin, American revolutionaries etc depends on which side of history you are on.

Don't expect much from Trump in regards to how piss easy it is to get assault rifles. In the past his comments around public shootings have been that
if victims or bystanders had of been armed they could have taken out the shooter earlier. :rolleyes:

[Gremlin]

Incited terror = terrorism

[EJK]

Incited terror = terrorism

That's what I too think.

I've just never seen a white guy labelled as "terrorist" on the papers. But if it's a Muslim or any brown skinned guy with a gun = automatic terrorist.

[Ocean1]

Terrorism is about instilling fear to force another party to change something.

The old saying "one mans terrorist = another mans freedom fighter", Nelson Mandela, Irgun, Mujaheedin, American revolutionaries etc depends on which side of history you are on.

It depends on which side of the law you're on.

Terrorism is historically defined as acts of war by organised groups outside of the rules governing national armed forces legally at war.

In theory that includes national forces acting outside those rules.

It doesn't include solo nutters, no matter how profoundly upset by country music they might be.

[jellywrestler]

a new 'high score' for others to aspire too.

[roogazza]

a new 'high score' for others to aspire too.

yep,probably. Not surprising really, the Human animal !

[pritch]

Incited terror = terrorism

Nah, according to my dictionary it has to be in pursuit of a political aim. That would have been my guess, but I thought I'd better check.

The claim by Daesh, you can call them ISIS but they like that, is not credible - yet. Which is a problem with a lot of the early reporting. A 64 year old white millionaire who owned various properties and two airplanes doesn't seem like yer average radical muslim convert.

Google came in for a lot of criticism, early on they linked to 4chan items which were basic conspiracy theory rubbish. The denizens of 4chan even named a wrong suspect, before settling down to try and paint the shooter as antifa or BLM or anything else that entered their disordered minds. Although the fact that the victims were country music fans many of whom would be right thinking people could lead to the assumption that the shooter was a left wing extremist. Assuming there was any logic involved at all?

Facebook too copped flak for some of their content.

The weapons he used were interesting, I hadn't even heard of bump frames or bump stocks previously but there's a heap of stuff about them on YouTube.

Normally the shooting he was doing would be inaccurate as Hell but if you've got 20,000 people on a big dance floor accuracy is not a requirement.

I hope his partner can shed some light on his motives.

About the only thing you can take out of this is that when a major event happens the initial news reports will be wrong. The advances in technology in recent years only exacerbate that, they certainly don't improve things.

[pritch]

Afterthought: This latest mass shooting has often been referred to as "the biggest ever" or similar. That is not true, there have been bigger but the victims of those in most instances were black, so perhaps they don't count? Most respectable US news media now use the phrase "biggest in modern times".

[James Deuce]

Afterthought: This latest mass shooting has often been referred to as "the biggest ever" or similar. That is not true, there have been bigger but the victims of those in most instances were black, so perhaps they don't count? Most respectable US news media now use the phrase "biggest in modern times".
*must spread rep around etc.*

[Doppleganger]

Where is katman with some conspiracy theories, we are on the second page already

[TheDemonLord]

Where is katman with some conspiracy theories, we are on the second page already

It was a White guy that did it, and they aren't calling it Terrorism...

[TheDemonLord]

The weapons he used were interesting, I hadn't even heard of bump frames or bump stocks previously but there's a heap of stuff about them on YouTube.

Normally the shooting he was doing would be inaccurate as Hell but if you've got 20,000 people on a big dance floor accuracy is not a requirement.

Something to add - Bump stocks aren't required for rapid-fire semi-auto techniques - what they do, is make it much easier to perform said technique - there's a couple of Jerry Miculek videos where he demonstrates "full auto" type firing, using the bump-firing technique, but without a bump/slide stock.

The principle of how it works is almost identical to how Buddy Rich's one handed roll in drumming works.

[James Deuce]

The principle of how it works is almost identical to how Buddy Rich's one handed roll in drumming works.
That's a nightmarish thought. He was a grumpy bastard at the best of times. He'd make every bump stock proponent look like a flaccid single-fire rubber-band gun.

[James Deuce]

It was a White guy that did it, and they aren't calling it Terrorism...
He looked orange to me. First the presidency, now to eliminate the white people with red necks. There's more to this Trump thing than we imagined.

[TheDemonLord]

That's a nightmarish thought. He was a grumpy bastard at the best of times. He'd make every bump stock proponent look like a flaccid single-fire rubber-band gun.

But Goddamn could he play...

[Akzle]

Just another American nutter out for ten minutes of glory. Notice how they always kill themself after killing/maiming others.

how convinient <_<


(another false flag attack to rally support for the anti-gun mouth foamers)

[Akzle]

Seemingly not a 'terrorist' as there was no apparent agenda, just a nutjob with lots of guns, in a country where it's far too easy to get lots of guns.

I wonder if the greater population of 'merica will one day make the connection and demand change.......

except that's not actually the problem. (but exactly the idea being encouraged) both canada and nz, off the top of my head, have a higher per-capita (legal) firearms ownership rate than the us.

yet somehow more murkns are shot on murkn soil than the middle east..

[onearmedbandit]

That's what I too think.

I've just never seen a white guy labelled as "terrorist" on the papers. But if it's a Muslim or any brown skinned guy with a gun = automatic terrorist.

Timothy McVeigh?
Ted Kaczynski?

Just two I can think of immediately, bound to be more.

[EJK]

Timothy McVeigh?
Ted Kaczynski?

Just two I can think of immediately, bound to be more.

Yeah bound to be more.

It's just I haven't heard much. Even Dylann Roof is labelled as "White supremacist" more on the papers than as "domestic terrorist".

I'm wondering ever since 9/11 the term "terrorist" has bit of racial stereotype built in.

[onearmedbandit]

Even Dylann Roof is labelled as "White supremacist" more on the papers than as "domestic terrorist".

.

To be fair that was a racially motivated attack.

[James Deuce]

Timothy McVeigh?
Ted Kaczynski?

Just two I can think of immediately, bound to be more.
Not sure either were labelled that by US press, at the time. Unabomber rather than terrorist. Labelled a domestic terrorist in historical articles, so it is a conditional terrorist label because it doesn't fit the definitive narrative. Domestic terrorist for McVeigh as well in historical articles, but disgruntled ex-military Branch-Davidian supporter at the time. By the time of the trial in '97 that had changed to terrorist.

[neels]

except that's not actually the problem. (but exactly the idea being encouraged) both canada and nz, off the top of my head, have a higher per-capita (legal) firearms ownership rate than the us.

yet somehow more murkns are shot on murkn soil than the middle east..
Not sure how you define (legal), however (legal) or otherwise the total number of guns is going to be a significant factor in the number of gun deaths, that's without considering ease of purchase and ability to carry.....

332802

The obvious supposition is that they like guns and they like shooting each other with them, if they weren't so easily available it would probably make it more difficult to shoot each other. The downside of more restrictive gun laws is that it affects law abiding people, and the nutjobs will probably still find a way around them anyway...

[pritch]

Dylan Roof stated that he wanted to start a race war which seems political to me. So it'd be appropriate to call him a terrorist except that he seems to lack the required level of melanin for that to happen.

[Akzle]

Not sure how you define (legal), however (legal) or otherwise the total number of guns is going to be a significant factor in the number of gun deaths, that's without considering ease of purchase and ability to carry.....
and i'm not sure how they define "guns per 100 inhabitants". at any rate my stats would be older than those, and were likely leaning toward sporting rifles.
i note with some curiosity that the majority are suicides (and new zealand's rate seems low)


The obvious supposition is that they like guns and they like shooting each other with them, if they weren't so easily available it would probably make it more difficult to shoot each other. The downside of more restrictive gun laws is that it affects law abiding people, and the nutjobs will probably still find a way around them anyway...

and therein, as the bard will tell you, lies the rub. the legislature only affects the good citizen. criminals remain unaffected. and as said, this guy was white, with (as yet) no indicators of a predilection to mass homicide.
personally, me and my homies and our stockpiles of illegal firearms have never shot anyone we didn't intend to, so it isn't even a matter of availability. but intent

and you can't ban shit "just in case".

and the bigger killers (obesity, heart and lung disease, cars, etc, remain at large)

[Akzle]

Dylan Roof stated that he wanted to start a race war which seems political to me. So it'd be appropriate to call him a terrorist except that he seems to lack the required level of melanin for that to happen.

helter skelter!

[Murray]

It either never happened, it was CIA or caused by the Jews. I will wait and see which one!

[Akzle]

It either never happened, it was CIA or caused by the Jews. I will wait and see which one!

you may be smarter than i've given you credit for <_<

[awayatc]

yet somehow more murkns are shot on murkn soil than the middle east..

Before their excursions into sandland, in "nam"....up to 100.000 A merican troops sprayed and prayed at random . Killing more A mericans by gunfire at home then in S E Asia over that period......

But gun control does not need to be addressed....
Mind you looking at Trump , birth control is more desperately needed....

[EJK]

Where are the "Las Vegas" filter for Facebook profile photos?

[caspernz]

Be kinda unlikely we're gonna get the true story on this latest mass shooting from the media, at least in the short term :rolleyes:

What surprised me was the report (if it's true to start with) that he'd wheeled 23 suitcases into his room over a period of days.

Does gun control eliminate these types of events? Not altogether, but it should make it harder for one civilian to accumulate a stash like this chap had, surely?

I wouldn't use the label terrorist, this chap had gone postal in a well thought out manner.

[Akzle]

https://sondasmcschatter.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/gun-control1.jpg

gun control: putting all six in the ten ring

[Voltaire]

It either never happened, it was CIA or caused by the Jews. I will wait and see which one!


Surprised ' they' did not get to the scene and plant a North Korean body there, that would have set the wheels in motion.

[Grumph]

Surprised ' they' did not get to the scene and plant a North Korean body there, that would have set the wheels in motion.

Someone will find a piece of soundtrack which sounds like two guns firing at the same time.....then katman will be away and running......

You'd have thought though that bringing that many suitcases into his suite should have triggered at least some curiosity in the security staff.

[jlgames]

As details emerge about the Las Vegas gunman who killed at least 58 people and injured more than 500 others, an online debate has begun about why Stephen Paddock has not been labelled a terrorist.

Instead the 64-year-old who opened fire from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel towards an open-air music festival on Sunday evening has been described by news outlets as a "lone wolf", a "granddad", a "gambler", and a "former accountant", but not a terrorist.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41483943

[Ocean1]

Someone will find a piece of soundtrack which sounds like two guns firing at the same time.....then katman will be away and running......

You'd have thought though that bringing that many suitcases into his suite should have triggered at least some curiosity in the security staff.

Hush, we don't need the number of hours lost to retarded security procedures at airports rolled out at hotels.

Reckon you could fly a couple of 747's a day into random office blocks and not lose the quantity of life lost to "security" at airports around the world.

[Akzle]

......

You'd have thought though that bringing that many suitcases into his suite should have triggered at least some curiosity in the security staff.

... why? if you pay shitloads™ for an hotel room, you kinda expect some kind of privacy from the staff. and if you want to take your collection of chainsawed up hookers with you, whose business is it, really?

[Paul in NZ]

a new 'high score' for others to aspire too.

And now the media are going into great detail around his 'meticulous' preparation and planning. I'm surprised they are not yet proving handy tips on how to avoid his mistakes as well as inside exposes on how the local SWAT teams deal with incidents (seems a pretty trivial word given the scale) like this...

It seems the bar is set higher but with better planning the next nutter should be able to pull off something epic...

Sigh - peoples.... bad news are peoples, should try and avoid em...

[awayatc]

You'd have thought though that bringing that many suitcases into his suite should have triggered at least some curiosity in the security staff.

You haven't got daughters then.....?

[Grumph]

... why? if you pay shitloads™ for an hotel room, you kinda expect some kind of privacy from the staff. and if you want to take your collection of chainsawed up hookers with you, whose business is it, really?

I'll concede that if any city should expect chainsawed hookers in hotel rooms it's Vegas....But it's my understanding that the level of security oversight in the Vegas hotels is higher than pretty well anywhere else. They're very protective of the "family fun" aspect and want to know about the hookers before anyone else...




You haven't got daughters then.....?

Yeah, I do - but they're not the Kardashians. From reports it seems that he brought the cases in over several days, not all on arrival.

[Katman]

Someone will find a piece of soundtrack which sounds like two guns firing at the same time.....then katman will be away and running......

And if questions arise that appear to contradict the official story, will you give them any consideration?

Or will you automatically dismiss them simply because they don't align with the 'Official Story' that you've been told?

[Mike.Gayner]

Oh fuck here we go.

[Ocean1]

And if questions arise that appear to contradict the official story, will you give them any consideration?

Or will you automatically dismiss them if they don't align with the 'Official Story' that you're been told?

Probably depends on whether the questions are from a conspiracy fuckwit.

[oldrider]

Cui Bono - who benefits? - interesting no less? :corn:

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[Moi]

The man's a coward. Nothing else but a coward. Does his thing from a hidden vantage point and then takes his life, can't face the consequences of his actions - perhaps he may have been shot by leos...

Meanwhile, thousands are affected by his actions. Including some of the most vulnerable in a community - explain to a special needs class why their teacher has "disappeared"...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11929028

[pritch]

You'd have thought though that bringing that many suitcases into his suite should have triggered at least some curiosity in the security staff.

This aspect was discussed on a US firearms users group I follow. The Mandalay Bay is a seriously big, seriously busy hotel. There's people moving suitcases, golf bags, and guitar cases etc all over the place. He had three days to move everything up too. If he had a dnd sign on the door, housekeeping wouldn't have entered the room so nobody would have noticed anything unusual.

[Katman]

Probably depends on whether the questions are from a conspiracy fuckwit.

The reality is that you wouldn't have a fucking clue what experiments might possibly be being carried out under the umbrella of the likes of MKUltra.

[TheDemonLord]

And if questions arise that appear to contradict the official story, will you give them any consideration?

Or will you automatically dismiss them simply because they don't align with the 'Official Story' that you've been told?

From where do those Questions arise?

Do they come from following the evidence and finding major inconsistencies?
Or do they come from purely pathological and ideological predispositions?

[TheDemonLord]

The reality is that you wouldn't have a fucking clue what experiments might possibly be being carried out under the umbrella of the likes of MKUltra.

Actually - I've got a book about MKUltra, read it something like 12 Years ago - absolutely Fascinating.

[Katman]

From where do those Questions arise?

Which questions would those be?

[Maha]

Which questions would those be?

The ones that you'll eventually conjure up to bolster your ever decreasing argument on all matters? :nya:

[Katman]

Actually - I've got a book about MKUltra, read it something like 12 Years ago - absolutely Fascinating.

And I'm absolutely certain that there's still plenty about it that you wouldn't have a fucking clue about.

[Ocean1]

The reality is that you wouldn't have a fucking clue what experiments might possibly be being carried out under the umbrella of the likes of MKUltra.

Case in point, dude, when it comes to reality yours is one of the least qualified opinions available.

[TheDemonLord]

And I'm absolutely certain that there's still plenty about it that you wouldn't have a fucking clue about.

And what makes you think that the plenty I haven't got a clue about are things to which you are also just as fucking clueless?

I'll agree - there are plenty of things that I am in the dark about (both due to how long ago I read said book and the nature of time expiration on Classified material) - but what makes you think you well informed?







Or is this like the time when you swallowed a piece of 'evidence' on your favourite bit of Jew-hating Genocide Denial that was summed up as "Someone showed {the blogger whose drivel you linked} the evidence that it's all fake, but I can't post it up here"

[Katman]

And what makes you think that the plenty I haven't got a clue about are things to which you are also just as fucking clueless?

I'm not suggesting I know anything much about the extent that the MKUltra project has explored or has expanded to.

But then again, I'm not the one who likes to come out with such gems as "I don't know of any such detonator, so they clearly don't exist".

[pritch]

From where do those Questions arise?



4chan. There are villages all over the world have lost their idiots, but they can all be found on 4chan.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm not suggesting I know anything much about the extent that the MKUltra project has explored or has expanded to.

Yet you are clearly implying that you have more knowledge than us Mere Mortals...


But then again, I'm not the one who likes to come out with such gems as "I don't know of any such detonator, so they clearly don't exist".

I see you have remembered your misinterpretation of my point, as opposed to my actual point.

However - since I remember what it was - it was pointing out that one of your bits of evidence that it was a conspiracy, required it to be a conspiracy in the first place - given that what was required for it to be true was far in excess of what is publicly available (plus a few physics limitations that you glibly skipped over.

One such detonator or explosive could exist, but in order to use it's supposed capabilities as proof of said conspiracy you have to prove that it does exist.

Which you failed miserably to do.

[Katman]

Yet you are clearly implying that you have more knowledge than us Mere Mortals...

There's your insecurity showing again.

It's more a case of me having a more open and enquiring mind than the usual sheep.

[TheDemonLord]

There's your insecurity showing again.

It's more a case of me having a more open mind than the usual sheep.


Yet you are clearly implying that you have more knowledge than us Mere Mortals...

Chur for proving my Point.

[Katman]

Chur for proving my Point.

You don't have a point shitforbrains.

[Kickaha]

Don't expect much from Trump in regards to how piss easy it is to get assault rifles. In the past his comments around public shootings have been that
if victims or bystanders had of been armed they could have taken out the shooter earlier. :rolleyes:

Yes because a crowd full of people carrying handguns would be very effective trying to hit a target hundreds of metres away and uphill

More likely they'd just shoot at anyone else carrying one and then be shot by the police

[AllanB]

Seriously I'm sick of the shit being on TV. Sad and all, but it's America - WTF do they expect?

Wait for the copycat nutters to light up over there ..........


Remember that guy who had drilled a hole in the boot (trunk) of his car and was popping off 'mericans some decades back.

[Ocean1]

Seriously I'm sick of the shit being on TV. Sad and all, but it's America - WTF do they expect?

Wait for the copycat nutters to light up over there ..........


Remember that guy who had drilled a hole in the boot (trunk) of his car and was popping off 'mericans some decades back.

No.

'Cause I don't watch shit on TV.

And I expect neither of those things will change any time soon.

[Woodman]

There's your insecurity showing again.

It's more a case of me having a more open and enquiring mind than the usual sheep.

Open and enquiring mind my ass.

[Katman]

Open and enquiring mind my ass.

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[Woodman]

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Yes . To put it another way you follow conpiracy theory fuckwitism like the sheep that you don't realise that you are.

[Katman]

Yes . To put it another way you follow conpiracy theory fuckwitism like the sheep that you don't realise that you are.

Dude, stick to what you're best at - displaying your insecurity regarding homosexuality.

[Woodman]

Dude, stick to what you're best at - displaying your insecurity regarding homosexuality.

You obviously read what you want into shit aye? No insecurity re homosexuality here at all, my beef was with a group (any group) campaigning to stop me speaking how I like.

[Katman]

You obviously read what you want into shit aye? No insecurity re homosexuality here at all, my beef was with a group (any group) campaigning to stop me speaking how I like.

How about people campaigning to stop other people questioning 'official stories'?

[Woodman]

How about people campaigning to stop other people questioning official stories?

Same as the nancyboys campaign. Its their right, same as its your right to object.

[Katman]

Same as the nancyboys campaign. Its their right, same as its your right to object.

So if it's their right, perhaps you should stop crying about it.

[Woodman]

So if it's their right, perhaps you should stop crying about it.

Oh so I am not allowed to take issue with other peoples opinions or actions then? Or is it only conspiracy fuckwits who are allowed?

[Katman]

Oh so I am not allowed to take issue with other peoples opinions or actions then? Or is it only conspiracy fuckwits who are allowed?

I actually don't give a fuck what you choose to cry about.

I do however find it amusing that you choose to cry about such inconsequential shit.

[Woodman]

I actually don't give a fuck what you choose to cry about.

.

Yet here you are......:niceone:

[Katman]

Yet here you are......:niceone:

Firstly, you dumb fuck, I was here in this thread well before you were.

Secondly, you dumb fuck, we're in this thread - not your little 'cry about gay people' thread.

[TheDemonLord]

Firstly, you dumb fuck, I was here in this thread well before you were.

The Self-entitlement is real.

[Woodman]

Dude, stick to what you're best at - displaying your insecurity regarding homosexuality.




Firstly, you dumb fuck, I was here in this thread well before you were.

Secondly, you dumb fuck, we're in this thread - not your little 'cry about gay people' thread.

uu-uum you started it. And you call me a dumb fuck?

[Katman]

The Self-entitlement is real.

Dude, fuck off with your retarded random capitalisation.

(I'll resist the temptation to start a thread about it though).

[ellipsis]

And you call me a dumb fuck?

...I'll second that, you dumb cunt...

[Woodman]

...I'll second that, you dumb cunt...

Hey, I already have a trained seal. Don't want two.

[TheDemonLord]

Dude, fuck off with your retarded random capitalisation.

(I'll resist the temptation to start a thread about it though).

And yet, not mere moments ago, you were proclaiming, from the highest soapbox in the land, people's rights to do things that annoy other people.

You swing back and forth more than an Analogue Metronome at 200 bpm.

[Katman]

And yet, not mere moments ago, you were proclaiming, from the highest soapbox in the land, people's rights to do things that annoy other people.

You should probably learn to read.

It was Brian that made the proclamation.

[TheDemonLord]

You should probably learn to read.

It was Brian that made the proclamation.

Reaaaaally


How about people campaigning to stop other people questioning 'official stories'?


So if it's their right, perhaps you should stop crying about it.

That would be twice in one day you've proved the point I was making....

shitforbrains

[Katman]

Reaaaaally





That would be twice in one day you've proved the point I was making....

shitforbrains

Did you miss post #78 shitforbrains?

[TheDemonLord]

Did you miss post #78 shitforbrains?

He was agreeing with what you said....

After you had your 'woe is me, the poor downtrodden and oppressed' moment.

[Katman]

He was agreeing with what you said....

Yes, it was when he made his proclamation about people's 'rights'.

Is it becoming clear yet?

[awayatc]

From terrorism to Kat fight......

Some differences are best settled in private....

With some boxing gloves

Or bits of 4 x 2

Or something

[Katman]

From terrorism to Kat fight......

I try to give the punters what they want.

[TheDemonLord]

Yes, it was when he made his proclamation about people's 'rights'.

Is it becoming clear yet?

He said:


You obviously read what you want into shit aye? No insecurity re homosexuality here at all, my beef was with a group (any group) campaigning to stop me speaking how I like.

So - he has an issue with a group trying to infringe on his rights. Which is different.

But clearly - you only read what you want to read...

[Katman]

But clearly - you only read what you want to read...

At least I comprehend what I read, shitforbrains.

[TheDemonLord]

At least I comprehend what I read, shitforbrains.

Yes Katman.
Totally Katman.
In exactly the same way "You really know what's going on" Katman.

(That's Sarcasm btw.)

[oldrider]

Yes Katman.
Totally Katman.
In exactly the same way "You really know what's going on" Katman.

(That's Sarcasm btw.)

In sport it's called playing the man rather than focussing on the ball.

There are some rather unsavoury activities going on in the world around us and you focus on Katman!

That will do it every time and you will be able to tell your grandchildren what you did while their freedoms were pulled out from beneath their feet!

Sure - we may not ever be able to influence world direction but even from the pillion I like to be able to understand where the bike is headed and for how and why. :ride:

[T.W.R]

:rolleyes:

https://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2015/07/full-moon-names.jpg.696x0_q70_crop-smart.jpg

[Doppleganger]

And if questions arise that appear to contradict the official story, will you give them any consideration?

Or will you automatically dismiss them simply because they don't align with the 'Official Story' that you've been told?


The reality is that you wouldn't have a fucking clue what experiments might possibly be being carried out under the umbrella of the likes of MKUltra.


Which questions would those be?


And I'm absolutely certain that there's still plenty about it that you wouldn't have a fucking clue about.


I'm not suggesting I know anything much about the extent that the MKUltra project has explored or has expanded to.

But then again, I'm not the one who likes to come out with such gems as "I don't know of any such detonator, so they clearly don't exist".


There's your insecurity showing again.

It's more a case of me having a more open and enquiring mind than the usual sheep.


You don't have a point shitforbrains.


Dude, stick to what you're best at - displaying your insecurity regarding homosexuality.


How about people campaigning to stop other people questioning 'official stories'?


I actually don't give a fuck what you choose to cry about.

I do however find it amusing that you choose to cry about such inconsequential shit.


Firstly, you dumb fuck, I was here in this thread well before you were.

Secondly, you dumb fuck, we're in this thread - not your little 'cry about gay people' thread.


Dude, fuck off with your retarded random capitalisation.

(I'll resist the temptation to start a thread about it though).


You should probably learn to read.

It was Brian that made the proclamation.


Did you miss post #78 shitforbrains?


Yes, it was when he made his proclamation about people's 'rights'.

Is it becoming clear yet?


I try to give the punters what they want.


At least I comprehend what I read, shitforbrains.

:clap::clap::clap::2thumbsup:2thumbsup Poppet arrived a little late in the piece but he's giving it a good go now :killingme:killingme ahhhh, ya can't keep a stupid twat down :niceone:

[Laava]

Is this the right thread for abuse?

[Grumph]

Is this the right thread for abuse?

In theory, no. But any thread where Cassina or katman get involved will inevitably turn into this sort of shitfight.

I formally apologise to the group for even mentioning the possibility of a conspiracy which might catch catflap's attention.

[Katman]

In theory, no. But any thread where Cassina or katman get involved will inevitably turn into this sort of shitfight.

I formally apologise to the group for even mentioning the possibility of a conspiracy which might catch catflap's attention.

At least you acknowledge you were one who helped set the scene.

[pritch]

It's more a case of me having a more open and enquiring mind than the usual sheep.

:killingme: That could be the motto of conspiracy theorists international. :nya:

[Woodman]

At least you acknowledge you were one who helped set the scene.

How long do we have to wait for yours?

[TheDemonLord]

how long do we have to wait for yours?

n+1


.......

[jasonu]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11930424

[Akzle]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11930424

funny. i've played with a rugger 22 with a bump stock, in this here land down under. inaccurate as fuck.
maybe they need heftier recoil.

from 32 floors up (+90y elevation), even firing into a football field size crowd... he didn't do too badly.

but did he ACTUALLY use the stocks, or did he just have them on one of the, what, 20 guns he didn't get to using

[Katman]

How long do we have to wait for yours?

Dude, what the fuck is wrong with your comprehension?

My comment relates to Grumph and Doppelgänger setting the scene for me to enter the thread.

How the fuck am I supposed to have 'set the scene' before I even opened my mouth?

[Grumph]

Dude, what the fuck is wrong with your comprehension?

My comment relates to Grumph and Doppelgänger setting the scene for me to enter the thread.

How the fuck am I supposed to have 'set the scene' before I even opened my mouth?

Past history suggests that any suggestion of a conspiracy theory and you'll be stuck to it like flypaper....

What I can not understand is how you've never got involved with MNZ - every Stewards decision is potentially a conspiracy theory.

[Katman]

Past history suggests that any suggestion of a conspiracy theory and you'll be stuck to it like flypaper....

And past history suggests you sheep aren't about to change into wolves clothing any time soon either.

[Kickaha]

from 32 floors up (+90y elevation), even firing into a football field size crowd... he didn't do too badly.

but did he ACTUALLY use the stocks, or did he just have them on one of the, what, 20 guns he didn't get to using

22,000 people would take up more than football field wouldn't it? Pretty big target to shoot at and not as though you're aiming to hit specific people

[Akzle]

22,000 people would take up more than football field wouldn't it? Pretty big target to shoot at and not as though you're aiming to hit specific people

fuck if i know, i'v only seen the diagrama on the news. concert looks to occupy 2 city blocks, liek, 80yd x 180, +with the elevation, and 100 y gap.

you're right that it seemed spray n pray.

[Katman]

fuck if i know, i'v only seen the diagrama on the news. concert looks to occupy 2 city blocks, liek, 80yd x 180, +with the elevation, and 100 y gap.

you're right that it seemed spray n pray.

I wonder what his wastage was.

[oldrider]

Keep in Mind Cameras Everywhere in Las Vegas Police State 🎥 - Interesting for those that may (or may not) be interested! :corn:
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/GADIsI9H8R4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[oldrider]

What is a bump fire stock? :scratch:

<iframe width="620" height="379" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/CQA8dwMl90I" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[oldrider]

Las Vegas Strip shooter prescribed powerful psychiatric meds prior to rampage https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2017/10/04/las-vegas-strip-shooter-prescribed-anti-anxiety-drugs-prior-to-rampage/ :rolleyes:

[GazzaH]

We're in big trouble now: gazillion of people have been prescribed powerful drugs, turning them all into gun-totin zombies. We got more pockles than apocalypse now.

[Kickaha]

- Interesting for those that may (or may not) be interested!

Not that interesting, lot of made up bullshit and assumptions with no real evidence and fuck me they sound like total fucking fruit loops

[Woodman]

Dude, what the fuck is wrong with your comprehension?

My comment relates to Grumph and Doppelgänger setting the scene for me to enter the thread.

How the fuck am I supposed to have 'set the scene' before I even opened my mouth?

You are the one who first mentioned what is going on in another thread which set the scene for another katman rant session. Are you on meth?

[oldrider]

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a35_1507244524

<iframe width="625" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/TFsQg9OUnYo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Katman]

I have no doubt that there were a number of concert goers carrying weapons.

While it doesn't rule out the possibility of more than one shooter it wouldn't be unexpected that people would pull out their concealed weapons.

[Woodman]

I have no doubt that there were a number of concert goers carrying weapons.

While it doesn't rule out the possibility of more than one shooter it wouldn't be unexpected that people would pull out their concealed weapons.

Very true.

Was thinking about the usa gun issue and have come to the conclusion that it is too big and has gone too far to ever fix.

[Akzle]

Very true.

Was thinking about the usa gun issue and have come to the conclusion that it is too big and has gone too far to ever fix.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWjhTWv9eUs

[pritch]

funny. i've played with a rugger 22 with a bump stock,

What is a rugger 22? A buggered Ruger perhaps? :whistle:

There are various sound clips of his firing. The first one I heard, the rate of fire slowed then sped up again. It sounded odd. The others apparently didn't sound like that, the speed was consistent.
People who had not heard the odd one were guessing that he had a machine gun up there. It was the odd sounding one that led to speculation about a bump stock. From the amount of shooting he was doing he likely had several rifles fitted with bump stocks.

As for speculation about psychotropic medication, the first report I saw mentioned valium. Some years ago I read an article that in the few dozen previous mass shooting events in the US of A all of the culprits had been on Prozac, alone or in combination with other drugs. A fairly serious side effect I'd have thought, but then Trump has recently signed that a firearms permit cannot be refused on mental health grounds. Marvellous, just bloody marvellous. :brick:

[oldrider]

Taxi driver video of the live events for those interested (or not to ignore) starts slowly and progresses as the chaos builds. - Bit different.
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[Katman]

Keep in Mind Cameras Everywhere in Las Vegas Police State �� - Interesting for those that may (or may not) be interested! :corn:

Well, regarding the guy's claim that the photo of the broken windows is taken before sunset, the question would have to be - was the photo taken on the day of the event or the following day?

The shooting happened just after 10pm, but sunset at this time of the year in Las Vegas is just after 6pm.

If those windows were broken 4 hours before the shooting even started - that would be fucking weird.

[Akzle]

What is a rugger 22? A buggered Ruger perhaps?

they all are. fucken POS.

[awayatc]

As to why so many guns.....

Shooting makes barrels very hot,
Shooting on auto makes barrels incredibly hot...

You never see that on Rambo movies but you supposed to change your barrel after every 100 rounds....
At 600/800 rounds a minute that gives you about 10 seconds or less on full auto.

Machine guns have quick changeable barrels. M16 and the like don't. ... so if you plan on playing Rambo for any length of time you need shit loads of shoddy military style rifles...

What happens if you don't change barrels after 100 rounds....?
They get so hot that I have seen them bend like a banana...
And I have also seen barrels blow off completely.

But when people are shooting back you don't always stop to change barrels.....

Why so many suitcases?

One box of 800 rounds of 7.62 (308 in Merica) only lasts a bit over a minute but takes 2 guys to carry...
5.56 mm is a lot lighter but still....

[oldrider]

Las Vegas Doctor and Resident Analyze the Tragedy (was looking at this from another site for another reason - actually interesting (or not!) cross connect popped up)


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[pritch]

Have read that the shooter had two bump stocks in the room with him. Interestingly that hotel is/was a gun free zone.

Off duty police at the concert were not permitted to be armed apparently. (Many would normally be armed when off duty.) Not that a Gock or similar would be any use in those circumstances.

[mada]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11930808

That retard bilzerianballbag was there trying to get some glory and impede the police..

:brick::brick::brick:

[Akzle]

Have read that the shooter had two bump stocks in the room with him. Interestingly that hotel is/was a gun free zone. well that worked out well for them.


Off duty police at the concert were not permitted to be armed apparently. (Many would normally be armed when off duty.) Not that a Gock or similar would be any use in those circumstances.

no. but it would only take one counter sniper team to have finished it pretty quickly.

[James Deuce]

no. but it would only take one counter sniper team to have finished it pretty quickly.

No one knew where it was coming from until the smoke alarm went off in the hotel room.

[jasonu]

Off duty police at the concert were not permitted to be armed apparently. (Many would normally be armed when off duty.) Not that a Gock or similar would be any use in those circumstances.

Where did you hear that? I've never heard of off duty cops not being allowed to carry.

[pritch]

Where did you hear that? I've never heard of off duty cops not being allowed to carry.

From the Blue Lives Matter website originally, it showed up as a discussion topic on a board I watch. Some of the LEOs on the board didn't agree with Chief Craig, they thought that unknown dudes producing a gun during an active shooter situation could be hazardous to their health.


Chief James Craig Doesn’t Like Trained Officers Being Disarmed

Detroit, MI – Detroit Police Chief James Craig said on Monday that off-duty police officers who were attending the concert in Las Vegas on Sunday night should have been armed, and that more should be done to prevent mass shootings.

Fifty-nine victims have died, and 567 victims were injured in Sunday night’s mass shooting at the Jason Aldean concert outside the Mandalay Bay Resort, according to WXYZ.

The suspect, Steven Paddock, killed himself as police officers breached his room on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay.

It was a scene of terror, fear, and chaos, as shots rang out while performer Jason Aldean was on stage. It was the final night of the three-day Route 91 Harvest Festival in Las Vegas Village.

One witness, Meghan Kearney, told MSNBC, “We heard what sounded like firecrackers going off. Then all of a sudden we heard what sounded like a machine gun. People started screaming that they were hit… When we started running out there were probably a couple hundred [people] on the ground.”

She said, “People kept dropping and dropping. … People were getting shot one foot away from us,” she said. “People were trying to save their friends. There were gunshots everywhere. Helping them would’ve meant that we got shot, too.”

In a press conference, Chief James Craig said, “I’m told they (off-duty officers) were not allowed to bring in their firearm. That is a problem for me.”

He has long advocated for off-duty police officers to be able to carry their weapons, and praised the MLB for allowing them to do so.

At the same time, he criticized the NFL for not allowing police officers, including federal officers, to have their weapons with them at a game.

Chief Craig said, “In these times we’re in right now, we have to find ways to mitigate threats. We have to consider the off-duty officer a force multiplier.”

“We have to start thinking on risk mitigation. We need to think about force multipliers and the only way we do that is to think about off-duty officers,” he added.

He said that the Las Vegas Police Department “moved quickly to take out the threat,” according to ClickonDetroit. He also said that something should be done to prevent people from stockpiling guns in a motel room.

Chief Craig said, “While off-duty officers might not have saved lives in the Vegas massacre attack, every second counts, and armed off-duty officers must be equipped to take out active shooters.”

“I mean, what good are they if they aren’t armed?”

At least sixteen firearms were reportedly found inside Paddock’s room, and investigators in Las Vegas are trying to determine how he got the weapons into his room, which he checked into on September 28, according to Fox News.

In addition to the weapons multiple very high-capacity magazines were found inside Paddock’s room; more weapons and ammunition were found at his residence after a search warrant was obtained.

Some of the weapons were high-powered rifles that were capable of penetrating a police officer’s body armor. A modified bump stock rifle was found, which allows a gun to simulate rapid automatic gunfire. The guns are being tested to determine if they were capable of firing automatically.

[Akzle]

No one knew where it was coming from until the smoke alarm went off in the hotel room.

you know what counter snipers are really good at, trained for, even?

you'll never guess.

[James Deuce]

you know what counter snipers are really good at, trained for, even?

you'll never guess.
Shooting the person with the gun. Which would have been half of the crowd the moment they realised they'd heard gunfire. These were rednecks at a Country Music festival.

[Akzle]

At least sixteen firearms were reportedly found inside Paddock’s room,
huh. what happened to the, like, 28 or 30?


Some of the weapons were high-powered rifles that were capable of penetrating a police officer’s body armor.
which means what? fucken 5.56 ball will do that shit. easy.
or if you can find any of these http://www.quarryhs.co.uk/THV.htm


A modified bump stock rifle was found, which allows a gun to simulate rapid automatic gunfire. The guns are being tested to determine if they were capable of firing automatically.

"modified" bump stock? why?

not *scary* modified guns!!!!11011

[Akzle]

Shooting the person with the gun. Which would have been half of the crowd the moment they realised they'd heard gunfire. These were rednecks at a Country Music festival.

except no.

[pritch]

huh. what happened to the, like, 28 or 30?

"modified" bump stock? why?


Try and keep up. The 'missing' weapons were still at his house.

There is a problem when the reporters lack any understanding of the technical detail about which they are writing. I'll be charitable and assume they are referring to the bump stocks as a modification.

It's the same in NZ, if the press are required to mention a rifle it will invariably be described as 'high powered' - unless it was a 22.

[Akzle]

Try and keep up. The 'missing' weapons were still at his house.
i try not to. it saves me from droll conversations with people who believe the news.
and i'm picking that by the time all the facts are to hand, everyone will have lost interest.


There is a problem when the reporters lack any understanding of the technical detail about which they are writing. I'll be charitable and assume they are referring to the bump stocks as a modification.

It's the same in NZ, if the press are required to mention a rifle it will invariably be described as 'high powered' - unless it was a 22.

worse if the ignorance is pushing/supporting an agenda.
they have sports reporters, human interest, weather events etc, it's a wonder jews outlets don't have a knowledgable firearms reporter on hand...or y'know someone who isn't talking out their ass.

[Cosmik de Bris]

Try and keep up. The 'missing' weapons were still at his house.

There is a problem when the reporters lack any understanding of the technical detail about which they are writing. I'll be charitable and assume they are referring to the bump stocks as a modification.

It's the same in NZ, if the press are required to mention a rifle it will invariably be described as 'high powered' - unless it was a 22.

Yes, no one is ever shot with a low powered rifle. Sometimes the phrase high calibre is used as well.

Cheers

[TheDemonLord]

Yes, no one is ever shot with a low powered rifle

On the Contrary - plenty of people at my work are shot by Nerf guns all the time....

[trufflebutter]

I find it abhorrent that those who died during this cowardly attack are just ''numbers'' to the media. Why the gutless piece of shit who did this is getting so much world wide attention is beyond reasonable belief. Each "number" was a real living person who loved and was loved, of that I have no doubt.

[jasonu]

I find it abhorrent that those who died during this cowardly attack are just ''numbers'' to the media. Why the gutless piece of shit who did this is getting so much world wide attention is beyond reasonable belief. Each "number" was a real living person who loved and was loved, of that I have no doubt.

How do you suggest the media refer to them?

[Banditbandit]

Where did you hear that? I've never heard of off duty cops not being allowed to carry.

It would not have mattered - the chance of an armed cop in the crowd hitting a sniper across the road in the 35th floor with a hand gun is about nil, zero, zip ...

[Banditbandit]

This guy has balls ... in the middle of the shooting flips the bird to the gunman ...

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11276319.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/PAY-MAIN-Moment-defiant-concert-goer-gives-Las-Vegas-gun-maniac-the-finger-as-bullets-rain-down-around-him.jpg

[trufflebutter]

How do you suggest the media refer to them?


The media don't refer to any of them, they did in the first day or two as 'the 58' but it's been all about the shooter since then.

They (narcissistic mass murders) seem to enter the weird realm of martyrdom via media coverage. I guess that's what they wanted all along?

[TheDemonLord]

The media don't refer to any of them, they did in the first day or two as 'the 58' but it's been all about the shooter since then.

They (narcissistic mass murders) seem to enter the weird realm of martyrdom via media coverage. I guess that's what they wanted all along?

It's par for the Course.

It's part our Morbid curiosity, part there is nothing remarkable about being killed, but there is something 'remarkable' with mass killing, the 'why' is strangely fascinating to us.

[Kickaha]

This guy has balls ... in the middle of the shooting flips the bird to the gunman ..
Playing the odds, the gunman would be lucky to even see him let alone hit him

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11931061 :lol:

[Woodman]

The media don't refer to any of them, they did in the first day or two as 'the 58' but it's been all about the shooter since then.

They (narcissistic mass murders) seem to enter the weird realm of martyrdom via media coverage. I guess that's what they wanted all along?

To be fair the media are there to report the news and the people are dead so end of story in regards to them except for the human interest stories. The gunman and his motives on the other hand is ongoing relevant news and will be for quite some time.

[jonbuoy]

To be fair the media are there to report the news and the people are dead so end of story in regards to them except for the human interest stories. The gunman and his motives on the other hand is ongoing relevant news and will be for quite some time.

Fast track to your own Wikipedia page. Is there a quicker way into the history books? It does mean leaving a stain on society but that doesn’t seem to bother them. Better evil than nothing must be the mantra.

[scumdog]

The media don't refer to any of them, they did in the first day or two as 'the 58' but it's been all about the shooter since then.

They (narcissistic mass murders) seem to enter the weird realm of martyrdom via media coverage. I guess that's what they wanted all along?


These idiots are dumber than dumb - how will they ever know what people think/say about them - they're freakin dead!:weird:


A shame they were so deadly when they were alive - should just kill themselves right at the start and cut out the middle men. (and women - and kids)

[scumdog]

no. but it would only take one counter sniper team to have finished it pretty quickly.

'Quickly' - how quickly?

For them to be called, arrive, assess, locate a counter position to the gunmans shooting position (Obviously not from the ground) and them shoot him?

[Akzle]

'Quickly' - how quickly?

For them to be called, arrive, asses, locate a counter position to the gunmans shooting position (Obviously not from the ground) and them shoot him?
quite. being that the idea would be to have them on standby. like at the superbowl. (murka, hoo rah)

and why "obviously" not from the ground??

[awayatc]

and why "obviously" not from the ground??

Coz you always pick the high ground...

You shoot down...

Not up

Not if you can help it.

Movies have a lot to answer for...
There are fuck all snipers on this planet.

Takes more then just slapping a scope on a hunting rifle....

[Akzle]

Coz you always pick the high ground...

You shoot down...

Not up

Not if you can help it.
mmmm. no.

i'd take concealment and mobility over elevation. too many movies for you old son :bleh:


Movies have a lot to answer for...
There are fuck all snipers on this planet.

Takes more then just slapping a scope on a hunting rifle....

i know. i happen to shoot a long long way, recreationally.

[awayatc]

Not quite the same when targets are shooting back......

And fwiw...

I watch very few movies.....

Not even a hand full a year.

Different ways of getting experience.....

[Akzle]

Not quite the same when targets are shooting back......
yeah. but he wouldn't be shooting back, because he wasn't sniping shit, and wouldn't have known to look for CS.

even if CS became routine, and people DID know to look for, they'd never know how many teams there were, and once they'd taken a shot at the first, their time would become quickly limited.


And fwiw...

I watch very few movies.....

Not even a hand full a year.

Different ways of getting experience.....

yay you, personally i prefer not being shot /at.

[pritch]

I find it abhorrent that those who died during this cowardly attack are just ''numbers'' to the media. Why the gutless piece of shit who did this is getting so much world wide attention is beyond reasonable belief. Each "number" was a real living person who loved and was loved, of that I have no doubt.

And many of those hundreds of victims are now facing huge medical bills. Because of the strange system they have, even those who have insurance may face large bills.

[EJK]

And many of those hundreds of victims are now facing huge medical bills. Because of the strange system they have, even those who have insurance may face large bills.

Yes. Watch from 3:32.

https://youtu.be/f1qvvD8N17c?t=3m32s

That Youtube channel is full of bullshit but that's the only bit worth watching.

[FlangMasterJ]

mmmm. no.

i'd take concealment and mobility over elevation. too many movies for you old son :bleh:

Okay Bob Lee Swagger, how would you have done it?

[Akzle]

Okay Bob Lee Swagger, how would you have done it?

it's funny cos that movies the perfect ie of not needing the highest ground to righteously fuck peoples shit up. ghillie suits win.

in this instance, a blacked out van parked somewhere would probably have done.

if you wanted a decent overwatch then you'd need 8, each holding a corner, 4 on rooftops and 4 half way down the buildings.

[TheDemonLord]

it's funny cos that movies the perfect ie of not needing the highest ground to righteously fuck peoples shit up. ghillie suits win.

in this instance, a blacked out van parked somewhere would probably have done.

if you wanted a decent overwatch then you'd need 8, each holding a corner, 4 on rooftops and 4 half way down the buildings.

http://www.evilenglish.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/keyboard-warrior-600x370.jpg

https://pics.me.me/tactical-keyboard-for-all-our-keyboard-warrior-friends-happy-monday-26995628.png

https://i.imgflip.com/108w74.jpg

https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED168/55e8df57dac3d.jpeg

Okay - I'll stop now.

[pritch]

ghillie suits win.


LOL I haven't been there, I would have expected some "sights" but a ghillie suit? In down town Las Vegas? I don't think they've even had one of those in Walmart. Yet.

[Akzle]

[]

Okay - I'll stop now.

as you should.
come play paintball bro.

could lern you a few things about that black gun of yours too

[Akzle]

LOL I haven't been there, I would have expected some "sights" but a ghillie suit? In down town Las Vegas? I don't think they've even had one of those in Walmart. Yet.

that was re: teh movie. and iirc he only ever wore a snow one.

but the moral of the story is "blend in"

[TheDemonLord]

as you should.
come play paintball bro.

could lern you a few things about that black gun of yours too

I think the enemy Paintball team would be a bit upset if I was to use my AR....

That said, there could be no arguing over whether or not they got hit :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Akzle]

I think the enemy Paintball team would be a bit upset if I was to use my AR....

That said, there could be no arguing over whether or not they got hit :laugh::laugh::laugh:

if you manage to hit them <_<

[trufflebutter]

To be fair the media are there to report the news and the people are dead so end of story in regards to them except for the human interest stories. The gunman and his motives on the other hand is ongoing relevant news and will be for quite some time.

Kind of like Winston Peters on one hand and the Maori Party on the other? Yeah a tough juggling act for sure.

[trufflebutter]

And many of those hundreds of victims are now facing huge medical bills. Because of the strange system they have, even those who have insurance may face large bills.

ObamaCare? ...oh no wait :nono:

[EJK]

ObamaCare? ...oh no wait :nono:

I'm thinking, if obesity rate wasn't so high maybe some obesity related medical budget of $190 billion dollars (annual) could be better allocated so that health cover can actually be 100% free to US citizens?

Mind you, $190 billion dollars is "larger" than entire NZ's GDP in 2016.

[oldrider]

I'm thinking, if obesity rate wasn't so high maybe some obesity related medical budget of $190 billion dollars (annual) could be better allocated so that health cover can actually be 100% free to US citizens?

Mind you, $190 billion dollars is "larger" than entire NZ's GDP in 2016.

How much $$$ does the American taxpayer give to Israel annually - that would more than pay for health care at home! :rolleyes:

Try 38 Billion for starters. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/09/14/united-states-military-aid-israel/90358564/

[EJK]

How much $$$ does the American taxpayer give to Israel annually - that would more than pay for health care at home! :rolleyes:

Try 38 Billion for starters. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/09/14/united-states-military-aid-israel/90358564/

Ah yep that too. In ten years money spent on treating fat-ass disease will topple $2 trillion dollars then.

[Akzle]

Ah yep that too. In ten years money spent on treating fat-ass disease will topple $2 trillion dollars then.

you're looking at it from the non-jew side of the equation.

it's not money spent it's money made.
there's no profit to be had from a healthy well adjusted free thinking population.

[TheDemonLord]

there's no profit to be had from a healthy well adjusted free thinking population.

There's plenty....

[oldrider]

Something to think about re Las Vegas shooting? (so many video clips have been taken down) Interesting for those who might be interested! :corn:

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[TheDemonLord]

It has begun...

[pritch]

I read about that almost straight away but hadn't seen this clip. Second shooter is a recurring theory ever since the grassy knoll.

His "science" seems OK, a lot of that is consistent with army basic training. It'll show up on YouTube as "crack and thump". My problem with his theory is that in none of the audio clips are there two rifles firing - and there have been a lot of people listening. If there was another rifle you'da thunk someone would've noticed?

I expect, however, that Katman will be along shortly.

[Swoop]

Acoustic returns from lots of hard surfaces like concrete are "challenging" at best.
I doubt one of the new detection systems would function too well in built-up areas, but would be interesting to find out how well they perform.

[Doppleganger]

I read about that almost straight away but hadn't seen this clip. Second shooter is a recurring theory ever since the grassy knoll.

His "science" seems OK, a lot of that is consistent with army basic training. It'll show up on YouTube as "crack and thump". My problem with his theory is that in none of the audio clips are there two rifles firing - and there have been a lot of people listening. If there was another rifle you'da thunk someone would've noticed?

I expect, however, that Katman will be along shortly.

He'll be busy researching all the information from his 'credible' sources to prove to everybody it was a hoax, no one died, they were all actors blah blah blah

[Katman]

I expect, however, that Katman will be along shortly.


He'll be busy researching all the information from his 'credible' sources to prove to everybody it was a hoax, no one died, they were all actors blah blah blah

Fucks sake, you cunts would be lost without me, wouldn't you?

[FJRider]

Fucks sake, you cunts would be lost without me, wouldn't you?

Why don't you fuck off ... and we'd know for sure ... :shifty:

[Katman]

My only question regarding the video on the previous page is - were all the bullets shot by Stephen Paddock of the same calibre?

If they were, then the difference in time lag needs serious consideration.

If he used ammo of different calibre then the video is rather pointless.

[onearmedbandit]

My only question regarding the video on the previous page is - were all the bullets shot by Stephen Paddock of the same calibre?

If they were, then the difference in time lag needs serious consideration.

If he used ammo of different calibre then the video is rather pointless.

I wondered the exact same thing.

[pritch]

One thought that occurred to me, after the mysterious note he left that contained no words only numbers which then turned out to be his trajectory calculations, was that he could've saved himself the effort if he had tracer rounds. It turns out now that he did have tracers but didn't use them.

[Kickaha]

Fucks sake, you cunts would be lost without me, wouldn't you?
Fuck off we would, I gotta GPS


One thought that occurred to me, after the mysterious note he left that contained no words only numbers which then turned out to be his trajectory calculations, was that he could've saved himself the effort if he had tracer rounds. It turns out now that he did have tracers but didn't use them.

That's how I would have done it, would have made the shooters position way easier to find though

[pritch]

That's how I would have done it, would have made the shooters position way easier to find though

Ah yes, of course, tracers work both ways.

[Akzle]

One thought that occurred to me, after the mysterious note he left that contained no words only numbers which then turned out to be his trajectory calculations, was that he could've saved himself the effort if he had tracer rounds. It turns out now that he did have tracers but didn't use them.

which is a bit fucken dumb as if he'd put enough rounds through the guns he'd have his drop charts memorised.

[scumdog]

He was worried about bullet drop at that range when he's spraying a packed confined crowd in a relatively large area???

That proves he must be mad.<_<

[jasonu]

One thought that occurred to me, after the mysterious note he left that contained no words only numbers which then turned out to be his trajectory calculations, was that he could've saved himself the effort if he had tracer rounds. It turns out now that he did have tracers but didn't use them.

There was a news item here that said he tried to buy tracers at a gun show not long before the shooting but for some reason failed to do so.

[Katman]

He was worried about bullet drop at that range when he's spraying a packed confined crowd in a relatively large area???

Yeah, it sounded like bullshit to me too.

That pritch, he'll believe anything. :rolleyes:

[Akzle]

He was worried about bullet drop at that range when he's spraying a packed confined crowd in a relatively large area???

That proves he must be mad.<_<

haven't heard detail of caliber or brand of the projectiles they're pulling out of the bodies.


i'll take bets on whether they're government issue or not...

[scumdog]

haven't heard detail of caliber or brand of the projectiles they're pulling out of the bodies.


i'll take bets on whether they're government issue or not...


Like 223?

That would be a telling feature...:rolleyes:

[pritch]

haven't heard detail of caliber or brand of the projectiles they're pulling out of the bodies.
i'll take bets on whether they're government issue or not...

Maybe I wasn't paying attention, but I don't recall ever reading a police statement as to the make of bullet used in a crime. I can see how they might request information from the public to assist with identifying something, but to just make gratuitous announcements doesn't seem realistic. Then again Trump is prez, who can say what is realistic?

[yokel]

Multiple shooters in multiple locations.


https://youtu.be/f3y8924sKZI

AR15 meltdown just for fun.


https://youtu.be/7cr9e3N6HEw

[Akzle]

Like 223?

That would be a telling feature...:rolleyes:

yes. absolutely. <_<

[Akzle]

Maybe I wasn't paying attention, but I don't recall ever reading a police statement as to the make of bullet used in a crime. I can see how they might request information from the public to assist with identifying something, but to just make gratuitous announcements doesn't seem realistic. Then again Trump is prez, who can say what is realistic?

not sure wherethe reports come from, police, coroners, whatever. but they do come out.
i think it was k-marts hollow points that were used in the last school shoot up.
but mostly the media just beats it up. "cop killer" bullets and the whatnot.
I've an idea (correct or not) that winchester only sell their talon slugs to teh govt.

[Akzle]

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/cnnbumpstockfail-1280x720.jpg
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10/07/cnn-mocked-with-hilarious-reaction-for-showing-rifle-with-grenade-launcher-while-talking-bump-stocks/

[oldrider]

Friends Of Jihad In CIA-FBI Intimidate Vegas Victims http://www.rense.com/general96/friendsofjihad.html :scratch: The parasitical enemy within? - Goodbye USA? :bye:

[Swoop]

Like 223?

That would be a telling feature...:rolleyes:
Or 5.56?
Some retard would claim a conspiracy though...

[Banditbandit]

Like 223?

That would be a telling feature...:rolleyes:


yes. absolutely. <_<

Why? You can buy .223 ammo over the counter in Godzone (as long as you have the right piece of plastic ...)

I'm sure you can buy .223 ammo in the states over the counter ..

[Katman]

So still no news on whether the ammo Stephen Paddock shot off was all of the same calibre?

[TheDemonLord]

So still no news on whether the ammo Stephen Paddock shot off was all of the same calibre?

I think both yourself and the video is making a fair few assumptions:

https://www.federalpremium.com/ammunition/rifle/caliber/223-rem

Same Calibre, same Manufacturer but different projectiles gives a variance of 3700 FPS to 2720 FPS - who is to say that he only bought one specific weight of projectile?

Not to mention we are also assuming that they are fired from the same rifle, with the same barrell length.

Interesting video - but it's making assumptions (not entirely unreasonable ones, mind) that it doesn't have the evidence to support.

[Katman]

Interesting video - but it's making assumptions (not entirely unreasonable ones, mind) that it doesn't have the evidence to support.

It's raising questions that deserve to be investigated - not ignored.

[TheDemonLord]

It's raising questions that deserve to be investigated - not ignored.

Who said it was being ignored? In the Video - he's pointing to the Audio delay between impact and report as conclusive proof of a second shooter. It's not conclusive because it makes some very key assumptions - for which he doesn't have the evidence to make.

Another thought on this is that we are also assuming that the distance of the microphone between the impact and the shooter is constant and approximately at the point of Impact.

For example - if the microphone was moved to closer to the base of the Hotel, the lag would decrease (since the sound wave for the report propagates out from the Muzzle of the Rifle, whereas the Sound wave from the Impact propagates out from the point of Impact).

I'm saying that the Video (whilst interesting) jumps to a conclusion, based on some assumptions (even if they are relatively reasonable) and presents it as gospell fact.

[Katman]

Who said it was being ignored?

Given time I'm sure people like yourself will happily accept an "In the interest of public safety......." explanation as to the lack of information being released.

[TheDemonLord]

Given time I'm sure people like yourself will happily accept an "In the interest of public safety......." explanation as to the lack of information being released.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxzJGgox_E

[Akzle]

I think both yourself and the video is making a fair few assumptions:

https://www.federalpremium.com/ammunition/rifle/caliber/223-rem

Same Calibre, same Manufacturer but different projectiles gives a variance of 3700 FPS to 2720 FPS - who is to say that he only bought one specific weight of projectile?

Not to mention we are also assuming that they are fired from the same rifle, with the same barrell length.

Interesting video - but it's making assumptions (not entirely unreasonable ones, mind) that it doesn't have the evidence to support.

actually it's generally the powder charge that gives variance in MV. while pojectile weights and BC will , for a given charge, affect the FPS, it's not the most influential factorin loading

[Akzle]

Why? You can buy .223 ammo over the counter in Godzone (as long as you have the right piece of plastic ...)

I'm sure you can buy .223 ammo in the states over the counter ..

sarcasm font...<_<

there are, i'm sure, factory loads that are unavailable to the civ market.

[Swoop]

there are, i'm sure, factory loads that are unavailable to the civ market.

Correct.


Also:
With the (recently debated) latest round of useless firearm law suggestions for NZ, the plod wanted .338 to become "unavailable".
Bloody stupid really.

[TheDemonLord]

With the (recently debated) latest round of useless firearm law suggestions for NZ, the plod wanted .338 to become "unavailable".
Bloody stupid really.

I missed that - Sauce?

[Akzle]

I missed that - Sauce?

well the po-po shoot. 308. out of, liek 18" barrells. so they don't want you being able to shoot further than them.
it's a wonder they're not wanting to ban everything bigger than that. although. 338 does have a reputation as a snipeysnipey round.

curious though. hadn't heard about it, not that i go looking for "news" much.


and i'm still not sure, at all, why the police are involved in firearms policy, at all.

[Swoop]

I missed that - Sauce?

It was part of the lead up to the amendment of the firearms act. Have a look at the "report into the misuse of firearms" paper as well, it is in there somewhere.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bills-and-laws/bills-proposed-laws/document/00DBHOH_BILL6590_1/arms-amendment-bill-no-3

Lots of utter bullshit about "combating the gang use of firearms" which wouldn't do a single thing towards that goal, but would be to the detriment of all kiwi shooters... which is their undeclared goal really.

[scumdog]

Who said it was being ignored? In the Video - he's pointing to the Audio delay between impact and report as conclusive proof of a second shooter. It's not conclusive because it makes some very key assumptions - for which he doesn't have the evidence to make.

Another thought on this is that we are also assuming that the distance of the microphone between the impact and the shooter is constant and approximately at the point of Impact.

For example - if the microphone was moved to closer to the base of the Hotel, the lag would decrease (since the sound wave for the report propagates out from the Muzzle of the Rifle, whereas the Sound wave from the Impact propagates out from the point of Impact).

I'm saying that the Video (whilst interesting) jumps to a conclusion, based on some assumptions (even if they are relatively reasonable) and presents it as gospell fact.


I doubt the dude with his fancy theory is corred.
He sounded like some type of infomercial....

[scumdog]

well the po-po shoot. 308. out of, liek 18" barrells. so they don't want you being able to shoot further than them.
it's a wonder they're not wanting to ban everything bigger than that. although. 338 does have a reputation as a snipeysnipey round.

curious though. hadn't heard about it, not that i go looking for "news" much.


and i'm still not sure, at all, why the police are involved in firearms policy, at all.

308?

most have 223.

And then there's the ones most know nothing about...:shifty:

[Akzle]

308?

most have 223.

And then there's the ones most know nothing about...:shifty:

remington 700 i think it was. noisy fucker.

[awayatc]

308?

most have 223.

And then there's the ones most know nothing about...:shifty:

The military went for 223 purely because it's smaller and lighter to carry.....

What on earth could be the reason for police to chose 223?

They don't do daily armed patrols miles away from resupply,
Nor do they go through any large amounts of ammo.
Nor is it hard to get supplies delivered to the local cop shops.

223 is a barely adequate calibre for its intended use....

If I would ever needed to shoot in anger, I would then expect to be able to that with a proper weapon.

I'd be offended if I were a coppa.....

[yokel]

Things are going to get weird.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddocks-brother-arrested-for-child-porn/

I'm sure all the Hollywood pedos must be worried.

#pizzagate