On Road Costs

[Blue Smoke]

Looking at buying a new Suzuki 150 for under $3000 but on road costs are +$500 and servicing has do be done at the dealer during warranty at $250 at the time. Is there a way to avoid the on road costs and the expensive servicing or are these costs standard?

[jasonu]

For a $250 service on a 150cc 4 stroke I'd expect at least new tires or a blowie. There is just nothing to do.

[jellywrestler]

Looking at buying a new Suzuki 150 for under $3000 but on road costs are +$500 and servicing has do be done at the dealer during warranty at $250 at the time. Is there a way to avoid the on road costs and the expensive servicing or are these costs standard?

don't road register it, and don't use it

[Woodman]

Looking at buying a new Suzuki 150 for under $3000 but on road costs are +$500 and servicing has do be done at the dealer during warranty at $250 at the time. Is there a way to avoid the on road costs and the expensive servicing or are these costs standard?

It doesn't have to be serviced by the dealer, just has to be serviced correctly. And it won't void the warranty.

[FJRider]

Looking at buying a new Suzuki 150 for under $3000 but on road costs are +$500 and servicing has do be done at the dealer during warranty at $250 at the time. Is there a way to avoid the on road costs and the expensive servicing or are these costs standard?

Not new ... but 1300 km's. $2600 ono

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1411050771.htm

[AllanB]

Fucks sake are you 12 years old?

You want to ride new that's the cost of first time rego.

You want a new bike, and a factory warranty and the corresponding service history for when you sell it so you can ask top dollar, pay the dealer the service costs.

End of story.


It's called being a adult. Don't like it ride a push bike. No rego, no servicing fees. Pull wheelies without the law razzing on you. And chicks dig that bar between their thighs when you dub them.

[Graystone]

Looking at buying a new Suzuki 150 for under $3000 but on road costs are +$500 and servicing has do be done at the dealer during warranty at $250 at the time. Is there a way to avoid the on road costs and the expensive servicing or are these costs standard?

Pretty standard mate, can't be avoided really, just factor it in to the buy price (the dealer almost certainly is). Compare vs a second hand bike and you might get a lot better value for 3.5k

[AllanB]

Years ago I got free registration and servicing if I gave blow-jobs.

Fixed it for you.


Proportionally they sell shit load more cars. Likely have a higher profit percentage. And I don't know but I suspect the importers (Ford, Honda etc) assist with the 'free' servicing.

Car rego is cheap compared to a motorcycle. Unfair to compare the two - $520 a year for the bike, as low as $77 for a car.

[caspernz]

Looking at buying a new Suzuki 150 for under $3000 but on road costs are +$500 and servicing has do be done at the dealer during warranty at $250 at the time. Is there a way to avoid the on road costs and the expensive servicing or are these costs standard?

Welcome to the adult world. Yes this is pretty standard, the ORC will comprise 6 months rego and dealer prep. You can negotiate a little if you've got the cash, or just buy used. One or two year old bikes can make sense dollar wise :woohoo:

[AllanB]

A better way to go would be to perhaps put the retail price of the bike up to cover servicing and registration as I am sure that would be how its funded with car dealers that don't state registration and servicing are additional costs.

Possibly. But us motorcyclists are a bitchy bunch and if shop 'A' in Christchurch added on road to the new bike ticket price, we would have been Googling before buying and find out that shop 'B' in Ashburton has them ticketed $500 less. You ultimately pay the same total but no doubt KB would be full of 'rip-off' dealer posts. :(

[Blue Smoke]

Possibly. But us motorcyclists are a bitchy bunch and if shop 'A' in Christchurch added on road to the new bike ticket price, we would have been Googling before buying and find out that shop 'B' in Ashburton has them ticketed $500 less. You ultimately pay the same total but no doubt KB would be full of 'rip-off' dealer posts. :(
It would be easier if they included all the costs when advertising a new bike.

[Blue Smoke]

Not new ... but 1300 km's. $2600 ono

https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-1411050771.htm

Thanks, it's on my watch list.

[AllanB]

It would be easier if they included all the costs when advertising a new bike.

While I agree hidden costs suck-arse.

But $19,995 sounds a shit of a lot better to your wife than $20,550. :rolleyes:

[neels]

There is the cost of the bike, that's about the only negotiable part, ironically if you finance it you'll get a better price and pay at the other end instead.

Then there is the proportionately exorbitant cost of first registration, no escaping that.

If you want to maintain your warranty you pay the shop for servicing, it costs money to have other people do stuff for you. The dealer only wants to take the risk of damage done by their own ham fisted mechanics, not whoever you choose to take it to in order to save yourself $25, or yourself at home.

The only advantage I can see of paying the premium for buying new is that nobody has had a chance to fuck with it yet.

[Jeeper]

Registration is what it is. We have to pay regardless of whether we pay within the sale price or separately. Doesn't matter. I prefer paying it separately. Almost all dealers I have seen advertise prixe +ORC. That allows comparisons.

[onearmedbandit]

Different dealers charge different ORC. Simple way of doing it is advertising price plus orc for easy comparison.

Cash is king? Bullshit. Finance is far better for the dealer, especially in second hand market.

[Blue Smoke]

If I had $ 20 000 I wouldn't worry about $ 500 but since I only have $ 3 000 it's a pain.

[Jeeper]

If I had $ 20 000 I wouldn't worry about $ 500 but since I only have $ 3 000 it's a pain.Understable, but initial registration fee includes more than just licensing fee (i.e. the rego). Initial registration will have a plate price as well for example. It may also include inspection and first WoF. Worth asking for the breakdown from the dealer.

[Jeeper]

Looking at buying a new Suzuki 150 for under $3000 but on road costs are +$500 and servicing has do be done at the dealer during warranty at $250 at the time. Is there a way to avoid the on road costs and the expensive servicing or are these costs standard?$250 for service? I just noticed that. My first service at the dealer for the XSR 700 was a lot less than that. Seems excessive. Shop around definitely.

[AllanB]

If I had $ 20 000 I wouldn't worry about $ 500 but since I only have $ 3 000 it's a pain.

Yeah ya would because there would be a R or S model at $22,500, plus $500 makes it $23k and too much of a stretch from you original blown budget of $20k :sweatdrop

[rastuscat]

And chicks dig that bar between their thighs when you dub them.

My motivation for cycling summed up right there.

[cadium]

Understable, but initial registration fee includes more than just licensing fee (i.e. the rego). Initial registration will have a plate price as well for example. It may also include inspection and first WoF. Worth asking for the breakdown from the dealer.

I did just that when I couldn't understand how the on road "COSTS" were $580 for a 400cc motorcycle.

I asked:
Hi,
$580? is that for 12 months? NZTA lists it as $471.78
and this is what I got back:
The $580 is made up of 6 months registration, WOF, fuel and also internal freight within NZ.

Lets look at that a bit. 6 Months rego is $271.09. 17 litres of fuel $34 (at the time) wof $35. Internal freight they can get stuffed, Noel Leeming don't charge me for getting the fridge to their shop FFS. so we have 340.09 that's 239.91 of extra profit on the "on road costs"

Not good enough. it is about time that all road vehicles were listed at their drive away price, no exceptions.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Its a rip off that bike dealers expect you to pay for warranty service when its free when you buy a car. Maybe if you offer cash the dealer may throw it in for free or free registration. Years ago I got free registration and servicing if I paid cash.


A better way to go would be to perhaps put the retail price of the bike up to cover servicing and registration as I am sure that would be how its funded with car dealers that don't state registration and servicing are additional costs.

Make up your mind. And scooters of this value have incredibly small margins. There's literally nothing to give away in them. So fuck off with your cash.

[Jeeper]

Make up your mind. And scooters of this value have incredibly small margins. There's literally nothing to give away in them. So fuck off with your cash.$500 margin on a $3,000 item for dealer to absorb? I agree, margins are not what people think they are. I say, customer is not always right. Business has a right to profit and be paid for their effort.

[Crasherfromwayback]

$500 margin on a $3,000 item for dealer to absorb? I agree, margins are not what people think they are. I say, customer is not always right. Business has a right to profit and be paid for their effort.

By the time you assemble the thing, fill it with fuel etc, there's often nothing left. But customers more often than not expect you to not make any money. It's how society has evolved.

[FJRider]

It would be easier if they included all the costs when advertising a new bike.

If you can read ... you would have noticed the ... + on road costs just after the stated retail price.

Even if you buy an import car now days ... on road costs usually need to be paid by the buyer.

The lower "Full Cost" price looks better without the extra costs being added. these extras are commonly referred to as being in "The small print" ....

All said and done ... nothing new or unusual. Get over it ... and either buy it ... or not. You are free to choose ... :whistle:

[FJRider]

... Not good enough. it is about time that all road vehicles were listed at their drive away price, no exceptions.

In the first post of this thread the OP told us what the FULL cost of buying and getting the bike on the road was. Buy a calculator and work it out yourself ... or do you need to have that explained as well .. ???

[Jeeper]

Ok, would you be happy with $4,495 as a ride away price with 4 services included, 6 months rego, and 3 year WoF?

OR $3,000 + $500 + ($250x4) = $4,500

Be careful what you wish for. I prefer costs are clearly broken down and my options explained to me. Lets me decide what I want to do. I don't like all inclusive pricing.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I did just that when I couldn't understand how the on road "COSTS" were $580 for a 400cc motorcycle.

I asked:
Hi,
$580? is that for 12 months? NZTA lists it as $471.78
and this is what I got back:
The $580 is made up of 6 months registration, WOF, fuel and also internal freight within NZ.

Lets look at that a bit. 6 Months rego is $271.09. 17 litres of fuel $34 (at the time) wof $35. Internal freight they can get stuffed, Noel Leeming don't charge me for getting the fridge to their shop FFS. so we have 340.09 that's 239.91 of extra profit on the "on road costs"

Not good enough. it is about time that all road vehicles were listed at their drive away price, no exceptions.

remember the bike arrives at the shop in a crate so someone has to uncrate it and do the PDI and maybe some final assembly and so forth. sounds like two hundy right there.

[Jeeper]

Or alternativly you could ask what the unregistered and no servicing price is and get a discount off the "Full Price" You would think under the Fair Trading Act providing the vehicle is not left to run out of fluids oil etc, if anything goes wrong the service should be free under that act.Actually FTA does not talk about regular servicing being responsibility of the seller. Heatpump needs servicing regularly, who pays for that? The buyer. FTA covers manufacturing defects, not routine servicing.

Using the incorrect specification fluids can also cause damage too. Simply implying that running out of oil is buyers responsibility but any other engine damage from using wrong oil type is somehow sellers responsibility is irrational. You have obviously never run or worked at a commercial business.

[McJim]

Even most second hand bikes are being sold "Excluding On-Road Costs". A new feature thanks to the ACC hike on registration. I had to fork out a few hundred bucks to put a 20 year old bike on the road last month. Servicing? Yeah well it needed new fork seals, new hydraulic fluid and new cam belts. So servicing cost a few bob too.

But I'm ENJOYING the bike now and not WORRYING and you can't put a price on that shit.

[Jeeper]

The bike shop I bought from years ago did offer free servicing with the only charge being for oil and filter. So it can be done and if you want to negotiate it, the time of sale is the time to do it and get it in writing. All the new car dealers would be broke if it was not feasabile as you say to do.A bike costs $3,000. A car likely to be $30,000. For whom do you think it would be easier to absorb the cost of oil and filter (say $100), the bike dealer or the car dealer? You are now officially the dumbest thing I have ever across in my entire life. Even the movie characters from Dumb and Dumber look smarter than you, if can't work out relative costs and margin percentages.

[AllanB]

Fucks sake you lot. Pack of little bitches, bitch bitch bitchin about a shop making a living. Don't like it shop around.


The main worry I have after successful negotiations with the shop for a motorcycle is hiding my 'new bike' boner. Is there anything better than a new bike boner?

[AllanB]

The bike shop I bought from years ago did offer free servicing with the only charge being for oil and filter. So it can be done and if you want to negotiate it, the time of sale is the time to do it and get it in writing. All the new car dealers would be broke if it was not feasabile as you say to do.

1982?

In 2007, Honda NZ had parts only cost on the first service. Oil and filter cost only. It was a Honda thing then. Don't know if they still offer this.

But seriously that's not enough to stop buying that Suzuki, Triumph, whatever and rush off to your Honda dealer. Unless you are a incredible tight arse. And if your arse is that tight why are you buying a Honda?

[T.W.R]

When I was at Kawasaki we used to do 1st service free and then charge accordingly there after on new bikes and 1st service free by arrangement/negotiation on 2nd hand bikes. Mostly as a deal sealer on the 2nd hand bikes to encourage business etc (totally in house decision) and the new bikes it was part of the normal.
Wasn't any skin off our nose to do this for clients as the 1st service wasn't that much of an undertaking and ensured that the bike was torqued up properly after the initial bed-in period and then for there-on in anything that went wrong etc could only be due to the owner or a major failure (which minimised undue or misaligned warranty claims). Doing it on 2nd hand bikes was more a courtesy thing to hopefully promote more business, which it usually did.

The cost of filters and oil aren't anywhere near what you'd think for 1st service charges, they're charged to the service dept at cost to the company which is a shitload below the over the counter price & reimbursed by the parent company ;)

As of recent having been dealing with agricultural machinery, mainly CASE tractors I know for a fact that even for all new tractors the 1st service is 100% free but from there on in the costs increase dramatically But as a standard service for a 140hp tractor was roughly $3500 and a top to bottom major could easily exceed $5000 and go see the bank manager if you had anything like a STX Quadtrak (sent $15k of stock to a STX450 service on one occasion and regularly sent thousands of dollars worth of oil & filters to the USAR STXs in Antarctica) . Stock run of the mill 1st service though usually had a change of oil & a couple of filters.....maybe $250-$500 depending on what filters were required and the technicians hourly rate was soaked up by the business and charged through to CNH and at $120+ per hr and was secure money

[Crasherfromwayback]

Some business owners can not be very bright then if they decide to stock a product with hardly any profit margin.

You're beyond stupid. Do you thing a Suzuki dealership should not stock UZ50 scooters because they have basically no margin in them? Think about it before you bother to answer.

[Crasherfromwayback]

You are the one without an ability to think if you think shops should be stocking products with no profit margin. If you think about it that may be the reason why so many bike shops have gone broke over the years as they have put their love of bikes above economic reality. You are the beyond stupid one and if you own a bike shop I dont see you lasting much longer with the product purchasing decisions you make. Did you know wholesalers themselves do not import all the models a manufacturer makes for the simple reason they see no profit in certain models otherwise they would import the lot now wouldnt they just think about it????

I'm actually surprised you can remember to breath. It's a pity you can, you're such a waste of space. Here's a lil bit of help for you though. Maybe, just maybe, in selling a UZ50, the dealer gets to sell them some riding gear (which might just have some profit margin in it), get a new customer that gets their new UZ50 serviced with them, and may even tell a friend about the good service at the shop...that also goes through the motions. Then, one day, those same people may even buy a bigger bike or scooter.

But, I did tell you to give it some thought before your answered. Just shows how thick you are. You're that fucking simple, none of that occurred to you. I sure hope you don't breed.

[eldog]

The bike shop I bought from years ago did offer free servicing with the only charge being for oil and filter. So it can be done and if you want to negotiate it, the time of sale is the time to do it and get it in writing. All the new car dealers would be broke if it was not feasabile as you say to do.

Did you get the same deal with your latest bike?

Your paying for it somehow.

Some new cars have very good free service deals. But your paying for it up front. Can be a deal breaker.

More difficult in the very competitive small NZ motorbike market

[eldog]

You are the one without an ability to think if you think shops should be stocking products with no profit margin. If you think about it that may be the reason why so many bike shops have gone broke over the years as they have put their love of bikes above economic reality. You are the beyond stupid one and if you own a bike shop I dont see you lasting much longer with the product purchasing decisions you make. Did you know wholesalers themselves do not import all the models a manufacturer makes for the simple reason they see no profit in certain models otherwise they would import the lot now wouldnt they just think about it????

Obviously never ran a business in little ol NZ

[Crasherfromwayback]

When I go to the supermarket I only buy discounted and loss leading products mostly so they
make very little out of me. I bet if everyone only bought loss leading products supermarkets would not survive
either.

You sound like such a fun person to be around.

[Crasherfromwayback]

just think about it?

Bit rich coming from you.

[Voltaire]

I am on a low income and I bet if you were you would buy mostly at bargain or loss leading prices too
just think about it?

Apparently you can get some bargains for $20 in ChCh just by being out walking your dog.:innocent:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11928207

Also opportunity to increase your income:eek5:

[YellowDog]

I import vehicles and I really don't think it costs that much at all.

Ask for an itemised bill to explain the cost ?

[Mike.Gayner]

Could you guys please not derail every single thread by insisting on arguing with this troll? Just ignore the troll, stop engaging.

[scott411]

the simple fact is the distributor sets the RRP price, without any rego/WOF costs, ,

each dealer sets its price for on road coats, some include the freight charges some distributors charge and assembly cost, some only incl the rego and WOF fees,

if you want the bike, ring around and find who will do you the best ride away price, if it is on a promotional pricing, dont expect much discount, as the dealer will be funding some of the deal by way of reduced margin, and there will be limited units at that price,

and your right Crasher, there is no money in selling cheap scooters, as it normally takes the same amount of time or more, than selling a 12-20K road bike, which you do make a decent $$ value off,

as for assembly costs, you can not assemble the bike yourself, as it has to pass the factory PDI check, and be signed off in the LTSA System, with the bike shop and mechanic registered

[Woodman]

I am on a low income and I bet if you were you would buy mostly at bargain or loss leading prices too
just think about it?

But you stated above that you only purchased loss leading products so the supermarkets don't make money from you, not because you were on a low income. Make your mind up, or are you just making shit up again?

[jasonu]

Could you guys please not derail every single thread by insisting on arguing with this troll? Just ignore the troll, stop engaging.

It makes an otherwise dull thread worth following for a bit.

[eldog]

Could you guys please not derail every single thread by insisting on arguing with this troll? Just ignore the troll, stop engaging.

My $0.02 worth
Brought my first bike from dealer.
Not altogether bad experience but now I am better informed. I knew nothing about mbikes before I brought.

The on road costs where mostly basic to understand.
Yes I would ask for what can be provided on first service for piece of mind.

Having asked for registration to be delayed till After new year. I made a deposit at Xmas. Then found out it had been registered in December. Next time no deposit.

Picked up bike then found it was old stock. This wasn't explained at time of purchase. It wouldn't have stopped me buying it. But nice to know.

My biggest bug bear was the short service interval and how much that was going to cost. I wish I had looked into that more. Caveat emptor I guess.

If i was doing it again. I would be nice to be informed about options.

Overall the on road costs were small compared to cost of ownership.

Check out the service intervals and approx cost. Most dealers have a table you can look at.
Them the breaks.

[AllanB]

Apart from an annual oil change which I do myself I dont bother with service intervals as I only do 2-3000k a year.

Doh - that is a service interval - read any motorcycle handbook and it will have Km service periods or annually - whichever comes first.

[GazzaH]

Who farted?

[eldog]

But in reality what can wear out if a bike is ridden far less than the km service interval?

some poster said best to open the operators manual and see what the service intervals and what they replace

some are time dependant some are km

you need to read and udestand.

obvious for those who take the time.

[FJRider]

But in reality what can wear out if a bike is ridden far less than the km service interval?

Are you aware of what actually gets replaced during a service ... (and WHY it needs replaced) .. ??? :confused:

You needed to ask ... so obviously not ... <_<

[rastuscat]

But in reality what can wear out if a bike is ridden far less than the km service interval?

Brake fluid. Clutch fluid. Seals. All age with time, and can start to fail even if not used at all.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Who farted?

Cassina's mouth.

Again.

[Voltaire]

Apart from an annual oil change which I do myself I dont bother with service intervals as I only do 2-3000k a year. The WOF check will pick up if anything else needs doing that I dont pick up myself anyway. There is a saying that if it aint broke dont fix it which I go by. I am aware my resale value may end up less but I buy bikes now to keep rather than trade in for the latest model every 2 or 3 years.

Ride more type less.

[AllanB]

You never hear of crashes though due to fluids getting old as opposed to getting to below the minimum level line. Seals (fork) are checked at WOF time as far as I know.

Brake lines perish with age. Bet there have been some shit-ya-pants moments due to failing brake lines.

[FJRider]

Brake lines perish with age. Bet there have been some shit-ya-pants moments due to failing brake lines.

Have you seen (experienced) what happens when the brake fluid gets "a bit low" .. ??? :shifty:

[FJRider]

... my resale value may end up less

You intend selling yourself ... ??? you better have big tit's ... because you only have a small brain. Post a pic of your tits ... and we'll suggest a price.

[AllanB]

Have you seen (experienced) what happens when the brake fluid gets "a bit low" .. ??? :shifty:

Cassina says no one ever died from that. So it can't hurt right?

I watched this video on Youtube of a guy who ran out of brake fluid but had a can of CRC and used that instead of brake fluid and the brakes became better than a Moto GP bike and then a dog ran out in front of his motorcycle but he was riding on the center-line so had the opportunity to avoid the dog but a campervan was coming around the corner on the wrong side of the road so he laid the bike on it's side and slid under the campervan hit a rock that had fallen off the back of a 1972 Skoda ute which oddly caused the bike to flip upright and he carried on without a issue but it turned out he was on the wrong side of the road but had been to a riding instructor the week before so just knew if he rode defensively he would be be fine and everyone coming towards him got the message and drove on the other side of the road and overnight this became the normal side to drive on and they named the country the USA and then produced a cruiser motorcycle that was more suitable for earthquake damaged roads than a sport bike that makes you try to keep up with the pack and die.

Now I need to take a breath .....

[Racing Dave]

Well you would loose your stopping ability I would assume.


It's "lose", you fool.

[rastuscat]

It's "lose", you fool.

More appropriately, looser.