It's Always Someone Else's Fault [Archive]

James Deuce

18th October 2017, 14:39

None of us have confidence in other drivers.

But we all think we are better than everyone else.

Imagine that.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/98002467/more-than-70-per-cent-of-kiwi-drivers-have-no-confidence-in-other-drivers-third-feel-unsafe-on-road

No "we" don't. I know I can do and be better. But I definitely do not trust a single other road user. Ever. People are unreliable bastards.

Old Steve

18th October 2017, 14:41

When riding my bike I have every confidence that that idiot in the centre lane will suddenly need to exit the motorway at THIS exit, and will haul all the way across from the centre lane to the exit without looking if there is any traffic in the way, or even a gap in which to move through.

caspernz

18th October 2017, 15:03

If only I were permitted to share the Drivecam captures from our DG truck fleet...our guys see plenty of dumb moves by other road users, whilst being at fault in a tiny amount of incidents themselves.

So I watched a chap approach a cross roads recently, car waiting to turn right across the main road we were all on. He didn't adjust his speed at all, so when the car pulled out in front of him he ended up T-boning it. Not only that, the two following vehicles were in the "under 1 second following distance" window, so ended up rear ending in a group of three. So while the initial accident was caused by the car pulling across the main road, had car 2 and 3 on the main been sitting back just a bit more, it would have been a 2 car prang only instead of a 4 car mess. The group involved in this prang all overtook me with some gusto on the previous passing lane, with me just shaking my head at the following distances they had then, not to mention the aggro displayed by each just wanting to be in front of the other. Then mere minutes later they all met, literally by accident.

Maybe the answer is 5 year driver license renewal. Then add traffic school for infringements, maybe we can make some progress on the ever declining standard?

jasonu

18th October 2017, 15:06

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11934312

oldiebutagoody

18th October 2017, 16:34

I treat everyone else on the road as an idiot and drive/ride accordingly. I am rarely disappointed. I include myself in this too, just not to seem hypocritical.

Driving by those encountered on the road has got worse/riskier since I first got behind the wheel in the early 1970's. A slow but noticeable slide in not only courtesy but also judgement. Cars just didn't go that fast way back, and were built out of great hunks of steel. I don't say the cars were safer then, they just took longer to get moving and wind up speed.......so general momentum was less even though mass was more overall. One had to think about everything in advance, like overtaking, balancing the chassis for cornering, pulling out of intersections into moving traffic from stopped, pulling over onto the shoulder, braking distances/following distances (because brakes and tyres were not as good as today). It all took pre thinking, but you had time, unlike driving today where cars react quicker and pressure of traffic is quite intense (think rude obnoxious get-outa-my-way types).

The great technological advance in cars has lulled us into false sense of security (just like having insurance makes you and your car bulletproof) and how to drive has been dumbed down. Think of all the acronyms used in a car now in the safety systems....ABS etc. Crumple zones, airbags, traction control, gazillion horsepower .......(by comparison anyway). Passenger side airbags back then were called the mother in law.

Bring back the morris oxford/austin cambridge I say. Lets see you speed in that! Or two years driving one as punishment for 100 demerit points.

Akzle

18th October 2017, 17:10

Maybe the answer is 5 year driver license renewal. Then add traffic school for infringements, maybe we can make some progress on the ever declining standard?
vote akzle.
except for the license thing. i'm scrapping that horseshit.

None of us have confidence in other drivers.

But we all think we are better than everyone else.

Imagine that.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/98002467/more-than-70-per-cent-of-kiwi-drivers-have-no-confidence-in-other-drivers-third-feel-unsafe-on-road

site says "kiwis..."
shows picture of townies....

Woodman

18th October 2017, 17:19

In reality we all put some degree of trust in other motorists otherwise we would not ride bikes. We never know how far away they will be from us when they screw up although some on here believe they will always have time to avoid them.

There you go making shit up again. Can you please quote the posts where 'some on here" have said this. I bet you can't.

James Deuce

18th October 2017, 17:21

There you go making shit up again. Can you please quote the posts where 'some on here" have said this. I bet you can't.
Can't and won't. I'm firmly convinced it's an NZTA bot.

Akzle

18th October 2017, 17:39

In reality...

citation required. upon the given evidence you're not acquainted with the thing you just said.

Woodman

18th October 2017, 17:44

Can't and won't. I'm firmly convinced it's an NZTA bot.

We all know it can't. Thats the funny part. Its delusions are incredible. There is and never has been anyone on here that has stated the claims it constantly brings up were stated.

flashg

18th October 2017, 17:56

Can't and won't. I'm firmly convinced it's an NZTA bot.NZTA wouldn't use something so fucken stupid.

GazzaH

18th October 2017, 18:09

https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/84123-monty-python-burn-the-witch-gi-ezmu.gif

Scuba_Steve

18th October 2017, 18:40

But we all think we are better than everyone else.

Hey I know I'm better than alot out there, there's some proof to that in the fact I'm still alive given the inherently dangerous vehicles I choose to ride/drive.
However that doesn't mean I think I'm the best or there's no room for improvement but come-on I know you've seen the level of incompetence out there! If you ride a bike there's a decent chance you're better than most of that primarily through necessity

Maybe the answer is 5 year driver license renewal. Then add traffic school for infringements, maybe we can make some progress on the ever declining standard?
You really need your ID updated that often?

NZTA wouldn't use something so fucken stupid.
Maybee you haven't been following NZTA's doings

rastuscat

18th October 2017, 18:50

awayatc

19th October 2017, 06:17

I'll vote Azkill if he insists on people having to ride a bike for a year before they drive a car or truck.

Back in the day ...Maybe still now.?
in a lot/most maybe all European countries you were allowed to ride a moped/ 50cc bike at 16 years of age.

And go to car driving school at 18....

I know I can always improve on everything I do and know.
Including (especially...) my riding/driving.

I have managed to stay accident free for over 40 now and counting....
And yes I did attend motorcycle courses....
As recent as last year
And plan to do so again...
Coz I still stuff up at times...

Akzle

19th October 2017, 07:11

I'll vote Azkill if he insists on people having to ride a bike for a year before they drive a car or truck.

The feeling of human frailty arising from riding a bike eould help people be more careful.

Unless they dress like Valentino, ride a Fireblade or a Hayabusa and win the Akaroa GP every weekend. Coz that'll make them feel invincible.

i'm sure i've been over this before.
everyone loses their license tomorow. then you go and get a learners, then you have 2 years to develop competency on a horse, scooter, motorbike, car, artic, tractor, forkhoist, locomotive, street luge and landyacht.
Then pass your full license by sitting test-modules on each of the above.
Most of the road rules will be scrapped, and the penalties for the remainder will range from public flogging to being shot in the face and/or having the vehicle you're in crushed on the spot (except horses, they get shot too)

James Deuce

19th October 2017, 08:14

(except horses, they get shot too)
I can see a huge uptake in French cuisine just around the corner.

Akzle

19th October 2017, 09:08

I can see a huge uptake in French cuisine just around the corner.

samoans bro

Akzle

19th October 2017, 09:10

I would have thought with 40 years of riding you would be able to work out yourself what has gone wrong when you "stuff up" without needing to go to riding school to find out what you did wrong. If occasionally I "stuff up" its maybe going too fast which reduces my time to brake or swerve should shit happen. I dont need a riding school to tell me that but from what you have said not everyone has the ability to "self analyse" their stuff ups. Its the "stuff ups" of others that are the biggest danger though and they are uncontrollable by us.

http://www.swimnc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/broken-record.jpg

seriousliy dude. just fucking die already.

Scuba_Steve

19th October 2017, 14:32

i'm sure i've been over this before.
everyone loses their license tomorow. then you go and get a learners, then you have 2 years to develop competency on a horse, scooter, motorbike, car, artic, tractor, forkhoist, locomotive, street luge and landyacht.
Then pass your full license by sitting test-modules on each of the above.
Most of the road rules will be scrapped, and the penalties for the remainder will range from public flogging to being shot in the face and/or having the vehicle you're in crushed on the spot (except horses, they get shot too)

You looking to ban Trucks? The Buses I can do without, waste of fucking space they are, but I likes Trucks

awayatc

19th October 2017, 16:45

I would have thought with 40 years of riding you would be able to work out yourself what has gone wrong when you "stuff up" without needing to go to riding school to find out what you did wrong. If occasionally I "stuff up" its maybe going too fast which reduces my time to brake or swerve should shit happen. I dont need a riding school to tell me that but from what you have said not everyone has the ability to "self analyse" their stuff ups. Its the "stuff ups" of others that are the biggest danger though and they are uncontrollable by us.

Please do yourself a favour .....

Never meet me in real life.

Casino....place where one can gamble his money
Cassina. ..person that gambles her and anybody else's life every time she ventures in the open

Akzle

19th October 2017, 16:52

You looking to ban Trucks? The Buses I can do without, waste of fucking space they are, but I likes Trucks

not banned. minimised. through intelligent use of distribution networks.
ideally the only people using the roads will be professional or f*cking good drivers.

suvs might be banned. and women.

GazzaH

19th October 2017, 18:30

in a lot/most maybe all European countries you were allowed to ride a moped/ 50cc bike at 16 years of age.

And go to car driving school at 18...

Interesting point. Rather than forcing people to ride on 2 wheels, make it an attractive option.

Reducing the fees would help.

Emphasizing more effective utilization of road and parking spaces would help.

Promoting their fuel efficiency would be good too.

Anything really to persuade people to give it a go, and learn just how vulnerable we are in relation to cagers, buses and trucks.

awayatc

19th October 2017, 19:35

Definitely makes you a better driver....
Having started out being so vulnerable.....

James Deuce

19th October 2017, 20:17

Promoting their fuel efficiency would be good too.

Anyone who thinks that hasn't been tracking their fuel usage.

Graystone

19th October 2017, 21:22

Anyone who thinks that hasn't been tracking their fuel usage.

Or does not have a small, super-economical car to compare against. The spectrum of both bike's and car's fuel economies is so vast there is a large overlap, a fuel-smart choice in either category will do far more for the fuel bill than simple picky by the category. Still, if you enjoy driving/riding, and want the most fun per liter, the choice is bikes every time.

James Deuce

19th October 2017, 21:39

Or does not have a small, super-economical car to compare against. The spectrum of both bike's and car's fuel economies is so vast there is a large overlap, a fuel-smart choice in either category will do far more for the fuel bill than simple picky by the category. Still, if you enjoy driving/riding, and want the most fun per liter, the choice is bikes every time.
Bikes use more gas than they should and they pollute far worse than cars. I'm not talking about CO2, I'm talking about the stuff that can't ever be sequestered in any way and is directly linked with health issues and reducing the overall albedo of the planet. There isn't any way to attach the scrubbers, filters air injection systems and catalytic convertors to a bike that go on a very average car these days.

Most cars today have what my Dad would have thought of as small engines. 1400-2000cc normally aspirated or low pressure turbo-charged engines with a specific power output and torque figures that should shame American V8 manufacturers into giving up altogether, with a few notable exceptions. I sold the XJR1300 because I couldn't get my head around how thirsty it was. 21 litre tank and lucky to get 200kms out of it. Meanwhile my 1300cc car was doing 600km on 45 litres. I have a much more modern 1400cc DOHC VVT 16valve car now and it's roughly as economical as the old Kent-engined Ford Ka was. That's witchcraft in my book. Meanwhile the Versys gets about what the Fiat Punto does in terms of fuel economy. With less than half the engine capacity. The Punto isn't class leading economical either. An 1800cc Toyota Corolla has better fuel efficiency. But is fucking awful to drive in comparison.

Murray

19th October 2017, 22:06

Bikes use more gas than they should and they pollute far worse than cars. I'm not talking about CO2, I'm talking about the stuff that can't ever be sequestered in any way and is directly linked with health issues and reducing the overall albedo of the planet. There isn't any way to attach the scrubbers, filters air injection systems and catalytic convertors to a bike that go on a very average car these days.

So maybe Auckland should place a law against them so the latte sippers sipping on their cafe pavement chairs don't get 2nd hand exhaust?

James Deuce

19th October 2017, 22:08

So maybe Auckland should place a law against them so the latte sippers sipping on their cafe pavement chairs don't get 2nd hand exhaust?
It's a big leap from pointing out that bike emissions aren't as clean as motorcyclists think they are to implying that I live in Auckland.

Just saying.

Still a shit of a thing to accuse any right-thinking person of.

GrayWolf

19th October 2017, 23:07

Bikes use more gas than they should and they pollute far worse than cars. I'm not talking about CO2, I'm talking about the stuff that can't ever be sequestered in any way and is directly linked with health issues and reducing the overall albedo of the planet. There isn't any way to attach the scrubbers, filters air injection systems and catalytic convertors to a bike that go on a very average car these days.

AIS is coming for bikes, with the Euro Emission bullshit continuing. The new generation of Spyder's have AIS fitted, if it can now be fitted under their bodywork, it won't be long until 'micro systems' are developed.

Brian d marge

20th October 2017, 01:10

None of us have confidence in other drivers.

But we all think we are better than everyone else.

Imagine that.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/98002467/more-than-70-per-cent-of-kiwi-drivers-have-no-confidence-in-other-drivers-third-feel-unsafe-on-roadWell it's always your fault I get pinged ..weren't for u lot I wouldn't have to pay do much.

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jafagsx250

20th October 2017, 08:41

Anyone who thinks that hasn't been tracking their fuel usage.
My hyosung gets 350 kilometers to 20 bucks. 11 odd litres depending depending on he price. Seems pretty good in my books. 3 5 litres to 100 km I think.

But as you said they can't really clean up bikes as easily with all of the packaging issues.

rastuscat

20th October 2017, 10:37

A 125cc 2-stroke emits less carbon than a 3.8 litre Commodore. It's just that it's visible vapour.

Remember that not all emissions are visible. Just because something has no visible vapour doesn't mean it's clean.

Navy Boy

20th October 2017, 10:42

Here's an interesting article on this topic. Yes it's using 2 cars for comparison but the principle is very much the same.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-41640746

Motorcycles and their emissions relative to other forms of transport is a can of worms which will very soon be opened I reckon.

jasonu

20th October 2017, 10:44

pete376403

20th October 2017, 20:39

AIS is coming for bikes, with the Euro Emission bullshit continuing. The new generation of Spyder's have AIS fitted, if it can now be fitted under their bodywork, it won't be long until 'micro systems' are developed.

Gen II KLR650s (2008 onward) have an AIS system that bleeds fresh air into the exhaust port. I'm guessing the extra heat in the exhaust pipe as a result of this external combustion was the reason they went to a stainless steel header pipe where the previous models had a plain steel header.