Police motorcycle Safety vid.

[nzspokes]

Cassina will hate this.

https://www.facebook.com/AucklandDistrictPolice/videos/1125768004192870/

[caspernz]

I like that video, one basic step of Roadcraft at a time :niceone:

[nzspokes]

I like that video, one basic step of Roadcraft at a time :niceone:

Yeah, I thought they did a great job of it.

[caspernz]

Yeah, I thought they did a great job of it.

Reckon the SSV angle needs to be covered as part of positioning, or it will lead the uninitiated into trouble.

[nzspokes]

Reckon the SSV angle needs to be covered as part of positioning, or it will lead the uninitiated into trouble.

When you have 30 seconds for an ad, guess you fit in what you can.

[caspernz]

When you have 30 seconds for an ad, guess you fit in what you can.

Fair enough, and it's a good start for many.

[rastuscat]

Road Craft taught 1 minute at a time. So even the thick amongst us can absorb it.

[AllanB]

All I heard was roll on the throttle ...........


Not a bad effort really. Whats next?

[nzspokes]

All I heard was roll on the throttle ...........


Not a bad effort really. Whats next?

How to keep up on a group ride.............

[Berries]

Whats next?
Teaching your grannie to suck eggs.

[jellywrestler]

Road Craft taught 1 minute at a time. So even the thick amongst us can absorb it.

did they forget the two second rule or something?

[Cosmik de Bris]

did they forget the two second rule or something?

That's for when you drop food on the floor.

Cheers

[nzspokes]

I read the coments and there was one that said there should be no black and white rule about cornering lines which I would agree with as the road surface and traffic density can throw out theoretical riding/police school lines as being correct/safe. Such safety videos would be better done on more technically challening roads like the Akaroa hill road with a lot of traffic being present as well.

This is where you show you dont know shit.

[caspernz]

I read the coments and there was one that said there should be no black and white rule about cornering lines which I would agree with as the road surface and traffic density can throw out theoretical riding/police school lines as being correct/safe. Such safety videos would be better done on more technically challening roads like the Akaroa hill road with a lot of traffic being present as well.

Oh how cute. Positioning for a curve is flexible, as it takes in the variables seen up ahead. The only thing rigid is your calcified way of thinking, so feel free to sod off and stop proffering your garbage :brick::killingme:rolleyes:

[caspernz]

Oh and Akzle said you're a fuckwit :innocent:

[caspernz]

So if you vary your position for differing bends you are no longer sticking to the police or riding school taught lines though. Maybe the lines shown in that video should only be taken on gentle bends with no traffic coming the other way then which should have been stated in the video don't you think?

Oh I think all the time, try it for yourself, you might even come up with a new thought...

Police or riding school stuff is generally called Roadcraft, and part of positioning uses the SSV approach. It stands for Safety, Stability and View. This is where the flexibility comes from, and yep it's part of the formal syllabus. Go along to a riding school that uses Roadcraft, who knows, you might even learn something. But until then, keep quiet when the grown-ups are discussing stuff you've proven you can't wrap your head around :facepalm::innocent::shutup:

[Blackbird]

Oh I think all the time, try it for yourself, you might even come up a new thought...

Police or riding school stuff is generally called Roadcraft, and part of positioning uses the SSV approach. It stands for Safety, Stability and View. This is where the flexibility comes from, and yep it's part of the formal syllabus. Go along to a riding school that uses Roadcraft, who knows, you might even learn something. But until then, keep quiet when the grown-ups are discussing stuff you've proven you can't wrap your head around :facepalm::innocent::shutup:

Haha haha - that was almost verbatim with respect to what I was going to write! Then I wondered what I was doing responding to a complete cock who will never change so went and had a gin and tonic instead. Feel so much better for that :laugh:. I'd recommend you do the same right now Rob - good for your blood pressure :yes:

[GazzaH]

I'm ahead of you's both. Got the Metaxa glow.

[Blackbird]

I'm ahead of you's both. Got the Metaxa glow.

That's the story :Punk:

[YellowDog]

I'd rarely take those lines myself, however I still think it is a good video for new riders to follow. Many accidents occur because the inexperienced riders corner too early and then have to correct mid-bend. Ending up on the wrong side of the road or in the ditch is best avoided and teaching such basics has to be a good thing.

[FJRider]

Such safety videos would be better done on more technically challening roads like the Akaroa hill road with a lot of traffic being present as well.

The only thing "technically challenging" about the Akaroa hill road ... is dealing with the muppets that cant keep on their side of the road.

[AllanB]

There are now other posters that say on here that going to riding school is no guarantee you will never crash

Ah - there are NO guarantees riding or driving on our roads. However a riding school, and associated tips gained during the school may just stop you from being a casualty.

It's as simple as that.

I've not personally done one (yet) but Rastacats recent post on following distances made me think about my own riding/driving and I have changed my following distances as a result. Thus reducing my 'potential' to crash.

[Berries]

Some of us can actually corner without having to go to riding school and you now say riding school teaches flexibility which is not what the Police video was about though which a commentator to the video also pointed out. There are now other posters that say on here that going to riding school is no guarantee you will never crash did you know and from my crash experiences it would not have saved me.
You fucking idiot. Nobody has ever said that going to riding school means you will never crash. Ever.

And as for cornering, weren't you the twat talking about putting your feet down to get round tight corners?

[FJRider]

And this can mean making a departure from the lines in the Police video and what is taught in riding schools.

If YOU stick to the ADVISED speed limit on the corners ... what could possibly go wrong ... ???

How can you lecture on the lines riding schools teach ... if you haven't been to one .. ???

Question ... Do riding schools teach "Lines to take in corners" ... or safe cornering methods. Or are they the same thing ... ???

[Viking01]

I focus on cornering safely without focusing on any particular riding school or Police lines. I may very well do a police line on some corners but it is not something I would feel any better about than any other line I would take.

I personally don't care what line you choose to take through a corner, as long
as you don't try to give advice (as in post #30) to other riders.

Let me ask you:

Do you actually feel that you contribute anything worthwhile to the discussion
on these threads ( given the amount of push-back you regularly get from other
posters) ?

I can't honestly see why you bother to comment. Other than to give your personal
misconceptions a regular airing.

[nzspokes]

Some of us can actually corner without having to go to riding school

Several dogs and the odd goat show you cant.

[awayatc]

And this can mean making a departure from the lines in the Police video and what is taught in riding schools.

You are a fuckwit

[Woodman]

Some of us can actually corner without having to go to riding school and you now say riding school teaches flexibility which is not what the Police video was about though which a commentator to the video also pointed out. There are now other posters that say on here that going to riding school is no guarantee you will never crash did you know and from my crash experiences it would not have saved me.

You are a fuckwit....

[caspernz]

Haha haha - that was almost verbatim with respect to what I was going to write! Then I wondered what I was doing responding to a complete cock who will never change so went and had a gin and tonic instead. Feel so much better for that :laugh:. I'd recommend you do the same right now Rob - good for your blood pressure :yes:

Haha, no worries about my blood pressure my good man. Just can't leave stupid alone to keep posting stupid stuff...so occasionally I have to fire back a bit. Shame it's not the old 20mm Gattling at full noise :clap::rolleyes:


I'm ahead of you's both. Got the Metaxa glow.

Nice one. But talking to a brain dead muppet doesn't encourage me to drink. Will save that until I get home from my last rostered shift.


Oh and cassina, Akzle said you're a fuckwit. You've yet to say anything that disproves the assertion. :baby::tugger::rolleyes::Oi::brick::motu::oi-grr::nya:

[Berries]

I wouldn't know, have never been to riding school.


Many on here find my posts very worthwhile otherwise they would not waste their time replying.
Idiot.

[Woodman]

Many on here find my posts very worthwhile otherwise they would not waste their time replying. Thats the whole idea of discussion forums to give personal opinion and if you dont like my personal opinion why waste your time replying to me too? There are other posters on here who feel all those who reply to me are no better than me to put it politely.

just when i thought you couldn't get more stupid........

[nzspokes]

About putting my foot down I actaully said that in response to another poster on here that said that. It beats dropping your bike in certain situations but I imagine for you if it is not taught in riding school its either dangerous or impossible eh!!

Sounds like a fucking good way to smash your ankle to pieces. Thats retarded riding.

[Viking01]

Many on here find my posts very worthwhile otherwise they would not waste their time replying. Thats the whole idea of discussion forums to give personal opinion and if you dont like my personal opinion why waste your time replying to me too? There are other posters on here who feel all those who reply to me are no better than me to put it politely.

Well, that saved me going to the "Jokes" section for a dose of humour.

A rely to some of the points in your latest reply:

1. "Many on here find my posts very worthwhile"

Really ? What's the weather like on your planet today ?

Just for once, point us to a few examples to illustrate your assertion.
I must have missed those threads and posts. They'll be a treat to read.

2. "Otherwise, why would they waste their time replying"?

The reason they reply is because they often do not agree with your point
of view, and find some of your suggestions either misleading or in some
cases slightly dangerous.

I know I'm not the only one to feel that way. Taking a quick look back
through this thread alone easily confirms that view.

3. "If you don't like my personal opinion, why waste your time replying to me?"

As to 'why reply', read the response to point (2) above.

4. "There are other posters on here who feel all those who reply to me
are no better than me".

I hate to burst your bubble, but there are probably many on KB who have
replied to you in the past, and are more knowledgeable and accomplished
motorcyclists than you. And whose opinion I would far more readily choose
to listen to.


Just to illustrate why people take you to task, why don't you re-read one
of your earlier posts (#30) in this thread on the topic of riding lines through
corners. And reflect on what you actually wrote.

Quote:
"I focus on cornering safely without focusing on any particular [ riding
school or Police ] lines. I may very well do a Police line on some corners,
but it is not something I would feel any better about than any other line
I would take".


The above is from some-one who has openly admitted to not having any
rider training or done any formal rider training courses, yet who continues
to belittle parties offering rider training courses.

What the above tells me is that you simply don't know what riding lines
you use through corners. And that you don't actually care enough to find
out which ones you should use (even for your own safety sake).

Yet, had you chosen to do some minimal rider training, you would probably
have learned the reasons for riding specific lines through corners and the
safety benefits they offer.

What puzzles me most is that you seem to treat your lack of training and
knowledge as some kind of "badge of honour". Be assured it isn't.

Ride on.

[caspernz]

Yet, had you chosen to do some minimal rider training, you would probably
have learned the reasons for riding specific lines through corners and the
safety benefits they offer.

What puzzles me most is that you seem to treat your lack of training and
knowledge as some kind of "badge of honour". Be assured it isn't.

Ride on.

The "badge of honour" is from the cassina school of fuckwittery me thinks.

You'd be right Nils, the sole reason I respond to some of the moronic musings from cassina, is simply to refute the utter garbage that he/she splashes across our forum. On a personal level the flow of knee deep excrement bothers me little, but would hate to think a newbie takes some of the utterings at face value and puts themselves in harms way.

To use an example, I had an observed ride recently with a rider who'd been given some dubious advice, was following it in a rigid fashion and thus putting himself in harms way. Once shown the correct technique, the rest of his riding seemed to make significant improvements as well. It merely reinforces that sound coaching works wonders.

Would hate to leave some of cassina level advice unchallenged, lest a newbie not recognise the stench emanating from said advice, and thus be placed in a hospital food environment as a result.

So to quote Akzle, cassina is a fuckwit. Have yet to see anything to refute his assertion, so maybe we should have a poll on this becoming the stock response to any cassina-isms.:laugh::laugh:

[nzspokes]

You ride your riding school lines sport and I will ride my lines Just because you think there is no such thing as being self taught it does not mean everyone else thinks the same way.

Self taught in English clearly is not working for you.

Going by the hundreds of times you have crashed, neither is riding.

You are so far out of your depth in this discussion, it comical.

[Viking01]

You ride your riding school lines sport and I will ride my lines Just because you think there is no such thing as being self taught it does not mean everyone else thinks the same way.

Based on some comments in some of your previous postings, I am probably only
just a few years older than you, so I too started in the "self taught" school.

The difference between us is that despite doing dirt bike and street riding when
young, I realised that I could do a whole lot better. And become a whole lot safer
along the way.

So when I returned to riding in my late 40's, I made sure that I went to a number
of rider training courses to improve both knowledge and technique. Motorcycles
had also changed a little in the interim as well (e.g. better braking and suspension),
so there were a few new things to take onboard.

So by all means, you ride your lines (whatever they are) and I'll ride my lines.

But - leave the rider training schools and IAM alone !

If you're not willing to explore what they have to offer - and try them out - with
some serious intention of improving your riding, then zip your lip !

Over and out.

[caspernz]

The notion of "self taught" and truly proficient at some skill places one in a very small minority.

The majority of folks who wish to be proficient at some skill will need a bit of a hand.

On the basis of the evidence provided to date, cassina may well be "self taught" but far from proficient at the skill of riding a motorcycle.

So therefore one might wish to exercise caution when reading her musings, for it might endanger ones' health. Which is merely a polite way of saying cassina is a fuckwit :rolleyes:

[buggerit]

Many on here find my posts very worthwhile otherwise they would not waste their time replying. Thats the whole idea of discussion forums to give personal opinion and if you dont like my personal opinion why waste your time replying to me too? There are other posters on here who feel all those who reply to me are no better than me to put it politely.

To tell the truth, we actually have a roster to keep you busy so others can sneak out for a ride in safety.:niceone:

[Woodman]

There are other posters on here who feel all those who reply to me are no better than me to put it politely.

Who are these posters? Can you point them out please.

[Woodman]

So if you find my posts unhealthy why do you waste your time reading them fuckwit?

How the fuck would he know if they were unhealthy unless he read them in the first place? Sheesh......:facepalm::facepalm:

[caspernz]

So if you find my posts unhealthy why do you waste your time reading them fuckwit?

Oh you see, there is much you don't understand. You giving blatantly dangerous advice (call it opinion of you wish) is unhealthy for someone who fails to recognise your crap for what it is. That is the sole reason I respond to some of your stunningly stupid musings.

The fact you're dumber than the law should allow has no effect on my blood pressure :laugh::devil2::sleep:

[Graystone]

The difference between you and me is while our ages may be similar I never took a midlife crisis break from riding so i never lost the hang of it like you did and maybe if I had been a MLC returning rider I may very well have gone to riding school too.

We've heard about your riding experiences and techniques, the only reason you never 'lost the hang of it' is because you have never, ever, had anything even slightly resembling 'the hang of it' to begin with.

[eldog]

The difference between you and me is while our ages may be similar I never took a break from riding so i never got the hang of it like you did and maybe if I had, I may very well have gone to riding school too.

fixed it for ya:apint:
and yeah i added punctuation and the posters name, something you can’t get the hang of

[Viking01]

The difference between you and me is while our ages may be similar I never took a midlife crisis break from riding so i never lost the hang of it like you did and maybe if I had been a MLC returning rider I may very well have gone to riding school too.

Ah, this thread just keeps on giving and giving ..... 8-)

Post #49
"You quoted my post but did not read all you quoted and that is I focus on cornering safely
and that means getting my speed right so I dont end up going over the centre line or off
the side of the road. If your riding school lines were so safe then why dont they mark them
on the road then in some sort of non slippery paint like the green they use for cycle lanes?"

So what are you telling me? As long as I get my corner entry speed right, then I can forget
about riding lines into and through the corner (because "I'll be safe") ?

And what's this about painting lines on the road, so that you'll know where to go? Have you
got a limited attention span ? Can't you remember suitable riding lines from corner to corner?


Post #52
"The difference between you and me is while our ages may be similar I never took a midlife
crisis break from riding so i never lost the hang of it like you did and maybe if I had been
a MLC returning rider I may very well have gone to riding school too."

So I suffered a "midlife crisis break"? Ah, What an absolute hoot ! You do have a sense of
humour. I had better share that one with my wife. That's sure to crack a smile.

You have a good evening.

[AllanB]

you would have to do a riding school course before getting a license would you not?

You best idea yet. Car or motorcycle.

I started my daughter off with the driving basics - ie how to operate the car proficiently - then shipped her off to a driving instructor who taught her how to survive. She aced her license, aced her full a year later and comfortably travels between Christchurch and Dunedin.

[nzspokes]

Whats the dangerous advice? I guess you would say that its me saying that its possible to ride a motorcycle safely without going to riding school. The NZTA/Police must agree with me too otherwise you would have to do a riding school course before getting a license would you not?

Guess you have not heard of the CBTA then you retard.

[nzspokes]

No retard I have not heard of it.

And there we have it. Just admitted they have no knowledge of the rider licence system.

[Woodman]

The driving instructor may have taught your daughter how to survive as a result of what she does but there is no guarantee of survival if someone else should screw up close enough to her. That goes for everyone.

Oh is today "national state the obvious day" ?

[trufflebutter]

Oh is today "national state the obvious day" ?

On this site? it's mostly any day between January 1st and December 31st of any year. Just the one nominated day is no where near enough.

[awayatc]

About putting my foot down I actaully said that in response to another poster on here that said that. It beats dropping your bike in certain situations but I imagine for you if it is not taught in riding school its either dangerous or impossible eh!!

You are a fuckwit

[old slider]

As a returning MLC rider I have found this forum extremely valuable with these types of threads, "BUT" I have to admit as a new member it took awhile to sort out those members who actually knew what they were discussing and those who think they knew.

Either way, any discussion that educates us less competent riders and hopefully improves our riding abilities on the road has to be good.

I give a big thank you to those experienced riders who spend the time making sure posts are reasonably accurate and correct.

I had spent many years riding various bikes, raced a bit of speedway on 3 wheels, but admit after close to 25yrs of very little bike riding I did find that it took awhile to feel comfortable back on the road, I don't think that was a bad thing really because it ensured I rode well within my capabilities and maybe my older age has me being more aware of my surroundings, road conditions, other road users etc.

Either way please keep posting the advice and safer riding clips, many of us appreciate it.

[caspernz]

Either way please keep posting the advice and safer riding clips, many of us appreciate it.

The chap who posts under Roadcraft Nottingham on Youtube has some really good stuff, sample below. Yes he coaches Roadcraft, same as some of us in NZ.

https://youtu.be/EBvsaN3Tc9c

[AllanB]

The driving instructor may have taught your daughter how to survive as a result of what she does but there is no guarantee of survival if someone else should screw up close enough to her.

Dick.

There is no guarantee of anything (other than death and taxes) but any driving trainer educates on the importance of awareness of those around you. After all that dog up the road just might run out in front of you .....

[caspernz]

After all that dog up the road just might run out in front of you .....

It will be ok, for the dog will have to pay higher ACC premiums, on account of being at fault :shutup::facepalm::innocent::blink:

[Viking01]

Not a bad video but for myself I would only worry that much about the actual road surface itself if it was wet. I noticed he attacked riding school instructors who hug the centre line on bends which is something I think is taught in NZ from reading some posts on here. I noticed he said to ride on the left side of the lane where there could be a possiblity of a car doing an overtake coming towards you. When I said that I did that on here I was rubbished.

Perhaps you should have limited your reply to "Not a bad video" and
just left it at that. I didn't get any further useful information after that
point.

[AllanB]

Dick yourself. If driving/riding involves going along in a constant state of paranoia that a dog will run out and hit you, you would be better off taking the bus. You sound like you spend so much time looking out for dogs that you could end up being hit by another vehicle in the process. The law of probability would have it you would far more likely be hit by another vehicle so focus most of your attention on them.

Again you miss the most basic of points on this forum. Is English not your first language?

You were wanking on about probabilities again, and I was speaking of situational and environmental awareness - anytime I'm on the road I'm absorbing a shit load around me - other road users, dogs, road conditions, attractive women .....

Buses crash too .........

And I'm more than happy to compare real life crash rates with you as by your own posts I have a shit load of catching up to do to match your record.

[AllanB]

At least if you get taken out by a dog or car that does not give way while lusting after an attractive woman standing on the side of the road your last memory prior to impact will have been a pleasant one.

On this I think most of KB will agree :woohoo:

[eldog]

At least if you get taken out by a dog or car that does not give way while lusting after an attractive woman standing on the side of the road you last memory prior to impact will have been a pleasant one.

would you be that attractive woman?:confused:

[eldog]

There is no guarantee of anything (other than death and taxes) but any driving trainer educates on the importance of awareness of those around you. After all that dog up the road just might run out in front of you .....

or worse it could reverse into you :scratch:

[Viking01]

I have no problem if you found my comments beyond the point you thought was ok were over your head.

You mean:

1. Like the part on the video clip (45-55 sec) where he purposely points out
road conditions to avoid (like broken road surface and badly patched potholes),
but you - with your Pied Piper riding skills - still feel qualified to advise that
"I would only worry that much about the actual road surface itself if it was wet".

As if potholes, broken seal or edgelines are only a hazard in the wet.


2. Like the part where "he attacks riding school instructors who hug the centre
line, which is something I think is taught in NZ".

Where you have no direct knowledge of what is being taught by NZ based riding
instructors, nor have you ever bothered to find out. Where a number of local
training practitioners have advised you (many times) that while you may ride a
path close to the centre line on left hand corners, you should always sacrifice
position for safety.

So, Yes, your comments (just like missiles) went whistling over my head, off
into the distance, destinated to miss the target yet again.

[Murray]

As for riding position did you not read the post a few weeks back when a poster on here said the right wheel track was the safest place to be and it was only after others as well as me rubbished his claim did he decide to change the way he rode.

As usual when you quote "someone said". "others as well", "I read", " It has been said", "on another thread", ' have been told", I saw on a post" etc etc etc no links or quotes provide. Please in future provide quotes or links.

No I am not to lazy to look as you have espoused previously I am advising in the future when you use the above comments show us the info.

Dickhead

[T.W.R]

i have better things to do with my time than to search through old posts just so that i can satisfy non believers in my posts like you dickhead.



ARROGANT DELUSIONAL POS Go spew your poison somewhere else :finger:

[nzspokes]

I have better things to do with my time than to search through old posts just so that I can satisfy non believers in my posts like you Dickhead.

Re-read post #61

[Woodman]

I have better things to do with my time than to search through old posts just so that I can satisfy non believers in my posts like you Dickhead.

The posts don't exist do they? You are making shit up again.......Why do you make shit up?

[Viking01]

I did not offer any advice muppet. If you read my post again I specifically said I did the things I did and never once said that I advise others to do the same!! How well you can handle rough roads is also bike dependend but I did not comment on that fact as it was not discussed in the video.

As for riding position did you not read the post a few weeks back when a poster on here said the right wheel track was the safest place to be and it was only after others as well as me rubbished his claim did he decide to change the way he rode. Had I been the only one to say I though t it was dangerous you can bet he would still be riding in the right wheel tracks only, under a false illusion he was in the safest spot.



1. "I did not offer any advice muppet".


Well, that must surely be a first. Normally, the digital ink on other
people's posts is not even dry before you're offering us your deep
and incisive thoughts.

Muppet ! MUPPET ! Given your distinguished motorcycle crash record,
that comment must surely qualify you for some Pot-Kettle-Black award.

But given that I've been called much worse names before (and in multiple
languages), I'll ignore your minor insult this once.


2. "If you read my post again I specifically said I did the things I did
and never once said that I advise others to do the same!! "


Well, you see, therein lies your problem. All along, I and probably some
other readers have been interpreting some of your words as words of
helpful advice [Advice] as opposed to mere opinion [Opinion].

Perhaps in future, you could help the reader a little by using the afore
mentioned tags in your replies.

At this stage, I think it might be a step too far for you to start using the
[Fact] tag and the [Refer To] tag, but we can review things over time
and see how you progress.

Please be aware that some people on this forum would probably prefer
you just use the [Bullsh**] tag. I'm afraid that you'll just have to put
up with it. We all have our critics.



3. "As for riding position did you not read the post a few weeks back when
a poster on here said the right wheel track was the safest place to be
and it was only after others as well as me rubbished his claim did he
decide to change the way he rode. Had I been the only one to say I thought
it was dangerous you can bet he would still be riding in the right wheel
tracks only, under a false illusion he was in the safest spot".


Can I just point you back to the first part of one of your own posts on
this thread (#82) where you say "I have better things to do with my time
than to search through old posts".

So, when you do find it, please let me know. And then we can all read who
actually said what.

But just to clarify your comment above:
"....only after others as well as me rubbished his claim ...."

were you offering [Advice] or [Opinion] ?

This English language is harder than it looks.

[ellipsis]

...a recurring desire to answer or even acknowledge the posts of this cunt is surely a downward spiral into the grip of insanity...stop...ignore it, shoot it, run it off the road, let your dog play on the road...just stop bringing it back here...

[Woodman]

...a recurring desire to answer or even acknowledge the posts of this cunt is surely a downward spiral into the grip of insanity...stop...ignore it, shoot it, run it off the road, let your dog play on the road...just stop bringing it back here...

You are correct, but it is sorta entertaining in the same way that victorian rich folk used to pay go the the lunatic asylums and watch the inmates as a form of theatre.

In saying hat he/she is getting stale. I will try to ignore her.

[old slider]

The chap who posts under Roadcraft Nottingham on Youtube has some really good stuff, sample below. Yes he coaches Roadcraft, same as some of us in NZ.

https://youtu.be/EBvsaN3Tc9c


Thank you for that link mate, we can never stop learning and improving on our poor often self taught driving- riding habits.

[Viking01]

...a recurring desire to answer or even acknowledge the posts of this cunt is surely a downward spiral into the grip of insanity...stop...ignore it, shoot it, run it off the road, let your dog play on the road...just stop bringing it back here...

OK. Point noted. I'll do my best to refrain from comment.

But to just pick up on a point in your post. Can we just leave
my dog out of the debate?

He's smart. Much much smarter than you know who.

And he's had a damn sight more training than you know who.

And he's not allowed to play on or beside the road. Plus he
knows that he's not allowed to chase vehicles - especially
not motorcycles.

Unfortunately, I've had to tell him about the behaviour of
certain evil motorcyclists.

I've warned him that even if he caught one of them and did
have a jolly good chew, he'd be a sad puppy. That he'd never
get the taste out of his mouth (even after licking his a.....).

I'm fairly sure he's got the message. Which is more than I
can say about you know who.

Cheers

[caspernz]

For the most part, seeing as I've got cassina on my ignore list, I leave her bullshit alone. On occasion though, the comments/advice/opinion that come forth need to be challenged. Just goes to prove that whilst some folk are indeed dumber than the law should allow, they're safe mostly because it's now illegal to shoot them. So the most sage advice I can offer is to utilise the wonderful feature called the ignore list on KB. Shortly followed by simply logging out...:rolleyes:

[Cloggy]

...a recurring desire to answer or even acknowledge the posts of this cunt is surely a downward spiral into the grip of insanity...stop...ignore it, shoot it, run it off the road, let your dog play on the road...just stop bringing it back here...


You are correct, but it is sorta entertaining in the same way that victorian rich folk used to pay go the the lunatic asylums and watch the inmates as a form of theatre.

In saying hat he/she is getting stale. I will try to ignore her.

Entertaining? Yes for sure. I love reading the bollocks that get posted.
But I can't help thinking that Cassina is the one getting the last laugh. She is as someone else put it, probably the biggest troll KB has seen.
She must be trolling, no one could possibly be that stupid.
And she gets her kicks from all the idiots that reply. Me included.

[Graystone]

Entertaining? Yes for sure. I love reading the bollocks that get posted.
But I can't help thinking that Cassina is the one getting the last laugh. She is as someone else put it, probably the biggest troll KB has seen.
She must be trolling, no one could possibly be that stupid.
And she gets her kicks from all the idiots that reply. Me included.

That may be its intent, but do we trust people reading her 'safety' advice will recognise it as the garbage it is, and not take it seriously?

[Berries]

That may be its intent, but do we trust people reading her 'safety' advice will recognise it as the garbage it is, and not take it seriously?
Sorry, but if you take life changing advice from one person on the internet then you are as big an idiot as cassina.

Pretty sure I read that somewhere or saw it on Facebook or overheard it when driving my CAR when slowing down at the end of a passing lane in case a dog was crossing the road while under pressure to do a group overtake.

While praying to Jesus.

[Graystone]

Sorry, but if you take life changing advice from one person on the internet then you are as big an idiot as cassina.

Pretty sure I read that somewhere or saw it on Facebook or overheard it when driving my CAR when slowing down at the end of a passing lane in case a dog was crossing the road while under pressure to do a group overtake.

While praying to Jesus.

Perhaps. But what should the price of such idiocy be?

[Berries]

About the same as using a hair drier in the bath, or using a knife to get your toast out of the machine, patting a lion at the zoo, swimming in a river in the Northern Territory, lubing the chain with the bike in gear and running or polishing your brake discs to clean them up.

Isn't this exactly why the Darwin Awards came into being?

[Viking01]

You take my posts too seriously in terms of the precise terminology you are seeking. We are not debating in court did you know? If you have any doubt about whether you should do anything I state on here why not ask others if they have done the same thing too and if they have we cant all be wrong?


"You take my posts too seriously.... "

No, not in the least.

"If you have any doubt about whether you should do anything I state on here.... "

I frequently do.

[caspernz]

Oh well, the troll that is cassina has been keeping you fellas amused. In the meantime I ventured out in the sun, much more satisfying than discussing riding techniques with a pot plant :cool::clap:

[AllanB]

I tried some of that riding in the video today. Wasn't all bad.

[rastuscat]

The chap who posts under Roadcraft Nottingham on Youtube has some really good stuff, sample below. Yes he coaches Roadcraft, same as some of us in NZ.

https://youtu.be/EBvsaN3Tc9c

Any Road Craft is good Road Craft. So long as it's taught with context.

[Blackbird]

Any Road Craft is good Road Craft. So long as it's taught with context.

Yep - that's the key. Just reading the Roadcraft book is useful but can lead to misunderstandings in application unless it's supported by practical coaching.

[caspernz]

Any Road Craft is good Road Craft. So long as it's taught with context.

Absolutely right Pete, no point teaching someone extreme positioning without talking about SSV.


Yep - that's the key. Just reading the Roadcraft book is useful but can lead to misunderstandings in application unless it's supported by practical coaching.

No doubt about it Geoff, this might be where the perception comes from that Roadcraft is in some way rigid or inflexible. In practical terms it's the exact opposite, but in order for someone to graps that they need first hand exposure to the Roadcraft system.

Yesterday my new trainee and myself witnessed a Police car attempting a U-turn not far over a blind rise, well when I say attempt, it turned into a 3 point turn. My trainee got a bit aggro on this, saying how the cops should know better than to keep doing this. Yep, I'll agree it was less than ideal, but then if I'm not out driving/riding my stopping distance...not really a problem either. Which then led to a chat about vanishing point and stopping distance. So even a less than ideal situation can be turned into a learning experience :niceone:

[awayatc]

Yesterday my new trainee and myself witnessed a Police car attempting a U-turn not far over a blind rise, well when I say attempt, it turned into a 3 point turn.

Cops in general are very unforgiving towards us common road users.... therefor they put themselves above us mere mortals and should either put up or shut up.

Inexcusable antics of tossers in uniform should know and behave better .......or get another job at ird

[caspernz]

Cops in general are very unforgiving towards us common road users.... therefor they put themselves above us mere mortals and should either put up or shut up.

Inexcusable antics of tossers in uniform should know and behave better .......or get another job at ird

Yes and no. My trainee is new to advanced driving, so while what the officer did was less than ideal, to me it was a non-event. Where my trainee went wrong was in thinking he's perfectly entitled to charge over a blind rise, which will see him outrun his stopping distance significantly. In such a situation the officer doing a U-turn would turn into a near miss or incident. So as I said earlier, even a less than ideal situation turns into a learning event.

[awayatc]

Great that trainee saw firsthand that one has to be ready for dangerous actions from fuckwits on our roads.

Inexcusable is that this particular fuckwit is from the "safer communities together" brotherhood.
Happily to endanger and even kill any roaduser who happens to be in the way of an (Non quota...) infringement opportunity...

[FJRider]

If you have any doubt about whether you should do anything I state on here why not ask others if they have done the same thing too and if they have we cant all be wrong?

An iffy statement if ever there was ... <_< and ... yes you can be ... :yes:

[old slider]

Yes and no. My trainee is new to advanced driving, so while what the officer did was less than ideal, to me it was a non-event. Where my trainee went wrong was in thinking he's perfectly entitled to charge over a blind rise, which will see him outrun his stopping distance significantly. In such a situation the officer doing a U-turn would turn into a near miss or incident. So as I said earlier, even a less than ideal situation turns into a learning event.


Man this is a great forum, a lot of the basic skills mentioned seem natural to me, but there is always other bits of info I keep picking up or it gives me a gentle reminder.

Thanks guys.

[jellywrestler]

But some of you think everything I say will result in death and if thats the case why am I not dead?

how do we know you're not? post a piccie of you with todays paper please

[nzspokes]

Some weeks ago my friends car was almost hit by a police car doing a U turn. They have learnt nothing from the accident where one 1 or 2 riders were killed when a police car did a U turn some years back. So much for their car equivalent to IAMs training.

You have friends?

[FJRider]

But some of you think everything I say will result in death and if thats the case why am I not dead?

Because people keep making allowances for you. Letting you live ... even if it costs them with injury or damage ...

[rastuscat]

So much for their car equivalent to IAMs training.

Sadly the driver training Police receive is limited to half a day every 3 years. And its an assessment, not training.

It's in no way related to IAM standards.

[awayatc]

Sadly the driver training Police receive is limited to half a day every 3 years. And its an assessment, not training.

It's in no way related to IAM standards.

Sadly explains a lot....

I deserve better from the police force...

And the police force deserves better from its paymasters

[george formby]

Sadly the driver training Police receive is limited to half a day every 3 years. And its an assessment, not training.

It's in no way related to IAM standards.

That does explains a lot... I'm consistently underwhelmed by the driving standards of a number of our local Federales, they only lack a baseball cap and phat mags.

[eldog]

Sadly the driver training Police receive is limited to half a day every 3 years. And its an assessment, not training.

It's in no way related to IAM standards.

Would the general public benefit from this type of training?

[eldog]

Some weeks ago my friends car was almost hit by a police car doing a U turn. They have learnt nothing from the accident where one 1 or 2 riders were killed when a police car did a U turn some years back. So much for their car equivalent to IAMs training.

Where you driving it at the time?

[caspernz]

Great that trainee saw firsthand that one has to be ready for dangerous actions from fuckwits on our roads.

Inexcusable is that this particular fuckwit is from the "safer communities together" brotherhood.
Happily to endanger and even kill any roaduser who happens to be in the way of an (Non quota...) infringement opportunity...

Yes, I agree it shouldn't have happened in the first place, not by a member of the police force anyway. Further posts in this topic have obviously revealed the standard to which the average officer is trained is quite basic.

Now it may sound like I'm defending the officers' actions here, which I'm not, yet anyone with a modicum of situational awareness would have dealt with it much the way I did. Never even had to brake after all...

[T.W.R]

You were just at a lucky distance.

Fuck you need a bullet you dimwitted arrogant piece of shit!

[caspernz]

You were just at a lucky distance.

If by lucky you mean I moderated my speed to be able to stop short of the vanishing point, then yeah I’d agree. Thing is I know how to do this by intent, so no luck involved.

[awayatc]

You were just at a lucky distance.

Most people with more then 2 braincells learn and create their own luck.

You are just a fuckwit

[nzspokes]

Yes, I agree it shouldn't have happened in the first place, not by a member of the police force anyway. Further posts in this topic have obviously revealed the standard to which the average officer is trained is quite basic.

Now it may sound like I'm defending the officers' actions here, which I'm not, yet anyone with a modicum of situational awareness would have dealt with it much the way I did. Never even had to brake after all...

On an Observed ride I had, I came over a brow to find a Range Rover on my side of the road overtaking a cyclist. :eek5:

With the correct position and speed its was easy to avoid.

I got an A+ for that ride I think, doubt I would have if I had run into the Rangie.

[nzspokes]

Would the general public benefit from this type of training?

Car Roadcraft? Ive not done car yet. But from the benefits of the motorcycle one I would say yes, very much so.

[nzspokes]

It is always the person at fault that controls how lucky you get in terms of speed and distance to slow down brake swerve etc to avoid them. If every person not at fault was as lucky as you there would be no crashes at all on the roads but sadly that is not the reality.

You could not be more wrong if you tried.

[caspernz]

It is always the person at fault that controls how lucky you get in terms of speed and distance to slow down brake swerve etc to avoid them. If every person not at fault was as lucky as you there would be no crashes at all on the roads but sadly that is not the reality.

Oh I don't know, many everyday traffic situations can be dealt with by a systematic approach. Lady luck is last resort...:cool:


On an Observed ride I had, I came over a brow to find a Range Rover on my side of the road overtaking a cyclist. :eek5:

With the correct position and speed it was easy to avoid.

Roadcraft in action aye...:2thumbsup

[caspernz]

Often in media statements from the police after crashes they attend they often say the survivors were "Lucky" So if the police say luck plays a part in outcomes you are very disillusioned to think all situations on the road are 100% controllable by the not at fault party.

At no point did I suggest all and any situation can be controlled by a systematic approach. If one starts with a systematic approach however, reliance on luck becomes the last resort, sure as heck wouldn't want luck to be my primary safety guide on the road...:facepalm:

[caspernz]

So your thinking is if the person at fault gives you enough time to brake or swerve etc there is something highly technical about it? If you think you are doing something highly technical everytime you avoid someone who screws up and it makes you feel like a hero good luck.

The use of Roadcraft has nothing to do with being a hero. Feel free to misinterpret anything I say though...:rolleyes:

It's time I went and watered my pot plants :devil2:

[caspernz]

I must remember next time I swerve/brake to avoid a crash to post on here that I used "Roadcraft" today. I will then know I am as good as you.

Again, feel free to misinterpret and twist everything I say, explains a lot :facepalm:

[old slider]

I must remember next time I swerve/brake to avoid a crash to post on here that I used "Roadcraft" today. I will then know I am as good as you.

As a MLC returning rider who has only been back in the saddle for 2-3 years riding a big heavy sort of road couch and a nice little 650 parallel twin sort of sport bike, I struggle to follow your reasoning.

Maybe I am over cautious or maybe because I know how much it hurts I am looking out for any potential problems as I ride, maybe my roads are much less congested than yours, admittedly I would be way out of my comfort zone riding in any of our big centres, but that would be with any type of vehicle.

Swerving and emergency braking are something I practice in a safe environment, but fingers crossed, or maybe as you say it has been luck, it is not something I have had to do since my teenage to late 20s years racing around local streets on a plethora of bikes.

I am aware shit happens and I try to ensure that I do everything in my power to protect myself, that starts with putting on appropriate clothing and gear every time I throw a leg over, but I think my biggest protection is what is inside my head.

[Moi]

As a MLC returning rider who has only been back in the saddle for 2-3 years riding a big heavy sort of road couch and a nice little 650 parallel twin sort of sport bike, I struggle to follow your reasoning.

Maybe I am over cautious or maybe because I know how much it hurts I am looking out for any potential problems as I ride, maybe my roads are much less congested than yours, admittedly I would be way out of my comfort zone riding in any of our big centres, but that would be with any type of vehicle.

Swerving and emergency braking are something I practice in a safe environment, but fingers crossed, or maybe as you say it has been luck, it is not something I have had to do since my teenage to late 20s years racing around local streets on a plethora of bikes.

I am aware shit happens and I try to ensure that I do everything in my power to protect myself, that starts with putting on appropriate clothing and gear every time I throw a leg over, but I think my biggest protection is what is inside my head.

I'd suggest that many KBers are of a very similar mindset...

[nzspokes]

There is nothing wrong with being cautious and being an MLC rider its fully understandable due to the statistical risk with MLC guys. Your choice of bike can influence how cautious you have to be too as some offer better visability, torque, braking and ground clearance than others. As a matter of interest do you think if you had never given up riding would you feel more confident today?

I am over cautious in my own way too e.g: I will not do group rides and I take notice of speed advisory signs on bends. I just dont brag about it like the riding school grads on here who have learnt fancy names like "Roadcraft" to explain slaming on the brakes or swerving to avoid a crash and coming on here saying their "Roadcraft" riding school saved them.

Roadcraft was released to the public in the 50s.

[old slider]

There is nothing wrong with being cautious and being an MLC rider its fully understandable due to the statistical risk with MLC guys. Your choice of bike can influence how cautious you have to be too as some offer better visability, torque, braking and ground clearance than others. As a matter of interest do you think if you had never given up riding would you feel more confident today?

I am over cautious in my own way too e.g: I will not do group rides and I take notice of speed advisory signs on bends. I just dont brag about it like the riding school grads on here who have learnt fancy names like "Roadcraft" to explain slaming on the brakes or swerving to avoid a crash and coming on here saying their "Roadcraft" riding school saved them.


I don't think I would mix up cautious with confidence Cassina, I have always felt reasonably but certainly not over confident on a motorcycle, well apart from the time I was stopped by Mr Po whilst riding my mates step through Suzuki as quickly as it would go up our street when I was about 13, then I felt quite inadequate.

I used the word cautious as a way of explaining how I try to keep my eyes and ears (even nose after reading on here about the smell and often tell tale sign of a diesel spill) alert to any unforeseen or potential hazards that maybe near and far to myself.
Others may explain it as something akin to roadcraft, hopefully after absorbing all the info available on here it helps many of us to be safer in our riding habits.

[caspernz]

I bet people were able to brake and swerve to avoid hazards long before then though and its just been thought up as a fancy name like a brand name to promote business for driving/riding schools. Eg we teach the "Roadcraft Way" I have only heard that name on Kbiker so it cant be that public that is I have never heard it said in road safety advertising.

That might be down to you not having partaken in any training post license. Roadcraft is used as the basis for the ACC funded Rideforever series. Roadcraft also forms the basis for most defensive riding/driving teaching.

But those of us who've partaken in any kind of post license rider/driver training already know this :confused::laugh:

[Woodman]

Not all of us need to go to riding school to learn the dangers out there and there is a saying that goes "Everyone Learns Differently" I have not read anything on here to make me a safer rider so due to the number of "non stop" years I have been riding over 40 I must have it all sussed.

Hang on. You have said numerous times on here that you think that rider courses would have helped you avoid all your not at fault accidents.:facepalm:

[nzspokes]

I bet people were able to brake and swerve to avoid hazards long before then though and its just been thought up as a fancy name like a brand name to promote business for driving/riding schools. Eg we teach the "Roadcraft Way" I have only heard that name on Kbiker so it cant be that public that is I have never heard it said in road safety advertising.

Clearly your observation skills for training are just as bad as when on the road then. Its not a brand. IAM are a charity and work for free.

As stated its the basis for Defensive Driving which has been around for some time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadcraft

[nzspokes]

I don't think I would mix up cautious with confidence Cassina, I have always felt reasonably but certainly not over confident on a motorcycle, well apart from the time I was stopped by Mr Po whilst riding my mates step through Suzuki as quickly as it would go up our street when I was about 13, then I felt quite inadequate.

I used the word cautious as a way of explaining how I try to keep my eyes and ears (even nose after reading on here about the smell and often tell tale sign of a diesel spill) alert to any unforeseen or potential hazards that maybe near and far to myself.
Others may explain it as something akin to roadcraft, hopefully after absorbing all the info available on here it helps many of us to be safer in our riding habits.

What you are being is smart. :cool:

[Viking01]

I must remember next time I swerve/brake to avoid a crash to post on here that I used "Roadcraft" today. I will then know I am as good as you.

Look, just don't bother (to swerve or brake , that is).

[Moi]

Larson answers the question "Why?"

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7a/9e/cc/7a9eccd0f6d4cabcc75f8c8c82cbcd3f--comic-strips-fun-stuff.jpg

From God's Kitchen : And a generous amount of JERKS, just to make it interesting.

[caspernz]

No I said rider courses would "NOT" have helped otherwise I would have done one to learn how to emergency brake and swerve. There was no time to brake or swerve when I was hit which some on here percieve as impossible but they have just got lucky so far.

The sad part is that if you'd actually partake in a Rideforever course, your eyes would be opened to what one can do. Your choice though.

I could write a novel here, but as it's been said before, proper forward observation will greatly reduce the number of times one has to emergency brake and/or swerve.

It is amusing watching Youtube cam videos where the driver/rider of camera car/bike gets upset by the actions of another road user. Most of the time one can reasonably pick what is up, well before the cam driver/rider responds. Merely confirms that human error is largely to blame in something like 90% of accidents. Train the human better, reduce the number of accidents. I've done my bit, and encourage others to do likewise.

I'll be upfront and admit that, until I'd taken part in defensive/advanced driver/rider training, I too thought nothing could be done to make me a better driver/rider. I was wrong, and until you partake in some training you have no business to run down the benefits brought about by such training. Sure explains why you cop so much flack on KB though...:brick:

[awayatc]

the number of "non stop" years I have been riding over 40 I must have it all sussed.

How many accidents you been involved in....?

How many years you been riding accident free...?

Those are the only number that matter.

If you did have accidents your witchcraft wasn't up to specs...

Time to see if road craft would serve it's purpose better.

Obviously couldn't be worse

[caspernz]

You have missed the whole point of my argument about riding schools in that they can as you say make "YOU" a better rider but thats the limit of their ability. I have said on here many times going to riding school does not help control the speed and distance from you of another motorist when they screw up. All those who think riding school will help them in such a situation are deluded in my opinion.

Nah the point of your argument isn't lost on me, but what you're missing is that if you've been properly trained you'll spot the screw-ups of others develop, thus giving you a bit more time to react. It's called situational awareness, and part of that means reducing speed when one sees a developing situation and making a plan. It can be taught, and it doesn't have luck as a primary component.

[caspernz]

How many accidents you been involved in....?

How many years you been riding accident free...?

Those are the only number that matter.

If you did have accidents your witchcraft wasn't up to specs...

Time to see if road craft would serve it's purpose better.

Obviously couldn't be worse

Eloquently summed up.

[george formby]

You have missed the whole point of my argument about riding schools in that they can as you say make "YOU" a better rider but thats the limit of their ability.

Finally admitting you're to stupid to improve? Good stuff from a contradictory, cherry picking, troll.

Oh, most on here debate, that requires facts. You argue, that's mere opinion.

YAAF S.Troll on.

[T.W.R]

:oi-grr: It's like flogging the crap out of a dead horse trying to get the dimwit to open it's eyes & mind to actually learn something :facepalm:

The secret is a willingness to learn, to strive for self improvements & better understanding of basic fundamentals and grasping knowledge & growing from it.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing and deadly when it belongs to a closed arrogant mind :yes:

People do learn in different ways as it said but there's at least 3 forms of learning for individuals; some respond better to certain forms of education than others but the key is for the trainer to grasp what form that is and to nurture it & let it grow & blossom, get the enthusiasm spurred.
A good tutor/instructor that can adjust themselves to each individuals needs are a rare breed but the core basics are concrete & from there the black & white of it all gets blurred because we're all unique.
In all it's a continuous learning curve and any bigoted prick that thinks they know it all needs a kick in the arse, there's always room for improvement and if someone thinks better they're in for a reality check because they're a little minnow in a fucking huge pond where there are much better & brighter people grasping any new knowledge with both hands & growing for their own benefit and those around them.....it's respecting one's self and respecting others.

Be humble and prepared to learn :yes:

[sidecar bob]

It is amusing watching Youtube cam videos where the driver/rider of camera car/bike gets upset by the actions of another road user. Most of the time one can reasonably pick what is up, well before the cam driver/rider responds. Merely confirms that human error is largely to blame in something like 90% of accidents. Train the human better, reduce the number of accidents. I've done my bit, and encourage others to do likewise.

:

Here's a game you can play at home with a group of bikers.
Put a YouTube crash compilation clip on the TV, when someone yells stop, pause the video, then the person that yelled stop says what he thinks happens next. It's amazing how far before the crash happens that you can predict it.

[caspernz]

Here's a game you can play at home with a group of bikers.
Put a YouTube crash compilation clip on the TV, when someone yells stop, pause the video, then the person that yelled stop says what he thinks happens next. It's amazing how far before the crash happens that you can predict it.

Haha, I use this approach in the classroom already...:2thumbsup

[T.W.R]

Haha, I use this approach in the classroom already...:2thumbsup

AA defensive driving courses were doing that 25yrs+ back by VCR ;)

[caspernz]

AA defensive driving courses were doing that 25yrs+ back by VCR ;)

Yeah well, not like I claimed that I invented the concept, just confirming it works. For those with an open mind at least :killingme

[T.W.R]

Yeah well, not like I claimed that I invented the concept, just confirming it works. For those with an open mind at least :killingme

I wasn't implying that fella :no:

And it is a good tool to give some a reality check and a perfect aid for those who are visual learners :msn-wink:
The onset of youtube has exposed all to a barrage of what events can happen, just a reinvention of the wheel for the modern world

[russd7]

to be fair neither of the two ride forever courses that i have done actually told me anything i didn't already know or at some stage in my riding time put in to practice, what they did teach me was that i had become lazy and complacent. since doing the first one i did with Dan Ormsby and concentrating on putting in to practice what i already knew my riding has become smoother and more enjoyable again.

biggest problem with rider training is they are preaching to the converted and those that take them up are looking to improve, those that believe they already are perfect riders will always find a way to blame someone else instead of looking and asking what could they have done different.

if a tractor drives out of a gateway in front of me i don't blame luck that i didn't hit it I already know that i saw it coming across the paddock and i already knew the gate was open and he was heading for it and therefor i was already slowing and prepared to brake. same goes for the car that pulls up on the opposite side of the road but has its right indicator going, that suggest to me he is going to u turn so i am already slowing down and braking ready to stop. and guess what he did right in front of me and i stopped

the farm ute coming along a driveway on a cold wet dark morning again i was slowing and hard on the brakes and stopped inches from their door again was no luck involved, its called roadcraft and involves situational awareness. most riders/drivers that i know would have become fancy ornaments in all those situations.

did i swear and curse, of course i did then i analyzed the situations and said what could i have done better, on none of those instances could i have controlled what the other persons did and none of those situations was luck involved, had i been closer i would have been past before they new i was there, had i been further away there would not have been an issue.

[AllanB]

You have missed the whole point of my argument about riding schools in that they can as you say make "YOU" a better rider but thats the limit of their ability. I have said on here many times going to riding school does not help control the speed and distance from you of another motorist when they screw up. All those who think riding school will help them in such a situation are deluded in my opinion.


Best post from you for a while. The point of any rider/driver training school is to make the driver/rider better - ie YOU if YOU are doing the course.

And any tips you pick up and apply that may help YOU survive the roads makes it worth while, yes?

[AllanB]

to be fair neither of the two ride forever courses that i have done actually told me anything i didn't already know or at some stage in my riding time put in to practice, what they did teach me was that i had become lazy and complacent.


this .

[caspernz]

I wasn't implying that fella :no:

And it is a good tool to give some a reality check and a perfect aid for those who are visual learners :msn-wink:
The onset of youtube has exposed all to a barrage of what events can happen, just a reinvention of the wheel for the modern world

It still cracks me up thinking of the Smith driving system videos from the 1950's that we got shown, now how long ago was that again? Oh, must have been the late 90's or so. The basics of Roadcraft are in there, just different terminology used. If only more would partake in post license upskilling :rolleyes:

[Luckylegs]

Yes my argument is lost on you as you say that riding schools teach you that there is always time to react and I have said over and over again in real life this is not the case as no one would crash at all if it was now would they??

C'mon really. You must be able to see the gaping hole in your statement... please say you can and your just doing it to wind us up

[Woodman]

No I said rider courses would "NOT" have helped otherwise I would have done one to learn how to emergency brake and swerve. There was no time to brake or swerve when I was hit which some on here percieve as impossible but they have just got lucky so far.

No you are telling porkies. You said it in this thread. It is in black and white.

[T.W.R]

If only more would partake in post license upskilling :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: Not pointing the finger at anyone BUT prime example below..... even the mentally disturbed can be helped on some occasions and there's some well beyond help



Yes my argument is lost on you as you say that riding schools teach you that there is always time to react and I have said over and over again in real life this is not the case as no one would crash at all if it was now would they??

Comprehension of basic english definitely isn't your strong point, give yourself some semblance of credibility by actually quoting with your accusations rather than putting forth a deluded idea of what was said :weird:
Rider education & training doesn't teach that at all, it attempts teach the individual to heighten the alertness to the possibilities that can be encountered and how to react in the best ways possible creating options that can minimise the severity of a collision or avoid completely. The thing that can't be conquered easily is a core human condition of fight or flight, the fight takes knowledge on board (increased situational awareness & roadcraft) & flight snaps back into panic.
You just keep on wearing your rose glasses and their tunnel vision of ignorance because you obviously (whether it be on two wheels or behind the wheel of a car) are a magnet for accidents and your skills are working for you without room for improvement :weird: must a real bastard being perfect :laugh:

[caspernz]

Yes my argument is lost on you as you say that riding schools teach you that there is always time to react and I have said over and over again in real life this is not the case as no one would crash at all if it was now would they??

The thing is you say riding courses wouldn't have helped in your crashes. Amusing how you can make that assertion without having partaken in any post license training. We all improve when we take part in training. Even when the starting point is that there was no time to avoid the screw-ups of others, as you keep insisting. An incident develops, so if one can read the signs, it won't come as a total surprise. After all, accidents that materialise out of the Tardis are fairly small in number...:rolleyes:

[awayatc]

The only thing that surprises me is that the big C has managed to survive on the road thus far.
Despite her best efforts.....

Mind you, there were various admitted close calls and non (near?) fatal mishaps.

Her perfect and awesome survival witch craft skills include gems like feet on ground around "bends", riding on extreme left side of road and obeying every advisory speed sign ,
To name just a few.....

But because she's been riding for so long she has absolutely no need for any sort of riding courses....

"I can crash perfectly well without them ...thank you very much...
It's all just plain luck, don't you know.....?"
You never have time to react if you are not at fault...."

Madness is when you do exactly the same thing , but expect a different outcome........


R.I.P.

[nzspokes]

The failure to look critically at your own actions in a crash is a key problem with Cassy.

My last motorcycle crash was legally the drivers fault. As far as I know he is still paying my insurance company off at $5 a week.

But I should have seen him coming, I should have had time to react and stop by seeing the situation developing. These areas are my fault and all things I have worked on.

For Cassy this would have been all the drivers fault and there would have no time to do anything. Its stupid thinking.

[Viking01]

So you need a riding school to teach you to avoid "distractions" and to stay focussed on where you are going? Well I don't.

If I was looking where I was going unlike you I may have had time to brake or swerve.

What ??

So, first you say you don't need rider training to stay focused.

And then you say:

If I was looking where I was going (unlike you), I may have had time to brake or swerve.

Aaaahhh ! My head hurts !

[Viking01]

You need to read his post again


But I should have seen him coming, I should have had time to react and stop by seeing the situation developing. These areas are my fault and all things I have worked on.

If he had been looking at his speedo so he was not going over the 4km tolerance though I could have some sympathy for him. However unless a cop is following I do ignore that tollerance on the basis a speeding ticket is cheaper than a crash even if its not my fault.


Sorry, the old fellow just went outside to cut the lawns and he probably won't be
back inside for another hour or so. Said he couldn't take any more.

So he logged me in instead, and has left me on KB Watch while he's busy.

So - You're the dog worrier ? I wondered if we'd ever meet up online.

I have to say that I thought that he was "pulling my chain" when he talked about
you, and said he thought you "had a few sheep missing from your top paddock".

But after having had some time to read some of your posts on this thread, I am
beginning to think the whole damn flock has gone AWOL.

It's obvious I'm not the only one on here that's barking, but at least I have an
excuse.

Just out of interest, have you ever thought about giving up this motorcycle riding
business? You are obviously just not temperamently suited to it.

I mean, with this repeated diarrhoea of yours, if you was one of us, I'd tend to
suspect distemper and have you down to the vet ASAP. You're not running a
slight temperature, are you ? Just a thought.

All for now.

P (The Dog)

[T.W.R]

These areas are my fault and all things I have to work on.


Hi

I would like to know of experience here as to how those who had
training compared to those who didnt? What did you find most
difficult eg bike weight/power/braking/handling in traffic?



Thanks for the reply

My situation is that I have recently sold my CB750 that I have owned
for 23 years to a friend so I know the bike very well and I have just
bought a new BMW850R


Does anyone have any experience/advise here
as I put in a claim 2 weeks ago and am still waiting
to hear back. I am not insured myself so cannot get
my insurance company to pursue my claim.

Any advise appreciated

So you still riding uninsured wanker?

There's nothing more lower than a deceitful, ignorant, narrow minded bigot

be sure your sins will find you out :msn-wink:

[Woodman]

So you need a riding school to teach you to avoid "distractions" and to stay focussed on where you are going? Well I don't. If I was looking where I was going unlike you I may have had time to brake or swerve.

Why don't you just look where you are going????

[nzspokes]

You need to read his post again


But I should have seen him coming, I should have had time to react and stop by seeing the situation developing. These areas are my fault and all things I have worked on.

If he had been looking at his speedo so he was not going over the 4km tolerance though I could have some sympathy for him. However unless a cop is following I do ignore that tollerance on the basis a speeding ticket is cheaper than a crash even if its not my fault.

My speed was about 40 in a 50. I was heading up a motorcycle lane and focused on what a Remuera Tractor was doing a 200m ahead of me, not a threat from the side.

Critical thinking is beyond you.

[nzspokes]

Ok your fear of rear ending the Remuera Tractor made you not look for traffic coming side on. Maybe next time allow a further following distance so you have time to look out for traffic coming side on at you as well as the vehicle in front. I ride in bus lanes legally and always look out for traffic coming side on but do have nothing in front to worry about as buses are not that frequent.

LOL you are a moron. :laugh:

[nzspokes]

My safety tip to you is obviously not in your riding school manual then for you to say that.
Good luck with the limited advice your riding school manual gives you but it obviously does not cover everything.

Moron. You have no understanding of time lines, this happened years ago. Realized I needed more training and I sought it out.

I dont need advice for Miss Footdragger.

Got insurance yet?

[nzspokes]

If it makes you feel better I came off too, on a wet road not long after I got my license. Unlike you though I was able to suss out myself what to watch out for on wet roads and modify the way I applied my brakes rather than have to go to a riding school to find out what I did wrong. I dont have any problem with you not wanting any advice thats not in your riding school manual but for all you know there could be a riding school that teaches what I said about allowing a longer following distance to enable you to see traffic coming side on. Moron yourself!!

We know you fall off all the time. This is nothing new.

I take advice from those that know what they are talking about, not Moron's.

So, got insurance yet?

[Woodman]

Shit can still happen even if you are looking where you are going. Untill you experience such a situation you and a few others on here will never believe though. What you and a few others are saying is that all those who crash through no fault of their own would not have crashed if they looked where they are going. You have a lot to learn and only a no fault crash will give you and some others on here an education.


Personally I find looking where I am going is right up there as far as safe riding is concerned.

[eldog]

My safety tip to you is obviously not in your riding school manual then for you to say that.
Good luck with the limited advice your riding school manual gives you but it obviously does not cover everything.
Can you send me, your copy of this book please.

as I don’t have a copy and yours does sound like it’s full of good advice.

thanks in advance:shifty:

[AllanB]

So, got insurance yet?

Too many accidents to get cover?

[Blackbird]

I know it's probably a waste of time in Cassina's case but the attachment from the UK Police outlines the principles behind the Police Roadcraft system (not the detail). As has been previously mentioned, it forms the basis of most training initiatives in NZ and many other parts of the world. With IAM, Roadcraft is the standard for mentoring riders towards taking their formal Advanced Roadcraft Test.

[old slider]

Pays to look in more than one direction.


https://www.facebook.com/100021572101284/videos/152162288846174/

[Moi]

I know it's probably a waste of time in Cassina's case but the attachment from the UK Police outlines the principles behind the Police Roadcraft system (not the detail). As has been previously mentioned, it forms the basis of most training initiatives in NZ and many other parts of the world. With IAM, Roadcraft is the standard for mentoring riders towards taking their formal Advanced Roadcraft Test.

That's a great read - good reminder of the basics.

If you go to Norfolk County Council's website (http://www.think.norfolk.gov.uk/motorcyclist/), you'll find a few more of their publications...

[Woodman]

No too good a rider for the amount of time I spend riding. If I was not a good rider all the crashes would become very expensive. How many on here are good enough riders to not need insurance?

I am a better rider than you but have insurance.

[old slider]

I know it's probably a waste of time in Cassina's case but the attachment from the UK Police outlines the principles behind the Police Roadcraft system (not the detail). As has been previously mentioned, it forms the basis of most training initiatives in NZ and many other parts of the world. With IAM, Roadcraft is the standard for mentoring riders towards taking their formal Advanced Roadcraft Test.


enjoyed that, thanks for sharing.

[Moi]

That's a great read - good reminder of the basics.

If you go to Norfolk County Council's website (http://www.think.norfolk.gov.uk/motorcyclist/), you'll find a few more of their publications...

Have downloaded their other publications in this series... have had a quick skim through them... well worth reading.

[Viking01]

I would never write a book as there will always be situatations that you strike that are not in it where
for example shit can happen from another road user and in such a situation luck plays a big part as its
them and not you that controls how lucky you get (in terms of their speed and distance) if you get lucky at all.

Well, that's a disappointment. I'd have thought that you'd have been ideally suited
to writing chapters on "How Sh$% Happens" and "How to Get Lucky".

Just as well that I have a few motorcycling books to read.

[eldog]

"How to Get Lucky"

Now that's a book by itself.

Could be a picture book as well, before and after photos.

by "Happy Go Lucky" sounds like a real name

[T.W.R]

Now that's a book by itself.

Could be a picture book as well, before and after photos.

by "Happy Go Lucky" sounds like a real name

It'd be more akin to this

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=121921&d=1236543428

[eldog]

Too many accidents to get cover?

nah,
The poster said it was:
-not enough distance
-not able to speed, except through pedestrian or school crossings
-too many obstacles, dogs, reversing vehicles
-people don't understand ACC and how it is supposed to work
-too many claims by other at fault road users
-cant be bothered
-I am in the legal right of way - what can go wrong, sue those other posters.
-I am never at fault - how could I be?
-I am one eyed
-I am too old to need it
-I am too old to get it
-I am too old and experienced
-I am just plain lucky when shit strikes
-there is punctuation and sentences, so I can't run off at the mouth
-I am too tall, I can see everything on my adventure bike
-I can see it all, but shit still happens I can't avoid it.
-I found I couldn't sue the dog
-I sued the dog owner, and the dog was put down, so yeah the dog was at fault.
-NZTA at fault because they built one way bridges
-the weather was at fault, I don’t need to consider it.
-my observational skills are above all others
-i don’t need to plan for what others are doing, I am right
-I would make a really good dictator look bad
-I forget other people make mistookes and other people have to deal with them, not me
-I ignore those things I cannot answer
-I have seen one group ride, so they must all be the same, right again!

perhaps I should get a boat? Or a plane out a here.
to Australia, they don’t have dogs, they have dingos or aussies.
the poster hasn't referenced who was at fault in the CHCH earthquakes? shit happens I guess?

[awayatc]

I would never write a book as there will always be situatations that you strike that are not in it

FFS woman......

The last thing we want is for you to WRITE a book.... .....

But please READ one....

You drive normal people insane with all you drivel.




YOU ARE A FUCKWIT!!!