Cassina - advice

[Murray]

Hello Cassinna

Many on here are starting to question your

"I have read", "it has been said", "others have said", "I saw somewhere", "on other threads", "people agree" etc etc etc

How about you actually show the threads, quotes, links etc when you are quoting them rather than say you don't have the time to look them up.

I think most on here will now question all of the above from here on in!

[Akzle]

c*ssina backs up the horseshit it spouts

but srsly. don't bait teh fuckwit.

[Akzle]

I cant be arsed trying to find them. If you dont believe any of my posts where I refer to the past posts of others just dont waste your time replying. That goes for any other non believers in my posts where I refer to the old posts of others too.

you're a fuckwit

[awayatc]

That goes for any other non believers in my posts

Well fuck me....

A Shehad or whatever it's called....

Please swallow your burka and choke on it


Ohh and before I forget,

you are a fuckwit

A fuckwit of unimaginable proportions,

But a fuckwit none the less

[TheDemonLord]

I cant be arsed trying to find them. If you dont believe any of my posts where I refer to the past posts of others just dont waste your time replying. That goes for any other non believers in my posts where I refer to the old posts of others too.

We waste time replying so that anyone not familiar with you or possessed of a very trusting and gullible nature doesn't end up twatting themselves on the account of the 'advise' you dispense.

[Bikemad]

I cant be arsed trying to find them. If you dont believe any of my posts where I refer to the past posts of others just dont waste your time replying. That goes for any other non believers in my posts where I refer to the old posts of others too.

not just a fuckwit.......a dishonest lazy lying fuckwit

[Katman]

Seriously, do you retarded cunts lack the ability to ignore someone you don't agree with?

Or is this just another round of Kiwibiker Soggy Biscuit?

[Woodman]

Seriously, do you retarded cunts lack the ability to ignore someone you don't agree with?



Seriously? You do see the irony in this don't you?

[Katman]

What specific "advise" do I give to others on here?

I asked him that once myself.

I doubt you'll get any less retarded answer than I got.

[Katman]

Seriously? You do see the irony in this don't you?

Dude, you're the one that keeps flocking to my posts.

[Woodman]

I cant be arsed trying to find them. If you dont believe any of my posts where I refer to the past posts of others just dont waste your time replying. That goes for any other non believers in my posts where I refer to the old posts of others too.

They don't exist because you are referencing your own delusions.

[Woodman]

Dude, you're the one that keeps flocking to my posts.

Couldn't ignore me could ya??

[Katman]

Couldn't ignore me could ya??

Trust me, I won't be starting a thread about you.

[Laava]

Seriously? You do see the irony in this don't you?

Plus 1...omfg

[Murray]

I cant be arsed trying to find them. If you dont believe any of my posts where I refer to the past posts of others just dont waste your time replying. That goes for any other non believers in my posts where I refer to the old posts of others too.

I am talking about future threads. Will that be to hard???

[TheDemonLord]

I asked him that once myself.

I doubt you'll get any less retarded answer than I got.

And I gave you an Answer, and referenced a post.

Specifically - it was telling riders that on signposted 25 Kph corners, they might need to put their feet down.

Remember - unlike yourself, I actually answer questions asked - you should try it sometime.

[Katman]

Remember - unlike yourself, I actually answer questions asked - you should try it sometime.

Have you ever lived in Australia?

[Luckylegs]

What specific "advise" do I give to others on here? Do you just take if I do a particular thing it must be ok for you and others to do as well? That is a silly way to think as everyone has a different riding ability and what may work for an experienced rider like myself could be dangerous for a beginner. You sound like the sort of person who if they read on a discussion forum that its an easy jump from a 125 beginner bike to a 1000cc sports bike you would believe it


Seriously? You do see the irony in this don't you?

I see woodmans irony and raise him 600000000000 dollars

[TheDemonLord]

Have you ever lived in Australia?

I gave you an answer to that one as well...

Do try to keep up.

[TheDemonLord]

What specific "advise" do I give to others on here? Do you just take if I do a particular thing it must be ok for you and others to do as well? That is a silly way to think as everyone has a different riding ability and what may work for an experienced rider like myself could be dangerous for a beginner. You sound like the sort of person who if they read on a discussion forum that its an easy jump from a 125 beginner bike to a 1000cc sports bike you would believe it and go from a 125 to a 1000cc bike yourself.


and what may work for an experienced rider like myself could be dangerous for a beginner.



an experienced rider like myself

I'm going to tag John Cleese in here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvVPdyYeaQU

Things that work for you but might be dangerous for a new Rider:

Crashing, lots - Nope.
Needing to put your feet down on hairpins - Still nope.
Reckless Dogocide - Again, Nope.

In short, if a new rider does the opposite of what you do - there is a 90% chance they will live to a ripe old age.

[Akzle]

I'm going to tag John Cleese in here:
.

you left out my personal (and most dangerous and phsically impossible) favourite of "having two fingers on your front brake around corners, and using the front brake to 'tighten your line'"

or the repeated insistence that the only three options available while "riding" (by luck only) are crashing, braking or swerving

[Grumph]

you left out my personal (and most dangerous and phsically impossible) favourite of "having two fingers on your front brake around corners, and using the front brake to 'tighten your line'"

or the repeated insistence that the only three options available while "riding" (by luck only) are crashing, braking or swerving

And the "when driving a car, I brake before the end of passing zones to let people wishing to pass go by " - or run into me....

I had an acquaintance - who would have developed into a friend, I'm sure - killed driving a F5000 car by a bastard who moved over rather than holding his line.
Everything cassina posts reads horribly like that scenario about to happen again.

[Akzle]

And the "when driving a car, I brake before the end of passing zones to let people wishing to pass go by " - or run into me....

I had an acquaintance - who would have developed into a friend, I'm sure - killed driving a F5000 car by a bastard who moved over rather than holding his line.
Everything cassina posts reads horribly like that scenario about to happen again.

maybe he just needed a bigger car so he was safer <_<

(bad taste, sorry)

[jellywrestler]

What specific "advise" do I give to others on here?

given that line it better not be spelling.

[AllanB]

Your use of CRC

[Katman]

I'm going to tag John Cleese in here.

That video applies to the vast majority of people posting in this thread.

[Katman]

Its how much front brake you apply as to whether what I have said is dangerous or not.

I wouldn't go expecting anyone here to read anything into your posts that doesn't conform to their KB circle jerk agenda.

You're bound to be disappointed.

[Luckylegs]

[QUOTE=Akzle;1131072806]you left out my personal (and most dangerous and phsically impossible) favourite of "having two fingers on your front brake around corners, and using the front brake to 'tighten your line'"

I said I did it and it worked for me. I never said that others should try it. Its how much front brake you apply as to whether what I have said is dangerous or not. You had better not try it as you will likely end up crashing.

Are you absolutely positive that application of the front brake tightened your line. Like really, really postive!

[Katman]

Are you absolutely positive that application of the front brake tightened your line. Like really, really postive!

Well that would depend on how light the application of the front brake was.

[Luckylegs]

[QUOTE=Luckylegs;1131072827]

Here is an article from the website www.rideapart.com

I did not learn from this website but it clearly states what I do is possible and they claim it improves safety too. PLEASE NOTE THEY SAY TO PRACTISE ON A RACE TRACK. Good luck if you give it a go. From what they have said this is something beginners should not try.


Trail Brake For Faster, Safer Cornering

Whoa, whoa, whoa? You mean you brake in a corner? Yep, and it’ll make you both faster and safer. Here’s how and why.

Applying a motorcycle’s front brake will slow you down. Of course. And, in doing so, it’ll compress the front suspension and shift the weight onto the front tire, expanding its contact patch and increasing its grip. That has the dual effect of making the bike steer quicker and making it so you can push the front end harder. Together, that adds miles per hour.

READ MORE: Why You Need Gear – An ER Doc Explains | RideApart

You should really learn how to do this in the safe environment of a race track, where there are no cars around, where vision is good and where falling down won’t necessarily kill you.

Just brake a little later into a corner so you’ll still be on the brakes a little as you begin to turn. Feel good? Brake a little later the next time and a little later after that. Eventually, after much practice, you’ll get to the point where you’re hitting the apex at pace, just as you let go of the last little bit of front brake and begin to apply a little throttle. That’s right, no coasting, you swap brake for throttle at the apex.

Later braking means more time spent accelerating on the straights means faster lap times.

It also helps with safety. Because the front suspension will already be compressed, the front tire’s contact patch already maximized, you’ll be able to use that brake lever to tighten or widen your line, without upsetting the bike. That pays huge dividends on the road, where you often come around a blind corner to spot a patch of gravel or similar. Trail braking will help you avoid that obstacle in a safe, fluid, smooth manner.

Be aware of the grip a tire has available. Leaning and braking both require grip from the same, finite source. The more you lean, the less you can brake and vice versa. As you near max lean, you near max grip. As you near max brake, you also near max grip. Cross the two and you’ll be laying on the ground, watching your bike cartwheel through a gravel trap.

Cool, so you're trail braking - neat, if thats the case, gòod on ya, nice skills, but thats not what i recall seeing you describe in previous posts so much as "covering" the brake and using it/applying it (to be clear from no brake to some brake) mid corner. No-one is saying you cant brake in a corner should the need arise however stating that its to change your line is odd.... maybe i need a new riding school

[Woodman]

That video applies to the vast majority of people posting in this thread.

Are you including yourself in that list?



And no I didn't come flocking to your post rather I was just reading the thread. Also one person cannot flock.:niceone:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well fuck me....

A Shehad or whatever it's called....

Please swallow your burka and choke on it


Ohh and before I forget,

you are a fuckwit

A fuckwit of unimaginable proportions,

But a fuckwit none the less

More Debs Night Out than Home Again: or maybe Killjoy. Or Churn.

[HenryDorsetCase]

you left out my personal (and most dangerous and phsically impossible) favourite of "having two fingers on your front brake around corners, and using the front brake to 'tighten your line'"

or the repeated insistence that the only three options available while "riding" (by luck only) are crashing, braking or swerving

wait what the hell?

anyone who has actually ridden a motorcycle knows that isn't how that works. front brake in a corner stands the thing up and shoots you wide!

covering the front brake in traffic is something I do now unconsciously but its for idiot avoidance. Do you think somewhere someone read about trail braking (again, a different thing entirely) and is confused?

[sidecar bob]

Best I can tell, Cassina rides a telelever BMW, in which case the normal rules don't apply.
They don't steepen up under front braking, but you can do pretty much anything you like with one without getting yourself in too much shit.
Might help explain some of the claptrap.

[Luckylegs]

Might help explain some of the claptrap.

That, and, to quote ax, fuckwittery

[Luckylegs]

[QUOTE=Luckylegs;1131072838]

I have never said I go from no brake to some front brake mid corner but use the front brake very slightly sometimes after having already slowed to give me a tighter line if I have overcooked the corner slightly. You note in the article I posted they say that the application of the front brake mid corner improves steering so I would interpret that to mean a tighter line could be acheived by doing it. I admit not to be much into technical riding lingo and I remember once on here I said on real tight bends I have coasted around them due to low gear being too low and second too high and I got attacked for my comment but one poster asked if I clutch slipped which they did not see anything wrong with and I said I did do that but if you think about it though pulling in your clutch and leaving it in will make your bike coast. If there is any riding school and it may even be a motorcycle racing school in NZ that teaches what I and the rideapart.com story says maybe someone will post. I note the heading for the ride apart website story is headed up 10 motorcycle riding skills no one knows or words to that effect. I have yet to read the others myself but simply googled what I did to see if I was the only one in the world doing it.

Why then did a previous post of yours say you gave the brakes a tap rather than applied increased pressure???. Just for shits and giggles do want to describe your common corner routine including mention of exactly what you do with the brake lever.

No, you dont have to prove anything to the kb couch trainers im just interested to see if in fact your actually way betterer than we thought, even if your shite at general communication and comprehension

[Viking01]

[QUOTE=Luckylegs;1131072848]

My advise to you sport is to perhaps go back to riding school and do a basic braking course rather than do what I do as you will only blame me if you come off. Sounds like the advise and it is advise from the article I posted is over your head too as you would be out there trying it out would you not?

We're just interested in reading about your cornering technique (both
left and right corners, preferably). In your own words.

We didn't say that we were going to immediately rush out and do the
same.

Quite happy if you want to add a qualifier in large letters at the start.
As a warning to the audience.

Well ?

[Luckylegs]

My advise to you sport is to perhaps go back to riding school and do a basic braking course rather than do what I do as you will only blame me if you come off. Sounds like the advise and it is advise from the article I posted is over your head too as you would be out there trying it out would you not?

Um nup, im pretty sire i underatood the article and can do what is being suggested although road riding it is not generally something i do. My issue is you implying that what you have suggsted you do is similar to what the article is describing. I simply asked you to better articulate what you do so i could see if it was indeed trail braking or something else. To be clear, i wad asking for my own entertainment and not to try and understand so i could copy you.

Much to the dissapointment of others no doubt, ill take the bait and have one more crack - from the point at which you initiate your braking, do you keep some form of pressure on tbe brakes through the corner, or at least until the apex or the point at which you are ready to accelerate?

[Luckylegs]

I said I apply the front brake slightly to tighten my cornering line. The article says applying the front brake (with practise) in a corner improves steering which as I said could also mean enabling a tighter line but if you disagree no problem its just you lot were after proof of my claims and now I have given an example you still have doubt???. What you are trying to ask for is the degree of pressure I apply to my front brakes and sorry I cant coment other than to say light pressure. I dont actually analyse every movement I do when riding like you and what the riding schools recommend as I just go and "Just Do it" as the Nike ad says. Now that you have proof I am not alone in what I do why not do a google search for more proof of it since you find it so entertaining. Maybe you could post on the website I gave reference to get more technical info as they would be more lingo literate than me.

No the article talks about initiating braking as normal but keeping the brakes on through the corner. Is this what you do? The question is so rertardedly easy to answer, even one of your poos should be able to answer it yet you struggle.

HOLY FUCK!!!!!

:wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko:: wacko::wacko::wacko:

[Luckylegs]

No the article talks about initiating braking as normal but keeping the brakes on through the corner. Is this what you do? The question is so rertardedly easy to answer, even one of your poos should be able to answer it yet you struggle.

HOLY FUCK!!!!!

:wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko:: wacko::wacko::wacko:

Or actually in a lot of cases, reducing (ie letting the lever out) after turn in whereas you are telling us you apply the brakes (IE pull the lever in) yet you are convinced what you are doing is the same as the article.

Out of interest, do you ever use other means of "tightening" your line?

[Katman]

anyone who has actually ridden a motorcycle knows that isn't how that works. front brake in a corner stands the thing up and shoots you wide!

There's a big difference between grabbing a large handful of front brake and a gentle application of the same.

But hey, if you feel at home in the big KB circle jerk, don't let me stop you.

[Katman]

No the article talks about initiating braking as normal but keeping the brakes on through the corner. Is this what you do? The question is so rertardedly easy to answer, even one of your poos should be able to answer it yet you struggle.

HOLY FUCK!!!!!

:wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko:: wacko::wacko::wacko:

Are you autistic?

[pritch]

[QUOTE=Luckylegs;1131072838]

I have never said I go from no brake to some front brake mid corner but use the front brake very slightly sometimes after having already slowed to give me a tighter line if I have overcooked the corner slightly. You note in the article I posted they say that the application of the front brake mid corner improves steering so I would interpret that to mean a tighter line could be acheived by doing it.

If you slow in a corner it will tend to tighten the line. That's true whether you slow by rolling back the throttle or using either, or both, brakes. As long as you don't spend more than the proverbial dollar.

[pritch]

Cassina's article is mainly for track use. Tracks are normally grippy and clean, the average country road corner may or may not be clean, it may or may not have good grip. Turning in under hard braking could be a big let down.

[Katman]

Cassina's article is mainly for track use. Tracks are normally grippy and clean, the average country road corner may or may not be clean, it may or may not have good grip. Turning in under hard braking could be a big let down.

Where the fuck did Cassina advocate hard braking mid-corner?

[Graystone]

I miss tags.

[Luckylegs]

Are you autistic?

Really steve, really... im not the one who cant answer a fuckin question and is trying to draw similarites between mild application of a brake in a corner and trail braking.

At the very least its description of a quick tap of the brakes would indicate very little actual velocity reduction in which case push tbe appropriate bar and rode out of the corner

Whatever - yoive turned onto a roght cunt lately eh. Im judt enjoying some timr in the circle jerk club

[nzspokes]

If you read my post again I said I do it if I slightly overcook a corner

Which if you knew how to ride you wouldnt do.

I this the point you put your foot down?

[Katman]

Whatever - yoive turned onto a roght cunt lately eh. Im judt enjoying some timr in the circle jerk club

Is that even English?

[Katman]

Which if you knew how to ride you wouldnt do.

I this the point you put your foot down?

Should we cast our minds back to the time you tried to blame a crash on a faulty side stand spring?

[nzspokes]

Should we cast our minds back to the time you tried to blame a crash on a faulty side stand spring?

Has there ever been a time you have not been a retard?

[pritch]

Where the fuck did Cassina advocate hard braking mid-corner?

You had better brush up on your reading, you aren't making a Hell of a lot of sense. Go back and start again see if you can get it right next time.

[Luckylegs]

Is that even English?

Bwaaaahahaha - fuck that was bad eh? Sorry, no excuse just lazy typing on a phone keyboard

[TheDemonLord]

The thing that always strikes me - is that there are parts of Cassina's posts, which when given the proper context and proper wording have a tiny sliver of truth.

Which then gives us the following possibilities:

1: Cassina does know what they are talking about, but have such a hard time conveying what they mean in the written medium, that it ends up sounds like Twaddle.

But if this were the case - when someone corrects them surely they would acknowledge the correction graciously.

2: Cassina has heard/read good advise, half remembered it and muddled it up, but is thoroughly convinced their half-remembered version is, in fact, the gospel truth.

However I suspect the reality is simply that Cassina is as per that Cleese Clip

[GazzaH]

3. Cassina are trolls.

[Akzle]

I said I did it and it worked for me. I never said that others should try it. Its how much front brake you apply as to whether what I have said is dangerous or not. You had better not try it as you will likely end up crashing.

you're a fuckwit.

it doesn't work for you. because physics. you fuckwit.

[Akzle]

wait what the hell?

anyone who has actually ridden a motorcycle knows that isn't how that works. front brake in a corner stands the thing up and shoots you wide!

covering the front brake in traffic is something I do now unconsciously but its for idiot avoidance. Do you think somewhere someone read about trail braking (again, a different thing entirely) and is confused?

i think someones mother smoked pcp during pregnancy and has since sustained multiple head injuries, actually.

though i'll give internet points to anyone who posts a video of themself trail braking with two fingers.

[HenryDorsetCase]

[QUOTE=Luckylegs;1131072848]

My advise to you sport is to perhaps go back to riding school and do a basic braking course rather than do what I do as you will only blame me if you come off. Sounds like the advise and it is advise from the article I posted is over your head too as you would be out there trying it out would you not?

"advice" vs "advise"

Please, look it up.

[haydes55]

If what I say is too confusing for you, you now have the article I posted to analyse too. If that is also confusing for you well thats just tough I guess or you are just not advanced enough in riding ability to comprehend.Is this correct:

1) Cassina is going 100km/h approaching a 65k recommended speed left hand corner.

2) Cassina uses the front brake and rear brake with the throttle completely closed to slow to 65km/h.

3) Cassina leans the bike over to the left and releases both brakes and still has no throttle on.

4) Cassina realises the corner is actually tighter than first thought and needs to tighten her line.

5) Cassina applies a light squeeze on the front brake while still leaning over. This slows her down and tightens the line.

6) Cassina releases the front brake and carries on around the corner until she can see the exit then applies the throttle and stands the bike up.

Or... from step 3

3) cassina leans the bike over to the left releasing the rear brake only, leaving some pressure on front brake.

4) Cassina realises the corner is tighter than she thought and increases the front brake pressure slightly to slow the bike down and tighten her line.

5) Cassina sees the exit of the corner, releases the front brake and begins accelerating as she stands the bike back up.

Which one Cassina? The top scenario or the bottom scenario. You don't have to go into any in-depth answer, just top or bottom, which do you do?

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[TheDemonLord]

If what I say is too confusing for you, you now have the article I posted to analyse too. If that is also confusing for you well thats just tough I guess or you are just not advanced enough in riding ability to comprehend.

Tell you what - I'll happily do a practical test with you - I'll take my bike out on some twisties with you and to make it interesting, we'll get some articulated trucks travelling in the opposite direction.

We'll both come into a corner a bit hot - You can brake exactly as you have written and I'll brake how I ride (which is, if it's a bit hot - a wee bit of rear brake to bleed speed mid corner and tighten the line, but not too much to risk locking the rear and highsiding it).

The winner (and the one who by extension knows how to ride) is the one that makes it round the corner without getting run over by a Truck.

Any day you want to put into practice that which you've written - let me know.

[Katman]

Is this correct:

1) Cassina is going 100km/h approaching a 65k recommended speed left hand corner.

2) Cassina uses the front brake and rear brake with the throttle completely closed to slow to 65km/h.

3) Cassina leans the bike over to the left and releases both brakes and still has no throttle on.

4) Cassina realises the corner is actually tighter than first thought and needs to tighten her line.

5) Cassina applies a light squeeze on the front brake while still leaning over. This slows her down and tightens the line.

6) Cassina releases the front brake and carries on around the corner until she can see the exit then applies the throttle and stands the bike up.

Or... from step 3

3) cassina leans the bike over to the left releasing the rear brake only, leaving some pressure on front brake.

4) Cassina realises the corner is tighter than she thought and increases the front brake pressure slightly to slow the bike down and tighten her line.

5) Cassina sees the exit of the corner, releases the front brake and begins accelerating as she stands the bike back up.

Which one Cassina? The top scenario or the bottom scenario. You don't have to go into any in-depth answer, just top or bottom, which do you do?

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Jesus fucking Christ, are you autistic too?

[sidecar bob]

Tell you what - I'll happily do a practical test with you - I'll take my bike out on some twisties with you and to make it interesting, we'll get some articulated trucks travelling in the opposite direction.

We'll both come into a corner a bit hot - You can brake exactly as you have written and I'll brake how I ride (which is, if it's a bit hot - a wee bit of rear brake to bleed speed mid corner and tighten the line, but not too much to risk locking the rear and highsiding it).

The winner (and the one who by extension knows how to ride) is the one that makes it round the corner without getting run over by a Truck.

Any day you want to put into practice that which you've written - let me know.

The fact that anyone can break it down to an exact science the same for every corner enough to come home & ruminate about it on the inter web suggests that riding is not a natural extension to that individual.
I wouldn't have a fuckin clue what I do most of the time, just what naturally feels right for that bike in that moment of time.
But whatever it is, it's not difficult, dangerous or slow, or resulting in frequent mishaps, or mishaps at all.

[Katman]

Tell you what - I'll happily do a practical test with you - I'll take my bike out on some twisties with you and to make it interesting, we'll get some articulated trucks travelling in the opposite direction.

We'll both come into a corner a bit hot - You can brake exactly as you have written and I'll brake how I ride (which is, if it's a bit hot - a wee bit of rear brake to bleed speed mid corner and tighten the line, but not too much to risk locking the rear and highsiding it).

The winner (and the one who by extension knows how to ride) is the one that makes it round the corner without getting run over by a Truck.

Any day you want to put into practice that which you've written - let me know.

Seriously, how old are you?

[Akzle]

So the author of the article I posted is a fuckwit too then by your warped logic??

can you show me where anyone said that?

probably not eh. because you're a fuckwit.

[TheDemonLord]

The fact that anyone can break it down to an exact science the same for every corner enough to come home & ruminate about it on the inter web suggests that riding is not a natural extension to that individual.
I wouldn't have a fuckin clue what I do most of the time, just what naturally feels right for that bike in that moment of time.
But whatever it is, it's not difficult, dangerous or slow, or resulting in frequent mishaps, or mishaps at all.

Okay - there is Merit to what you say - and certainly, riding is not a one-size-fits-all endevour, granted.

But would you not agree, that whilst there are some things which are mostly right, most of the time. There are other things that are never right, at anytime?

And if Cassina was offering either a specific solution to a very defined circumstance, or was talking in a manner that acknowledged great depths of nuance - then perhaps I wouldn't be so harsh. But time and time again they have shown this not to be the case. Time and Time again, they've spouted so-called advice which is downright dangerous for anyone to follow at face value.

[Katman]

Okay - there is Merit to what you say - and certainly, riding is not a one-size-fits-all endevour, granted.

But would you not agree, that whilst there are some things which are mostly right, most of the time. There are other things that are never right, at anytime?

And if Cassina was offering either a specific solution to a very defined circumstance, or was talking in a manner that acknowledged great depths of nuance - then perhaps I wouldn't be so harsh. But time and time again they have shown this not to be the case. Time and Time again, they've spouted so-called advice which is downright dangerous for anyone to follow at face value.

Seriously, you should shut the fuck up while you're only losing.

[Bikemad]

so am i right in assuming that cassina overcooked it into a corner coz he/she was feeling the need to keep up on a group ride?

[TheDemonLord]

Seriously, you should shut the fuck up while you're only losing.

If that is true - why have you been talking for years now?

[Akzle]

Public service announcement.
I, akzle, have been previously misadvised and using words in a manner different to the common comprehension. i'm sure this will come as a huge surprise to most.
mistakes have been made on all sides, and if any offence has been caused then i will consider regretting it.


c*ssina is still a fuckwit.

[AllanB]

Fuck man I just point and hang on!

Never go cheap on rubber.

[EJK]

Curious. In this situation what would you have done Cassina?

https://www.facebook.com/liam.saies/posts/10155846820376908

[Berries]

Never go cheap on rubber.
Yep. I have three kids to prove the point.

[nzspokes]

I wouldn't have a fuckin clue what I do most of the time.

Which is a problem for many riders. Imagine if somebody had a system for motorcycle control that used the Information you are getting which told you what Position you should be in, what Speed and Gear you should use and lastly when to Accelerate.

Wouldnt that be a thing.:lol:

[Akzle]

Well I certainly would be dead if I had rode like a poster on here used to when they said the right wheel track is the safest place to be. They no longer ride like that after others as well as myself said it was dumb and the poster then decided to change the way he rode. Ride as far left as possible would be the message that video is suggesting.

you're a fuckwit

[sidecar bob]

Which is a problem for many riders. Imagine if somebody had a system for motorcycle control that used the Information you are getting which told you what Position you should be in, what Speed and Gear you should use and lastly when to Accelerate.

Wouldnt that be a thing.:lol:

It sounds awfully mechanical & hardly enjoyable at all.

[nzspokes]

It sounds awfully mechanical & hardly enjoyable at all.

Not sure crashing into shit is enjoyable but each to there own I guess.

[Grumph]

Not sure crashing into shit is enjoyable but each to there own I guess.

I'm quite sure that it is possible to actually enjoy a ride - but you and cassina come across as the type who see disaster about to occur at any minute.

Riding too defensively can actually make you more vulnerable. If you don't enjoy riding then you shouldn't be doing it. I rode day in, day out, from age 15 to 50 - in all weathers. never a major accident or broken bone. On some right shitters too. There are some circumstances where simply grabbing a handful of throttle to escape is better than a handful of brake. Experience teaches you which is which.

[pritch]

The Japanese did some research a year or two back that suggested riding a motorcycle is good mental exercise as we age. The myriad of little calculations required to ride a bike keep the brain in shape. (I'm certain that's not the language they used but you get the picture.)

Of course the statistics could have been skewed by the less mentally agile not surviving to old age?

[nzspokes]

I'm quite sure that it is possible to actually enjoy a ride - but you and cassina come across as the type who see disaster about to occur at any minute.

Riding too defensively can actually make you more vulnerable. If you don't enjoy riding then you shouldn't be doing it. I rode day in, day out, from age 15 to 50 - in all weathers. never a major accident or broken bone. On some right shitters too. There are some circumstances where simply grabbing a handful of throttle to escape is better than a handful of brake. Experience teaches you which is which.

LOL, where did I say I don't enjoy my riding?

More importantly, could you keep up?

[awayatc]

The Japanese did some research a year or two back that suggested riding a motorcycle is good mental exercise as we age.

Bloody oath!
Quite a feat just trying to remember which bike is mine at the pub car park after a group ride.....

[Voltaire]

The Japanese did some research a year or two back that suggested riding a motorcycle is good mental exercise as we age. The myriad of little calculations required to ride a bike keep the brain in shape. (I'm certain that's not the language they used but you get the picture.)

Of course the statistics could have been skewed by the less mentally agile not surviving to old age?

I'm felling pressured to keep up with mental exercise now....

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well I certainly would be dead if I had rode like a poster on here used to when they said the right wheel track is the safest place to be. They no longer ride like that after others as well as myself said it was dumb and the poster then decided to change the way he rode. Ride as far left as possible would be the message that video is suggesting.

Isn't the point that there are no "one size fits all" rules? Generally speaking the right hand wheel track is a good place to ride - especially approaching a blind left because you get better vision. But the left hand wheel track is better on a blind right because some fucktard might be half in your lane or come into your lane on their exit.

Its dynamic and interesting, which is one of the reasons its fun.

[Akzle]

I dont ride with the fear of crashing otherwise I would go to riding school to hopefully lose that fear. You will get a lot of fierce debate from the riding school diehards if you suggest high speed can be a way to avoid a crash. It certainly can when doing an overtake and I never look at my speedo when overtaking.

you're a fuckwit

[Viking01]

My take on the best place to ride is anywhere where you dont cross the centre line or run off the side of the road and the "anywhere" can vary quite a bit due to road surface quality etc.


So HDC offers a simple "rule of thumb" on lane positioning:

"Generally speaking the right hand wheel track is a good place to ride -
especially approaching a blind left because you get better vision.

But the left hand wheel track is better on a blind right because some
fucktard might be half in your lane or come into your lane on their exit".


And then you immediately come along and improve (?) upon it with:


"My take on the best place to ride is anywhere where you don't cross the
centre line or run off the side of the road ..... "


And then you wonder why people get a little peeved with you.

[Katman]

And then you wonder why people get a little peeved with you.

Then I would suggest you're way too easily 'peeved'.

[awayatc]

Then I would suggest you're way too easily 'peeved'.

What compels you to continuously defend the big C...?

to bait others ?

Just wondering

[Katman]

What compels you to continuously defend the big C...?

to bait others ?

Just wondering

KB lynch mobs make me fucking puke.

[pritch]

I dont do a scientific analysis like some on here as to how to handle an apporaching corner and dont have a problem getting around myself.

But you cheat. You ride around the corner with your foot on the ground. Come to think of it, one of the YouTube videos Dr John Hinds did talks about that. People who put a foot down tend to risk a separated pelvis. And that sounds painful.

Here is the late Dr Hinds in one of the said videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsZBXlTHPCg

[george formby]

My take on the best place to ride is anywhere where you dont cross the centre line or run off the side of the road and the "anywhere" can vary quite a bit due to road surface quality etc.

I guess KB is having a positive effect on you. I can remember many "discussions" where you argued against exactly what you have posted above, positively dogmatic you were about a rigid road position.

S.Troll on.

[george formby]

Not sure crashing into shit is enjoyable but each to there own I guess.

Says he wid 2 dirt bikes, you will grow to appreciate visiting the scenery in a controlled and stylish manner..

[eldog]

So HDC offers a simple "rule of thumb" on lane positioning:

"Generally speaking the right hand wheel track is a good place to ride -
especially approaching a blind left because you get better vision.

But the left hand wheel track is better on a blind right because some
fucktard might be half in your lane or come into your lane on their exit".


And then you immediately come along and improve (?) upon it with:


"My take on the best place to ride is anywhere where you don't cross the
centre line or run off the side of the road ..... "


And then you wonder why people get a little peeved with you.

C must be getting help from K

Yep, so often I come upon road user half or completely on my side of the road
and the OMG look as they realise there is someone coming the other way is priceless
Franklin district is well known for accidents just like that. :facepalm:

[eldog]

Bloody oath!
Quite a feat just trying to remember which bike is mine at the pub car park after a group ride.....

generally start with the fastest looking one....if it will start....

if it doesn't start yell out "Whose bike is this blocking me in? Can ya throw me ya keys and I will move it for you!" generally works
at least till next weeks ride.....

[Graystone]

But you cheat. You ride around the corner with your foot on the ground. Come to think of it, one of the YouTube videos Dr John Hinds did talks about that. People who put a foot down tend to risk a separated pelvis. And that sounds painful.

Here is the late Dr Hinds in one of the said videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsZBXlTHPCg

A cunt that big surely requires a separated pelvis anyway :whistle:


KB lynch mobs make me fucking puke.

Trolls, conspiracy theorists, and attention whores are fair game; just relax.

[nzspokes]

Says he wid 2 dirt bikes, you will grow to appreciate visiting the scenery in a controlled and stylish manner..

Well yes but thats to be expected. :lol:

[buggerit]

The Japanese did some research a year or two back that suggested riding a motorcycle is good mental exercise as we age. The myriad of little calculations required to ride a bike keep the brain in shape. (I'm certain that's not the language they used but you get the picture.)

Of course the statistics could have been skewed by the less mentally agile not surviving to old age?

I'm going to hit the Doc up for a script next time I'm in for the:eek5:

[Cloggy]

Time to stoke the fire a little. I enjoy reading these discussions.

Rider training does not improve the crash rate of motorcycle riders in the case of this Californian study of 351 motorcycle accidents.
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/motorcycle-crash-causation-study?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=boosted-posts%7Ctpfn&utm_content=common-tread-news&utm_term=motorcycle-crash-causation-study-post-103117-%7Ctpfn

Cassina, over to you....
PS, There is an interesting statistic regarding "self taught" rider training.

:corn:

[AllanB]

Shit happens.

I was following a random guy last weekend who was sitting at a responsible pace, taking care etc for some time, then out of the blue, totally against the 10 kms or so prior, nailed it and passed a car in a too short space with a blind corner ahead.

Shit happens.

[george formby]

I'm going to hit the Doc up for a script next time I'm in for the:eek5:

Eye test? Quite painless.:doctor:

[caspernz]

Time to stoke the fire a little. I enjoy reading these discussions.

Rider training does not improve the crash rate of motorcycle riders in the case of this Californian study of 351 motorcycle accidents.
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/motorcycle-crash-causation-study?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=boosted-posts%7Ctpfn&utm_content=common-tread-news&utm_term=motorcycle-crash-causation-study-post-103117-%7Ctpfn

Cassina, over to you....
PS, There is an interesting statistic regarding "self taught" rider training.

:corn:

There's another angle to the advanced training. The riders who partake in advanced rider training can be roughly divided into 2 groups, those who want to be safer, and those who want to be faster.

Now I can't find the article which has all the relevant guff in it, but the broad outline was that the riders who wanted to be safer, improved their life expectancy somewhat. Those who wanted to be faster ended up crashing at higher speeds, with obvious results.

Naive as my outlook may be, until I read the article I hadn't even considered advanced rider training with the outlook on purely becoming faster...:rolleyes:

[HenryDorsetCase]

There's another angle to the advanced training. The riders who partake in advanced rider training can be roughly divided into 2 groups, those who want to be safer, and those who want to be faster.

Now I can't find the article which has all the relevant guff in it, but the broad outline was that the riders who wanted to be safer, improved their life expectancy somewhat. Those who wanted to be faster ended up crashing at higher speeds, with obvious results.

Naive as my outlook may be, until I read the article I hadn't even considered advanced rider training with the outlook on purely becoming faster...:rolleyes:

There's more than one type of rider training though. I've done ones that are purely focussed on the go faster part - thinking here of the have a go days at Ruapuna. You can avail yourself of the opportunity to learn and do. Or California Superbike School. But its focus is track riding.

Then there are the advanced road training ones - which I have also done: Pro Rider and the Ride Forever stuff and IAM (though I dont know anything about that - something something hi vis?) and which focus on improving road craft and technique and stuff.

horses for courses innit. But I can see that confusing the two might be an issue.

[caspernz]

There's more than one type of rider training though. I've done ones that are purely focussed on the go faster part - thinking here of the have a go days at Ruapuna. You can avail yourself of the opportunity to learn and do. Or California Superbike School. But its focus is track riding.

Then there are the advanced road training ones - which I have also done: Pro Rider and the Ride Forever stuff and IAM (though I dont know anything about that - something something hi vis?) and which focus on improving road craft and technique and stuff.

horses for courses innit. But I can see that confusing the two might be an issue.

Of course there's several approaches to advancing ones' skill level. Track based stuff can indeed be seen as purely go faster or improved machine control skills. As would be CSS.

The road based training sponsored by ACC in the Rideforever series, with Prorider being but one of the providers of this, all uses Roadcraft. This being what us IAM chaps use to improve a road riders' skills. IAM calls it advanced riding and whilst going fast isn't the focus, the techniques taught can make a rider faster even though the focus is on improving overall safety. If you've done a Gold course and want to improve from that point on, come to IAM to achieve the next level of finesse, and yes there's a fair bit to work on still after a Gold course.

Was having a conversation some time ago with a relative back home in Europe, the topic of advanced riding came up, and this led to me remembering the article I'd read about advanced riding having two distinctly grouped outcomes. Some got safer overall, the other group merely crashed at a higher speed. Discipline to ride to the conditions was obviously lacking in the latter group.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Some years back someone on here when the discussion was about motorcycle ACC premiums and how it would be a good idea if they could be reduced for riding school graduates said that ACC do not want to do that because riding schools make riders "overconfident". If that is the case then why are riding schools being part funded by ACC?

Logical fallacy. Correlation does not equate to causation. Thanks for your input though.

[Akzle]

Some years back someone said that ACC do not want to do that because riding schools make riders "overconfident".

b) prove it; and
a) you're a fuckwit

[Akzle]

Logical bro... it's c*ssina, don't get your hopes up


fallacy
.

that's far more applicable.

[Swoop]

Really steve, really... Whatever - yoive turned onto a roght cunt lately eh.
What do you mean by "lately"?

Jesus fucking Christ, are you autistic too?
Are you inviting others to your personal "Autistism sufferers" meeting?
Your condition potentially needs higher doses of sedatives. Some pharmaceutical companies may be involved, so are you able to handle "big pharma"?

[Banditbandit]

If you read my post again I said I do it if I slightly overcook a corner which is not all the time. Holy fuck yourself just go and try it (at your own risk) by overcooking a corner and applying slight front brake pressure to see if you tighten your line and not fall off which you sound like you would most likely do due to your doubt and if so "just dont do it". Maybe what works for me could also be bike specific which would explain why you can not comprehend but then it works for the author of the article too. Maybe you need to get a riding school with the special skill necessary to teach you as you did say you maybe have been going to the wrong riding school did you not?


Cassina's article is mainly for track use. Tracks are normally grippy and clean, the average country road corner may or may not be clean, it may or may not have good grip. Turning in under hard braking could be a big let down.


Yes - and it is bike-dependent.

On my old Honda in a corner when I was too hot I would tap the front brake ... this was not to tighten the line, but to slow down ... remember a wide swooping corner is faster than a tight corner - but on the road a misjudged wide swooping corner can often take you off the road ... tapping the front brake in a corner is risky - too hard and the bike stands up ..

Then I would use counter steering to push down the front - and get round the corner. I suspect Cassina is missing out the counter-steering - may well be doing it automatically.

My 650 bandit - the one I throw around - does not need this - the throttle response is so good I balance on the throttle and use counter steering - Then as I come out the corner I really open the throttle to stand up the bike ..

This is racer Nail McKenzie on cornering ...


"On a superbike I would tend to brake deeper into the corner while keeping it in a straight line, go past the point I would normally turn in but get it slowed down more so that when I start to turn and get off the brakes it comes back across for quite a late apex.

Make of it what you will ..

[Viking01]

Over the years on here there has been a lot of debate about cornering and even those that oppose my view often will not agree among themselves either. If in doubt go to riding school, its just they won't teach my way or the way stated in the link I have posted which does sound like my way.

And what exactly is "your way" ? I don't recall ever having seen you articulate it clearly,
despite having been challenged to do so on frequent occasion. Perhaps you'd like to take
the opportunity to refresh our memory ?

[Katman]

Perhaps you'd like to take the opportunity to refresh our memory ?

Why?

So the circle jerk club can have their next group orgasm?

[Woodman]

Why?

So the circle jerk club can have their next group orgasm?

Are you feeling left out? Performance anxiety maybe?:baby::baby:

[Banditbandit]

Over the years on here there has been a lot of debate about cornering and even those that oppose my view often will not agree among themselves either. If in doubt go to riding school, its just they won't teach my way or the way stated in the link I have posted which does sound like my way.

Do you use counter steering?

[awayatc]

Do you use counter steering?

i steer clear of any counter thanks...

[ellipsis]

i steer clear of any counter thanks...

...I use an abacus...and I used to use pie but now that I am diabetic I have to avoid them...like I do dogs on the road...I'm not allowed hot dogs either...I miss the good old kiwi hotdog when I'm at the track and the fund raisers at Bunnings look at me odd when they ask if I want onions with my sausage and I say yes please, lots, but no sausage thanks...there are far worse things in life than wiggling around a corner the wrong way...I prefer to just 'whizz' around them with my eyes closed and hope for the best...

[eldog]

...I prefer to just 'whizz' around them with my eyes closed and hope for the best...

thats why the funny looks as you 'whizz' and hope for the best.

[eldog]

Jesus fucking Christ

Where have you seen this?

does it need to be seen to be believed?

its gotta be on the web, or in Taupo at least.

[awayatc]

Is that where he walked across the water....?

[russd7]

...I use an abacus...and I used to use pie but now that I am diabetic I have to avoid them...like I do dogs on the road...I'm not allowed hot dogs either...I miss the good old kiwi hotdog when I'm at the track and the fund raisers at Bunnings look at me odd when they ask if I want onions with my sausage and I say yes please, lots, but no sausage thanks...there are far worse things in life than wiggling around a corner the wrong way...I prefer to just 'whizz' around them with my eyes closed and hope for the best...

as long as you putt ya foot down ya shud be rite :yes:

[ellipsis]

as long as you putt ya foot down ya shud be rite :yes:

...kin'oath...got around most of them in 46 years, worth of whizzing round the things...

[granstar]

And what exactly is "your way" ? I don't recall ever having seen you articulate it clearly,
despite having been challenged to do so on frequent occasion. Perhaps you'd like to take
the opportunity to refresh our memory ?

The point of all this garble, and it is, don't believe everything you read and it isn't valid unless you quote it. However said person with a name starting with C is one better, unlike us can do things we can't, like kiss my arse, but he can.
But that is all not bad there is a positive to that. If you have sunburnt lips cassindra, it will stop you licking them.:bleh:" Granstar".

[merv]

C... Cassina, how come you have your name on the side of Rossi's car?

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2017/12/03/rossi-makes-monza-rally-show-history/247635

[Cosmik de Bris]

The point of all this garble, and it is, don't believe everything you read and it isn't valid unless you quote it. However said person with a name starting with C is one better, unlike us can do things we can't, like kiss my arse, but he can.
But that is all not bad there is a positive to that. If you have sunburnt lips cassindra, it will stop you licking them.:bleh:

A lot of opinion here, hadn't you better start quoting?

Cheers

[Viking01]

http://werewolf.co.nz/2017/11/is-it-time-to-take-acc-back-to-first-principles/

[granstar]

A lot of opinion here, hadn't you better start quoting?

Cheers

You said that.

[caspernz]

There's a capable chap who can answer the ongoing "it was someone elses screw-up so it couldn't be avoided" saga, he's even turned it into a video. You're welcome :innocent:

https://youtu.be/zgXpIFWDB8Y

[PrincessBandit]

Most of what he said really just comes under the heading of forward thinking. Should be commonsense but how many riders see a gap and think “I can fit in there” compared to “I wonder why that gap is there”. Another significant point he made concerned filtering speed. I sometimes watch riders splitting and filtering as if they think they’re in a video game; these people drastically reduce their reaction time and wiggle room in the event of the unexpected.

[ellipsis]

...filtering!...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/yEM3zG-kZDA" frameborder="0" gesture="media" allow="encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[awayatc]

...filtering!...>

Some good riding.

Most dangerous I thought was the huge amount of cage lane hoggers. ...

[ellipsis]

Another excellent example of a pressure to keep up group ride for those on here that think there is no such thing.

...hook, line and fucking sinker...yaaf...

[Akzle]

Another excellent example of a pressure to keep up group ride for those on here that think there is no such thing.

you're a fuckwit

[Voltaire]

Imagine riding for that long on a motorway and no roadworks.

Get rid of Fulton Hogan and get some Malaysian companies to build them.

[granstar]

Imagine riding for that long on a motorway and no roadworks.

Get rid of Fulton Hogan and get some Malaysian companies to build them.

Another excellent example of pressure to keep roads good for those on here that think there is no such thing.

[Woodman]

Another excellent example of a pressure to keep up group ride for those on here that think there is no such thing.

And who would they be then?

YAAF

[nzspokes]

There's a capable chap who can answer the ongoing "it was someone elses screw-up so it couldn't be avoided" saga, he's even turned it into a video. You're welcome :innocent:

https://youtu.be/zgXpIFWDB8Y

Thats a great vid. He is right.

[Woodman]

All those who attack my view of this danger with group rides. They know who they are are.

I don't think anyone says there is no such thing. Some say that they don't feel any pressure to keep up on a personal level though. Your misinterpretation of basic reading is fucking outstanding.

[caspernz]

There's a capable chap who can answer the ongoing "it was someone elses screw-up so it couldn't be avoided" saga, he's even turned it into a video. You're welcome :innocent:

https://youtu.be/zgXpIFWDB8Y


Most of what he said really just comes under the heading of forward thinking. Should be commonsense but how many riders see a gap and think “I can fit in there” compared to “I wonder why that gap is there”. Another significant point he made concerned filtering speed. I sometimes watch riders splitting and filtering as if they think they’re in a video game; these people drastically reduce their reaction time and wiggle room in the event of the unexpected.


Thats a great vid. He is right.

Common sense indeed, unless one possesses none :innocent::shutup::facepalm:

[Voltaire]

Another excellent example of a pressure to keep up.

Here is another example.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/617d2aPi7SL._SY355_.jpg

[T.W.R]

I have actually been passed by riders under pressure

Everybody Farts

[Akzle]

I have actually been passed by riders under pressure to keep up so that beats reading any stories about it.

i have actually been passed by fuckwits.

you're a fuckwit.

[Woodman]

I have actually been passed by riders under pressure to keep up so that beats reading any stories about it.

What the fuck does that even mean????????????????:weird::weird:

[nzspokes]

Common sense indeed, unless one possesses none :innocent::shutup::facepalm:

It seems obvious, its also blindly obvious that Cassy has not commented on this vid......

[granstar]

Vid is basic defensive riding (I went to a course on this 1976), should be compulsory to all new rider/ drivers being carefull has over and over saved my arse.
It's all about riding to the conditions and attitude, nothing about the cost of honey ...from the 60's Quote" Ride to Live".
Never knew that thin bikes were more dangerous than fat bikes though, does that mean if your a fat basturd on a skinny bike your risk rises?


Link to DDC http://www.aa.co.nz/drivers/learn-to-drive-the-aa-way/defensive-driving-courses/

[onearmedbandit]

What the fuck does that even mean????????????????:weird::weird:

Ol' Cassy has been in its car on the road to Akaroa on some weekends and witnessed spirited riding and dubious overtaking and has formed one big fuck up of an assumption. It has the ability it would think to know what's going on in other peoples minds.

[russd7]

Never knew that thin bikes were more dangerous than fat bikes though, does that mean if your a fat basturd on a skinny bike your risk rises?


Link to DDC http://www.aa.co.nz/drivers/learn-to-drive-the-aa-way/defensive-driving-courses/

does that also mean if one were a tad portly and riding a fat bike then one would be safe. but the zzr is so much more fun

[nzspokes]

But if I said such riders did not ride under pressure to keep up but just rode as though they had a death wish instead would it make you feel better? Either way I will very likely live longer than them. Picking another reason other than being under pressure to keep up is just being semantical.

Yet you have to put your foot down round corners. :facepalm:

[Woodman]

It means I have seen it for myself and have just not just read about it.

Fucktard do you think everyone else on here doesn't ride motorbikes or something?

YAAF

[Voltaire]

Fucktard do you think everyone else on here doesn't ride motorbikes or something?

YAAF

I rode my 29 year old scooter today.....no dogs were harmed, felt pressured to out drag a Vespa 300 but lost....and past mid life and missed the crisis....:(

[Murray]

I have actually been passed by riders under pressure to keep up so that beats reading any stories about it.

Maybe you were passed by riders who can take a 50km corner at 60km or a 60km corner at 70km or even a 90km corner at 100km. cause you have previously stated that we should all corner at the recomended speed limit.

[Swoop]

Your misinterpretation of basic reading is fucking outstanding.

She makes up for it with outstanding abilities in colouring in and dot-to-dot puzzles though.

[Honest Andy]

She makes up for it with outstanding abilities in colouring in and dot-to-dot puzzles though.

and a few cross words

[EJK]

Your misinterpretation of basic reading is fucking outstanding.

<img src="https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=334047&stc=1&d=1513735057" />

[pritch]

There's a capable chap who can answer the ongoing "it was someone elses screw-up so it couldn't be avoided" saga, he's even turned it into a video. You're welcome :innocent:



Sensible stuff but Cassina wouldn't like it. He makes the point that just because an accident was somebody else's fault that doesn't mean it was unavoidable, which tends to negate Cassina's defence .
The other thing is he recommends training and specifically mentions IAM which in the past has been like a red flag to a bull. Cassina knows nothing about IAM but is convinced it doesn't work.

[FJRider]

It means I have seen it for myself and have just not just read about it.

That's a change in your policy ... you usually just claim you read it somewhere so it must be true ... :shifty:

[EJK]

This is a video of Cassina hitting a dog. As you can see, there was nothing she could've done.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/boa-jPZQF_A" frameborder="0" gesture="media" allow="encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[neels]

This is a video of Cassina hitting a dog. As you can see, there was nothing she could've done.

What a fucking arse, hopefully they at least lost a limb or something for that appalling effort.

Here's a hint, when there's a moving animal in your way, slow down or stop until they're off the road. I may not be your fault if you hit them, but it still adds to all of our acc levies

Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk

[T.W.R]

This is a video of Cassina hitting a dog. As you can see, there was nothing she could've done.




What a fucking arse, hopefully they at least lost a limb or something for that appalling effort.




That could quite easily been taken as animal cruelty that backfired on the perpetrator :yes: Anyone in their right mind wouldn't speed up after the dog if they had concerns that it may attack them or cause an accident by unruly behavior, the dog wasn't making advances towards the bike or looking anywhere near aggressive; poor bloody thing was trying to get away........glad the A/hole on the bike went down and a shame the dog had to get hurt in the process :yes:

[caspernz]

This is a video of Cassina hitting a dog. As you can see, there was nothing she could've done.

Classic! Yes, I just had no way of predicting that outcome :facepalm::innocent::shit::shutup::laugh:

[FJRider]

What a fucking arse, hopefully they at least lost a limb or something for that appalling effort.

Here's a hint, when there's a moving animal in your way, slow down or stop until they're off the road. I may not be your fault if you hit them, but it still adds to all of our acc levies

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AND ... it adds to the "No other vehicle involved" total ... :angry: