Bike preparation, who reads the rules regarding numbers

[jellywrestler]

It amazes me that a huge chunk of our road race bikes simply don't have numbers applied according to the rule book!
Why would they risk disqualification, and a big drama turning up to the meetings with bikes prepared like this?
Do they not respect the paying public enough to present bikes that they can identify to make their day better?
Do they not understand the safety issues around poorly numbered bikes?
It's not just the odd one either.

[Grumph]

Wasn't it Trevor Heaphy up your way who was the man obsessed with numbers ? I well remember the reaming he'd administer to anyone with numbers he didn't approve of.

The riders now don't see the importance cos they see transponders...But that's only the lap scoring function dealt to.
As you point out, bike ID, both by marshals and spectators is still very important.

[Doppleganger]

Off topic but from what I heard over the weekend is how many are going to rock up to Wanganui without enough 'competitive race' stamps in their log book for the last 12 months, thinking track days are good enough.

[jellywrestler]

Off topic but from what I heard over the weekend is how many are going to rock up to Wanganui without enough 'competitive race' stamps in their log book for the last 12 months, thinking track days are good enough.

they are good enough if it's the right track day. Now that MNZ Clubs, when running track days, have to have them permitted and riders need mnz licenses, be it full or day ones then these fit the bill for 'street circuit ticks'.
This one slipped through their fingers a bit like years ago when they suddenly doubled the points races at each round, this automatically doubled the prize money that had to be found (when there was a rule on minimium prize money) seems they really struggled to find clubs to run meetings then
what concerns me more is that some riders who have never even ridden a bike on sealed surface are now getting three ticks and heading to wanganui, the spirit of the rule was these are ticks to ensure you're riding regularly during the year.

[jellywrestler]

The riders now don't see the importance cos they see transponders...But that's only the lap scoring function dealt to.
As you point out, bike ID, both by marshals and spectators is still very important.

we've all heard the bitching about people interpreting the rules their own way in the last year....
it's very simple in black and white, and is like any other rule pertaining to our sport, failure to heed to it can cause exclusion

[scrivy]

Marshalls/Stewards etc need to see your race number too, incase of black flag situations.

[jellywrestler]

Do they not understand the safety issues around poorly numbered bikes?



Marshalls/Stewards etc need to see your race number too, incase of black flag situations.

finally, someone who understands....

[scrivy]

finally, someone who understands....

LOL..........

I just like kittens....

[Grumph]

Many would think getting group ride experience where there is "pressure to keep up" would qualify them to enter too.

You really are a fuckwit.

There's no pressure to keep up in racing - there's pressure to lead.

Now fuck off.

[Kickaha]

what concerns me more is that some riders who have never even ridden a bike on sealed surface are now getting three ticks and heading to wanganui, the spirit of the rule was these are ticks to ensure you're riding regularly during the year.

Not so long ago there were a lot of one event wonders turning up before that rule changed

Anytime we've had sign writing done I've given the guy a copy of the number rule

[mr bucketracer]

the design of the seats of these new bike's have make it very hard to read numbers , old schooled numbers on side fairing is fair easyer to read , now up to commuators to do there part ,but thats a diffiert story

[mr bucketracer]

Wasn't it Trevor Heaphy up your way who was the man obsessed with numbers ? I well remember the reaming he'd administer to anyone with numbers he didn't approve of.

The riders now don't see the importance cos they see transponders...But that's only the lap scoring function dealt to.
As you point out, bike ID, both by marshals and spectators is still very important.Tim gibbs put us in are place but he new how to run meetings

[eldog]

Wasn't it Trevor Heaphy up your way who was the man obsessed with numbers ? I well remember the reaming he'd administer to anyone with numbers he didn't approve of.

The riders now don't see the importance cos they see transponders...But that's only the lap scoring function dealt to.
As you point out, bike ID, both by marshals and spectators is still very important.

Its important for us mere spectators to be able to identify with the riders. How else are we going to create a fan base?
A few years ago while I was at Wanganui races, I was eventually able to identify a few racers, but it was easier to spot and deal with sidecars, this identity was mostly colours etc. But the numbers helped identify actual names, rather than the guy with the orange helmet with the yellow strip on the jacket.

I mean almost everyone know who is #46
they still might not know what he looks like in person.

when racing and trying to lead, the margins are so close, then knowing every rule (and interpretation) is important....

[jellywrestler]

the design of the seats of these new bike's have make it very hard to read numbers , old schooled numbers on side fairing is fair easyer to read , now up to commuators to do there part ,but thats a diffiert story

bullshit, the rule states you will use a number board of a certain dimension, unless you can fit them on, there's loads of room on the side's of most fairings for legal numbers, nowhere is the seats mentioned,
i'd struggle to remember any production based bike where the seat area/ tailpeice had enough room for a legal number, without the assistance of a number board.

[sidecar bob]

Marshalls/Stewards etc need to see your race number too, incase of black flag situations.

What's fly spray got to do with racing numbers?

[Grumph]

the design of the seats of these new bike's have make it very hard to read numbers , old schooled numbers on side fairing is fair easyer to read , now up to commuators to do there part ,but thats a diffiert story

The seat/numbers thing is a hangover from some point in the 90's when for a couple of seasons you had to have the side numbers behind the rider.
There's no requirement for that now so even on a bucket with only a half fairing, you can hang a couple of number boards somewhere.

Yes, Tim Gibbes was hot on numbers too - but turn up to a National at manfield with numbers too small - or a strange font - and Trevor would read you the riot act. If it was because he was commentating, Spyda is the natural successor...

[nodrog]

According to the rules i can run a number 1 on my sidecar without earning it. Choice. Now i just need to buy a $3 trophy and I've saved a couple of thousand.

[Kickaha]

According to the rules i can run a number 1 on my sidecar without earning it. Choice. Now i just need to buy a $3 trophy and I've saved a couple of thousand.

Are you sure you did read the rule book?


Numbers 1-10 will be reserved
for Competitors finishing in that position in that Class in the previous years
Championship

[jellywrestler]

If it was because he was commentating, Spyda is the natural successor...

the reality is I doubt anyone knows the road racing bikes in NZ as much or more than I do, I rarely need numbers, and usually if they're coming past the commentary position those places arew too fast to see anyway, but i don't need to, I work out whose gone through and look at the computer.

So why am I going to be the loudest on this subject, three reasons, firstly the public need the numbers, they need to be able to work out whose who to add value to their day, to understand what's going on, to identify who the commentator is talking about, and follow them.

Secondly, the safety aspect, Scrivy noted that one, and thirdly, last year we had a shit season with a couple of incidents whereby officials picked up bits of the rules they thought they'd apply to the game, this is exactly what's going on here, the numbers rule is clear cut, but riders seem to think they can pick up what suits them, and that's ok.
There's a set of rules for our sport, read em, apply them, if you don't like them, change them, please.

[nodrog]

Are you sure you did read the rule book?


Numbers 1-10 will be reserved
for Competitors finishing in that position in that Class in the previous years
Championship

Read it again to see what appendix that applies to.

[Grumph]

Read it again to see what appendix that applies to.

Mmmh, rules need a tidy up in that area.

[scrivy]

Well fuck me......
It's not that hard afterall.....
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Or do we need to appease the sponsors over the rules?

[jellywrestler]

Well fuck me......
It's not that hard afterall.....
333474333475

Or do we need to appease the sponsors over the rules?

the rule says 140mm not 250mm, there's room under the belly pan and you know it.

[scrivy]

the rule says 140mm not 250mm, there's room under the belly pan and you know it.

Yip.
But with some of the angles of the belly pans, that too may be too hard to read....and defeat the rule...

[nodrog]

the rule says 140mm not 250mm, there's room under the belly pan and you know it.

There is a minimum numberboard size, text size is 140

[jellywrestler]

There is a minimum numberboard size, text size is 140

yip was reffering to text size.

[jellywrestler]

Yip.
But with some of the angles of the belly pans, that too may be too hard to read....and defeat the rule...

there is also a rule about it's readability...

[nodrog]

yip was reffering to text size.

It still has to be on a coloured rectangle or oval 285mm x 235mm.

[jellywrestler]

It still has to be on a coloured rectangle or oval 285mm x 235mm.

so no-one in recent years has thought to alter the rule to maybe fit with modern bikes then?

[Mental Trousers]

so no-one in recent years has thought to alter the rule to maybe fit with modern bikes then?

One of hundreds of tweaks needed to the rules. For instance, the rules say that a board should be shown on the start line for all riders to check their helmets. For road racing this is done on the dummy grid before leaving the pits, but there's no rule to cover doing that.

[jellywrestler]

One of hundreds of tweaks needed to the rules. For instance, the rules say that a board should be shown on the start line for all riders to check their helmets. For road racing this is done on the dummy grid before leaving the pits, but there's no rule to cover doing that.

why's it done at the dummy grid when the rule says start line? it was shown at methven this year, and a rider found his not done up so it works.

[nodrog]

so no-one in recent years has thought to alter the rule to maybe fit with modern bikes then?

Obviously not.

[Grumph]

why's it done at the dummy grid when the rule says start line? it was shown at methven this year, and a rider found his not done up so it works.

CAMS doing it by the book...Others may not be so picky.

I'm showing my age here, LOL, but I can remember when you turned up to scrutineering at major meetings and there was often a signwriter there with the appropriate paint. If your numbers weren't good enough, they got redone on the spot.
The old man was Chief lapscorer at Cust up to '62. If he couldn't read a number from the lapscorers stand during practise, the rider got a bollocking and it was fixed for race day. No arguments.

[Mental Trousers]

why's it done at the dummy grid when the rule says start line? it was shown at methven this year, and a rider found his not done up so it works.

A lot of meetings run without anybody on the grid so there's nobody there to show the sign. Also, the flaggie that waves the finish flag is too far away at a lot of tracks. Hampton Downs it'd be a shit of a thing to try and see let alone read when you're on the grid.

However, the point is the rules are so full of holes there's not a single road race meeting that's been 100% legal for a very long time.

[jellywrestler]

However, the point is the rules are so full of holes there's not a single road race meeting that's been 100% legal for a very long time.

and one of my points is to point these things out and get them written betterer, personally i'd never given a thought to the pit exit being a much more logical place to catch peoples eyes, rather than at the front row of a huge grid....
each track of course is different but that makes a lot more sense.

[scrivy]

We know there's alot of rules that are broken at each race meet. Most wont make you have to pack up and go home.

But this thread was about being able to read race numbers - and if its not possible, exclusions can result.

[Kickaha]

It still has to be on a coloured rectangle or oval 285mm x 235mm.

Actually I don't think my number boards comply because they're a circle not an oval


One of hundreds of tweaks needed to the rules. For instance, the rules say that a board should be shown on the start line for all riders to check their helmets. For road racing this is done on the dummy grid before leaving the pits, but there's no rule to cover doing that.

It's always done at MCI events on the start line

[Grumph]

A lot of meetings run without anybody on the grid so there's nobody there to show the sign. Also, the flaggie that waves the finish flag is too far away at a lot of tracks. Hampton Downs it'd be a shit of a thing to try and see let alone read when you're on the grid.

However, the point is the rules are so full of holes there's not a single road race meeting that's been 100% legal for a very long time.

Now there's a challenge....If I was still involved, I'd be interested. Street race meetings generally in my experience anyway, are run by the book and to the letter. The legal penalties for getting it wrong are so bad that you simply have to dot all the I's etc...

The lack of people on the start line is a side effect of using car systems just because they're in place. We are not compelled to use lights or computerised start sequences. Do some people a lot of good to see a flag start occasionally.

[Rcktfsh]

One of hundreds of tweaks needed to the rules. For instance, the rules say that a board should be shown on the start line for all riders to check their helmets. For road racing this is done on the dummy grid before leaving the pits, but there's no rule to cover doing that.

Dummy grid makes more sense as there is more time for a proper check and riders regularly struggle to complete the warm-up lap without crashing. A case of carrying out the intent of the rule rather than the letter.

Another little issue I can see arising at round 1 of the Suzuki series is tagging of cords warmers etc. At a recent Taupo track day riders were warned tags would be checked at round 1 and on the entry confirmation the rather all encompassing "all electrical goods must have a current electrical safety test tag", all electrical goods potentially means a large number of items from cellphones to coffee machines and in the case of sidecar riders battery operated sexy lady pleaser toys. Correct me if I'm wrong but the initial tagging requirement came from some tracks if you were plugging into their power supply yet now, as is the way in the modern world has spread to Jared Love's battery operated sex doll.

[nodrog]

Dummy grid makes more sense as there is more time for a proper check and riders regularly struggle to complete the warm-up lap without crashing. A case of carrying out the intent of the rule rather than the letter.

Another little issue I can see arising at round 1 of the Suzuki series is tagging of cords warmers etc. At a recent Taupo track day riders were warned tags would be checked at round 1 and on the entry confirmation the rather all encompassing "all electrical goods must have a current electrical safety test tag", all electrical goods potentially means a large number of items from cellphones to coffee machines and in the case of sidecar riders battery operated sexy lady pleaser toys. Correct me if I'm wrong but the initial tagging requirement came from some tracks if you were plugging into their power supply yet now, as is the way in the modern world has spread to Jared Love's battery operated sex doll.

Lucky i cant afford a pit garage, you're welcone to come and plug your ladyboy6000 into my generator. Just make sure mine is charged before you unplug it.

[nodrog]

Actually I don't think my number boards comply because they're a circle not an oval

I've found a $50 note, you're fucked now.

[Rcktfsh]

Lucky i cant afford a pit garage, you're welcone to come and plug your ladyboy6000 into my generator. Just make sure mine is charged before you unplug it.

Just hope you've had yours tagged.

[jellywrestler]

Jared Love's battery operated sex doll.

i bet you've tagged that a few times yourself?

[Voltaire]

Dummy grid makes more sense as there is more time for a proper check and riders regularly struggle to complete the warm-up lap without crashing. A case of carrying out the intent of the rule rather than the letter.

Another little issue I can see arising at round 1 of the Suzuki series is tagging of cords warmers etc. At a recent Taupo track day riders were warned tags would be checked at round 1 and on the entry confirmation the rather all encompassing "all electrical goods must have a current electrical safety test tag", all electrical goods potentially means a large number of items from cellphones to coffee machines and in the case of sidecar riders battery operated sexy lady pleaser toys. Correct me if I'm wrong but the initial tagging requirement came from some tracks if you were plugging into their power supply yet now, as is the way in the modern world has spread to Jared Love's battery operated sex doll.

Its Health and Safety compliance, tracks are business's therefore they have to enforce it.
Leads are annual but other items that are not subject to wear and tear eg coffee machines are 5 years. Chargers for the S/C toys may be annual if they get a lot of hard use.:rolleyes:

I did see mention of only closed footwear in the pits somewhere....AMCC recently?
I only do Classic Racing and helmet check is always done on the dummy grid.

[nodrog]

Its Health and Safety compliance, tracks are business's therefore they have to enforce it.
Leads are annual but other items that are not subject to wear and tear eg coffee machines are 5 years. Chargers for the S/C toys may be annual if they get a lot of hard use.:rolleyes:

I did see mention of only closed footwear in the pits somewhere....AMCC recently?
I only do Classic Racing and helmet check is always done on the dummy grid.

you can buy electrical test tags from bunnings I was told.

And socks are closed footwear.

problems solved.

[steveyb]

Apparently Bunnings offer the testing and tagging service, for a fee.
You cannot just buy tags.

[jellywrestler]

Apparently Bunnings offer the testing and tagging service, for a fee.
You cannot just buy tags.

i'll tag anyone at Taupo and manfeild for the suzuki series gear for free, if they have legal size numbers on their bike..

[jellywrestler]

Its Health and Safety compliance, tracks are business's therefore they have to enforce it.not so, testing and tagging are optional, unless the site owner specifies it as a requirement, it is not the law
Leads are annual depends on what the work site is classified as entirely, some are three monthly, some five yearlybut other items that are not subject to wear and tear eg coffee machines are 5 years.again this vaires depending on the siteChargers for the S/C toys may be annual if they get a lot of hard use.:rolleyes:

I did see mention of only closed footwear in the pits somewhere....AMCC recently?
I only do Classic Racing and helmet check is always done on the dummy grid.
closed footwear is usually for pit lane

[sidecar bob]

i'll tag anyone at Taupo and manfeild for the suzuki series gear for free, if they have legal size numbers on their bike..

Hardly seems fair to single out superbikes to not give a hand too.;)

[Drew]

Christ, there are hundreds of things to tag that come to the track. This'll be fun.

[Voltaire]

closed footwear is usually for pit lane


Interesting about the T and T legality.

Govt site says it not a legal requirement yet vendors say it is....

http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/appliances-fittings/electrical-appliances-fittings/operational-safety/test-tag-regime

https://www.tagtestingelectrical.co.nz/electrical-safety-nz

http://www.complyguy.co.nz/about-test-and-tag/legislation/

Hampton Downs are charging a H and S levy at each meeting, nice couple of grand for __________.

[scrivy]

Interesting about the T and T legality.

Govt site says it not a legal requirement yet vendors say it is....

http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/appliances-fittings/electrical-appliances-fittings/operational-safety/test-tag-regime

https://www.tagtestingelectrical.co.nz/electrical-safety-nz

http://www.complyguy.co.nz/about-test-and-tag/legislation/

Hampton Downs are charging a H and S levy at each meeting, nice couple of grand for __________.


It's not a legal requirement for stores to have a fire extinguisher in them either, but it is usually an insurance requirement. However, it doesn't mean it can be used. Your own H&S policy may exclude you from ever using it.

[Voltaire]

It's not a legal requirement for stores to have a fire extinguisher in them either, but it is usually an insurance requirement. However, it doesn't mean it can be used. Your own H&S policy may exclude you from ever using it.

It was pointed out to me that I have a dry powder fire extinguisher and once you let it off that's it and the powder gets into everything. Messy.

But yes we have Fire Extinguishers and the policy is if you have had not training to leave the building.

[Mental Trousers]

and one of my points is to point these things out and get them written betterer, personally i'd never given a thought to the pit exit being a much more logical place to catch peoples eyes, rather than at the front row of a huge grid....
each track of course is different but that makes a lot more sense.

On the dummy grid makes a lot more sense to me as nobody should be entering the track without confirming everything is zipped/buttoned/clipped. The risk of crashing is often higher on the out lap, just check out any meeting at Taupo during the colder months. One track day and the following race meeting the next day there the first person to leave the pits in the first few sessions crashed at turn 2.



One of hundreds of tweaks needed to the rules. For instance, the rules say that a board should be shown on the start line for all riders to check their helmets. For road racing this is done on the dummy grid before leaving the pits, but there's no rule to cover doing that.

It's always done at MCI events on the start line

Great at meetings where there are people on the start grid, but a lot of meetings run without anyone out there. Also, as above, showing it on the start grid doesn't help if you crash on the warm up. I've been sitting on the start grid with 2 others while everyone behind was red flagged because of a bad crash on the warm up.


Now there's a challenge....If I was still involved, I'd be interested. Street race meetings generally in my experience anyway, are run by the book and to the letter. The legal penalties for getting it wrong are so bad that you simply have to dot all the I's etc...

The lack of people on the start line is a side effect of using car systems just because they're in place. We are not compelled to use lights or computerised start sequences. Do some people a lot of good to see a flag start occasionally.

You're right about Street races generally being much more pedantic about the rules. Getting it wrong can mean someone going to jail.

But, not putting someone on the start grid is often down to not enough volunteers. The start grid is a non-essential position and is not mandated by MNZ, but the number of marshals on each corner is. So if there's no extra volunteers the job doesn't get filled.


Another little issue I can see arising at round 1 of the Suzuki series is tagging of cords warmers etc. At a recent Taupo track day riders were warned tags would be checked at round 1 and on the entry confirmation the rather all encompassing "all electrical goods must have a current electrical safety test tag", all electrical goods potentially means a large number of items from cellphones to coffee machines and in the case of sidecar riders battery operated sexy lady pleaser toys. Correct me if I'm wrong but the initial tagging requirement came from some tracks if you were plugging into their power supply yet now, as is the way in the modern world has spread to Jared Love's battery operated sex doll.

Biggest problem for me is where can you get your gear checked? At certain meetings there's often someone who is certified and running around doing the checks for $20 or so. But I'd rather get it all sorted before going to the track so that's something I don't have to worry about.

[scott411]

going by the normal world, only Jared Love's Battery Charger would have to be tested, the batterys them selves do not have to be tested,

so he will only need to have the battery charger tested and tagged if he needs to recharge them at the track ,

[jellywrestler]

going by the normal world, only Jared Love's Battery Charger would have to be tested, the batterys them selves do not have to be tested,

so he will only need to have the battery charger tested and tagged if he needs to recharge them at the track ,

he's got the new solar powered model i'm told, fucks like a rattlesnake all day long then just like a wife when the suns goes down

[Grumph]

You're right about Street races generally being much more pedantic about the rules. Getting it wrong can mean someone going to jail.

But, not putting someone on the start grid is often down to not enough volunteers. The start grid is a non-essential position and is not mandated by MNZ, but the number of marshals on each corner is. So if there's no extra volunteers the job doesn't get done

Have the rules changed ? A mechanical starting device can be used but only after clearance from an official at the startline area (old 6.6.9a)
Local to me this means the red flag comes off then the computer sequence starts for the lights.

And Marshals - a "sufficient number" (old 3.12)

Crashing on the warmup lap - it's mandated to be under the yellow flag. I'd be issuing suspensions and/or fines.

[Mental Trousers]

Have the rules changed ? A mechanical starting device can be used but only after clearance from an official at the startline area (old 6.6.9a)
Local to me this means the red flag comes off then the computer sequence starts for the lights.

Usually the flaggie that waves the chequered is the one to give the all clear. But they're a way down the track from the start of the grid (the bike grids start further back than the car grids at both HD and Taupo for some reason - transponders maybe?).


And Marshals - a "sufficient number" (old 3.12)

All nice and vague that. The number of marshals required at each track is specified by MNZ and a meeting can't be run if you don't have at least that number of marshals. A start/finish flaggie is also required, even if there's lights. But there's often no start grid marshal at many club meetings.


Crashing on the warmup lap - it's mandated to be under the yellow flag. I'd be issuing suspensions and/or fines.

Last time out I broke my collarbone on the first turn out of the pits and I wasn't doing anything silly. I was on wets on a mostly dry track but still got caught out by a sudden drop in air/track temperature. I've also seen guys crash on the warm up lap cos of a rain shower 30 seconds before the pit exit opened. Suspending or fining people in those instances is very harsh and unwarranted and likely to lead to fewer people on the grid.

[Grumph]

Last time out I broke my collarbone on the first turn out of the pits and I wasn't doing anything silly. I was on wets on a mostly dry track but still got caught out by a sudden drop in air/track temperature. I've also seen guys crash on the warm up lap cos of a rain shower 30 seconds before the pit exit opened. Suspending or fining people in those instances is very harsh and unwarranted and likely to lead to fewer people on the grid.

I'm not sympathetic, sorry. I saw a whole days racing done in light snow at Teretonga - and no one fell on the warmup laps....At several meetings down here it's been stated quite firmly, fall off and you're on the trailer going home. Hasn't reduced entries.

[Kickaha]

It's not a legal requirement for stores to have a fire extinguisher in them either, but it is usually an insurance requirement. However, it doesn't mean it can be used. Your own H&S policy may exclude you from ever using it.

Fully qualified to use one, I did an online module on them, even got a certificate

[Drew]

I'm not sympathetic, sorry. I saw a whole days racing done in light snow at Teretonga - and no one fell on the warmup laps....At several meetings down here it's been stated quite firmly, fall off and you're on the trailer going home. Hasn't reduced entries.

That's fucking retarded. The warm up lap is for warming things up. Ya gotta push on a bit or you're a hazard for the race.

[Grumph]

That's fucking retarded. The warm up lap is for warming things up. Ya gotta push on a bit or you're a hazard for the race.

More correctly - it's a sighting lap. That's why, one year at Wyndham, I gave the pre 63 field an extra sighting lap cos there had been oil spilt and powder laid.
They needed a good look at it.
Most riders don't know how to warm brakes on a sighting lap, Holden had very definite opinions on that. He'd come in complaining of nearly being taken out at the first corner by a muppet who was relying on cold brakes. Tyres aren't such a great problem now.

[Voltaire]

That's fucking retarded. The warm up lap is for warming things up. Ya gotta push on a bit or you're a hazard for the race.

In classic racing its to swerve back and forth under the illusion its warming up what are probably 10 year old tyres :innocent:

[Drew]

More correctly - it's a sighting lap. That's why, one year at Wyndham, I gave the pre 63 field an extra sighting lap cos there had been oil spilt and powder laid.
They needed a good look at it.
Most riders don't know how to warm brakes on a sighting lap, Holden had very definite opinions on that. He'd come in complaining of nearly being taken out at the first corner by a muppet who was relying on cold brakes. Tyres aren't such a great problem now.
Pricks that dawdle round the warm up lap give me the shits.
I dunno what they think they're doing weaving from side to side either. They do it so slow it will be having zero affect.

[Kickaha]

I dunno what they think they're doing weaving from side to side either. They do it so slow it will be having zero affect.

It has zero effect regardless

If you fall off on a warm up lap you're out of that race at least because you need to be scrutineered again and you're a knob (we won't talk about spinning)

[jellywrestler]

even got a certificate i'd dread to think of what else you're certified for, or that you're certified for carrying,,,,

[Mental Trousers]

Last time out I broke my collarbone on the first turn out of the pits and I wasn't doing anything silly. I was on wets on a mostly dry track but still got caught out by a sudden drop in air/track temperature. I've also seen guys crash on the warm up lap cos of a rain shower 30 seconds before the pit exit opened. Suspending or fining people in those instances is very harsh and unwarranted and likely to lead to fewer people on the grid.

I'm not sympathetic, sorry. I saw a whole days racing done in light snow at Teretonga - and no one fell on the warmup laps....At several meetings down here it's been stated quite firmly, fall off and you're on the trailer going home. Hasn't reduced entries.

Funnily enough we see significantly fewer crashes overall when it's wet etc. Crashes on the warm up laps aren't common at all. However, some days at Taupo turn 2 is a shocker. Even knowing that and taking it easy I still crashed (off throttle high side).