MSAC has been busy

[rastuscat]

https://msac.org.nz/news/a-single-point-of-truth/

[Graystone]

Who are they are why are they stating the bleeding obvious? Is it like the AA for motorcyclists?

[russd7]

and sometimes stating the obvious is enough to get people thinking again.
only one that surprised me was number 6,

[FatMax]

Never fear, MAG will fight hard for our rights. Nothing to worry about, they've got this..:lol::lol::lol::tugger::tugger::killingme:ki llingme

[EJK]

Wow actually interesting. #6 Over half of fatal crashes does not involve alcohol, drugs or speed.

[Scuba_Steve]

I heard an add from them the other day
Something has come from the moneys finally it seems but their SPoT is pretty vague in definition & obvious in point

[rastuscat]

Wow actually interesting. #6 Over half of fatal crashes does not involve alcohol, drugs or speed.

Let's apply some KB logic then. If we all get loaded, smoke dope and ride at outrageous speed, less people will die.

[T.W.R]

How many thousands of dollars were sucked up compiling that? surely if they were really concerned about what the figures state wouldn't it have been better to inject those dollars spent into something useful rather than re-skinning their tomtom drums.

[EJK]

Let's apply some KB logic then. If we all get loaded, smoke dope and ride at outrageous speed, less people will die.

Sounds more like Stuff.co.nz comments section logic to me, but hey six of one half a dozen of the other.

[Luckylegs]

Thank Christ. I thought thy were just getting drunk and snorting lines with my $30

...What a bunch of wank!!!!!!

[nzspokes]

Except for scooters they say adventure bikes are the safest and sports bikes are the most dangerous from crash statistics. I would put that down to the tall upright seating position on an adventure bike compared to the much lower crouched position on a sports bike that impairs your periferal vision. Another reason why sports bikes are more dangerous is that they are ridden by Rossi wannabes. You dont buy an adventure bike if you see yourself as a Rossi wannabe. They omitted any statistic about the mid life crisis effect as just because a rider is over 40 or 50 not all are MLC riders who seem to be the most risky group in the older ages as they think they can ride on day 1 of their MLC just as well as they did when they gave up in their late 20s/early 30s. An alternative cure than a motorbike needs to be found for a MLC. I wonder if the drug companies are working on one?

LOL, what a bunch of crap. :killingme

[FJRider]

Let's apply some KB logic then. If we all get loaded, smoke dope and ride at outrageous speed, less people will die.

In the last ten years (or ever) ... how many riders have been known to have died after smoking dope ... and then riding at outrageous speed ... ???

[FJRider]

Wow actually interesting. #6 Over half of fatal crashes does not involve alcohol, drugs or speed.

That doesn't necessarily mean the motorcyclist was at fault ...

According to the statistics .. 1 in 5 accidents are alcohol related. That's 20%.


45% of deaths in private homes in fires are alcohol related. Should we ban fires in private homes ... or ban booze ... ???

[nzspokes]

I guess the truth would hurt if you own a sports bike.

Well take a look at what I own then. :laugh:

[caspernz]

Well take a look at what I own then. :laugh:

Some of us road users refuse to be pigeonholed for we may use a range of vehicles aye Spokes? I wonder where my parachute fits in, would it be deemed transport or a safety device? No dog avoidance technology included haha...:eek5:

[Graystone]

LOL, what a bunch of crap. :killingme

Not quite sure how you could confuse cruisers with sports bikes...



...mind you Suzuki did with the GSXR1250fa

[nzspokes]

Not quite sure how you could confuse cruisers with sports bikes...



...mind you Suzuki did with the GSXR1250fa

Yep, Mines even got Highway pegs. Great comfort even when you are smoking the kids on 600s. :Punk:

[Rcktfsh]

[QUOTE=rastuscat;1131073432]Let's apply some KB logic then. If we all get loaded, smoke dope and ride at outrageous speed, less people will die.[/QU

[Rcktfsh]

Let's apply some KB logic then. If we all get loaded, smoke dope and ride at outrageous speed, less people will die.

Statistically makes sense, to qoute that horsey looking lady that runs the country or something, lets do this.

[Berries]

Yawn.

What am I expected to do with this new found knowledge, wait a few years before riding on rural roads in summer or go back in time until I am under 30 and can cope with a sober driver at an urban intersection on a weekday morning?

I'd rather just get a decent bottle of wine with my $30 thank you very much.

[awayatc]

Let's apply some KB logic then. If we all get loaded, smoke dope and ride at outrageous speed, less people will die.

That can't be less effective then ticketing 5km over speed limit again this summer. .......

[Woodman]

Except for scooters they say adventure bikes are the safest and sports bikes are the most dangerous from crash statistics. I would put that down to the tall upright seating position on an adventure bike compared to the much lower crouched position on a sports bike that impairs your periferal vision. Another reason why sports bikes are more dangerous is that they are ridden by Rossi wannabes. You dont buy an adventure bike if you see yourself as a Rossi wannabe. They omitted any statistic about the mid life crisis effect as just because a rider is over 40 or 50 not all are MLC riders who seem to be the most risky group in the older ages as they think they can ride on day 1 of their MLC just as well as they did when they gave up in their late 20s/early 30s. An alternative cure than a motorbike needs to be found for a MLC. I wonder if the drug companies are working on one?

Periferal vision is the ability to see out the side of your eyes. How does riding an adventure bike affect that?

[rastuscat]

Before you can take action to solve a problem it often helps to understand the problem.

I think the report is a good idea.

[rastuscat]

Periferal vision is the ability to see out the side of your eyes. How does riding an adventure bike affect that?

I've seen some learners getting sports bikes with very forward positions. 1989 CBT250RR, for example.

I've then followed them around and seen how much of a struggle it is to look over your shoulder into your blind spots.

I've ridden a lot of similar clients bikes. I find it harder to maintain lateral awareness on such bikes.

ADV bikes have a more uptight position, and tend to be ridden by people who.might be a little more conservative.

Just some observations.

[Akzle]

Except for scooters they say adventure bikes are the safest and sports bikes are the most dangerous from crash statistics. I would put that down to the tall upright seating position on an adventure bike compared to the much lower crouched position on a sports bike that impairs your periferal vision. Another reason why sports bikes are more dangerous is that they are ridden by Rossi wannabes. You dont buy an adventure bike if you see yourself as a Rossi wannabe. They omitted any statistic about the mid life crisis effect as just because a rider is over 40 or 50 not all are MLC riders who seem to be the most risky group in the older ages as they think they can ride on day 1 of their MLC just as well as they did when they gave up in their late 20s/early 30s. An alternative cure than a motorbike needs to be found for a MLC. I wonder if the drug companies are working on one?

you're a fuckwit

[Akzle]

Let's apply some KB logic then. If we all get loaded, smoke dope and ride at outrageous speed, less people will die.

vote akzle .

[T.W.R]

I've seen some learners getting sports bikes with very forward positions. 1989 CBT250RR, for example.

I've then followed them around and seen how much of a struggle it is to look over your shoulder into your blind spots.

WTF has that got to do with peripheral vision ? You get clients with eyes like Marty Feldman huh? :facepalm:

[Luckylegs]

I have answered this question before on here and I hope it was not you asking it but to give you an idea of what I mean go and climb to the top of a ladder or hill. Are you able to see further than when you are standing on the ground? There was a poster on here who had a not at fault crash on a crusier which are low as well and I posted that he may have been able to swerve to avoid if he had been on a tall adventure bike and he agreed with me but said he was limited to a crusier due to not being tall enough for an adventure bike. For those with sports bikes who are not tall enough for an adventure bike there are many bikes in between some even with sports bike looks with upright bars that will give better periferal vision. I am sure this is the reason why 4WDs are so popular today too being taller than a car.

I simply cant sit around and wait for one of your many admirers, sooo

Youre a fuckwit

[pritch]

I guess the truth would hurt if you own a sports bike.

Your idiocy knows no bounds. Yes he owns a sprotbike but he also owns an adventure bike. Still, reading is not your forte is it?

By the way, some weeks back your "peripheral vision" bollocks was corrected. How come you are bringing that up again? I understand that at high speeds, say in excess of 250kph, peripheral vision can become blurred but otherwise it shouldn't be a problem.


PS You're a fuckwit

[pritch]

Fuckwit yourself If you dont notice any difference in periferal vision going from a sports bike to the height of an adventure bike there is something wrong with your eyes. You may not notice any difference if you climb a ladder or hill either.

As was explained in the previous thread, by a number of people, ladders and hills have got nothing to do with peripheral vision. If you are going to babble on about it at least look up the meaning - and the spelling.

The dicionary in this laptop says "related to, or situated on the edge or periphery of something".

[Moi]

Your idiocy knows no bounds. Yes he owns a sprotbike but he also owns an adventure bike. Still, reading is not your forte is it?

By the way, some weeks back your "peripheral vision" bollocks was corrected. How come you are bringing that up again? I understand that at high speeds, say in excess of 250kph, peripheral vision can become blurred but otherwise it shouldn't be a problem.


PS You're a fuckwit


Fuckwit yourself If you dont notice any difference in periferal vision going from a sports bike to the height of an adventure bike there is something wrong with your eyes. You may not notice any difference if you climb a ladder or hill either.


As was explained in the previous thread, by a number of people, ladders and hills have got nothing to do with peripheral vision. If you are going to babble on about it at least look up the meaning - and the spelling.

The dicionary in this laptop says "related to, or situated on the edge or periphery of something".

This proves, categorically, that in this class of two pupils there was 50% pass rate for this question in the general science exam... "What is peripheral vision?"

[awayatc]

I have answered this question before on here and I hope etc....blah blah

You are a fuckwit

Either that or your mother threw the baby away and raised the afterbirth. ........

[Moi]

I interpret your dicionary definition as to mean what you see on each side while looking straight ahead. The maximum point you can see is the periphery as you state from your dictionary definition.

If I try and use another angle to explain if you are riding a sports bike in a racing crouch and then ride an adventure bike in its normal way, on which bike will you find it easier to see over the traffic in the next lane on a multilane road?


333490....

[Luckylegs]

I interpret your dicionary definition as to mean what you see on each side while looking straight ahead. The maximum point you can see is the periphery as you state from your dictionary definition.

If I try and use another angle to explain if you are riding a sports bike in a racing crouch and then ride an adventure bike in its normal way, on which bike will you find it easier to see over the traffic in the next lane on a multilane road?

Um you are so fuckin ignorant. The normal riding position of the average sports bike from the factory is not a racing crouch.

This notwithstanding i doubt many bikes would leave you high enough to see over the average 4 wheel fleet now its filled with retards in 4x4s like you. Thank christ there are far more reliablr ways of seeing whats ahead than trying to see over the top

Fuckwit

Please tap the brake and put your feet down before you post again. That way you statement might not fall over

[Woodman]

I have answered this question before on here and I hope it was not you asking it but to give you an idea of what I mean go and climb to the top of a ladder or hill. Are you able to see further than when you are standing on the ground? There was a poster on here who had a not at fault crash on a crusier which are low as well and I posted that he may have been able to swerve to avoid if he had been on a tall adventure bike and he agreed with me but said he was limited to a crusier due to not being tall enough for an adventure bike. For those with sports bikes who are not tall enough for an adventure bike there are many bikes in between some even with sports bike looks with upright bars that will give better periferal vision. I am sure this is the reason why 4WDs are so popular today too being taller than a car.

Still doesn't explain how I can see better out the side of my eyes when I ride my adventure bike.

And are you saying that when you drive a 4wd you don't crouch like if you are driving a 2wd car?

[Voltaire]

Except for scooters they say adventure bikes are the safest and sports bikes are the most dangerous from crash statistics. I would put that down to the tall upright seating position on an adventure bike compared to the much lower crouched position on a sports bike that impairs your periferal vision. Another reason why sports bikes are more dangerous is that they are ridden by Rossi wannabes. You dont buy an adventure bike if you see yourself as a Rossi wannabe. They omitted any statistic about the mid life crisis effect as just because a rider is over 40 or 50 not all are MLC riders who seem to be the most risky group in the older ages as they think they can ride on day 1 of their MLC just as well as they did when they gave up in their late 20s/early 30s. An alternative cure than a motorbike needs to be found for a MLC. I wonder if the drug companies are working on one?

333491

As a Sportsbike/scooter/adventure bike/50 rider+ I say STFU.

Go back to listening to Talkback and leave motorcycles to those who enjoy them.

You seem obsessed with Mid Life Crisis's ....sure beats typing drivel on the net.

[Luckylegs]

Um you are so fuckin ignorant. The normal riding position of the average sports bike from the factory is not a racing crouch.

This notwithstanding i doubt many bikes would leave you high enough to see over the average 4 wheel fleet now its filled with retards in 4x4s like you. Thank christ there are far more reliablr ways of seeing whats ahead than trying to see over the top

Fuckwit

Please tap the brake and put your feet down before you post again. That way you statement might not fall over

I was reminded by a kind member about the dogs. Soooo... please while your trail braking and riding like fred flinstone please watch out for dogs, lest your posts be.......

BARKING MAD

[Luckylegs]

Fuckwit yourself if manufacturers of sports bikes did not want them ridden in a racing crouch they would not make them with lowered bars. Sure you can ride them sitting up but from my experience I got sore wrists. I have read of others getting sore wrists riding sportsbikes in an upright position too.

Ive had my fun with you tonight ill leave it to someone else to enlighten you.

God forbid uncle katman crys because im.being mean to you again.

[Voltaire]

Fuckwit yourself if manufacturers of sports bikes did not want them ridden in a racing crouch they would not make them with lowered bars. Sure you can ride them sitting up but from my experience I got sore wrists. I have read of others getting sore wrists riding sportsbikes in an upright position too.

You need one of these, all that typing must be taking it toll.

333506

[Akzle]

from my experience I got sore wrists.

i don't think that's anything to do with bikes :tuggr: :tugger:

you're a fuckwit