Who is really at fault here .. ??

[FJRider]

A motorcycle incident in Christchurch that didn't involve ACC ... could the rider say "Not my fault" ... and claim insurance (if he had any) .. ???


https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/99578057/crash-joke-becomes-reality-when-driver-crashes-into-motorbike-tree

[oldiebutagoody]

I'd say an insurance company would have an "out" because the chain constitutes a "pre existing condition". Chain condition/safety could mean the bike is not up to warrantable standard to be on the road.

[george formby]

I'd say an insurance company would have an "out" because the chain constitutes a "pre existing condition". Chain condition/safety could mean the bike is not up to warrantable standard to be on the road.

Be difficult to prove after being rear ended. If Matthew, surname withheld, is smart, he would say on further investigation he found a stone in it. Seems pretty pragmatic about it.

Cassina, why did you leap to the conclusion speed was a factor in the car drivers visit to the scenery? Lots of dogs in a suburb like that, you know.

[EJK]

Be difficult to prove after being rear ended. If Matthew, surname withheld, is smart, he would say on further investigation he found a stone in it. Seems pretty pragmatic about it.

Cassina, why did you leap to the conclusion speed was a factor in the car drivers visit to the scenery? Lots of dogs in a suburb like that, you know.

Sherlock Cassina at it again :sherlock:

[AllanB]

Sherlock Cassina at it again :sherlock:

I'd say the car was one of a group drive and the one that crashed was going too fast due to trying to keep up - group pressure.

Or a dog ran out in front of the car.

Or the driver had read about the amazing properties of CRC and covered their tyres in it.

Or had been stead fast sure about what line to take on the road and did not deviate from their belief even if a tree got in the way.

Or was on Google maps and realised there was a bridge ahead so took evasive action before being involved in a head on.

Of course they were not at fault.

[ellipsis]

...but there was a muppet involved, shirley...

[Jeeper]

I'd say the car was one of a group drive and the one that crashed was going too fast due to trying to keep up - group pressure.

Or a dog ran out in front of the car.

Or the driver had read about the amazing properties of CRC and covered their tyres in it.

Or had been stead fast sure about what line to take on the road and did not deviate from their belief even if a tree got in the way.

Or was on Google maps and realised there was a bridge ahead so took evasive action before being involved in a head on.

Of course they were not at fault.Don't forget driver training school attendance for the car driver.

[FJRider]

You have not read the story properly if you think there was any fault with the rider. The car driver is clearly at fault as it appears it came around the bend too fast. This situation is no different to when parked cars get hit on the side of the road by muppets. The rider needs to make a claim with the car driver's insurance company.

If the motorcyclists chain was in good condition ... he would not be involved ... thus is his fault ... :shutup:

[FJRider]

I would rule out a dog running out as the car would hit the dog. The driver would have to be not very bright to choose a tree over a dog.

I once saw a woman write her car off ... swerving to avoid a rabbit ... :wacko:

[FJRider]

So what you are saying then if someone parks on the side of the road legally, for any reason and they get hit it is their fault? Going by your warped sense of logic that would apply to getting hit in a mall car park too as it would be your fault for going to the mall??

You cant be at fault if you're not involved. Was parking legally permitted where he stopped .. ??

[FJRider]

I have heard of such stories myself of people putting the life of an animal over them and their passengers. I note on the coments section in the news article someone speculated the driver could have been using their phone.

Obviously ... the woman was incapable of multi-tasking ... ;)

[caspernz]

There be no tea left in this teacup after you folks created a storm in it :laugh::innocent::facepalm::shit::blink:

[FJRider]

It was a legal park as it was a residential street.

Plenty of places in a residential street you are not allowed to park.

He obviously knew it wasn't safe to park there as he was away from the bike ... :shifty:

[george formby]

I have heard of such stories myself of people putting the life of an animal over them and their passengers. I note on the coments section in the news article someone speculated the driver could have been using their phone.

and that is why you earlier posted speed as a factor in the urban excursion?

S.Troll on. YAAF

[FJRider]

There be no tea left in this teacup after you folks created a storm in it :laugh::innocent::facepalm::shit::blink:

I'm more a coffee person actually ... ;)

[awayatc]

I would rule out a dog running out as the car would hit the dog. The driver would have to be not very bright to choose a tree over a dog.

I have a dog....

Loves trees...

Pisses on most if them actually.

[Oscar]

I'd say an insurance company would have an "out" because the chain constitutes a "pre existing condition". Chain condition/safety could mean the bike is not up to warrantable standard to be on the road.

Absolute bollox.
Firstly, there is no such thing as a "pre-existing condition" in a motor vehicle policy, secondly there is no exclusion for a claim caused by a mechanical fault of this nature, thirdly, if the bike was stationary it is the other drivers responsibility to be able to stop in "half the clear distance".

However don't let that stop you from proffering opinions on stuff you obviously know little or nothing about (it is KBer after all).


Ref. Insurance Law Reform Acts

[Katman]

The story is so black and white I dont know why poster 1 started a thread about it.

I think the reason is fairly obvious.

[Akzle]

thanks FJ. for baiting the cockrash. when i first saw thread title i thought "probably c*ssina"...



I would rule out a dog running out as the car would hit the dog. The driver would have to be not very bright to choose a tree over a dog.

you're a fuckwit

[Akzle]

So what you are saying then if someone parks on the side of the road legally, for any reason and they get hit it is their fault? Going by your warped sense of logic that would apply to getting hit in a mall car park too as it would be your fault for going to the mall??

you're a fuckwit

[Akzle]

I have heard of such stories myself of people putting the life of an animal over them and their passengers. I note on the coments section in the news article someone speculated the driver could have been using their phone.

anonymous internet speculation!

it's almost like IRL facts!!!


you're a fuckwit.

[Akzle]

It was a legal park as it was a residential street.

you're a fuckwit

[Akzle]

... I dont know shit

it's because you're a fuckwit

[EJK]

Maybe they have no life outside of debating on this site.

You think so?

[buggerit]

There is speculation the owners Labrador was driving the car?

[FJRider]

There is speculation the owners Labrador was driving the car?

If it was a black (ok .. negro) Labrador ... are our assumptions based on racist beliefs .. ?? :pinch:

[george formby]

If it was a black (ok .. negro) Labrador ... are our assumptions based on racist beliefs .. ?? :pinch:

Black Labs can be snappy and bad tempered but they are honest, effective dogs. It must have been a Chocolate Lab, consistently stupid. The only dog I can think of which would hit a bike and a tree chasing a cat.

[oldiebutagoody]

Absolute bollox.
Firstly, there is no such thing as a "pre-existing condition" in a motor vehicle policy, secondly there is no exclusion for a claim caused by a mechanical fault of this nature, thirdly, if the bike was stationary it is the other drivers responsibility to be able to stop in "half the clear distance".

However don't let that stop you from proffering opinions on stuff you obviously know little or nothing about (it is KBer after all).


Ref. Insurance Law Reform Acts

Have a sense of humour. So obviously bollox.

It is KBer after all.........

move along, nothing to see.

[Murray]

I note on the coments section in the news article someone speculated the driver could have been using their phone.

Sorry didn't pick up on this can you advise where this comment is posted and what it actually said??

Was it this "The guy was obviously just creeping along and not paying attention." which doesn't relate to this incident and doesn't mention cellphone

Agree with you though that its the cars fault as they should have been able to stop within viewing distance

[Akzle]

p

Agree with you though

don't do that. then it will never shut the fuck up, or leave.

and you'll forever be cited as "someone on here once agreed with me that..."

[caseye]

don't do that. then it will never shut the fuck up, or leave.

and you'll forever be cited as "someone on here once agreed with me that..."

Geez Murray, Arksil is right and I for one could never live with seeing your name associated wiht that fucking losing C..t! for what ever reason.
We're home this weekend.
Come on down.

[Murray]

Geez Murray, Arksil is right and I for one could never live with seeing your name associated wiht that fucking losing C..t! for what ever reason.
We're home this weekend.
Come on down.

Would be nice but work duties today - hopefully get out for a bit of a ride tomorrow - both bikes rego'd and warranted now - yahoo

Must say guys at Shaw Motorcycles in Whangarei are great!

[Murray]

I note on the comments section in the news article someone speculated the driver could have been using their phone.


Sorry didn't pick up on this can you advise where this comment is posted and what it actually said??

Was it this "The guy was obviously just creeping along and not paying attention." which doesn't relate to this incident and doesn't mention cellphone

Hello still waiting to see where you have seen "driver could have been using phone" or are you overdoing the make up again??

[FJRider]

Hello still waiting to see where you have seen "driver could have been using phone" or are you overdoing the make up again??

I saw the "Comments are closed" line ... but the quoted line NOT seen ... ;)

[PrincessBandit]

I saw the "Comments are closed" line ... but the quoted line NOT seen ... ;)

Trev, Trev, Trev, it's not tea or coffee you're stirring is it (admittedly something still brown though...):devil2:

[husaberg]

Geez Murray, Arksil is right and I for one could never live with seeing your name associated wiht that fucking losing C..t! for what ever reason.
We're home this weekend.
Come on down.
Case in point

In this instance I think Cassina is pretty much bang on the money.