Outlaw motorcyclists

[Ocean1]

Righto, enough's enough, all you middle aged pricks knock it off, eh?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/99962708/as-road-toll-creeps-up-christmas-holiday-4kmh-speed-tolerance-policy-launches

[awayatc]

Road policing national manager Superintendent Steve Greally is a living example of what happens when you don't chlorinate the gene pool...............

[caspernz]

Time to introduce a tougher licence regime.

Some of us have already passed the Advanced Test...:woohoo:

Others will have to play catch-up, oh hang on, that's frowned upon by some aye?? :brick:

[Autech]

Righto, enough's enough, all you middle aged pricks knock it off, eh?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/99962708/as-road-toll-creeps-up-christmas-holiday-4kmh-speed-tolerance-policy-launches

Love how they keep plowing on with the 4kmph tolerance even though it has done SFA to lower the road toll, its going up FFS!

Wankers.

[Scuba_Steve]

"For years, the police have been telling us that rigid enforcement of speed limits would lower the road toll. In fact, it's gone up," Clive Matthew-Wilson said.

"When are they going to admit they got it wrong?"

Most intelligent thing I think this man has ever said

[Navy Boy]

I inwardly groaned when I saw the title of this article - I'm now glad that I read it though. Some good points made by Mathew Double-Barrel surname bloke.

Ultimately it all starts with the individual involved. No bike/car/truck is dangerous until the nut connects the handlebars/steering wheel and completes the circuit so to speak. Interesting the small number of accidents attributable to speed isn't it? :Police:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Time to introduce a tougher licence regime.

Some of us have already passed the Advanced Test...:woohoo:

Others will have to play catch-up, oh hang on, that's frowned upon by some aye?? :brick:

The only advanced test you've passed, son, is for Alzheimers.

How is any of that shit you're spouting relevant to this topic?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Some good points made by Mathew Double-Barrel surname bloke.


Right, thats it. You can fuck right off. I forbid you from riding a motorcycle ever again. Also, you can give up your man-card.

Repeat after me: Clive Fucktard-McArsehat is a fuckwit and untrustworthy.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Many on here dont want things to change though and the only way to get change is for those who cause crashes to be given bigger penalties with my idea being to raise ACC premiums for all those with an "at fault" history.

So, its the Mirror Universe of ACC? Gotcha.

[Ocean1]

Right, thats it. You can fuck right off. I forbid you from riding a motorcycle ever again. Also, you can give up your man-card.

Repeat after me: Clive Fucktard-McArsehat is a fuckwit and untrustworthy.

Correct. But here's the thing: the epidemic of knee-jerk blamestorming that seems to have begun with the advent of talkback radio and exploded with further development of social media is, in fact to blame itself.

For the corresponding explosion in petty bureaucratic restrictions under which we currently suffer.

Whining about shit is all the excuse civic minded arseholes in positions of "responsibility" need to assume complete control over your life.

The only possible response to which is to completely ignore the pricks. Including the serial posters in "stupid world" who are directly to blame for 99% of it. Fuck Katflap et al.

[caspernz]

The only advanced test you've passed, son, is for Alzheimers.

How is any of that shit you're spouting relevant to this topic?

We can either get upset about how TPTB seem to keep taking the wrong approach, or we can make a positive contribution on an individual basis. I've done the latter...

Education needs enforcement, we don't have enough of either. The right kind that is.

[nzspokes]

Not everyone needs to go to riding school to learn how to slow down as a fine or crash can be a motivator for the example of 40% of motorcycle crashes being due to speed.

I'm sure there are riders that ride just fine with no training but given the amount of crashes you have had and the need to put your foot down on corners, you are far from one of those.

[nzspokes]

Maybe they could make all those riders who give up for 10 years or more have to do a practicle test again since its the MLC group that are most at risk. The best way to avoid being a high risk MLC rider is to not give up riding at all though.

Yet you are too scared to be tested......

[jellywrestler]

Love how they keep plowing on with the 4kmph tolerance even though it has done SFA to lower the road toll, its going up FFS!

Wankers.

how legal is this, we have a government appointed agency to ensure your vehicle is compliant when imported, what is the accuracy requirement there for speedos, if the margin of error is more than 4% then they can't contradict this and apply a tighter margin for enforcement can they?

[EJK]

how legal is this, we have a government appointed agency to ensure your vehicle is compliant when imported, what is the accuracy requirement there for speedos, if the margin of error is more than 4% then they can't contradict this and apply a tighter margin for enforcement can they?

I can already hear someone saying "100kph is not a target".

[EJK]

I only observe the tight tollerance when I know a cop is behind or coming towards me as excessive gazing at the speedo is going to cost far more in a crash than getting a ticket for 10 - 15km over the limit.

Do a quick check once every often, not fucking stare at it.

[nzspokes]

When you have experienced crashes that are the fault of others it is the others that need to be tested. If they had been all my fault I would agree with you it would be a good idea for me to go to riding school.

Still too scared then.....

[Luckylegs]

I noticed when the tollerance has been lowered in the past some people would travel at 45km/hr in town to be sure of not exceeding the tollerance. So on the open road to be safe stick to 95km/hr. I only observe the tight tollerance when I know a cop is behind or coming towards me as excessive gazing at the speedo is going to cost far more in a crash than getting a ticket for 10 - 15km over the limit.

You should get a sportsbike then when youre in the race tuck position you so fondly spout on about you wont have to move your head as far to see the speedo.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I can already hear someone saying "100kph is not a target".

Its like the building code innit.

[FJRider]

how legal is this, we have a government appointed agency to ensure your vehicle is compliant when imported, what is the accuracy requirement there for speedos, if the margin of error is more than 4% then they can't contradict this and apply a tighter margin for enforcement can they?

Official policy ... it is not the requirement of vehicle owners/operators to know what the accuracy of their speedometer is ... but it is the legal responsibility of the vehicle operator to ensure they stay under the speed limits.

Ignorance and/or inability to do this is not a lawful defense.

[ellipsis]

Official policy ... it is not the requirement of vehicle owners/operators to know what the accuracy of their speedometer is ... but it is the legal responsibility of the vehicle operator to ensure they stay under the speed limits.

Ignorance and/or inability to do this is not a lawful defense.

...let's all do 70kph on the highway for the period...see how that fucks up their funding campaign and how many, still fucking die...

[FJRider]

Do a quick check once every often, not fucking stare at it.

It never fails to surprise me ... just how many "experienced" motorcyclists riding their own bike ... do not have the ability to ride consistently at / near the speed limit ... simply by the sound of the revs / wind noise combination.

[Big Dog]

You should get a sportsbike then when youre in the race tuck position you so fondly spout on about you wont have to move your head as far to see the speedo.I used to enjoy doing that on the Hayabusa: pop into a full tuck when passing a particular unmarked car at a steady pace just below the limit... and stay on or below the limit until they get bored.

I'm not normally a troll and don't have anything against police... however there was one particular officer I took great pleasure in doing that to because he had such a hard on for bikes.
After 4 or 5 times he stopped taking the bait.

[FJRider]

...let's all do 70kph on the highway for the period...see how that fucks up their funding campaign and how many, still fucking die...

The knee-jerk policy is on "Dangerous" roads (where muppets continually continue to kill themselves) is to lower the limits. 70 km/hr might end up the new max limit.

Be careful ... statements made in jest etc ...

[HenryDorsetCase]

As I said though I would rather risk getting a speeding ticket than risk an at fault crash which I still would if I got a sports bike despite being able to see the speedo easier.

You are KB's KenM. Thank you for everything.

[FJRider]

When you have experienced crashes that are the fault of others it is the others that need to be tested. If they had been all my fault I would agree with you it would be a good idea for me to go to riding school.

If you learned how to avoid ALL accidents that are not your fault ... there is no need for riding school lessons. If you continue to crash ... you obviously need lessons ...

[Scuba_Steve]

how legal is this, we have a government appointed agency to ensure your vehicle is compliant when imported, what is the accuracy requirement there for speedos, if the margin of error is more than 4% then they can't contradict this and apply a tighter margin for enforcement can they?

Legalities have never bothered Govt before, the whole way the speed scams inforced is illegal

[Autech]

It never fails to surprise me ... just how many "experienced" motorcyclists riding their own bike ... do not have the ability to ride consistently at / near the speed limit ... simply by the sound of the revs / wind noise combination.Cassina wouldn't be able to tell as the wind enters his/her helmet, goes in between the ears and exits the other side.

On my old naked Hyosung when I was bored I used to play round with my body position deliberately leaving my throttle at the same postion to see the effect on the speedo.

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[EJK]

A check more than once every often is required if you have a cop following and you dont want to get pinged though. Actually alternating between looking in my rear view mirror and the speedo is what I do then and I am sure many others do too. If you are unlucky enough to get a bike cop following they will try and ride as far left as possible in the hope they are out of your rear mirror view. I have not been followed by a bike cop since the days of the old MOT luckily. Myself and others have avoided many tickets since the police took over as the number of motorbike cops went way down.

I am lost for words.

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[FJRider]

Sadly I have not got as lucky as you and it is all about luck and not riding school when someone else is at fault. You will only learn that when you are involved in a "not at fault crash" I guess. Just because it hasnt happened to you it does not mean it never will.

My nick-name is not "Lucky" ... and the reason I miss out on most "not at fault" accidents ... is in fact ... NOT due to luck.

But living in a free country ... believe what you like.




Good luck ...

[george formby]

...let's all do 70kph on the highway for the period...see how that fucks up their funding campaign and how many, still fucking die...

lol. That would make you a hoon up here at the moment. It's Mrs Myopia and Tunedout Tourist season. I've seen more slow speed muppetry in the last two weeks than in the last 6 months.
Some prick in a hurry always tries to get past, on your left in the slow vehicle bay, on your right in the face of oncoming traffic, into the car ahead turning right, into the tradies ute crossing the centre line through a corner, into the camper van doing a 16 point turn just around the bend.. It's endlessly fascinating.

The Feds should be targeting low IQ's not high speeds.

[Woodman]

But even the police use the word "luck" to describe how people have escaped without injury from bad crashes rather than say they escaped because they had advanced driver or rider training. Are you saying the police are wrong as well as me in this instance?

Fucktard the police are saying they were lucky to avoid injury. Nothing to do with the crash, in fact they may have caused the crash. :facepalm::facepalm:

[onearmedbandit]

Sadly I have not got as lucky as you and it is all about luck and not riding school when someone else is at fault. You will only learn that when you are involved in a "not at fault crash" I guess. Just because it hasnt happened to you it does not mean it never will.

Put simply, you are dead fucking wrong there son. I've avoided 'other at fault crashes' because my defensive driving course taught me what to look for, others I have known haven't avoided them because of not knowing what to look for. You and your 'it's all about luck' approach can fuck right off.

Even your biggest advocate Katman would agree with that.

[Luckylegs]

As I said though I would rather risk getting a speeding ticket than risk an at fault crash which I still would if I got a sports bike despite being able to see the speedo easier.

Oh that's right, the centrifugal vision thing you reckon you get on a more upright bike







:msn-wink:

[FJRider]

But even the police use the word "luck" to describe how people have escaped without injury from bad crashes rather than say they escaped because they had advanced driver or rider training. Are you saying the police are wrong as well as me in this instance?

You dont need to be lucky (or have advanced driver training) to fasten your seat belt.

You dont need to be lucky to look out for issues that might kill you.

To those that rely on LUCK to save their ass ... I have this to say ...


GOOD LUCK ...

[Murray]

Maybe they could make all those riders who give up for 10 years or more have to do a practicle test again since its the MLC group that are most at risk. The best way to avoid being a high risk MLC rider is to not give up riding at all though.

But taking riding lessons and safety training only increases their belief they are good riders and could be dangerous. Dickhead

[Woodman]

They got lucky in the crash you muppet. For their luck to have nothing to do with the crash they would not have crashed in the first place.

Fucktard that is not what you said. You said the police said they were lucky to avoid injury in a crash. The crash had already happened.:brick::brick: Nothing to do with your theory of luck being a major factor in avoiding crashes in the first place.

yaaf

[FJRider]

A check more than once every often is required if you have a cop following and you dont want to get pinged though.

If a cop is following you ... it usually means he/she just wants to pass you paranoid bitch. Put your left indicator on and pull over. He/she will either pull in behind you or pass you ...

[Scuba_Steve]

Whether its luck avoiding or luck not getting injured in a crash its still luck fucktard!!!!

Well fuck me! who want's some bike gear? apparently it's a pointless, excess to requirement, waste of money. Will consider swaps for rabbits feet & four leaf clovers.
Might as well give up on the riding/driving skills too

[scumdog]

But taking riding lessons and safety training only increases their belief they are good riders and could be dangerous. Dickhead

The same mentality was around when seat-belts came in: 'It will only encourage them to drive recklessly because they know they'll be saved by the seat-belts':weird:

[Navy Boy]

The slight irony here is that advanced training, in my experience at least, has the effect of making you far more aware of your failings as a rider. I'm well and truly aware that the nut connecting the handlebars (ie. Me!) is the limiting factor on any of the bikes I ride.

People stated the same sort of thing when airbags started making an appearance in mainstream cars back in the early 1990s. Something about taking a horse to water comes to mind here...

On a different note I see last night was a particularly bad one for fatals around the country.

Take care out there people. :(

[FJRider]

Only if they have their flashing lights on muppet does it mean they want to stop or pass you.

Police are not required to use the red and blues every time they overtake you paranoid fuckwit.

[FJRider]

If you think about it life in general is all about luck. For example some become millionaires some end up poor some die on the roads some die of cancer some die in earthquakes. No one knows when their luck will run out if they have got lucky in the first place either.

Some keep running over dogs ...

[onearmedbandit]

If you think about it life in general is all about luck. For example some become millionaires some end up poor

I am 100% certain you are just nothing but a troll. I have to believe this because it's easier than believing you are actually this fucking stupid.

[Moi]

Only if they have their flashing lights on muppet does it mean they want to stop or pass you.

NO!

Last week a police car passed me... he didn't have his lights on... but I was in the left lane doing about 10km/h and he was in the right lane doing about 15km/h... :laugh:

[Scuba_Steve]

If you think about it life in general is all about luck. For example some become millionaires some end up poor some die on the roads some die of cancer some die in earthquakes. No one knows when their luck will run out if they have got lucky in the first place either.

You're well over simplifying things, there is what we call "luck" in life but life is not all about luck.
There are self made millionaires which involved many things other than luck
Some people end poor through their own doing & nothing with luck
A lot of road deaths are preventable & thus not luck based but lack of skill/attention
Death in earthquakes is sometimes due to stupidity or mistake again not always luck

You can't just write everything off to "luck", "luck is a small part of life at whole

[EJK]

If you think about it life in general is all about luck. For example some become millionaires some end up poor some die on the roads some die of cancer some die in earthquakes. No one knows when their luck will run out if they have got lucky in the first place either.

If you rely on luck so much then why are you even a Christian?

[Navy Boy]

I'm reading an interesting book at the moment by a chap called Matthew Syed called 'Bounce'. Have a read of that if you think that life, and the way it turns out for you, is about luck.

Perhaps some people simply seek to quaff that heady elixir (Look it up Cassina. Low income doesn't need to mean low IQ.) of risk on a daily basis. I don't count myself as one of them. :bleh:

I'm starting to enjoy this Forum lark!

[T.W.R]

If you think about it life in general is all about luck.

Look how unlucky KB has become with having to put up with your demented arrogance :facepalm:

[Viking01]

I am 100% certain you are just nothing but a troll. I have to believe this because it's easier than believing you are actually this fucking stupid.

While I understand the principle of Occam's Razor (and your assertion that it
apply here), it should not in any way preclude the possibility of both conditions
applying concurrently.

[Scuba_Steve]

A lot of road deaths are preventable but only if the number of people at fault ever dropped but that number will grow with population growth and weak punishment. The more time you spend on the road the greater the chance of your luck running out.
You would be lynched if you ever came to ChCh and suggested people died in the earthquake here due to stupidity.
There is no guarantee you will not be stupid enough to die in the next earthquake yourself as they happen without warning did you know unlike a tsunami where a warning can be given and some stupid people head to the beach anyway.

You do know "luck running out" is just an expression & not literal ay?
Also the word "sometimes" means occasionally, infrequent, not all the time

[SVboy]

A lot of road deaths are preventable but only if the number of people at fault ever dropped but that number will grow with population growth and weak punishment. The more time you spend on the road the greater the chance of your luck running out.
You would be lynched if you ever came to ChCh and suggested people died in the earthquake here due to stupidity.
There is no guarantee you will not be stupid enough to die in the next earthquake yourself as they happen without warning did you know unlike a tsunami where a warning can be given and some stupid people head to the beach anyway.

Priceless, you could not make this stuff up! Epic thread drift, from outlaw bikers to KB regulars feeding a Hillmorton Hospital graduate!
Imagine the phone calls Cassina makes to Lifeline, ACC, talkback radio etc!

[SVboy]

Only if they have their flashing lights on muppet.

I have never seen a Police car using "muppet" mode with their flashing lights! Priceless!

[FJRider]

I have read.

BULLSHIT ... !!!

It's been proven time and time again ... you can't read.

[FJRider]

If you rely on luck so much then why are you even a Christian?

GOD will keep HER safe. Just a pity the dogs she kills aren't christian's too ... (just bad luck for them I think :shifty:)

[george formby]

GOD will keep HER safe. Just a pity the dogs she kills aren't christian's too ... (just bad luck for them I think :shifty:)

Yeah, poor dogs. When they get a whiff of someone they know is an arsehole they act on instinct and go for them, very admirable. Sadly, they too often get run over for doing a good deed.

And this whole "luck" thing smacks of a belief in predestination. Check out the road toll in countries where the dominant religion is based on life being preordained, mapped out, unchangeable. Absolutely murderous.

Feeling lucky today Siriwat?

Oops, I just fed the troll a cupcake. Sorry.

[FJRider]

Yeah, poor dogs. When they get a whiff of someone they know is an arsehole they act on instinct and go for them, very admirable. Sadly, they too often get run over for doing a good deed.

And this whole "luck" thing smacks of a belief in predestination. Check out the road toll in countries where the dominant religion is based on life being preordained, mapped out, unchangeable. Absolutely murderous.

Feeling lucky today Siriwat?

Oops, I just fed the troll a cupcake. Sorry.

The Buddhist's in Thailand place a small budda amulet in their mouths so Buddha will protect them to protect his image. Muslims just say a prayer to Allah ... and if Allah wants them alive ... so be the will of Allah.

Christians have a similar scheme to the Muslims .. funny that ..

It's the atheists that you have to worry about ... ;)

[Ocean1]

Yeah, poor dogs. When they get a whiff of someone they know is an arsehole they act on instinct and go for them, very admirable. Sadly, they too often get run over for doing a good deed.

And this whole "luck" thing smacks of a belief in predestination. Check out the road toll in countries where the dominant religion is based on life being preordained, mapped out, unchangeable. Absolutely murderous.

Feeling lucky today Siriwat?

Oops, I just fed the troll a cupcake. Sorry.

None of my imaginary friends allow that particular excuse.

But I'm still OK with roughly the current trade-off between road transport advantages vs disadvantages. I mean, when was the last time anyone rounded up the cost of NOT using road transport? And why not? How can you even have a discussion about road safety that doesn't involve the benefits of the system, or the costs of the alternatives? I'd suggest we could kill and maim a hell of a lot more than we currently do without making more than an insignificant dent in the cost of not using your car ever again.

Which rolls nicely into my pet bitch about teh feds closing roads for fucking hours after a minor incident, waiting for fuck knows what, often costing tens of thousands of hours of everyone else's time, all in the name of the fanatical pursuit of the vanishingly small end of the diminishing returns on hugely discredited road safety "initiatives". Get the fucking car off the road, hose the worst of the blood off of it and get out of the fucking way ffs.

[Murray]

I have read that having ABS brakes creates overconfidence too. There are many stories in the media that having a MLC gives you a sense of being over confident too with respect to choice of bike.

please provide links

[FJRider]

please provide links

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/184289-Outlaw-motorcyclists/page4?p=1131076994#post1131076994

:innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent: :innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent: :innocent::innocent::innocent::innocent:

[awayatc]

But as long as I was not going below the speed limit they would never need to pass unless in an emergency as they would not be wanting to be seen by the public speeding now would they? They do actually get speeding tickets like everyone else did you know. Paraniod Fuckwit yourself.


You are allowed to carry a rifle and shoot anybody more stupid and annoying then you. ...


Honestly.

[granstar]

Less to do with speed, more to do with impatience and inattention (crunts with one hand on wheel, one hand on phone or scratching balls) I observe daily. Had a few cars pull out from side roads (Give ways) right in front of me ( as I ride defensively and watching for idjiots like this so avoid custard), then they either pull over realising the error or drive slowly on in ignorance as they gain momentum. Rather than don't speed, what about slow down, look, and think!

[Ghost Lemur]

I have read that having ABS brakes creates overconfidence too. There are many stories in the media that having a MLC gives you a sense of being over confident too with respect to choice of bike.You can provide references for that obviously? Otherwise you're just spouting bullshit as fact.

My bike has ABS and it's never engaged (other than practicing emergency stopping), why, because like all safety equipment it's for an emergency. Whereas training, revision and courses help put you in a position where you're less likely you need emergency aids.

I'd happily pay for you to do the gold course with Pete @ Dan Ornsby Motorcycle Training. If Pete reports back that's you're all that and have nothing to work on then I'll believe you're the rider that you say you are.

I doubt you'll take me up on my offer though.

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[nzspokes]

If you are offering to pay for riding lessons to people on here why not offer them to learner riders as I have been riding for over 40 years and have only come off once where going to riding school may have saved me and that was when I was a learner rider. In all the times when I have come off as a result of the fault of others going to a riding school would not have helped as its them that decides the proximity and speed when they screw up. I dont care if you think having ABS encourages over confidence or not but to give you a clue as to where I read it it was from a UK or European study of car drivers who had crashed with ABS.

LOL, still a coward then.

[FJRider]

... as its them that decides the proximity and speed when they screw up.

Have you not considered that it is you that decides your speed ... and you decide your proximity to them ... at ALL times on the road ... ???

[Moi]

Have you not considered that it is you that decides your speed ... and you decide your proximity to them ... at ALL times on the road ... ???

No, can't do that...

that means you're taking responsibility for yourself and thinking about what you're doing...

Can't have any of that happening! :shit:

[T.W.R]

So if you are calling me a coward for not going that must make you a hero for going then? One day you may learn however that what you have been taught is worth sweet fuck all if someone else screws up so close to you that there is no time to brake or swerve.

Something in the grand scale of things you know sweet fuck all about yourself!!

Empty Vessels make the most Noise!

[Navy Boy]

As the Desiderata says, 'Avoid loud and aggressive persons for they are vexatious to the soul...'. Another one for you to look up Cassina. I'm not even charging for this education I'm giving you either - Wow!

Saying that you've nothing to learn makes you the most dangerous element in nearly any argument. Over the years with the training I've done with the IAM, both here and in the UK, the biggest hurdle one had to overcome was admitting that you needed to keep an open mind and learn. A bit like a parachute, minds work well when opened up.

As a group motorcyclists can sometimes be their own worst enemy because of this. Not everything is always someone else's fault - Realise this and you're well on your way to being part of the solution rather than the problem.

:niceone:

[nzspokes]

So if you are calling me a coward for not going that must make you a hero for going then? One day you may learn however that what you have been taught is worth sweet fuck all if someone else screws up so close to you that there is no time to brake or swerve.

I'm calling you a coward for not being able to back up the bullshit you spout.

Coward.

[Luckylegs]

So what you are suggesting then is I become a road hog like what you are no doubt so I have more time to brake or swerve? I read a few days ago some news that will delight you that due to the increased road toll the govt is looking at lowering speed limits which will give "everyone" more time to brake or swerve if someone else screws up. In the CBD in ChCh they have lowered the speed limit by 20km/hr so if thats rolled out across the country 100km limits will become 80.

Ummmm - youve said that people screw up when your too close to brake or swerve. How has your speed got anything to do with that you silly silly bint

[Woodman]

So what you are suggesting then is I become a road hog like what you are no doubt so I have more time to brake or swerve? I read a few days ago some news that will delight you that due to the increased road toll the govt is looking at lowering speed limits which will give "everyone" more time to brake or swerve if someone else screws up. In the CBD in ChCh they have lowered the speed limit by 20km/hr so if thats rolled out across the country 100km limits will become 80.

Fucktard thats in the cbd. Its probably got more to do with keeping pedestrians safe.

[caspernz]

As the Desiderata says, 'Avoid loud and aggressive persons for they are vexacious to the soul...'. Another one for you to look up Cassina. I'm not even charging for this education I'm giving you either - Wow!

Saying that you've nothing to learn makes you the most dangerous element in nearly any argument. Over the years with the training I've done with the IAM, both here and in the UK, the biggest hurdle one had to overcome was admitting that you needed to keep an open mind and learn. A bit like a parachute, minds work well when opened up.

As a group motorcyclists can sometimes be their own worst enemy because of this. Not everything is always someone else's fault - Realise this and you're well on your way to being part of the solution rather than the problem.

:niceone:


You sound like another poster on here that needs to experience a not at fault crash before you will understand me. Even the statistics say not all motorcycle crashes are the fault of motorcyclists. So what your riding school has taught you about being able to control all possible crash situations is crap. If you want to preach riding school training why not divert your energy to all those with a history of being at fault? They are the ones that need the schooling not those not at fault otherwise all those with an at fault history will remain in control on the road.

Some of us know this Navy Boy, he's done his time learning additional skills. And kudos to him for keeping an open mind.

The hollow sound coming from cassina is quite boring though, for it truly is the stuck needle on an old record. Nobody at any point has suggested taking additional training will render you bullet proof. Anticipation and situational awareness on the roads can be taught. Bit like when you see the storm clouds rolling in, you know it's going to rain. So you take action. Same on the roads, see a situation developing, do something about it. But yeah, with the cassina outlook, maybe skydiving isn't a good hobby for you? Then again...:shutup:

[Luckylegs]

Dont worry as I said the govt is looking at lowering speed limits so everyone will have more time to brake or swerve.
You sound like another road hog to ensure you always travel slow enough to brake or swerve if anything happens.

Pray tell, how will going slower give you more time to brake or swerve. What if your going eighty instead off a hundred but the at fault motorist scews up half a second later. Same nett result surely.

[ellipsis]

shit logic


...fuckwit...

[Woodman]

Not just pedestrians but everyone will be safer when the limits are lowered across the country fucktard yourself.

Fucktard I think that the rider training* teaches riders to be aware of potential hazards and slow down if and when required instead of just blindly ride at the limit all the time in a "it can't be my fault I am riding within the law" utopia like I assume you are in.

* I have never done any rider training

[Navy Boy]

Like I said. Vexatious to the soul... :cool:

[FJRider]

So what you are suggesting then is I become a road hog like what you are no doubt so I have more time to brake or swerve? I read a few days ago some news that will delight you that due to the increased road toll the govt is looking at lowering speed limits which will give "everyone" more time to brake or swerve if someone else screws up. In the CBD in ChCh they have lowered the speed limit by 20km/hr so if thats rolled out across the country 100km limits will become 80.

Nope. Quite the opposite. Someone following too close ... pull over and let them pass. If you are too close to the one in front ... slow for a bit and give them more room then resume your speed to match theirs until you can overtake safely (speed limits permitting). If oncoming traffic is close to the centerline ... move a bit to your left (in your lane).

[Woodman]

I dont live in a its not my fault utopia like you think as I do slow down and leave a longer following distance if its wet (as an example) but unlike you I have not needed to go to riding school to learn that. Experience has been my teacher. I could say you are a fucktard for not being bright enough to not need to go to riding school.

Fucktard I haven't been to rider school like I stated.

[Woodman]

but unlike you I have not needed to go to riding school to learn that. Experience has been my teacher. I could say you are a fucktard for not being bright enough to not need to go to riding school.


Fucktard you just called yourself a fucktard.:first::first:

[FJRider]

So if you are calling me a coward for not going that must make you a hero for going then? One day you may learn however that what you have been taught is worth sweet fuck all if someone else screws up so close to you that there is no time to brake or swerve.

I'd call you a fuckwit. If you learned from your mistakes ... there would be time. GIVE OTHER TRAFFIC PLENTY OF ROOM.

[FJRider]

Fucktard you just called yourself a fucktard.:first::first:

English is it's second language ... ;)

[FJRider]

Lowering the speed limit wont prevent all crashes but as the saying goes the faster you go the less time there is to react if shit happens. That would be the govt logic for wanting a lower speed I guess.

When traffic slows ... the gap between vehicles tends to get closer.

[george formby]

English is it's second language ... ;)

That high up? I thought the troll posted through google translate, gibberish = simpleton.

[pritch]

40% of motorcycle crashes being due to speed.

You'd have to be soft in the head to believe that. In Britain,where they drive on the same side of the road as us, and which is a similar society, although the roads may be busier, speed is ranked seventh as a cause of accidents. I don't know, but strongly suspect, that the Police here do not even consider the other potential causes.

When I hear a police spokesperson after a bad weekend parrot, "speed and alcohol were factors" I wonder what the other factors were. Like perhaps any of the six that rank higher than speed in Britain?

If I was being polite I'd suggest the police need training.

[FJRider]

But the effect of any impact is less which maybe the reason why they are thinking of lowering the limit. All those on here not wanting a higher penalty for those at fault will no doubt prefer a lower speed limit to having a greater fear of ever being found at fault I guess. Maybe if the lower speed limits don't work harsher penalties for those at fault will be tried.

The thing is ... the accident rate wont drop ... just the severity of the result of those accidents.

Penalties for causing an injury accident are the same ... regardless of the speeds involved. Although you might be less likely to get a dangerous driving charge (as opposed to a mere careless driving charge) at lower speeds (Still possible though).

Closer distances apart at slower speeds will still mean not a lot of time to avoid a collision when push comes to shove ... (pun intended)

However ... even at the slower speeds ... it is still highly likely that motorcyclists will still die in some accidents.

Feeling lucky ... ???

[FJRider]

That high up? I thought the troll posted through google translate, gibberish = simpleton.

I was being kind ... ;)

[caspernz]

Your riding school has you well and truly deluded as STUATIONS DO NOT ALL DEVELOP AT THE SAME SPEED YOUR RIDING SCHOOL THINKS, OTHERWISE THERE WOULD BE ZERO ROAD DEATHS AS "EVERYONE" WILL ALWAYS HAVE TIME TO BRAKE OR SWERVE.

Feel free to shout as loud as you will, no bother to me. After all, it's your record player that just keeps playing the same old tune.

The amusing thing remains that it's not about a riding school at all, it's about using an open minded approach to riding. Nobody ever suggested using advanced rider training would make a rider infallible, that's just how you choose to interpret it.

But hey, we'll happily keep calling your bullshit out for what it is, after all it's not like your skills have been weighed and measured against an international standard. :wacko:

[Woodman]

If you think international standards are better than ours you are deluded there as well due to the fact a lot of crashes are also caused by drivers from other countries and if their standards were better than ours international drivers would not cause crashes.

Fucktard, oh my fucking god that has surely got to be the most fucking stupid thing you have ever fucking said. Its almost like you are replying to a completely different post.

[caspernz]

If you think international standards are better than ours you are deluded there as well due to the fact a lot of crashes are also caused by drivers from other countries and if their standards were better than ours international drivers would not cause crashes.

Ok I'll elaborate. So some of us on here have partaken in Advanced Rider training, just so happens to be done by an international organisation, using a recognized approach. But by all means twist what I said to suit your deluded way of thinking. The tourist driver problem is real, just a shame the media blow it out of proportion. Our local drivers are pretty damn shocking too, just not enough noise made about it.


Its all very well to say new things to cut road accidents wont work but all initiatives are worth trying considering all those who attack ideas including yourself on here are unable to come up with anything better.

The simplest approach one can make to improving road safety is to become the best driver/rider one can be. Backed up by meaningful enforcement. Engineering solutions in the form of safer roads, safer cars, lower speeds etc are easier to sell to Joe Public than making them do a defensive driving course though. Here it turns into a political problem.

Whenever I take a prospective driver for our trucking outfit for a test drive, I do a casual walk around of the car he/she rolled up in. It tells an interesting story...:brick:

[FJRider]

Its all very well to say new things to cut road accidents wont work but all initiatives are worth trying considering all those who attack ideas including yourself on here are unable to come up with anything better.

The NZTA initiative is not to try and "cut road accidents" ... it's to try and reduce road DEATHS. Get with the program FUCKWIT ...

[ellipsis]

...this sick cunt is getting her jollies from this shit...cut her joys to zilch by not giving it words it can't comprehend but still has to spew on ...call it the cunt, that it is and that should suffice...ya sick cunts...

[granstar]

As the Desiderata says, 'Avoid loud and aggressive persons for they are vexatious to the soul...'. Another one for you to look up Cassina. I'm not even charging for this education I'm giving you either - Wow!

Saying that you've nothing to learn makes you the most dangerous element in nearly any argument. Over the years with the training I've done with the IAM, both here and in the UK, the biggest hurdle one had to overcome was admitting that you needed to keep an open mind and learn. A bit like a parachute, minds work well when opened up.

As a group motorcyclists can sometimes be their own worst enemy because of this. Not everything is always someone else's fault - Realise this and you're well on your way to being part of the solution rather than the problem.

:niceone:

Valid, life is a box of roses ( Quote); http://www.dailyedge.ie/roses-ranking-cadbury-1828456-Dec2014/

It is the attitude of the person opening the box that counts.

[granstar]

Dont worry as I said the govt is looking at lowering speed limits so everyone will have more time to brake or swerve.
You sound like another road hog to ensure you always travel slow enough to brake or swerve if anything happens.

We have a new Govt. try and keep up please.

https://nzta.govt.nz/about-us/consultations/archive/110kmh-speed-management-consultation/

[granstar]

But the effect of any impact is less which maybe the reason why they are thinking of lowering the limit. All those on here not wanting a higher penalty for those at fault will no doubt prefer a lower speed limit to having a greater fear of ever being found at fault I guess. Maybe if the lower speed limits don't work harsher penalties for those at fault will be tried.

Guess...? facts or its bullshit.

[granstar]

...this sick cunt is getting her jollies from this shit...cut her joys to zilch by not giving it words it can't comprehend but still has to spew on ...call it the cunt, that it is and that should suffice...ya sick cunts...

Applauding that implication on the ctupid sunts spurious shilly shally. Thank You and have a safe riding festive break to all :scooter:

[FJRider]

Deaths happen as a result of accidents FUCKWIT yourself.

Then you wont die in your sleep then FUCKWIT ...

[buggerit]

Its all very well to say new things to cut road accidents wont work but all initiatives are worth trying considering all those who attack ideas including yourself on here are unable to come up with anything better.

To right, I suggest everyone wear coarse wool underwear as the itch factor will keep you alert.:shit::brick:

[Luckylegs]

Its all very well to say new things to cut road accidents wont work but all initiatives are worth trying considering all those who attack ideas including yourself on here are unable to come up with anything better.

ok, I've got one. Mandatory 'riding school' training for all motorcyclists involved in an accident REGARDLESS of fault. Worth considering right???

[veldthui]

Righto, enough's enough, all you middle aged pricks knock it off, eh?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/99962708/as-road-toll-creeps-up-christmas-holiday-4kmh-speed-tolerance-policy-launches

Increased presence, what a joke. Tried to flag a cop down after a bottle was thrown at my car. All caught on dashcam and I was speeding behind him to catch up, flashing my lights, waving, blew through a stop sign right behind him and the useless dickhead just ignored me. Had to call the call center in the end.

[granstar]

Happened to a mate recently traveling along ( I was passenger), a cop in front of a van ahead that was crossing the centre line blatantly into path of trucks (did thrice, and no was not a foreigner, a Kiwi). *555 was called then some k's down the road the cop u turned back behind said idjot and pulled it over( it does work). Was a bit unnerving cop may have been too busy dusting donut crumbs to look in the rear view mirror occasionally?

[granstar]

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[kiwi cowboy]

...let's all do 70kph on the highway for the period...see how that fucks up their funding campaign and how many, still fucking die...

Now now Neil your only saying that so you can keep up with the traffic:bleh::bleh:

[EJK]

An unlicensed motorcyclist fled police at speed only to crash into a motorcycle dealership.

The 38-year-old rider was left with serious injuries after losing control and smashing through the Te Awamutu motorcycle store on Tuesday night.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/102805373/fleeing-rider-crashes-into-motorcycle-dealership-in-waikato


Nice chicken strips

[Banditbandit]

Thus forum is dead and buried ..

[scumdog]

Happened to a mate recently traveling along ( I was passenger), a cop in front of a van ahead that was crossing the centre line blatantly into path of trucks (did thrice, and no was not a foreigner, a Kiwi). *555 was called then some k's down the road the cop u turned back behind said idjot and pulled it over( it does work). Was a bit unnerving cop may have been too busy dusting donut crumbs to look in the rear view mirror occasionally?


Yeah well it does work sometimes.
:yes:
Trouble is the info gets a tad distorted/vague (Chinese whisper?) by the time the cop gets it.

[Virago]

I'm starting to enjoy this Forum lark!:lol:

Like this guy?


...I'm starting to enjoy this Forum lark!

[Navy Boy]

Like this guy?

I guess so! :laugh:

[Fisher]

It seems to me that what matters is not speed itself, but the pleasure of speed.

[ellipsis]

It seems to me that what matters is not speed itself, but the pleasure of speed.

...getting home is an up there priority too...as fast as you can, sometimes...:scooter:

[FJRider]

No matter what the target has to be very important in terms of how many miles there has to be.

It's the difference between enjoying it within the law ... and enjoying it in spite of the law.


Death can spoil both groups enjoyment.


Death occurs when one party does it wrong.


Speeding isn't always the cause of death ... it can just turn a bad situation into ... a fatal situation.


Calling it luck (or skill) is the survivors call. The honest one's call it luck.

[actungbaby]

It seems to me that what matters is not speed itself, but the pleasure of speed.Yes bit omph feels great , but at nearly 60 .seeing attitudes on the road.
When came back to bikes, i decided to enjoy the moment.

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