Them dangerous group rides...

[caspernz]

It's a hot button topic I know, but today I went on a group ride :shit::shit::shit::shit:

No dogs were harmed :blink::woohoo::blink::woohoo:

We used forward observation, situational awareness, good positioning and SSV, made good progress, did some overtakes even :laugh::confused::laugh::confused:

No speeding tickets, although I did go thru a booze bus stop late today :bleh::eek::bleh::Police::bleh::eek::Police:

There were no evasive actions required, we must have been lucky :facepalm::shutup::sunny::facepalm::shutup::sunny:

Never had to think about putting a foot down mid corner, even though I've been reading somewhere this would be an excellent idea :violin::2guns::violin::2guns:

What just didn't make sense is how all the stuff I've read somewhere, or heard about on the yootoobs, never happened to us :laugh::jerry::laugh::jerry::apumpin::no:

My biggest hurdle right now is whether to have a beer or do some more homework :drinknsin:second::Offtopic::bye:

[Akzle]

holy fuck. you survived.

i'd stock up on lotto tickets, were i you.

haven't you maybe seen heard once read somewhere saw a video that possibly maybe perhaps tells everyone else (you) they(you)'re wrong??

[Grumph]

Congratulations....and I'm jealous as hell. You can go on a ride without the chance of encountering the dreaded Cassina....

We Canterbury residents have to watch carefully for someone putting their feet down on corners - and dodging dogs.

[caspernz]

Yes I know chaps, it's a flamin' miracle alright. I picked up a Lotto ticket on the way home Akzle, will let you know on Sunday whether it was lucky, or if I used up all my luck on the ride...

It would indeed be nerve wracking living in cassina territory, for you'd need to be really really lucky to make your way thru a ride...but you do have some good riding skools and instructors on your patch :2thumbsup

[TheDemonLord]

Thou art truly a motorcyclying Deity,

All hail Caspernz - the Patron Saint of Group rides

[Katman]

And off we go on one more little KB circle jerk wankfest.

[oldrider]

It would appear then that the safest way to enjoy a group ride is to leave your bike at home! :whistle: (sigh) :ride:

[Blackbird]

Yes I know chaps, it's a flamin' miracle alright. I picked up a Lotto ticket on the way home Akzle, will let you know on Sunday whether it was lucky, or if I used up all my luck on the ride...

It would indeed be nerve wracking living in cassina territory, for you'd need to be really really lucky to make your way thru a ride...but you do have some good riding skools and instructors on your patch :2thumbsup

Rob, you're a naughty lad - go and stand in the corner :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Swoop]

This "Fake News" shit is getting out of hand!

[Woodman]

And off we go on one more little KB circle jerk wankfest.

You will have to up your game if you want to be the centre of any circlejerks in the future because cassina is in another league compared to you.

[R650R]

It's a hot button topic I know, but today I went on a group ride :shit::shit::shit::shit:

No dogs were harmed :blink::woohoo::blink::woohoo:

We used forward observation, situational awareness, good positioning and SSV, made good progress, did some overtakes even :laugh::confused::laugh::confused:



A suspected training ride is not your average 'group ride' as everyone is on the same page.... nice troll attempt though... ;)

[Moi]

:jerry:...

[WALRUS]

Waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle waffle

... Well it was fun while it lasted

[pritch]

There is a road in the North Is called The Takas (I think) that also attracts crazy group riders from what I have read.

You read wrong. Again.

The Rimutaka Hill road is a very short and insignificant ride and recent "improvements" have made it even less interesting. The main attraction for Wellington riders is that it's almost on their door step. It really doen't justify inclusion on anybody's list of top rides.

[mrchips]

We used forward observation, situational awareness, good positioning and SSV, made good progress, did some overtakes even

What is all this forward observation, situational awareness & SSV you speak of ?...... how on earth do you manage to wave to other bikers with all that going on.

Honestly.. is this some new age fandangle cappuccino latte superpower ?

[Katman]

You read wrong. Again.

The Rimutaka Hill road is a very short and insignificant ride and recent "improvements" have made it even less interesting. The main attraction for Wellington riders is that it's almost on their door step. It really doen't justify inclusion on anybody's list of top rides.

And yet it's still claimed plenty of 'victims'.

[Akzle]

So you went on a civilised group ride? If it was your very first you did indeed get lucky as they are not all the same especially on the road between ChCh and Akaroa. The forecast for Sunday in ChCh is fine so I bet all the crazy group riders will be out on that road and I bet none of them would have been spooked by the motorcycle death on the road last Sunday. There is a road in the North Is called The Takas (I think) that also attracts crazy group riders from what I have read.

you're a fuckwit

[caspernz]

So you went on a civilised group ride? If it was your very first you did indeed get lucky as they are not all the same especially on the road between ChCh and Akaroa. The forecast for Sunday in ChCh is fine so I bet all the crazy group riders will be out on that road and I bet none of them would have been spooked by the motorcycle death on the road last Sunday. There is a road in the North Is called The Takas (I think) that also attracts crazy group riders from what I have read.

Nah, not my first. But it is my choice to ride with those who have a certain standard or at least attitude.



A suspected training ride is not your average 'group ride' as everyone is on the same page.... nice troll attempt though... ;)

Whether it be a training ride with 3 to 5 riders, or a social outing with a dozen or more, doesn't really matter. I'm countering the blanket notion expressed by some that all group rides are dangerous.



You read wrong. Again.

The Rimutaka Hill road is a very short and insignificant ride and recent "improvements" have made it even less interesting. The main attraction for Wellington riders is that it's almost on their door step. It really doen't justify inclusion on anybody's list of top rides.

Every town has a local scratchers' road, for Wellington the Rimutaka Hill certainly used to fit that description. Chch has the Akaroa GP. So in that sense, whilst the Rimutakas are only a brief stretch of road the number of incidents is relatively high. Just like the Akaroa GP



What is all this forward observation, situational awareness & SSV you speak of ?...... how on earth do you manage to wave to other bikers with all that going on.

Honestly.. is this some new age fandangle cappuccino latte superpower ?

Oh it's in a book that I put under my pillow. Learning by osmosis is the new way :sunny::sunny:



It's still claimed plenty of 'victims'.

As does any favourite stretch of road for those who choose to ride beyond their ability.
Thanks for the red rep by the way, just lucky I'm not hanging out for approval on KB, merely stemming the tide of BS that comes from one corner. Over and over and over and over...:yawn:

[Katman]

Thanks for the red rep by the way

Cry me a fucking river.

[T.W.R]

Cry me a fucking river.

Get back to the kitchen....your cannabis muffins are burning :finger:

[Akzle]

It would have been some years back on here that it was said that road was popular with group riders. Maybe Wellington group riders will just have to come south to relive their past thrills on the ChCh to Akaroa Rd.

you're a fuckwit

[Akzle]

I remember there was a story in the media a year or so ago about a guy that died on that road
and a reported coment from a mate said he was a "good" rider but that would not be the case if they were
at fault though.

you're a fuckwit

[Katman]

Get back to the kitchen....your cannabis muffins are burning

My baking is never anything but perfect. :finger:

[Madness]

My baking is never anything but perfect. :finger:

I can vouch for this.

[T.W.R]

My baking is never anything but perfect. :finger:

That's what you getting using cabbage, though most of you conspiracy theorists are wackjobs living a world of delusion

[nzspokes]

It's a hot button topic I know, but today I went on a group ride :shit::shit::shit::shit:

No dogs were harmed :blink::woohoo::blink::woohoo:

We used forward observation, situational awareness, good positioning and SSV, made good progress, did some overtakes even :laugh::confused::laugh::confused:

No speeding tickets, although I did go thru a booze bus stop late today :bleh::eek::bleh::Police::bleh::eek::Police:

There were no evasive actions required, we must have been lucky :facepalm::shutup::sunny::facepalm::shutup::sunny:

Never had to think about putting a foot down mid corner, even though I've been reading somewhere this would be an excellent idea :violin::2guns::violin::2guns:

What just didn't make sense is how all the stuff I've read somewhere, or heard about on the yootoobs, never happened to us :laugh::jerry::laugh::jerry::apumpin::no:

My biggest hurdle right now is whether to have a beer or do some more homework :drinknsin:second::Offtopic::bye:

Where was my invite?:nono:

[pritch]

Maybe Wellington group riders will just have to come south to relive their past thrills on the ChCh to Akaroa Rd.

While my memory suggests Christchurch to Akaroa is superior to the Rimutaka Hill road, the bar is still set fairly low. Neither of those should make any serious list of top rides. Akaroa though is a lovely place to have fish and chips by the sea. (I was lucky the tide was in too.)

Having said that twice now I suppose I should give some examples of what I do consider a top ride? SH43, The Forgotten World Highway, The Gentle Annie (Taihape to Hastings), the Lewis Pass (pre Kaikoura dramas), and Greymouth to Wanaka (West Coast Highway plus?). I have done all of those both solo and with groups, without anyone hitting dogs or being under pressure to keep up. And at times we were definitely making progress. :whistle:

[pritch]

Another road that is a good one is the Crown Range Rd between Queenstown and Wanaka. This is a very popular tourist route sinilar to ChCh to Akaraoa and takes about the same time between ChCh and Wanaka. While I do it about twice a year in my car I have not done it for years on my bike.

Been there done that, on a group ride too, but again it's only a short burst. We stayed at the Cardrona pub, but I'd have rather stayed at the flash new place next door.

[Woodman]

I remember there was a story in the media a year or so ago about a guy that died on that road
and a reported coment from a mate said he was a "good" rider but that would not be the case if they were
at fault though.

You are a fuckwit

[Katman]

You are a fuckwit

And you're a broken fucking record.

Along with all the other broken fucking records.

[Akzle]

So fuckwit how does your warped mind think if someone is at fault they can be a good rider?

you're a fuckwit

[Akzle]

And you're a broken fucking record.

Along with all the other broken fucking records.

and you see no irony in directing that comment in that one direction?

[Katman]

and you see no irony in directing that comment in that one direction?

It was directed in a number of directions.

[Woodman]

It was directed in a number of directions.

So like shotgun irony??

[Woodman]

So fuckwit how does your warped mind think if someone is at fault they can be a good rider?

Nobody is immune from accidents, even at fault ones. Butt head.

[roogazza]

While my memory suggests Christchurch to Akaroa is superior to the Rimutaka Hill road, the bar is still set fairly low. Neither of those should make any serious list of top rides.

Rimutakas was my home turf from 1966 (YDS3 Yam) I wouldn't call it scenic but it was a real test.
About 10 miles bridge to bridge. Along with that, came the many claims/war stories.
The Kaitokes before it was a nice warm up before the Hill until the road was straightened in I think the eighties?
About 4 years ago I moved to the Horowhenua and I haven't been back since.Probably a good thing I think, as I survived the many years scratching over there. Many didn't ! :(

[pritch]

Rimutakas was my home turf from 1966 (YDS3 Yam) I wouldn't call it scenic but it was a real test.

Did you ever punt the Yamaha across the Akatarawas? It used to be fun but the last time I did it (two up), the bike needed another lowish gear and there were too many rubber neckers in 4WDs. Scary.

[Voltaire]

And you're a broken fucking record.

Along with all the other broken fucking records.

I remember records...
Cassina and the waves : “ I’m riding under pressure whoahhhh, riding under pressure whoahhh, over and over

[WALRUS]

So, in all seriousness, are group rides not a thing over there?

I'm sure you get some dickish groups like we do here but surely they're easily avoided and, overall, it's all fine?

[Woodman]

True but the media coment from the guy's friend was that he was a "good rider" but if he was at fault not so in my opinion. If I ever happened to be at fault in a crash do you think anyone on here would say I was a good rider?

Well your opinion is stupid.

[Murray]

I remember there was a story in the media a year or so ago about a guy that died on that road
and a reported coment from a mate said he was a "good" rider but that would not be the case if they were
at fault though.


So fuckwit how does your warped mind think if someone is at fault they can be a good rider?


True but the media coment from the guy's friend was that he was a "good rider" but if he was at fault not so in my opinion.

So you bring up some old accident and start waffling on about who may have been at fault with no knowledge of the situation.

Have some respect you fuckwit

You really are special. :mad::mad:

[Murray]

It would appear then that the safest way to enjoy a group ride is to leave your bike at home! :whistle: (sigh) :ride:

No. The safest way according to someone I heard from once is to get a big arse SUV and then you could enjoy a group ride.

[george formby]

So, in all seriousness, are group rides not a thing over there?

I'm sure you get some dickish groups like we do here but surely they're easily avoided and, overall, it's all fine?

Yup, exacary right. Some great multi bike rides to be had, for all levels and tastes.

Cassina, your riding ability is judged by what you post on KB. IMHO, not an accurate perspective. You are adamant that none of your accidents were avoidable, no fault on your part. Yet you recently posted that a rider fell off in front of you for no reason. Not a hint of speculation in your post, must have been magic or a hole in the gravity. You also refuse to accept that education is of any benefit to reducing risk despite being able to post on here because you were educated sufficiently to almost be able to read and write, let alone ride and drive.

I stand by my opinion that you are a troll and KB is going down the shitter as a consequence.

[Swoop]

Cry me a fucking river.
Your're a special-needs fuckwit.

And you're a broken fucking record.

Along with all the other broken fucking records.

You're a fuckwit.

[WALRUS]

Yup, exacary right. Some great multi bike rides to be had, for all levels and tastes.

Sweet, I'll continue to organise the move over!

[FJRider]

You read wrong. Again.

The Rimutaka Hill road is a very short and insignificant ride and recent "improvements" have made it even less interesting. The main attraction for Wellington riders is that it's almost on their door step. It really doen't justify inclusion on anybody's list of top rides.

The days when you could get a coffee and a feed at the top ... were the days to remember. NO WRB's (except for the sheep fence) then ...


Sundays were the best day to watch from the top car park. Some very interesting machinery parked up there ... and some wonderful noises coming up the hill from both sides.

[GazzaH]

Last time I went through, it was a miserable wet slimy day, with roadworks and mist and SUVs in a hurry. Generally shitty and slow for me ... but "an experience".

A bit like going to the dentist.

I should prolly go twice a year.

[TheDemonLord]

s living a world of delusion

Cue Phil Collins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlBIa8z_Mts

[nzspokes]

The Akaroa Road looks ok, I reckon the Highway 16 GP is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE3dfPq7OMc

[Katman]

Your're a special-needs fuckwit.

Thanks for the giggle.

[caspernz]

Cassina, your riding ability is judged by what you post on KB. IMHO, not an accurate perspective. You are adamant that none of your accidents were avoidable, no fault on your part. Yet you recently posted that a rider fell off in front of you for no reason. Not a hint of speculation in your post, must have been magic or a hole in the gravity. You also refuse to accept that education is of any benefit to reducing risk despite being able to post on here because you were educated sufficiently to almost be able to read and write, let alone ride and drive.

I stand by my opinion that you are a troll and KB is going down the shitter as a consequence.

The continued "further training is useless" broken record certainly deserves counter measures, beyond that I don't give a monkeys...:eek5::innocent::shit::shutup:



The days when you could get a coffee and a feed at the top ... were the days to remember. NO WRB's (except for the sheep fence) then ...


Sundays were the best day to watch from the top car park. Some very interesting machinery parked up there ... and some wonderful noises coming up the hill from both sides.

Oh boy, that was a while ago. But yep, Sunday mornings were quite nice for a ride and a chat at the top of the hill, well at least when the cafe was still there.

[jasonu]

And you're a broken fucking record.

Along with all the other broken fucking records.

Hello pot this is kettle...

[jasonu]

If I ever happened to be at fault in a crash do you think anyone on here would say I was a good rider?

I'll bet actual money no one has ever said you were ever, are or will ever be a good rider. (and you don't count)

[TheDemonLord]

Okay Cassina,

For the sake of pure curiosity on my part - I'm interested to see what you gather was the cause of a bunch of YT accidents and what could the riders have done differently to stay 2 wheels down:


https://youtu.be/QOjjFlkVGeg?t=1

Here are the Time Stamps:

Accident 1: 0:07
Accident 2: 0:24
Accident 3: 0:49
Accident 4: 1:18
Accident 5: 1:53
Accident 6: 2:18 (this one milks it for ages just to get the sympathetic young maidens present)
Accident 7: 6:11
Accident 8: 6:24* (gets repeated with rider commentary)
Accident 9: 8:08
Accident 10: 9:00

I'll ask everyone else in the thread to watch said video but not to post anything until after Cassina has written their 2c, I've got my opinions on all of them and I'm interested by what you pick up from the videos.

[Katman]

I'll ask everyone else in the thread to watch said video but not to post anything until after Cassina has written their 2c.

You're a fuckwit.

[TheDemonLord]

You're a fuckwit.

Holy Irony Batman!

What was it you were saying to people who used that phrase?

Ah yes...


And you're a broken fucking record.

Along with all the other broken fucking records.

However - all point scoring aside - I was going to edit the above post - to specifically cite you by name for your take on the causes - as despite our numerous (and lengthy) disagreements, I suspect you would be able to call all 10 accurately - and I'm interested to compare Cassina's, mine and your take on the above (as well as everyone elses 2c)

[TheDemonLord]

I have not looked at the others but will post when I have.

Please do,

And to others in the thread - hold off responses until this is completed please.

[Katman]

And to others in the thread - hold off responses until this is completed please.

Seriously shitforbrains, get your hand off it.

[Woodman]

Dont make them wait in suspense as I have other things to do in my life beside being on this site all day and night and may post my other replies later this evening or tomorrow evening. The suspense will be killing them if they have to wait that long. Maybe they and you could post your opinions while you are waiting for me to get back to give you something to do with your time.

Lol. Credit where credits due.:yes:

[Laava]

This thread should have been titled "Cassina bait"

[eldog]

Replies by whom?:laugh:

[TheDemonLord]

4 more to go....

[AllanB]

True but the media coment from the guy's friend was that he was a "good rider" but if he was at fault not so in my opinion. If I ever happened to be at fault in a crash do you think anyone on here would say I was a good rider?

No one on here can actually confirm that you ride.

[old slider]

sorry, Jumped the gun.

[TheDemonLord]

Bump - Come on Cassina!

[Swoop]

Bump - Come on Cassina!

Careful now. It sounds like you're forcing Miss Cassina to keep up with the group, and we all know what happens then...

[caseye]

Gawd I wish the bitch would hurry up, I've got 2 cents worth too ya know.

[Murray]

No one on here can actually confirm that you ride.

Theres a few dogs around that can

[caspernz]

Bump - Come on Cassina!

Still reading up on the subject :rolleyes::devil2:



Careful now. It sounds like you're forcing Miss Cassina to keep up with the group, and we all know what happens then...

All good things take time :sleep::laugh:



Gawd I wish the bitch would hurry up, I've got 2 cents worth too ya know.

Settle down now, riders who feel pressured will muck up...haven't you read about that? :Oi::eek:

[Katman]

Oh no, it's strokus interruptus for the circle jerk crew.

[Swoop]

Sorry guys an important matter has come up and I will not have time to post on here for a few days maybe weeks.
No I have not fallen off my bike for those that think that.

Well done. I hope the riding course goes well.
Please report back on how you find it and what you learned.:ride:

[george formby]

Its not riding school but I would prefer that to where i am going and its not jail for those that think that

You took that DoC job on the Auckland Islands? Glad to be of service.

[ellipsis]

...everyone has shit in their lives, even the belligerents...I hope that our village belligerent is not having to be doing something that is one of the hard things in life...we are all just humans, that's part of the challenge...?...

[Woodman]

To be fair to cassina, I just wouldn't play TDLs game anyway.

[onearmedbandit]

...everyone has shit in their lives, even the belligerents...I hope that our village belligerent is not having to be doing something that is one of the hard things in life...we are all just humans, that's part of the challenge...?...

Very true.

[jasonu]

Its not riding school but I would prefer that to where i am going and its not jail for those that think that

Abortion clinic???

[FJRider]

Abortion clinic???

RSPCA Dog hospital ... part of her Court sentence ... ;)

[TheDemonLord]

So, it looks like Cassina is back - so how about your thoughts on the last 4 crashes?

[TheDemonLord]

Something major has happened in my life and I now cant be arsed sorry.

I smell the faint whiff of Eu du Bovine.

Yah got plenty of time to argue in the Road Toll... Thread, yet you can't watch a total of 4 mins total of video and post a reply...

Very well.

We'll go with what you posted:

Crash 1:

In the first the rider was possibly speeding resulting in possible contributary fault on their part.

Crash 2:

In the second night overtake if the bike had pulled in further ahead closer to the truck they may have avoided being hit from behind. I saw no contributary fault with this crash.

Crash 3:

In the third with the guy wedging himself between the kerb and car it just looks like he had a death wish looking at the position of the car prior to him trying to squeeze in.

Crash 4:

The same goes for the lane filterer between moving traffic. You would have to have a death wish to try that.

Crash 5:

The crash under the bridge was target fixation on the rider that overtook.

Crash 6:

The dirt bike and the jeep may have been due to the rider getting sun strike.

For everyones reference:


https://youtu.be/QOjjFlkVGeg?t=1

Here are the Time Stamps:

Accident 1: 0:07
Accident 2: 0:24
Accident 3: 0:49
Accident 4: 1:18
Accident 5: 1:53
Accident 6: 2:18 (this one milks it for ages just to get the sympathetic young maidens present)
Accident 7: 6:11
Accident 8: 6:24* (gets repeated with rider commentary)
Accident 9: 8:08
Accident 10: 9:00

So, opening to the Forum - of the 6 Cassina has posted - I agree with one of them - who else wants to add their 2c.

[Katman]

I smell the faint whiff of Eu du Bovine.

- who else wants to add their 2c.

You truly are a repugnant cunt.

[TheDemonLord]

Angry Waffle

Okay Katman, You've always been quite vocal about avoidable accidents - why don't you put forward your view? I get that you don't like how everyone jumps on Cassina - but you can comment on what you think were the causal factors of a crash without making any mention (positive or negative) towards said user.

[Katman]

Okay Katman, You've always been quite vocal about avoidable accidents - why don't you put forward your view? I get that you don't like how everyone jumps on Cassina - but you can comment on what you think were the causal factors of a crash without making any mention (positive or negative) towards said user.

Fuck off shitforbrains.

[ellipsis]

Fuck off shitforbrains.

...I'll second that motion...

[kiwi cowboy]

Another road that is a good one is the Crown Range Rd between Queenstown and Wanaka. This is a very popular tourist route sinilar to ChCh to Akaraoa and takes about the same time between ChCh and Wanaka. While I do it about twice a year in my car I have not done it for years on my bike.

Jesus fella if it takes you as long to go from ch ch to Wanaka as it does to get from Qtown to Wanaka over the crown range then you either drive fucking slow from Qtown to Wanaka or absolutely fly on the ch ch trip to Wanaka.:facepalm::laugh::laugh:

[Woodman]

I smell the faint whiff of Eu du Bovine.

Yah got plenty of time to argue in the Road Toll... Thread, yet you can't watch a total of 4 mins total of video and post a reply...

Very well.

We'll go with what you posted:

Crash 1:


Crash 2:


Crash 3:


Crash 4:


Crash 5:


Crash 6:


For everyones reference:


https://youtu.be/QOjjFlkVGeg?t=1

Here are the Time Stamps:

Accident 1: 0:07
Accident 2: 0:24
Accident 3: 0:49
Accident 4: 1:18
Accident 5: 1:53
Accident 6: 2:18 (this one milks it for ages just to get the sympathetic young maidens present)
Accident 7: 6:11
Accident 8: 6:24* (gets repeated with rider commentary)
Accident 9: 8:08
Accident 10: 9:00

So, opening to the Forum - of the 6 Cassina has posted - I agree with one of them - who else wants to add their 2c.

Seriously, let it go.........

[jasonu]

Something major has happened in my life and I now cant be arsed sorry.

Virginity finally popped?

[Berries]

Evidence here of how dangerous group riding is. Was ok until the other two turned up and increased the pressure.

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[caspernz]

Evidence here of how dangerous group riding is. Was ok until the other two turned up and increased the pressure.

The only time I see group rides like that is when I've been up Akzle's way for a smoke :confused::eek::laugh::innocent:

Good message in that video though.