19 years old german w&t

[Ole8991]

Hey there,
Im 19 years old and in Germany i am allowed to drive bikes up to 48 ps. The license is called A2. Which bikes can i drive in nz ? (I have got an international license too).
Also im looking for people joining me on my tour, starting in Auckland.
But before, where can i get a reliable bike for about 4000$ ? I heard about redbaron in auckland and specially the rebuy-option sounds very good.
Im already in Auckland and i would be thankful for any help.
Looking forward ti hear from you...

[AllanB]

Buy this - fly down and ride back or ship it up.

Keep the change for decent riding gear and NZ hookers.

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/184658-Honda-Bros-400-lams-approved

[jellywrestler]

Buy this - fly down and ride back or ship it up.

Keep the change for decent riding gear and NZ hookers.

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/184658-Honda-Bros-400-lams-approved

sold real quickly

[PeterNZ]

I would like to give you this as a warning: German tourist had barely driven before NZ crash that killed his friend (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/100570975/german-tourist-had-barely-driven-before-nz-crash-that-killed-his-friend). No I don't want to be a spoil sport but I think you should read it.

Your post raises several questions to me. How long have you been riding a bike? Under what conditions? Are you aware we drive on the left hand side? Are you aware that driving in NZ is totally different to Germany? Oh by the way, I am a German living in New Zealand so I know what I am talking about. Rental companies usually don't give you a car unless you are at least 25. There is a reason for this! Do we need another dead tourist in New Zealand? (recommended reading: "German tourist killed on first day of two-week motorcycle tour of New Zealand" (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/100323534/german-tourist-killed-on-first-day-of-twoweek-motorcycle-tour-of-new-zealand) and "German tourist critically injured in Coromandel crash" (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/99880396/german-tourist-critically-injured-in-coromandel-crash)

What happens when (not "if") you happen to be on the wrong side of the road?

Some more practical questions: The A2 license is limited to 35 kw which is 47 HP (PS = Pferdestaerke which translates into HP Horse power) and a max weight to power ratio of 0.2 kw per kg (0.27 HP per kg). How does this translate into our LAMS system? Is a 19 year old tourist allowed to drive any bike with 47 hp ignoring our LAMS regulations? Or is he allowed only to drive a LAMS bike?

Next question, insurance. What happens in the likely event that you not only injure/kill yourself but also someone else? What insurance in the world will pay out for a 19 year old learner driver who thought he can drive a powerful bike in a foreign country on the other road side under unfamiliar conditions?

And now I ask for a favor. Could you please publish your travel itinerary with times and days so that we can stay out of your way? :facepalm:

I am aware that I will get some oposing replies to this. But I believe that everybody with a functional brain would see that a 19 year old German with 1 year bike practice on totally perfect roads in Europe will pose a substantial risk to himself and others in New Zealand on a 47 HP bike. I personally think there should be a law against this to protect him (or is it her?) and others.

Now fire away....

Cheers

Peter

[EJK]

I would like to give you this as a warning: German tourist had barely driven before NZ crash that killed his friend (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/100570975/german-tourist-had-barely-driven-before-nz-crash-that-killed-his-friend). No I don't want to be a spoil sport but I think you should read it.

Your post raises several questions to me. How long have you been riding a bike? Under what conditions? Are you aware we drive on the left hand side? Are you aware that driving in NZ is totally different to Germany? Oh by the way, I am a German living in New Zealand so I know what I am talking about. Rental companies usually don't give you a car unless you are at least 25. There is a reason for this! Do we need another dead tourist in New Zealand? (recommended reading: "German tourist killed on first day of two-week motorcycle tour of New Zealand" (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/100323534/german-tourist-killed-on-first-day-of-twoweek-motorcycle-tour-of-new-zealand) and "German tourist critically injured in Coromandel crash" (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/99880396/german-tourist-critically-injured-in-coromandel-crash)

What happens when (not "if") you happen to be on the wrong side of the road?

Some more practical questions: The A2 license is limited to 35 kw which is 47 HP (PS = Pferdestaerke which translates into HP Horse power) and a max weight to power ratio of 0.2 kw per kg (0.27 HP per kg). How does this translate into our LAMS system? Is a 19 year old tourist allowed to drive any bike with 47 hp ignoring our LAMS regulations? Or is he allowed only to drive a LAMS bike?

Next question, insurance. What happens in the likely event that you not only injure/kill yourself but also someone else? What insurance in the world will pay out for a 19 year old learner driver who thought he can drive a powerful bike in a foreign country on the other road side under unfamiliar conditions?

And now I ask for a favor. Could you please publish your travel itinerary with times and days so that we can stay out of your way? :facepalm:

I am aware that I will get some oposing replies to this. But I believe that everybody with a functional brain would see that a 19 year old German with 1 year bike practice on totally perfect roads in Europe will pose a substantial risk to himself and others in New Zealand on a 47 HP bike. I personally think there should be a law against this to protect him (or is it her?) and others.

Now fire away....

Cheers

Peter

Wow that's a really tasty bait.

Throwing out the baby with the bath water much?

[PeterNZ]

Wow that's a really tasty bait.

I know, I know. :msn-wink:



Throwing out the baby with the bath water much?

I am not getting your second comment, sorry.

Just a reminder, the same driver as the OP would have a restricted license in NZ. These are the restrictions:



You can drive on your own between 5am and 10pm.
You must not carry any passengers on your motorcycle or moped or in any sidecar.
You must not tow another vehicle.
You must only ride a LAMS approved motorcycle.


Do they apply to tourists as well? If not, why not?

The one link I posted in my previous post where the German 19 year old killed his friend on Coromandel would have been illegal in NZ. He would have had a restricted license (https://nzta.govt.nz/driver-licences/getting-a-licence/licences-by-vehicle-type/cars/restricted-licence-2/restricted-licence-conditions/) and wouldn't have been allowed to drive from Hamilton to Coromandel with a passenger. Maybe, just maybe the girl would still be alive. Imagine that!

Cheers

Peter

[Ole8991]

Hey there.
First of all, i understand everything you say. Biking is dangerous and even more for beginners like me. But think further. When and where should i learn how to pay attention to the throttle then in new zealand. It is not just a beautiful landscape to ride through, but also a great chance to improve my riding. Its a foreign country and foreign rules so i asked you to help me. You dont know me and my driving skills, but i am totally aware of all danger and would never take another soul with me unless i know the road and stuff. Trust me when i say, that i will be absolutly careful on my way for my and everybodies lives. Thats why i repeat my wish for another foreign or native biker to come with me or support my tour with helpful comments.
Thanks a lot also for the warning. I will keep that in mind for everyones secrurity.

P.S. red baron told me about lams and together we found 2 bikes. A cruiser with about 200ccm and an old honda also 200ccm which, they told me, i will be allowed to drive. Do somebody know a service station in Auckland, where i can bring them and they just do a quick check for low money ?

[OddDuck]

Just in (mild) support of what PeterNZ said...

I spent a month in Germany about, oh, eight years ago? I was amazed at how neatly everything ran, how people obeyed the rules, how drivers were courteous and considerate.

Then I came back to New Zealand. The comparison was quite a shock. It was like coming home to the Wild West, anything goes!! Except 160 Kph+ on the motorway. Dammit.

I wouldn't say don't do it. This is one of the greatest countries on earth to be a biker.

I would say, have a rest after the flights, get yourself a place roadside somewhere, watch traffic for a bit before riding. See how people drive here, see what the culture around vehicles is.

Hazards to expect while touring away from cities:

1) livestock in the middle of the road

2) vehicles stopped in the middle of the road

3) gravel sprayed across the road from driveways, side areas etc

4) rough, uneven roading surfaces - big potholes and bumps

5) very big trucks on very narrow country roads

All of these could be just around the next corner. Everything I've listed above is from direct experience, I've had every single one of these over the years. And...

6) the biggest: you. Fatigue, dehydration, hunger, racing the clock, etc etc, if you catch yourself starting to make mistakes, think very seriously about pulling over and taking a break, even just for a minute or two.

and less dangerous but still a touring reality:

Lots of the country still closes at about 6 - 7 pm. 24 hour petrol is possible in the bigger country towns but in the interesting / pretty bits of the country, it can't really be counted on. If in doubt, gas up at 5 or so. If unsure about whether there's petrol ahead, ask a local or check the internet, don't take it for granted that because there's a placename, there's a petrol station.

Slow drivers. Lots of these. If you're on a small capacity bike, take your time, wait for a passing lane or clear roads. Don't chance it with overtakes, whatever's coming the other way may be moving much faster or be much wider than expected.

Weather. NZ weather can be very changeable, keep an eye on the forecasts, be prepared to buy gear if you don't already have it. See above note about petrol stations, the shops in most of small town NZ are worse, everything closes at 5-ish or maybe 6 if you're lucky.

Distance. It can take a surprisingly long time to get from A to B, the better petrol station maps have suggested allowed driving / riding times, allow for this in your travel plans. A lot of our main roads pass through towns with 50 kmph speed limits and normal urban traffic, this can really add to the travel time.

People can go on a bit about dodgy Kiwi driving and / or tourists... it's real but it's overstated. Stay alert and be nice to people and you should be fine.

Sounds like you'll have an adventure, hope it works out!

[YellowDog]

The warnings are valid.

The main roads will not be a problem, as there are other vehicles to act as a guide.

When you are on country lanes, with no other bikes, your brain will pull you over to the right (not left) side of the road.

This can kill you, so do be cautious at all times.

I have driven throughout Europe. It is easier in a left hand drive car, but on a bike and with no other cars, it is very easy to lapse.

VTNZ have facilities to test a vehicle for you, before you buy. They are all over NZ, so ask for a pre-sale inspection to be done.

Good luck and ride safe :yes:

[neels]

P.S. red baron told me about lams and together we found 2 bikes. A cruiser with about 200ccm and an old honda also 200ccm which, they told me, i will be allowed to drive. Do somebody know a service station in Auckland, where i can bring them and they just do a quick check for low money ?
200cc is a small bike for open road riding in New Zealand.

If you have equivalent to a NZ restricted licence then you can get a wide range of bikes up to 650cc, check the LAMS list.

As per the above comments, NZ roads are different (and in a lot of cases of much lower standard) than the rest of the world, but at the same time a great experience on a bike. Keep your mind on the job and stay aware of the other road users and you will enjoy.

When I was driving in France I avoided the motorways wherever possible and used the N roads as they were the same as driving on NZ roads, the traffic was more challenging but the scenery over what a motorway would show you was worth the extra effort.

[PeterNZ]

Hey there.
First of all, i understand everything you say. Biking is dangerous and even more for beginners like me. But think further. When and where should i learn how to pay attention to the throttle then in new zealand. It is not just a beautiful landscape to ride through, but also a great chance to improve my riding. Its a foreign country and foreign rules so i asked you to help me.


Umm, really? It is better to get riding practice in a foreign environment with foreign rules and foreign driving behaviour? Please allow me to disagree.



You dont know me and my driving skills, but i am totally aware of all danger and would never take another soul with me unless i know the road and stuff.

Fact is if the New Zealand rules apply to you (which I hope) you are simply not allowed to take someone with you, no matter whether you "know the road and stuff" or not. Let me spell it out in capitals again: "NO PASSENGERS FULL STOP" if you are on a restricted license. This already tells me that you don't seem to know the rules here.



Trust me when i say, that i will be absolutly careful on my way for my and everybodies lives. Thats why i repeat my wish for another foreign or native biker to come with me or support my tour with helpful comments.
Thanks a lot also for the warning. I will keep that in mind for everyones secrurity.


Where have I heard this before? I am sure others who are not with us anymore thought the same, that they are absolutly[sic] careful . Would I take the responsibility to look after a 19 year old tourist with almost no riding practice? Probably not.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to spoil your holidays. I even know how you think because me too was once 19 and rode a bike. Now I am over 50 and I worry about you. Maybe let's agree to take a mix of the two of us, Me being worried and you being self-confident. Just take it easy and be relaxed but still awake and attentive. Please read the other answers here, there are some brilliant points raised. ALso this post on the forum is recommended: It Won't Happen To Me, I don't need to change. (https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/184640-It-Won-t-Happen-To-Me-I-don-t-need-to-change)


Cheers and have a great holiday.

Peter

[FJRider]

Umm, really? It is better to get riding practice in a foreign environment with foreign rules and foreign driving behaviour? Please allow me to disagree.




Fact is ... most of the riders here don't obey the rules anyway. And ... many of the other motorists are foreign and are unfamiliar with the rules too ... and some of them are probably his countrymen.

WE have ACC ... no need for him to have medical insurance ... as we would in Germany ...

[PeterNZ]

Fact is ... most of the riders here don't obey the rules anyway. And ... many of the other motorists are foreign and are unfamiliar with the rules too ... and some of them are probably his countrymen.

WE have ACC ... no need for him to have medical insurance ... as we would in Germany ...

Ahh well then....

I was actually talking about injuries/damages/death of others. ACC doesn't pay for that. And yes, ACC pays wheelchairs, great! That's a relief, isn't it?

Cheers

Peter

[FJRider]

Ahh well then....

I was actually talking about injuries/damages/death of others. ACC doesn't pay for that.

Peter

They DO ... actually ... :yes:

NZ ACC is NO FAULT medical insurance.

[sidecar bob]

They DO ... actually ... :yes:

NZ ACC is NO FAULT medical insurance.

Don't encourage foreigners to cash in on a system they haven't made any contributions to.

[FJRider]

Don't encourage foreigners to cash in on a system they haven't made any contributions to.

OR reciprocate in their own countries.

BUT ... greater minds than ours (apparently) decided it was a great idea. Who are we to argue ... ???






oh wait ... :facepalm:

[Daffyd]

You don't 'drive' a motorcycle in NZ. You 'ride' it!

[sidecar bob]

You don't 'drive' a motorcycle in NZ. You 'ride' it!

Unless it's a Harley of course.:msn-wink:

[FJRider]

Some more practical questions: The A2 license is limited to 35 kw which is 47 HP (PS = Pferdestaerke which translates into HP Horse power) and a max weight to power ratio of 0.2 kw per kg (0.27 HP per kg). How does this translate into our LAMS system? Is a 19 year old tourist allowed to drive any bike with 47 hp ignoring our LAMS regulations? Or is he allowed only to drive a LAMS bike?

Now fire away....

Cheers

Peter

Simple answer ... if YOU are unfamiliar with (or need to ask) how the NZ lams system works ... YOU are hardly qualified to question him or the system HE is familiar with.

In short ... our lams system is ... 150 kilowatts per tonne AND. an upper engine capacity of 660cc. An entirely different system to that in Germany.

[EJK]

Umm, really? It is better to get riding practice in a foreign environment with foreign rules and foreign driving behaviour? Please allow me to disagree.


Fact is if the New Zealand rules apply to you (which I hope) you are simply not allowed to take someone with you, no matter whether you "know the road and stuff" or not. Let me spell it out in capitals again: "NO PASSENGERS FULL STOP" if you are on a restricted license. This already tells me that you don't seem to know the rules here.



Where have I heard this before? I am sure others who are not with us anymore thought the same, that they are absolutly[sic] careful . Would I take the responsibility to look after a 19 year old tourist with almost no riding practice? Probably not.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to spoil your holidays. I even know how you think because me too was once 19 and rode a bike. Now I am over 50 and I worry about you. Maybe let's agree to take a mix of the two of us, Me being worried and you being self-confident. Just take it easy and be relaxed but still awake and attentive. Please read the other answers here, there are some brilliant points raised. ALso this post on the forum is recommended: It Won't Happen To Me, I don't need to change. (https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/184640-It-Won-t-Happen-To-Me-I-don-t-need-to-change)


Cheers and have a great holiday.

Peter

Jesus fucking Christ you must be fun at parties.

[FJRider]

Fact is if the New Zealand rules apply to you (which I hope) you are simply not allowed to take someone with you, no matter whether you "know the road and stuff" or not. Let me spell it out in capitals again: "NO PASSENGERS FULL STOP" if you are on a restricted license. This already tells me that you don't seem to know the rules here.





NOWHERE in this thread does the OP mention he intends taking a passenger.

As for the 19 year old (German) tourist that killed his passenger ... I have yet to find mention of him being charged also with any license offences.

[PeterNZ]

They DO ... actually ... :yes:

NZ ACC is NO FAULT medical insurance.

We can keep on splitting hairs but it gets boring. ACC pays all medical bills. I say it again, I was talking about damage to other people. ACC doesn't pay funeral cost, transfer cost to your or their home country, legal cost, damages to property, cars, reparation payments like in the case of the guy who killed his friend ($5000) etc.

Do you seriously suggest to a 19 year old tourist to drive around the country without insurance? And that ACC is a valid replacement for an insurance?

Cheers

Peter

[Ole8991]

Thanks a lot for all your comments.
I've just driven to tairua with an older man who showed me the exact point of the accident you mentioned and told me about driving in new zealand. He was very experienced unfortunatly just by car and had some usefull informstion for me. I have a few things to solve before getting on a bike so i try to get used to the streets by driving with kiwis around here. That worked out very well thanks to the kiwis open minds and corteousity? :)
So my last problem is, that i am alone :( does somebody know a place or a methode to meet other kiwibikers and hopefully some travellers ?

[EJK]

We can keep on splitting hairs but it gets boring. ACC pays all medical bills. I say it again, I was talking about damage to other people. ACC doesn't pay funeral cost, transfer cost to your or their home country, legal cost, damages to property, cars, reparation payments like in the case of the guy who killed his friend ($5000) etc.

Do you seriously suggest to a 19 year old tourist to drive around the country without insurance? And that ACC is a valid replacement for an insurance?

Cheers

Peter

He's traveling, not going to a fucking war.

Just when we thought we got rid of Cassina, another idiot with head stuck up his ass pops up.

[FJRider]

Do you seriously suggest to a 19 year old tourist to drive around the country without insurance? And that ACC is a valid replacement for an insurance?

Cheers

Peter

A fucking shit-load of KIWI's do it all the time (but don't make the news). What makes them so special ... ???

I made NO claim it (ACC) was anything other than MEDICAL insurance.

Only 8% of foreign drivers are involved in serious crashes ... so 92% of the crashes are KIWI's ...

Start giving THEM a hard time and leave the visitors alone ...

[Ole8991]

Another question just popped up while thinking about costs. I know it depends on many things, but do you know how much it will be for 100km in mountains ?

[Ole8991]

Sry, forgot to say ä. Its about fuel (petrol) :)

[Navy Boy]

Sry, forgot to say ä. Its about fuel (petrol) :)

On a bike like yours and with a fairly sensible riding style you should be able to get 18-20Km/litre. So - 100Km would be 4-5 Litres of fuel. So - $10-15 depending on fuel prices where you are.

There are lots of good points made in the posts above. Only you know how careful a rider you are. Enjoy NZ for the biking paradise that it is and ride so that you'll be able to come back and enjoy it again in the future.

Enjoy. :niceone:

[PeterNZ]

Jesus fucking Christ you must be fun at parties.

Yes I am, thanks for recognizing this.
:banana:

Cheers

Peter

[PeterNZ]

He's traveling, not going to a fucking war.

Just when we thought we got rid of Cassina, another idiot with head stuck up his ass pops up.

Am I right in saying that you want to get rid of me because you think I am an idiot? I knew that this is a great community here.

Thank you for being respectful and open minded. I think it is great how you accept other people's opinion. Keep it up.

Cheers

Peter

[FJRider]

Am I right in saying that you want to get rid of me because you think I am an idiot?

The more you post ... the more obvious it becomes ...


I knew that this is a great community here.

This is an online motorcycle forum. No more or less.


Thank you for being respectful and open minded.

You're NOT ... why should HE be ... ???


I think it is great how you accept other people's opinion. Keep it up.

Cheers

Peter

YOU DON'T ... keep it up ... :devil2:

Cheers

FJ

[FJRider]

You don't 'drive' a motorcycle in NZ. You 'ride' it!

I think he was referring to the tourist that killed his girlfriend ... that was driving a car.

The German tourist killed near Christchurch that was no stranger to NZ roads, He'd been here a few times and rented a bike from the same firm. No mention of blame or wrong-doing on his part.

[FJRider]

We can keep on splitting hairs but it gets boring. ACC pays all medical bills. I say it again, I was talking about damage to other people. ACC doesn't pay funeral cost, transfer cost to your or their home country, legal cost, damages to property, cars, reparation payments like in the case of the guy who killed his friend ($5000) etc.



You seem to assume that any accident that he may be involved in ... will somehow be automatically HIS fault ... ???

[FJRider]

Another question just popped up while thinking about costs. I know it depends on many things, but do you know how much it will be for 100km in mountains ?

It usually averages itself out ... down hill you will use less fuel than up hill. More fuel used in a head wind than with a tail wind etc.

Don't keep the throttle kept wide open in all situations on the road ... and you may not notice much difference in fuel usage. It can be hard on small bike too ...

[Daffyd]

I think he was referring to the tourist that killed his girlfriend ... that was driving a car.

I was referring to the OP.

[Ole8991]

Peternz: i know you want to help me and everything you told me is important. When it comes to respect, think about how to tell others your opinion. I'm maybe a young beginner but there is no reason to talk to me in a different way.
FJRider: thanks a lot for helping me out also
Navyboy :)
And guys, discussion is good but we are bikers not girls. I dont know how it is in nz but it cant be so different from the community in germany. So this is a forum but we are a community of bikers. I think thats the most important thing you have to learn as a biker (after learning not to kill yourself).
So ride save and stay cool. If there is any question left, i know where to ask 👌
Thanks:)

[axil]

Ole, just read this thread. I am doing a similar thing - my wife and I are spending 3 months touring around NZ from the States - but at the other end of the spectrum. I just retired and figured I better do this now before I am too old an decrepit ;-). When I was picking up my bike at Red Baron, Cherisse mentioned that two Europeans guys had picked up small bikes the day before to do the same thing.

Be careful out there. Someone on here told me that driving on the left was more of a suggestion than a rule and now that I am out riding, I have found that to be true. Coming around a tight corner on a narrow road you might find a vehicle coming the other way half way in your lane.

Don't know if our paths will cross, but if they do, I would be happy to meet up. If you PM me, I can give you me contact info.

Safe travels.

[jafagsx250]

Just another piece of advice. If you see a yellow sign with a number and a directional arrow then this is a recommended corner speed sign. It tells you how fast you are recommended to go and which way the corner goes. The 55 km per hour and up are pretty easy sweeping corners so you can judge for yourself how fast you're comfortable going but 35 and under are very tight, blind and sometimes even camber ed. I would implore you to follow the 35 and under speeds. Until you are comfortable with what they're like.

I live in Auckland. I am free on weekends or after work at 4:30pm. We can go for a ride sometime of you like.

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[Ole8991]

Hey axil. Nice to hear from you. I also plan to pick up a bike at red baron but also looking for alternatives. Just entered this forum, so i try to contact you by privat messenging maybe ?
Thanks for the info about the signs, really helpful and smart. Do you think there is a way to contact the two european guys ?

[axil]

Hi Ole. I thought that you were the European guys Cherisse mentioned to me lol. Are you here in NZ yet? If you private message me, I will send you my contact info. I am here until April.

Also watch for animal dung in the corners, as well as gravel. Yeah, that happened to me yesterday, a big pile of cow droppings at the apex.

[Ole8991]

Found a suzuki bandit 600 from 1997 and I was told its lams approved. Just need a save way to fix my 70 l bag on the back and pay 2500$ +installation of the bagholdersystem. What do you think my fellows ?

[MarkW]

There are two Suzuki 600 motorcycles that are on the LAMS approved list - the GSR600U and the GSX-R600U so if the motorcycle that you are proposing to buy is registered as one of these two then it is LAMS approved. If it is not registered exactly as per these model descriptions then it is probably not a LAMS approved machine. And the motorcycle needs to be unmodified as well.

The Police may not worry too much if it is LAMS or not but the insurance company most certainly will if you are making a claim for damage to the motorcycle or to something that you may have hit and damaged.

[EmBe]

A Suzuki GSF600(S), the bandit you're talking about, is NOT a lams approved bike.
For lams you'll be after a bike with about half the power of that bandit and if you want 4 cylinders I'd guess it will be under 500cc.

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[jasonu]

Have a great time but remember, don't mention the war...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfl6Lu3xQW0

[Ole8991]

Really ? 😂😂 cant stop laughing 😂

[Ole8991]

Found a bmw gs with 400ccm and pack rack. Although red baron told me to check it I wanna make sure its fine. Well I have a checklist from a german workshop but could need a pair of experienced eyes and ears. Somrbody arounf Auckland who may help me out with it ? I would bring the bike we go quickly over it ?
Thanks a lot :)

[jafagsx250]

Found a bmw gs with 400ccm and pack rack. Although red baron told me to check it I wanna make sure its fine. Well I have a checklist from a german workshop but could need a pair of experienced eyes and ears. Somrbody arounf Auckland who may help me out with it ? I would bring the bike we go quickly over it ?
Thanks a lot :)

did you end up getting it? there are a few facebook buy and sell pages for bikes where you might have more luck finding an experienced person to have a look at a bike with you.

[Murray]

Are you aware we drive on the left hand side? Are you aware that driving in NZ is totally different to Germany?

What happens in the likely event that you not only injure/kill yourself but also someone else?

And now I ask for a favor. Could you please publish your travel itinerary with times and days so that we can stay out of your way? :facepalm:
I personally think there should be a law against this to protect him (or is it her?) and others.


Just ban all krauts - how have any survived NZ roads