Collarbone planes & screws

[kawa64]

I broke my collarbone recently and had a hardware plate and some screws put in. It's now healed and I am able to surgically remove the items if I want to.

They are usually removed if causing discomfort or pain, but if I'm prone to breaking the same bone again, should I; to be on the safe side, get it removed? So they don't twist around during another collarbone brake and damage some nerves or something. (removing them may also damage some things (uncommon))

[Grumph]

My limited understanding of it is that if you break the bone again while the hardware is still attatched, worse damage can be expected.

I'd have it removed - and look at shoulder armour for your leathers.

[Mental Trousers]

Riding motorbikes I always get the plate/screws removed (on my 3rd broken collarbone at the moment). The plate is a lot stronger than the bone so if you have an accident the plate comes away relatively fine, but the bone at the ends of the plate it turns into a nightmare. The worst possible place to break a clavicle is at the outer end, near or in the joint, which is pretty much where the end of the plate is. If it breaks too near the joint they can't fix it surgically and you just have to put up with months as an invalid.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah get 'em out. The only screws I left in are in my right ankle. About to have this done to me shoulder too. Race bikes they said, it'll be fun they said! 335199

[jasonu]

Race bikes they said, it'll be fun they said! 335199

Yep it's a mugs game...




and a shit load of fun if you don't fuck yourself up too badly.

[malcy25]

My limited understanding of it is that if you break the bone again while the hardware is still attatched, worse damage can be expected.

I'd have it removed - and look at shoulder armour for your leathers.

What he said. Horhay broke his and had it plated (Assen) rode, rode the next meeting and banged it up again.....I believe it was not so funny the next time....

[T.W.R]

Get the metalware removed :yes: there's lots of scenarios of what can happen if it's left in place and most don't have pleasant results and the cure for these can be a lot worse for your body :(
In short get it out of there to save any possible hassles down the track :niceone:

Slighty different to a collar bone but:

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=132021&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1245016090

That broke and started to work loose and as a side benefit started to poison me & meant a whole shitload of harsh medicines to remedy the situation

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64938&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1183162513

[F5 Dave]

If it' a hook plate I.e. at the end, you'll know about it and the relief when it' gone is like a dull ache gone and you can sleep on that side. Bliss.

But yeah the screw holes are still holes. That part is still weak. Once gone they will fill in over a few months apparently. I asked if they could wrap the structure in carbon sheet but blah blah, details, :angry:

[Grumph]

If it' a hook plate I.e. at the end, you'll know about it and the relief when it' gone is like a dull ache gone and you can sleep on that side. Bliss.

But yeah the screw holes are still holes. That part is still weak. Once gone they will fill in over a few months apparently. I asked if they could wrap the structure in carbon sheet but blah blah, details, :angry:

Back when I was a kid and fiberglass was new to the market, we as a family were into boatbuilding....A mate of the old man's was a leading orthopod in ChCh and got interested in using 'glass as bone reinforcing. Once he realised just how toxic the resins were he backed away quickly.
I've read that there is still research going on to find a resin the body will tolerate. One day....

[jasonu]

One day....

Roger Fitch, ONE DAY!!!!!

[Grumph]

Roger Fitch, ONE DAY!!!!!

Of all the memories to cling to when you moved.......

[jasonu]

Of all the memories to cling to when you moved.......

Sad innit...

[Ulsterkiwi]

a very good mate of mine is an orthopaedic surgeon, apparently ceramics are a point of interest for them uns in that field, more so for joint replacement at this point. Very spendy as well, when a surgeon says that you know its serious!

On a slightly different tack, he was commenting recently on the number of motorcyclists he sees as part of his practice who are very fucked up because they didn't wear proper gear, some were just there for his bone mending skills but mostly the unfortunates were also looking at skin grafts and procedures trying to do something about all the soft tissue loss (muscle mass etc). Nothing makes you bullet proof but if the repair man says good gear gives you more of a chance, who am I to argue?

[YellowDog]

I broke my collarbone recently and had a hardware plate and some screws put in. It's now healed and I am able to surgically remove the items if I want to.

They are usually removed if causing discomfort or pain, but if I'm prone to breaking the same bone again, should I; to be on the safe side, get it removed? So they don't twist around during another collarbone brake and damage some nerves or something. (removing them may also damage some things (uncommon))

That's fantastic news hearing that you are all healed and fixed up. My missus is a nurse and says: If you an oldie and going to take care of yourself, the plates add strength to the joint and will help.

However if you are still doing what originally caused the injury and there is a reasonable chance it might happen again; get the plates taken out, so that your body can cope as best as it can, naturally. The plate will almost guarantee additional damage, which is best avoided.

[kawa64]

Get the metalware removed :yes: there's lots of scenarios of what can happen if it's left in place and most don't have pleasant results and the cure for these can be a lot worse for your body :(
In short get it out of there to save any possible hassles down the track :niceone:

Slighty different to a collar bone but:

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=132021&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1245016090

That broke and started to work loose and as a side benefit started to poison me & meant a whole shitload of harsh medicines to remedy the situation

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=64938&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1183162513

Damn that looks horrific, what caused it? Also you had the hardware removed after healed?

[T.W.R]

Damn that looks horrific, what caused it? Also you had the hardware removed after healed?

:laugh: It's pretty unique, so much so the orthopedic surgeon who repaired it used to take the files to seminars. It was one step away from amputation when it happened and it was caused by a disqualified driver and avoiding becoming a fatality (option one was get crunched & option two was take the best evasive action possible) still meant a short flight impersonating superman :facepalm: (flight went well & landing wasn't so good).

When that plate broke and my body started to reject it (as they do with foreign objects in them) I had a few months of in another cast until my immune system had regained some form of normality I had another set of metalware fitted & a second bone graft & some re-sculpturing done then 2yrs later that lot was removed and K-wires fitted & a couple more screws, more re-sculpturing of the joint etc and eventually that lot was removed 18mths further down the track. At the time the only other options were a total replacement from a cadaver or an artificial one, both these options had limited appeal.....possible major rejection of the cadaver elbow and the artificial meant multiple replacements & eventually having to get the elbow fused in place.

25yrs later it is what it is :shutup: An elbow that articulates on fibrous tissue more than the joint itself & is technically still classed as broken, restricted ROM, a forearm that you could stick a knife in & I wouldn't feel it and the joint sounds like it's grinding concrete when I bend it and an impressive bag of surgical steel goodies :laugh:

[jasonu]

:laugh: It's pretty unique, so much so the orthopedic surgeon who repaired it used to take the files to seminars. It was one step away from amputation when it happened and it was caused by a disqualified driver and avoiding becoming a fatality (option one was get crunched & option two was take the best evasive action possible) still meant a short flight impersonating superman :facepalm: (flight went well & landing wasn't so good).

When that plate broke and my body started to reject it (as they do with foreign objects in them) I had a few months of in another cast until my immune system had regained some form of normality I had another set of metalware fitted & a second bone graft & some re-sculpturing done then 2yrs later that lot was removed and K-wires fitted & a couple more screws, more re-sculpturing of the joint etc and eventually that lot was removed 18mths further down the track. At the time the only other options were a total replacement from a cadaver or an artificial one, both these options had limited appeal.....possible major rejection of the cadaver elbow and the artificial meant multiple replacements & eventually having to get the elbow fused in place.

25yrs later it is what it is :shutup: An elbow that articulates on fibrous tissue more than the joint itself & is technically still classed as broken, restricted ROM, a forearm that you could stick a knife in & I wouldn't feel it and the joint sounds like it's grinding concrete when I bend it and an impressive bag of surgical steel goodies :laugh:

Did you ever get the chance to stab the cunt that did it to you?

[T.W.R]

Did you ever get the chance to stab the cunt that did it to you?

:laugh: Worse thoughts than that went through my head when it happened, but he was the 1st maori I had ever seen change skin colour when I picked myself up off the road & started heading for him before getting grabbed by bystanders/witnesses :pinch: