Lease/rent/hire a bike?

[HEsch]

Can anyone suggest places who might lease/rent bikes?

Would need it for 6 months.

Wondering if this might be an option to get around my new bike conundrum - rather than buy something LAMS-approved now, I could hire one for the next 6 months then get a full power bike.....

[release_the_bees]

Can anyone suggest places who might lease/rent bikes?

Would need it for 6 months.

Wondering if this might be an option to get around my new bike conundrum - rather than buy something LAMS-approved now, I could hire one for the next 6 months then get a full power bike.....For the cost of renting a bike for six months, it would probably be cheaper to buy one. Your best bet might be seeing if you can find a dealer that will offer you a buy back price over that time period.

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[HEsch]

Yeah... Or buy something older/cheaper now with the idea of selling it in 6 months.

Hmmmmm.

Have been spoiled by 'new' bike is all - nothing to fix or bodge, no quirks.

[Swoop]

Or select a bike that will have a better resale value instead of something "you" actually want.
Sadly six months from now = winter time...

[awayatc]

Plenty of lams approved bikes around that one could happily ride for many moons to come. ...
Even on a full licence.
Pick one of those. . Then sell when you ready for something else.
Whenever that may be...

[nzspokes]

Pick up a cheap Hornet 250 or something. You wont lose much if anything.

[russd7]

what sort of bike do you want once on your full, at the end of the day most police don't know if a bike is lams or not and if i remember correctly, did you not say you have already done CBTA and are just waiting for time to be able to convert to full (unsure how that works), I think you said something along the lines of wanting a 600 but it wasn't lams, my suggestion would be just buy the bike you want and as long as you behave then you won't draw attention. don't over think it and don't over complicate it, six months will be gone before you know it
i know of one guy locally who did a runner from the police on a busa but got stopped with a rolling road block, he was only on a learner license and was carrying a passenger, the kindly policeman let him carry on to the rally he was going to as long as he promised to stay between the two other guys he was riding with. police can be quite reasonable most of the time

[HEsch]

what sort of bike do you want once on your full, at the end of the day most police don't know if a bike is lams or not and if i remember correctly, did you not say you have already done CBTA and are just waiting for time to be able to convert to full (unsure how that works), I think you said something along the lines of wanting a 600 but it wasn't lams, my suggestion would be just buy the bike you want and as long as you behave then you won't draw attention. don't over think it and don't over complicate it, six months will be gone before you know it
i know of one guy locally who did a runner from the police on a busa but got stopped with a rolling road block, he was only on a learner license and was carrying a passenger, the kindly policeman let him carry on to the rally he was going to as long as he promised to stay between the two other guys he was riding with. police can be quite reasonable most of the time


You are correct on the licence side. There are minimum times between R and F licences. With CBTA, you can sit the practical F assessment sooner than you can present the certificate at the AA/VTNZ/whatever to get the next colour of plastic to stick in your wallet.

I'm not concerned about the police side of things, I don't ride like a maniac. However, having just played the insurance game with the SV, I'm not at all interested in the bike not being insured to the level I think it is/should be.

[HEsch]

I don't know what bike I want. The SV was my first and I was going to keep her, maybe upgrade the ECU when I had my full. I have the option to shop around now, timing a bit awkward with licences is all.
Might just get something like a Duke for the next 6 months and flick it on with another 6000kms on it then.

Decisions, decisions.

[russd7]

You are correct on the licence side. There are minimum times between R and F licences. With CBTA, you can sit the practical F assessment sooner than you can present the certificate at the AA/VTNZ/whatever to get the next colour of plastic to stick in your wallet.

I'm not concerned about the police side of things, I don't ride like a maniac. However, having just played the insurance game with the SV, I'm not at all interested in the bike not being insured to the level I think it is/should be.

fair point :2thumbsup

[Moi]

Just a thought...

you seemed very happy with your LAMs SV650, so why not buy another one or a different LAMs bike?

True, you'll get your 6F later this year, but at present are you out-riding your LAMs bike? If you're not out riding it, then why would you suddenly start out riding it the day after you get your 6F? It's quite likely that whatever LAMs bike you buy now you could still be enjoying it in five years time and it could still be more bike than you can ride - you'll back off before the bike gets to its limits.

Then in about five years time, you change it for another bike, perhaps an unrestricted model?

[Ocean1]

A lot of the LAMS 650s are simple plug/unplug to convert for full revs/power. Not the Yamahas though, I think.

I know on the boy's EX650F it's simply pull a bridge out of the fusebox.

And I suspect most of them would keep you entertained for long enough to not become too much of a depreciation hit even if you bought new.

[rastuscat]

The CBTA rules have recently changed in response to people kicking the arse out of them.

You have to hold a 6R for at least 9 months before you are allowed to do your 6F CBTA assessment.

Once passed, you still have to wait until your 12 months is up before obtaining your 6F.

Just FYI.

[HEsch]

The CBTA rules have recently changed in response to people kicking the arse out of them.

You have to hold a 6R for at least 9 months before you are allowed to do your 6F CBTA assessment.

Once passed, you still have to wait until your 12 months is up before obtaining your 6F.

Just FYI.

They kept that change veeeeeeerrry quiet. I think I saw it about 3 days before the new regs came in. I had already sat my Full assessment. But it is a good idea, the point is to gain experience from riding and time on the bike.

[Ocean1]

The CBTA rules have recently changed in response to people kicking the arse out of them.

You have to hold a 6R for at least 9 months before you are allowed to do your 6F CBTA assessment.

Once passed, you still have to wait until your 12 months is up before obtaining your 6F.

Just FYI.

SO it's not really about actual competence then? :laugh:

[Pound]

SO it's not really about actual competence then? :laugh:



Exactly.

One could simply hold their 6R for 12 months, do ZERO actual riding (hence gaining no additional experience) and then still be able to apply for the 6F at the end of it.

[Pound]

Or if you can't be arsed to do it by the law of the land......


https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/101627284/licence-bribery-scandal--hundreds-of-drivers-lose-licences

[release_the_bees]

Exactly.

One could simply hold their 6R for 12 months, do ZERO actual riding (hence gaining no additional experience) and then still be able to apply for the 6F at the end of it.I actually know a guy who did that. He passed his learner's. Waited a couple of years, bought a bike and a couple of weeks later passed the restricted test and sold the bike. A couple of years later he bought another bike and passed the full test a couple of weeks later. Then he sold the bike.

I'm still not sure what the point of it all was.

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[Pound]

I'm still not sure what the point of it all was.




Indeed, and not to mention the severe lack of any real "seat time" leading to a potential "accident" due to lack of experience.

[release_the_bees]

Indeed, and not to mention the severe lack of any real "seat time" leading to a potential "accident" due to lack of experience.Yeah. After he passed his full test, he was talking about getting an R1. It's probably for the best that it never happened.

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[neil.]

SO it's not really about actual competence then? :laugh:

not at all. there are/were some providers that offered combined training / testing setups, which effectively let people complete all the testing in one go, then just wait for 12 months to hand in their certificate for the 6F, having ridden for a total of about 1 day.

basic handling test on the weekend, go into the AA on monday and do the theory = 6L
combined training course and 6R test in the morning, then 6F in the afternoon, all done, and potentially without even owning a bike.

[Ocean1]

not at all. there are/were some providers that offered combined training / testing setups, which effectively let people complete all the testing in one go, then just wait for 12 months to hand in their certificate for the 6F, having ridden for a total of about 1 day.

basic handling test on the weekend, go into the AA on monday and do the theory = 6L
combined training course and 6R test in the morning, then 6F in the afternoon, all done, and potentially without even owning a bike.

So, again, fuck all to do with actual competence.

Put 'em at the top of the waterfall and tell them you'll be in the maungatuk car park with their certificate of competence in 20 minutes.

[neil.]

So, again, fuck all to do with actual competence.

Put 'em at the top of the waterfall and tell them you'll be in the maungatuk car park with their certificate of competence in 20 minutes.

that's pretty much it. let em wobble around for a day then buy whatever they like, and afterwards wonder why they crashed.

[wallydog]

Give me a shout if you're still looking for a long term rental/buy back. I run a motorcycle hire company so may be able to help you out. :-)

[rastuscat]

So, again, fuck all to do with actual competence.

Put 'em at the top of the waterfall and tell them you'll be in the maungatuk car park with their certificate of competence in 20 minutes.

Failed another guy today doing his CBTA 6R. So did my boss.

If the CBTA process is applied well it encourages competence.

We do big debriefs after any test, pass ir fail, it's a learning process.

Unless corners get cut. Hence the recent rule change to stop peiple taking the piss.

[HEsch]

Give me a shout if you're still looking for a long term rental/buy back. I run a motorcycle hire company so may be able to help you out. :-)

Bugger, never saw this, or would have been in touch! I ended up with another SV650. Also lams, but cheaper, and less kms, than the one I had. ALMOST an 'upgrade' of sorts.


I failed 6F. One mean corner at an intersection, where the lines extend much further than you expect (and clearly I didn't look/see it). Instant fail for crossing solid lines - do not pass go, even though the rest of the test was absolutely fine.
Passed the next day ;)

[KezzaCFC]

Bugger, never saw this, or would have been in touch! I ended up with another SV650. Also lams, but cheaper, and less kms, than the one I had. ALMOST an 'upgrade' of sorts.


I failed 6F. One mean corner at an intersection, where the lines extend much further than you expect (and clearly I didn't look/see it). Instant fail for crossing solid lines - do not pass go, even though the rest of the test was absolutely fine.
Passed the next day ;)

I did my 6R in Drury through CBTA, in the bronze course he showed us an intersection you go through in your test. Pretty much if you go straight through it you fail as the double yellows are directly in front of you. To pass you had to basically swerve through a 1000mm gap between the double yellows..