Shiny Side Up Bike Fest Wellington (Kapiti) 25th February 2018

[riffer]

Hi all,

This week for the Wellington Shiny Side up we are at Southwards Museum in Otaihanga (just north of Paraparaumu). If you've spare time come along to the ShinySide Up and be treated to motorcycle riding demonstrations - both stunting and gymkhana, a host of vendors, and discussions and presentations both on the latest information on motorcycle safety and visibility.

There will be talks from people on what a serious motorcycle accident is really like - to experience and to recover from - and how you can avoid it, despite what's out there. (Me - Simon Gotlieb, Peter Sowter (Sergeant in Charge, Special Crash Unit and Brittany Morrow from USA)

Kevin Williams will be presenting his astonishing evidence for why cage drivers simply don't see us (the results of which may surprise you - high viz is NOT the answer!).

And, of course, Dave Moss will be there all day doing clinics on motorcycle suspension setup and sorting.

You'll get to talk to people like yourself who are passionate about motorcycling, and also get the opportunity to talk to MSAC about what they are - and aren't - doing right with your ACC money.

There's the Show and Shine competition where you can win $500 to spend at any motorcycle store - bring your ride along and show us how great it is.

You will have an opportunity to talk to the Ride Forever people and find out all about what's being offered. Dave Keilty - the man behind the Ride Forever training - will be at the ACC marquee so you will have an opportunity to talk directly to the man who makes the decisions on the training. He's a great guy - unless you hate Newcastle United. All of the people at ACC who are dealing with motorcycling are all committed motorcyclists and they are all riding around the country to do these shows.

For $50 RideForever is some of the best life insurance you will ever buy. Talk to me about WHY I believe it saved my life. I'll be there all day.

Harley's Brand Ambassador Jay Reeve will be there so you can talk anything Harley Davidson with him.

And best yet - all of this is free.
https://shinysideup.nz/location/2 (https://shinysideup.nz/location/4)


If you want to know a bit about my story, here's a wee glimpse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFxXPhEc160


I'd love to see you there. Happy to talk anything about motorcycles and motorcycling.

Simon

[russd7]

ahhhhh so thats you, onya :2guns:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Good on ya Simon. Think we can all agree high vis is a load of bullshit. Hope all goes well.

[riffer]

I'm sure it will Pete.

Hey - I almost forgot.

We also have Randy Mamola there as well giving a presentation. I definitely want to spend some time with him finding out about his GP days and what he has to talk to us about now.

[riffer]

ahhhhh so thats you, onya :2guns:

yeah, it's me. Who else did you think it was? I've kind of been here a while too.

[granstar]

Thanks for sharing yer story. :2thumbsup

[russd7]

yeah, it's me. Who else did you think it was? I've kind of been here a while too.
maaaaate, i thought you was some hot brunette with nice ass :eek:

as me lil mate granstar says, thanks for sharing ya story

[jellywrestler]

so i'm confused, you say this week but it's listed as 25th march, what are you smoking?

[jellywrestler]

If you want to know a bit about my story, here's a wee glimpse:

it's a lovely story but don't they understand when it appears on facebook feeds about six times a day it's just shitty spam? or are they trying to justify their advertising budget.

[nerrrd]

Good on ya Simon. Think we can all agree high vis is a load of bullshit. Hope all goes well.

I don’t, because it works for me in my scientific sample of one, actively anyway (I pick it up). But no doubt there are plenty of psychological and genetic reasons why it’s no cure all.

[rustys]

so i'm confused, you say this week but it's listed as 25th march, what are you smoking?

Definatley happening - Sunday 25th February Spyda, at Southwards Car Museum 10.00am - 4.00pm.

[granstar]

maaaaate, i thought you was some hot brunette with nice ass :eek:

as me lil mate granstar says, thanks for sharing ya story

Yeah well I've decided to give up on the diet and concentrate on tall now ...that may or may not change.

[russd7]

Yeah well I've decided to give up on the diet and concentrate on tall now ...that may or may not change.

oyster season starts next week

[riffer]

it's a lovely story but don't they understand when it appears on facebook feeds about six times a day it's just shitty spam? or are they trying to justify their advertising budget.

Hmmm.

Sorry about getting the date wrong when I posted it up.

Sorry that somebody at ACC decided to spend a bit of money on Facebook trying to get the message across.

The date is 25th February, but if you went to the website you'd probably know that. I'll ask the mods to change the thread.

You sound a bit grumpy Spyda. What's the issue?

[riffer]

I don’t, because it works for me in my scientific sample of one, actively anyway (I pick it up). But no doubt there are plenty of psychological and genetic reasons why it’s no cure all.

I can recommend coming along and hearing Kevin Williams presentation of the Science of Being Seen. He points out where high-viz is of use, and where it is not. It is useful is a small amount of situations. I'm not gonna post spoilers here though. :)

[nerrrd]

I can recommend coming along and hearing Kevin Williams presentation of the Science of Being Seen. He points out where high-viz is of use, and where it is not. It is useful is a small amount of situations. I'm not gonna post spoilers here though. :)

Awww...will try to get there.

[jellywrestler]

Sorry that somebody at ACC decided to spend a bit of money on Facebook trying to get the message across.


no complaints with them doing something, and when i contacted ride forever they took my comments on board nicely and followed it up.
we see shit adds (and this isn't one) for road safety on tv jammed down our throats so often that people just shut off to it, that's what i was trying to allude to..

[riffer]

no complaints with them doing something, and when i contacted ride forever they took my comments on board nicely and followed it up.
we see shit adds (and this isn't one) for road safety on tv jammed down our throats so often that people just shut off to it, that's what i was trying to allude to..

Cheers for that Spyda. Its always a risk with any type of advertising. When I came up with the idea with Dave Keilty (in Wellington hospital, of all shortly after the accident) we talked about the effect of saturation advertising. It's tough, getting motorcyclists interested in the idea that they could get hurt doing what they love, and that they could look into training to make a difference in that eventuality.

Everybody thinks they're a pretty good rider, and that accidents happen to idiots, retards, and tourists. It's a pretty sobering reality, learning that accidents happen to everyday joes doing things pretty much right. It was my hope in making the advertisement that people would look at my story and think "well, he looks like a pretty normal guy, and something shitty happened to him, and thanks to the rider training he had, he made it through in a situation that probably he shouldn't have."

I'mm interested in what people think about those sort of adverts. If you watched it all the way through, if it felt real, believable, if it made you wonder about whether there was any benefit in rider training, if rider training actually applied to you. It's the sort of thing that Facebook advertising doesn't really give you much feedback on. That's why events like Shiny Side Up and websites like this one, where you can actually talk to people like yourself are so important.

Thanks for the feedback mate.

Simon

[riffer]

And hey thanks to all those people who came along to Shiny Side Up Kapiti. I haven't seen the numbers yet, but it was huge compared to Nelson and Hamilton, and we have Auckland this week.

One thing I have discovered, is how reserved Kiwis really are when it comes to asking questions of people who've had big accidents and come through them. If any of you guys are coming along to Shiny Side Up Auckland this Sunday, I'd really like to have some good questions to answer. I don't even mind if they are gory ones.

:)

[Crasherfromwayback]

It was my hope in making the advertisement that people would look at my story and think "well, he looks like a pretty normal guy,

Looks like a *normal guy*. Lol. Anything but mate!! :bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh:

[caseye]

Looks like a *normal guy*. Lol. Anything but mate!! :bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh:

Stop! it Crahser, his sensabilites will take a fence or a gate, have to say it's a brave move Riffer, but I reckon mostly well received. Keep up the good work mate and hey, keep on keeping on aye.

[MD]

I didn't see you there Simon. It was a big crowd!

Enjoyable time wandering around the stalls and the bikes parked up. All sorts were there.

You have to wonder where all these fat gutted old Codgers struggling to fit into their Harley t-shirt, Harley leather vest with tassels and Harley jacket come from. There must be dozens of shipping containers somewhere storing them, or at least their bikes, just waiting for a chance to squeeze into their Harley merchandise and strut around looking tough. Maybe there should be large mirrors at the entrances to these gatherings so they can see the joke we all see.

[jellywrestler]

And hey thanks to all those people who came along to Shiny Side Up Kapiti. I haven't seen the numbers yet, but it was huge compared to Nelson and Hamilton, and we have Auckland this week.


went there to see Randy Mamola, he'd gone, bit dissappointed...
also impressed with the MSAC team and how they tried to shut down any ideas to improve motorcycling safety, they'd mastered that art, had honestly thought they might have open ears on this.

[riffer]

went there to see Randy Mamola, he'd gone, bit dissappointed...
also impressed with the MSAC team and how they tried to shut down any ideas to improve motorcycling safety, they'd mastered that art, had honestly thought they might have open ears on this.

Yep, heard that one definitely. Stoney is one of my mates - he got personally fired by Gareth Morgan from the MSAC. The nature of the MSAC I fear is it is going to be swallowed up by Death by Committee. I've often wondered if it is the nature of the organisation, or the nature of motorcyclists to get nothing done we can't all agree on the same thing at the same time. Yes I known I'm being politic with that answer. I'd like to try and make a difference there one day so I'm not going to burn any bridges. I would agree with you though that the average biker would find it hard to fit in there - but there are people there committed to making a difference to riders - perhaps the constraints are in the scope of the organisation? I wonder how that could be changed?

I caught Randy. Like a lot of MotoGP riders he's a little fella. I reckon you or I are at least twice his weight. But he's a regular motorcycle fan, and he's just loving being around other motorcycling enthusiasts without all the stress of having to be in a race team at the top of the game.

The Rideforever team are really good to deal with. Dave Keilty has done a great job of building a team of motorcyclists really busting their guts to make a difference. They are behind the Shiny Side Up, along some open minded folk at NZTA. Let's hope they don't all get restructured out of existence.

An interesting thing to note. Not one single Harley Davidson rider came to any safety and training related sessions at the Lounge. I'm scratching my head at that little statistic. I wonder why it is that Harley riders don't need to consider any form of learning? After all, the All Blacks are the best team in the world and they still train and learn like it's going out of business. Other than that glaring exception we had people of all types and motorcycles attended. I just wish people were more ready to ask questions; challenge what was being said; ask for clarification and explanation if they don't quite understand things. Bikers sure can be shy sometimes.

[Paul in NZ]

We didn't make it this year - we are training for a non motorcycle event and needed to fit in a last session or 2 on our mountain bikes (scared myself witless and Vicki just bombs down like the super style queen - gah)...

Anyway - Heading away from the event area we were caught up by 2 guys presumably leaving early... Fuck me no wonder they left early, obviously wasn't their scene at all. Its been a long time since I've seen speeds and hairy shit like that on SH1...

Heading north - everyone seemed to ride well and normally... So maybe it worked...

I will try and attend next time. I have some reservations but will make the effort if we are still riding the ST next year...

[caseye]

Riffy, what time, wherabouts here in Dorkland this weekend?
Please.
:Oi::Oi::Oi:

[eldog]

https://www.eventfinda.co.nz/2018/shiny-side-up-bike-fest-2018/auckland/epsom

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bugger can’t make it.:no:

Riffer, bikers don’t want to appear soft or stupid.
saw a scooter plough through a stop sign without looking, only a helmet tee shirt, shorts and jandals.

it spoils the image.

harleys don’t crash or get run into.......

[rambaldi]

https://www.eventfinda.co.nz/2018/shiny-side-up-bike-fest-2018/auckland/epsom

google

bugger can’t make it.:no:

Riffer, bikers don’t want to appear soft or stupid.
saw a scooter plough through a stop sign without looking, only a helmet tee shirt, shorts and jandals.

it spoils the image.

harleys don’t crash or get run into.......

Better than the Busa I saw last night. Passenger had a helmet but it looked like the rider hoped a hoodie would be good enough.

[eldog]

Better than the Busa I saw last night. Passenger had a helmet but it looked like the rider hoped a hoodie would be good enough.
Not much better than the rider with the open mask helmet cigerrette hanging out the corner of the mouth, the next night.

[caseye]

Just got home from telling lies to Riffer at the Auckland Shiny Side Up Bike Fest held at the Alexandra Park Raceway around the back in the biggest sealed car park.
This event was steadily patronised all day, the stunt riders on thier well oiled Harleys did a great job with a slightly misshapened car park area that had them going down hill and uphill in the same manouvre, be it a wheel stand or a rear tyre smokeing doughy. These guys were good to watch and thier skills are exceptional. Good to talk with Chance one of ther riders betwen his stints at stunting, awesome skills guys and the degree of control given the surface was exceptional. As were the skills of the Pilot Bike guys and the Lone Motorcycle Police Officer, as well as that crazy guy on the little bike, corning so hard out with impressive outside leans to get through those cones, all of these riders did themsleves and their skills proud, it was good to watch, hard to do I'm sure.
Good to see so many of the Motorcycling worlds shops, stores and rider training outfits present, pro ride, pass,rite and ride forever among them, also to see AT, ACC and MCAC all with plenty of people to talk with interested riders.
Sat in on a safety briefing about the different degrees of protection from abrassion and bursting, depending on the gear you are using and to find out that even the good gear I've spent good money on recently is still only going to keep you and the road seperated for not much more than about 8-17 seconds before you'r gravel grist.
OK, so non of us expect to crash, but if you do, having the right gear gives you so much more of a chance of getting up and dusting off, instead of spending days,weeks months in hostiapl recovering from severe gravel rash.
The new gear coming out now and in the near future including airbags and vests with built in automatically deploying air cushions is impressive.
The serious side of motorcycling was more than adaquetely brought home by the talks of Brittany, Simon and Peter Sowter, their overiding message, look to yourself for most of what is going wrong, you can see what is happening ahead of you, beside you and of course and naturally behind you ( mirrors people) So go out and enjoy your ride, plan to get home safe and keep your speed and road position such that you have the best chance of avoiding an accident before it happens.
And of course the fact that over 50% of motorcycle accidents only involve a motorcycle and it's rider, means We can help take 50% of the accident statistics off the ledger, if only we could stop that right wrist and keep those eyeballs swiveling.
I had a good day out and came away happy that I'd attended and shown support and a willingness to listen to the message from people who have been there and experienced that.
It's not a stick waving message, it's a simple one, ride to the conditions and don't drop your guard, ever.Message.
Oh an Riff, get a bandit, you'll never regret it.