CBTA Rule Change

[rastuscat]

The CBTA rules have recently changed (1/2/18) in response to people kicking the arse out of them.

You have to hold a 6R for at least 9 months before you are allowed to do your 6F CBTA assessment.

Once passed, you still have to wait until your 12 months is up before obtaining your 6F.

Just FYI.

[Scuba_Steve]

What was it before?

Still a waste tho, should still be 6L - 6F; 6R serves no actual purpose

[HEsch]

What was it before?

Still a waste tho, should still be 6L - 6F; 6R serves no actual purpose

I think, but don't quote me, the blood alcohol level is slightly higher on 6R than 6L.
The other bonus is no L plate to display.
Other than that I believe everything is the same - no riding outside of 10pm to 5am, no pillion, LAMS bike, etc.

[Akzle]

What was it before?

Still a waste tho, should still be 6L - 6F; 6R serves no actual purpose
vote akzle

Licenses will no doubt become harder to get with the high death toll amoung riders but how many are the fault of the riders though? Limiting the size of bikes for guys that have a midlife crisis gap in their riding could be a good thing maybe.

you're a fuckwit

[Berries]

Licenses will no doubt become harder to get with the high death toll amoung riders but how many are the fault of the riders though? Limiting the size of bikes for guys that have a midlife crisis gap in their riding could be a good thing maybe.
I really don't know why I bother. All but one of the fatal crashes involving a motorbike in January were primarily the riders fault so you are wrong on that count. You could argue they might have been unlucky in some cases but they put themselves in to the position which directly led to them coming to a very sudden stop.

Four riders under 35 and two over 60 out of the nine involved would suggest you are wrong on the mid life crisis bit as well. You should perhaps change the record once in a while.

[Akzle]

You should perhaps change the record once in a while.

ever the optimist.

i've told y'all before. it's immune to logic. fuckwit it and move on.

[Akzle]

i'm a fuckwit

yeah we know. there's no need to keep proving it.

[Akzle]

like how there were so many stories in the media about weapons af mass destruction, and swine flu, and SARS and.... c*ssina is a fuckwit.

[caspernz]

How would you know that all of the crashes but one in January were the fault of the rider when they never say who is at fault in media releases? There are many stories told about the danger of being a mid life crisis rider and if they were in the minority of crashes overall would there not be many stories about how the older you get the safer you are on a bike?

When a chap from the SCU shares details, I’d sooner listen to his facts than your ongoing BS.

[Akzle]

When a chap from the SCU shares details, I’d sooner listen to his facts than your ongoing BS.

i'd sooner listen to a hundred mosquitoes.

[rastuscat]

What was it before?

Still a waste tho, should still be 6L - 6F; 6R serves no actual purpose

Used to be that as soon as you got your 6R, you could do your 6F test. Now you have to wait at least 9 months.

The minimum 12 months on your 6R hasn't changed.

When the GDLS started the difference between 6L and 6R included not being able to exceed 70 kmh on your 6L. That was stupid, and got deleted early in the scheme.

Now the only difference is the L plate.

[Berries]

When a chap from the SCU shares details, I’d sooner listen to his facts than your ongoing BS.
Fuck no, I'm not the Police, how very dare you. I do have access to the actual crash reports though so know not to believe everything I read in the papers.

[Murray]

Fuck no, I'm not the Police, how very dare you. I do have access to the actual crash reports though so know not to believe everything I read in the papers.

So you don't "I read, I saw, I was told" like some dickwhack that keeps posting make believe on this site

Good on you!!!

[nzspokes]

Used to be that as soon as you got your 6R, you could do your 6F test. Now you have to wait at least 9 months.

The minimum 12 months on your 6R hasn't changed.

When the GDLS started the difference between 6L and 6R included not being able to exceed 70 kmh on your 6L. That was stupid, and got deleted early in the scheme.

Now the only difference is the L plate.

I had that 70 restriction for a bit. Ruled out motorways. Was very stupid.

I must say the CBTA system sounds much better.

[nzspokes]

How would you know that all of the crashes but one in January were the fault of the rider when they never say who is at fault in media releases? There are many stories told about the danger of being a mid life crisis rider and if they were in the minority of crashes overall would there not be many stories about how the older you get the safer you are on a bike?

There are times when you outdo yourself with stupid, today is one of those days. :laugh:

[Akzle]

So the truth hurts you then???

you clearly missed the bit where the guy who has access to the details, not relying on what sensationalist crap is put in "the media" (your source) said that you were wrong.

it's probably because you're a fuckwit.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Fuck no, I'm not the Police, how very dare you. I do have access to the actual crash reports though so know not to believe everything I read in the papers.

I've had some limited experience with SCU in the context of a death and an estate. I was very impressed with the people, and the system, and the report. The outcome still sucked though - i.e. the person was not any less dead.

[Akzle]

Where does he say he has access to the details? Even black and white accident investigations can take the police 3 weeks or more to process. Ignore the sensational crap in the media at your peril fuckwit.

my peril :rofl:

you're a fuckwit.

[nzspokes]

Where does he say he has access to the details? Even black and white accident investigations can take the police 3 weeks or more to process. Ignore the sensational crap in the media at your peril fuckwit.

It is funny you cannot remember other threads you have spouted crap in that had this information from the SCU in it.

Not really funny but sad.:facepalm:

[Reckless]

Started out a sensible discussion then stupid Miss Cassina takes over (totally stuffs) another KB thread aye :brick:

[caspernz]

Fuck no, I'm not the Police, how very dare you. I do have access to the actual crash reports though so know not to believe everything I read in the papers.

Sorry chap, didn't mean you. The info you shared also came via another source, but it's all the same basically. When the first 12 bike deaths this year are looked at, and 11 of them are down to rider error, there's a case for calling cassina out on her BS.

[Woodman]

Licenses will no doubt become harder to get with the high death toll amoung riders but how many are the fault of the riders though? Limiting the size of bikes for guys that have a midlife crisis gap in their riding could be a good thing maybe.

You're a fuckwit


How would you know that all of the crashes but one in January were the fault of the rider when they never say who is at fault in media releases? There are many stories told about the danger of being a mid life crisis rider and if they were in the minority of crashes overall would there not be many stories about how the older you get the safer you are on a bike?

You're a fuckwit


So the truth hurts you then???

You're a fuckwit


Where does he say he has access to the details? Even black and white accident investigations can take the police 3 weeks or more to process. Ignore the sensational crap in the media at your peril fuckwit.

You're a fuckwit

[Woodman]

So if the authorities make changes to getting a motorcycle license as a result of all the crashes and deaths you will be calling them fuckwits too sport??

Possibly, yes.

You're a fuckwit.


Sport?:tugger::tugger::tugger::tugger::tugger::tug ger::tugger:

[Akzle]

So if the authorities make changes to getting a motorcycle license as a result of all the crashes and deaths you will be calling them fuckwits too sport??

still mostly you. you fuckwit.

[Akzle]

Possibly, yes.

You're a fuckwit.


Sport?:tugger::tugger::tugger::tugger::tugger::tug ger::tugger:

rbcifgip .

[Jeeper]

Why must every single thread get destroyed by off topic dribble and ranting.

[Grumph]

How long is it before you start school so you can learn some new words?


Ironic from a self educated, self described motorcyclist and self evident fuckwit....




Why must every single thread get destroyed by off topic dribble and ranting.

Keep cassina off line and do the world a favour.

[Jeeper]

I'm not the one responding to her posts. I use ignore feature of the forum. But it is getting tiring to see every single topic getting de-railed.

[Pound]

What was it before?

Still a waste tho, should still be 6L - 6F; 6R serves no actual purpose


Indeed.

One could simply hold their 6R for 12 months, do ZERO actual riding (hence gaining no additional experience) and then still be able to apply for the 6F at the end of it.

[rastuscat]

Indeed.

One could simply hold their 6R for 12 months, do ZERO actual riding (hence gaining no additional experience) and then still be able to apply for the 6F at the end of it.

Riding improves with experience, but only up to a certain level. After which it decays.

I know lots of very experienced riders who would fail to pass todays CBTA standard.

[Old Steve]

Used to be that as soon as you got your 6R, you could do your 6F test. Now you have to wait at least 9 months.

The minimum 12 months on your 6R hasn't changed.

When the GDLS started the difference between 6L and 6R included not being able to exceed 70 kmh on your 6L. That was stupid, and got deleted early in the scheme.

Now the only difference is the L plate.

I think that under the previous system, when you could only ride a 250 cc, you had to wait 12 months on your 6R before you could sit your 6F, unless you were over a certain age (60?) or did a defensive driving course then you only had to wait 6 months.

[HEsch]

I think that under the previous system, when you could only ride a 250 cc, you had to wait 12 months on your 6R before you could sit your 6F, unless you were over a certain age (60?) or did a defensive driving course then you only had to wait 6 months.

Correction - 18 months, reduced to 12 by completing defensive driving (not 12 and 6).

[Akzle]

I'm not the one responding to her posts. I use ignore feature of the forum. But it is getting tiring to see every single topic getting de-railed.

report them as off-topic, derailing thread, ignoring netiquette, being a fuckwit...

[rastuscat]

What are the first signs that a riders riding ability is decaying? I am guessing you mean decaying with age?
With the experienced riders you know what is exactly wrong with their riding for you to think the way you do?

Observational skills, positioning in response to the environment, and following distance are the 3 main things that "experienced" riders lack, compared to newly trained riders.

[Grumph]

Observational skills, positioning in response to the environment, and following distance are the 3 main things that "experienced" riders lack, compared to newly trained riders.

So they get lazy - and it becomes a casual attitude.

My observation is that you're right - to a point. As riders get older, the fear factor comes back and they sharpen up the things you mentioned.

[Swoop]

What are the first signs that a riders riding ability is decaying?

Finally, with all the crashes you have had, a topic that you will have some actual experience on.
Presumably being a retarded cunt would be one of the contributing factors...

[oldiebutagoody]

Observational skills, positioning in response to the environment, and following distance are the 3 main things that experienced riders lack, compared to newly trained riders.

SOME experienced riders, not all.

"Some" others have been driving/riding a long time professionally and are constantly retraining. Adding new Lic classes and having to refresh periodically as part of employment conditions keeps one on one's toes.

Tar, brush, same, please don't..........

Not every rider on the road has killed themselves this year, their own fault or not.

[Akzle]

How long is it before you start school so you can learn some new words?

how long before you stop repeating the same shit, in threads where it's not even relevant, like some kind of brain damaged mong?

you fuckwit.

[Woodman]

There is always a reason why licensing requirements may change and that maybe due to the current means of licensing not making riding safe enough. I was just pointing out the high number of motorcycle riding deaths maybe the reason for this so there is a possible conection but not everyone on this site including you is bright enough to see it. Fuckwit yourself.

See what? ..................

[Dodgyiti]

So you don't "I read, I saw, I was told" like some dickwhack that keeps posting make believe on this site

Good on you!!!

I love it when your angry :love:

[Murray]

I love it when your angry :love:

hello me old mate - long time no see, no hear no read. Not a bit like that bint I was referring to.
You still on SH22?

[Akzle]

There is always a reason why licensing requirements may change and that maybe due to the current means of licensing not making riding safe enough. I was just pointing out the high number of motorcycle riding deaths maybe the reason for this so there is a possible conection but not everyone on this site including you is bright enough to see it. Fuckwit yourself.

so when are you going to stop repeating the same irrelevant shit in every thread?

you fuckwit

[rastuscat]

Confirmed my suspicions today. Fully licensed bloke on a Speed Triple attended a Silver course.

He was gob smacked at what people are assessed on in today's CBTA tests.

Such things as positioning, observations, progression.

He was a really competent rider, he just didn't know what he didn't know.

[Woodman]

If you dont like what I post why do you waste your time responding with your shit responses fuckwit?

Yeah but its not just axel though is it?


You would not be calling him competent if he did not know much though rather you would be calling him incompetent I would have thought?

You're a fuckwit, and incompetent.

[Akzle]

If you dont like what I post why do you waste your time responding with your shit responses fuckwit?

someone on here once told you the answer to that, so i heard apparently.
you still haven't answered the question. why do you post the same shit, in every thread, where it's fucken irrelevant?

and in case you haven't noticed (you probably haven't, because you're a fuckwit) it's not only me that thinks you're a fuckwit.

you fuckwit.

[Akzle]

I would have thought

don't kid yourself.

you're a fuckwit.

[Murray]

You would not be calling him competent if he did not know much though rather you would be calling him incompetent I would have thought?

fighting with your mate rastu now - Hate to say but Akzle is right and not the only one. Answer me one question if you would are you male or female??

[rastuscat]

You would not be calling him competent if he did not know much though rather you would be calling him incompetent I would have thought?

He was a really good bike handler. Held good presence on the road.

But Ride Forever and CBTA are very structured, and if you haven't done one if the courses, especially Bronze or Silver, you'd likely have no idea of the concepts involved.

I wouldn't say he was incompetent. Just unstructured.

[Murray]

and if you haven't done one of the courses


HahaHahaHahaHahaHahaHahaHahaHahaHahaHahaHahaHahaHa haHahaHaha

Haven't you read he/she doesn't need them!!

Male/female Cassina let us all know!!!

[Akzle]

Male/female Cassina let us all know!!!

that's just sexist and derrogatory.

fuckwits can identify as any gender.

[T.W.R]

that's just sexist and derrogatory.

fuckwits can identify as any gender.

:scratch: I thought bacteria was asexual

[Coldrider]

that's just sexist and derrogatory.

fuckwits can identify as any gender.What if IT is a she, and is HOT.

[Akzle]

:scratch: I thought bacteria was asexual
rbcifgip

What if IT is a she, and is HOT.

what if? it's still a fuckwit.

[Woodman]

I would say then that I am unstructured too but is that necessarily a bad thing for experienced riders as the word structure in my view translates to being confined in what you do and being confined to doing only specific things on the road could very easily get you into trouble when you strike a situation that was not taught in riding school.

Riding school cannot teach every single situation. Why can you not get this simple fact?

[Akzle]

this thread had exactly nothing to do with riding school.

c*ssina is a fuckwit.

[Woodman]

So why should you be constrained to what a riding school can teach if you are an experienced rider? Do you not get that simple fact?

You can have both you fucking retard.

You are a fuckwit