Cycle Lane Enforcement [Archive]

rastuscat

27th February 2018, 11:58

Amusing.

Christchurch City has a camera they use to target cars illegally using bus lanes.

With a flick of a switch, they could use it to target motorcyclists illegally using cycle lanes. I'm not suggesting they will, just that they could.

I'm not entirely opposed to the idea, as I've attended a lot of crashes where a motorcyclist or moped rider has been SMIDSY'd when riding up a cycle lane.

What say you, citizen?

Navy Boy

27th February 2018, 13:10

Yep - It winds me up when you see bikes (Scooters mainly but I've seen plenty of bikers do it as well) using the cycle lanes, often at some speed.

All it does it hack the cagers off and one poorly timed door opening could be very painful.

:wacko:

russd7

27th February 2018, 19:58

no cycle lanes in western southland but apparently nightcaps is growing despite the mines being stuffed but as for cycle lanes round invers, just wish the cyclists would learn how to use them.

rastuscat

27th February 2018, 21:14

no cycle lanes in western southland but apparently nightcaps is growing despite the mines being stuffed but as for cycle lanes round invers, just wish the cyclists would learn how to use them.

I wuz born in Nightcaps. I cycled there.

AllanB

27th February 2018, 21:28

rastuscat

27th February 2018, 21:42

HenryDorsetCase

27th February 2018, 21:51

I am a huge fan of cycleways and think they are an investment. The ones in the CBD kind of suck but mainly because of the number of driveways and such crossing them. Tuam and St Asaph are good examples. If I ride to work i have a fantastic separated cycleway all the way from Brougham Street to Chinatown. The most dangerous part is Annex Rd/Blenheim Rd/Hansons Lane - still a cycleway but just paint on road.

As a ratepayer and taxpayer I am happy to subsidise them.

I tend not to use cycle lanes when motorbike commuting because if I am filtering I only do it when traffic is stopped and I tend to do it between two lanes (i.e. up the middle, or on the right) because I think I have better vision.

I had a 9am meeting across town today and took the motorbike because the traffic suck diddly ucked.

EJK

28th February 2018, 07:08

Don't start me on those money wasting CHCH councilors :facepalm:

And the stupid cycle lanes they are spending millions on ...............

And their inability to have any contractor repair a road properly...........

Or monitor the water properly ................

Tards.

I work at an office over looking Tuam St and goodness-gracious-great-balls-of-fire whole lot of "cyclists" don't even seem to know how to ride on the cycle lane. Riding up the wrong way (Tuam St is one-way), on footpaths, main car road etc.

Why did the council even build it?

Don't get me started on cyclists running red lights.

Scuba_Steve

28th February 2018, 07:41

I'm not entirely opposed to the idea, as I've attended a lot of crashes where a motorcyclist or moped rider has been SMIDSY'd when riding up a cycle lane.

What say you, citizen?

My question is what makes using a moto-cycle in a cycle lane more hazardous than a pedal-cycle in a cycle lane?
Or is it just that the motor variants go 'too fast for conditions'

rastuscat

28th February 2018, 07:57

Cycle lanes are a real conundrum. They ate intended to increase cycle safety and increase cycling as a transport mode.

But sometimes they are just plain dangerous. It's more to do with the way cyclists use them.

Normally they are up the left hand side if traffic. If traffic builds up, they allow cyclists to progress by going up the left hand side of both stationary and crawling traffic.

Trouble is, conflicting traffic flows don't expect or anticipate them to being going up the left hand side, especially at intersections.

Two to three times a week a cyclist or motorcyclist gets cleaned up going up the left side of a line of stationary vehicles by a vehicle turning through a gap left in that line by a decent bloke.

Even legally riding up a bus lane, on the left of stationary vehicles, is dead risky. Being legal doesn't negate risk.

I just think if nobody rode their motorcycle or moped in cycle lanes (as required by law) l3ss people would get smidsyd doing so.

Akzle

28th February 2018, 11:54

get cyclists off the road. stupid idiots.
make them motorcycle lanes.

Swoop

28th February 2018, 12:56

Don't get me started on cyclists running red lights.

What is your opinion on the pschylist being required to stop at a red light?
Does their lycra make their arse look fat while waiting for the red light to change?

rastuscat

28th February 2018, 13:09

get cyclists off the road.

Cool. So you agree that lots of money should be spent separating cycle paths from traffic lanes.

I had no idea we thought the same way on this.

EJK

28th February 2018, 13:17

What is your opinion on the pschylist being required to stop at a red light?
Does their lycra make their arse look fat while waiting for the red light to change?

The ones I saw don't wear lycras. Too expensive and fancy.

Mostly hipsters and hoodie wearing junkies on stolen bikes wearing no helmets.

Akzle

28th February 2018, 13:19

Cool. So you agree that lots of money should be spent separating cycle paths from traffic lanes.

I had no idea we thought the same way on this.

yes and no. yes get them the fuck off the road.
no to spending lots of real people's money on them.

Akzle

28th February 2018, 13:27

The ones I saw don't wear lycras. Too expensive and fancy.

Mostly hipsters and hoodie wearing junkies on stolen bikes wearing no helmets.

nah they can stay.

10 points eash.

awayatc

28th February 2018, 18:33

Human beings on the slowest and most vulnerable means of transport seem to cop a lot of flak in Unzed....

Why.....?

Even more incomprehensible is when this is coming from "bikers".....

Tossers more like it.

And no, I don't ride a push bike myself,
But I give those that do a wide berth...

GazzaH

28th February 2018, 18:50

Ezakly.

It was, what, a month ago that we saw a similar rabid reaction to cyclists using noodles to carve themselves a little more life-space.

FJRider

28th February 2018, 19:12

I wuz born in Nightcaps. I cycled there.

You must be really clever ... I was born in Tuatapere ... but I wasn't old enough to walk ... ;)

rastuscat

28th February 2018, 19:24

You must be really clever ... I was born in Tuatapere ... but I wasn't old enough to walk ... ;)

ah Tu at a Pere. The Sausage Cspital of NZ. My whanau is in the cemetry there.

We may be related.

FJRider

28th February 2018, 19:29

But sometimes they are just plain dangerous. It's more to do with the way cyclists use them.

As always ... it's not what you've got ... it's how you use it ... ;)

Perhaps ... if they stayed off our roads ... we'll stay out of their cycle lanes ... ;)

... But if all road users used the road system as the law requires ... specific lanes for cyclists (only) would not be required.

FJRider

28th February 2018, 19:31

ah Tu at a Pere. The Sausage Cspital of NZ. My whanau is in the cemetry there.

We may be related.

............................................. :blink: :confused: :mobile: :sick: :Offtopic: :bye:

AllanB

28th February 2018, 19:49

I've no problem with people cycling, shit I have one in the shed somewhere. My main issues with cycle lanes in Christchurch are:

1. They give the illusion of a 'safe' area. There is no safe area, you are more vulnerable on a cycle in traffic that a motorcycle. Peddling flat out down the inside of a huge cue of cars thinking you are safe because the council painted a line is dangerous thinking. I spent years biking to work, never needed those lanes and kept my eyes keen.

2. The truly bizarre construction of some of the inner city lanes and the same stupid design is now working it's way out to Edgeware and Hoon Hay ....... utter waste of money in construction of extra curbs etc.

pritch

28th February 2018, 19:53

There are cycle lanes in town here, we adopted them early in the piece, I suspect because at least of the town planners was a cyclist. There was a whinge from someone on the council a few years ago that there are fewer cyclists in New Plymouth than in Palmerston North or in Napier. A quick look at the topography whould explain that to any normal person, but to a councillor perhaps not.

Even though we have them I have tended to avoid them, having a preference for the roads less travelled.

Murray

28th February 2018, 19:53

no to spending lots of real people's money on them.

You live on a benefit don't you? Who are these real people you speak of??

Akzle

28th February 2018, 21:20

You live on a benefit don't you? Who are these real people you speak of??

my mate jesus and his hombrés

Swoop

1st March 2018, 12:26

Human beings on the slowest and most vulnerable means of transport seem to cop a lot of flak in Unzed....

Why.....?

Even more incomprehensible is when this is coming from "bikers"..

Simply because of them wobbling about in groups and failing to obey what little laws affect them (No more than 2 abreast, single file when passing a parked car, etc).
Simple shit really.

old slider

1st March 2018, 12:47

Simply because of them wobbling about in groups and failing to obey what little laws affect them (No more than 2 abreast, single file when passing a parked car, etc).
Simple shit really.

Two abreast is crazy on most of the roads around my district, we already have to slow down and stay behind single riders to then pass safely. On many of our 100kmph roads it is often a very quick slow down when cresting a rise or rounding a bend seeing cyclists in front of you and oncoming vehicles.

rastuscat

1st March 2018, 14:12

Two abreast is crazy on most of the roads around my district, we already have to slow down and stay behind single riders to then pass safely. On many of our 100kmph roads it is often a very quick slow down when cresting a rise or rounding a bend seeing cyclists in front of you and oncoming vehicles.

Your frustration is born from the expectation that you have an entitlement to travel at the speed limit all the time.

Having to slow down is just life. Things happen. Kids kick balls out onto the road. Cyclists ride, sometimes inconsiderately. Some drivers want to go slow, unlawfully if they are impeding traffic.

The speed limit is not a God given right.

FJRider

1st March 2018, 14:15

My question is what makes using a moto-cycle in a cycle lane more hazardous than a pedal-cycle in a cycle lane?
Or is it just that the motor variants go 'too fast for conditions'

If you are not supposed to be there ... the motor vehicle operators do not expect you to be there ... and wont look for you there.

If car parking is permitted to the inside of the cycle lane ... car doors opening can be expected. Best you leave that hazard to the cyclists and save that clear space to avoid hitting doors.

rastuscat

1st March 2018, 14:39

If you are not supposed to be there ... the motor vehicle operators do not expect you to be there ... and wont look for you there.

If car parking is permitted to the inside of the cycle lane ... car doors opening can be expected. Best you leave that hazard to the cyclists and save that clear space to avoid hitting doors.

Ah, the door zone. There's a topic on its' own.

We tell people not to ride their motorbikes within 2 metres of a parked car. That's the door zone, where some plonker will throw their door open into your face without looking.

That's where we expect cyclists to ride.................

FJRider

1st March 2018, 14:49

... That's where we expect cyclists to ride.................

Did that issue ever occur to the wise person(s) that instigated the whole "Bike Lane" thing ... ???

pritch

1st March 2018, 14:53

Ah, the door zone. There's a topic on its' own.

I learned to check that on the push bike also did it on the moped at times, not so much on the bike.

There was a lawyer doored a female cyclist, she was seriously hurt, it cost him ten grand or thereabout. The judge must've been a cyclist?

rambaldi

1st March 2018, 14:56

Did that issue ever occur to the wise person(s) that instigated the whole "Bike Lane" thing ... ???

Knowing people in the field that plan that sort of thing, it very much did. Pretty much all the bike lanes that end up like that were because they couldn't get anything better without people kicking up a fuss about mah parking.

FJRider

1st March 2018, 15:07

Knowing people in the field that plan that sort of thing, it very much did. Pretty much all the bike lanes that end up like that were because they couldn't get anything better without people kicking up a fuss about mah parking.

And still claim they are working with the best interest of the cyclists in mind.

But ... it's that or nothing.

And individual selfishness in all groups cause the resulting (before mentioned) problems.

russd7

1st March 2018, 18:38

.

The speed limit is not a God given right.

of course its not a god given right, we all know its a target to be met and surpassed :rolleyes:

Graystone

1st March 2018, 18:43

old slider

1st March 2018, 18:45

Your frustration is born from the expectation that you have an entitlement to travel at the speed limit all the time.

Having to slow down is just life. Things happen. Kids kick balls out onto the road. Cyclists ride, sometimes inconsiderately. Some drivers want to go slow, unlawfully if they are impeding traffic.

The speed limit is not a God given right.

Not frustrated Rastuscat, I just think it is irresponsible of cyclists to continue riding two abreast with motorized vehicles banking up behind them, the 1.5 mt safety distance allows you to pass with out using up the entire opposite lane when they are single file, but our narrow roads mean you are getting close to driving on the opposite verge when they steadfastly hold to the two abreast or sometimes 3 when they go on group rides. edit, not talking about passing them on motorcycles.

Whynot

1st March 2018, 19:08

get cyclists off the road. stupid idiots.
make them motorcycle lanes.

what he said

AllanB

1st March 2018, 19:21

I learned to check that on the push bike also did it on the moped at times, not so much on the bike.

There was a lawyer doored a female cyclist, she was seriously hurt, it cost him ten grand or thereabout. The judge must've been a cyclist?

I know someone with a arm that will bother her for the rest of her life due to door v cycle.

It really is not hard to check before opening it.

And F-wits in car parks who throw their doors open into other parked cars.

rastuscat

1st March 2018, 20:59

what he said

By default they virtually are motorcycle overtaking lanes, though not legally.

Berries

1st March 2018, 22:47

Christchurch City has a camera they use to target cars illegally using bus lanes.

With a flick of a switch, they could use it to target motorcyclists illegally using cycle lanes. I'm not suggesting they will, just that they could.
What I still don't get is this flick of a switch thing. How are cycle lanes actually enforced in Chch?

Seem to me that it is illegal for motorbikes and cars to use cycle lanes and what ever type of enforcement is used can tell the difference between these two groups and push bikes. I can't work out why a camera that targets illegal cars can't target illegal motorbikes at the same time however it is activated. Seems stupid.

granstar

2nd March 2018, 05:41

Saw a 6 pack yesterday all lycra clad two abreast wobbling along the cycle lane, albeit legal the ones on the outside were right on the white line, a wide berth required to pass them. IMO they should be single file and also with open road biking. They can run any race as a time race rather than a first past the post.
The people in the group appeared to be kids, so unlikely they are licenced to drive with a good chance they do not understand the road code or perception of drivers having to navigate past them, perhaps a road test for cyclists, food for thought?

Voltaire

2nd March 2018, 06:21

I take the old BMW or Vespa into town 2-3 times a week.

I can use the bus lane from Greenwoods Corner to Newmarket....and its a cycle lane, 3 person lane, taxi lane and now EV lane.

There are dedicated cycle lanes in the city but trusting frustrated distracted, increasingly foreign born motorists to give me room on a

bicycle....ah no thanks.

Are red lights optional when you cycle?

rastuscat

2nd March 2018, 06:40

Grumph

2nd March 2018, 06:42

Are red lights optional when you cycle?

Apparently so....I date this from around 1970 or thereabouts. Prior to this time, genuine traffic police would, if they saw you do it, give you a stern lecture and depending on your age, possibly even tell parents.

awayatc

2nd March 2018, 07:05

rastuscat

2nd March 2018, 08:19

Intolerance towards any group says more about the person spouting it, then it does about the group being rubbished....

You are my hero. Couldn't have said it better.

Moi

2nd March 2018, 08:27

... I can use the bus lane from Greenwoods Corner to Newmarket....and it's a cycle lane, 3 person lane, taxi lane and now EV lane....

Since when can taxis and EVs use a Bus Lane or T3/Bus Lane?

Moi

2nd March 2018, 08:32

I'm looking forward to hearing some balance on here.

So far all I've heard is that every cyclist holds up traffic for 17 kilometres even when riding on their own.

And every cyclist rides through at least 5 red lights every time they ride out their gate. Even in towns with no traffic lights.

We have a lot of similar risks on the road (SMIDSY). I'm not sure hating helps.

I think it's a case of "shark eats minnow", in this case the shark is a motorcyclist and the minnow is a pedal-cyclist...

Agree with awayatc that many NZ drivers and riders, for that matter, need to learn to "share" the road with other road users because you don't own the road - if you do own it then bloody do something about the state of the bloody road! - you only get to share it...

As traffic volumes increase then drivers/riders will have to become more tolerant of others and allow everyone to use the road in a safe manner, we all have the right to use a public highway in a responsible manner...

Akzle

2nd March 2018, 09:24

Intolerance towards any group says more about the person spouting it, then it does about the group being rubbished....

yeah but we're not talking about people, we're talking about cyclists.

Swoop

2nd March 2018, 09:39

Since when can taxis and EVs use a Bus Lane or T3/Bus Lane?

EV's have been using the lanes with "EV" on them for some time now. Fuck knows why.
Logically they pollute less, so should be sitting in traffic (not polluting) while some gas-guzzler uses the quick lane to get their polluting done quickly.

Also, why are there EV charging places in carparks, normally closest to the entrances?
I'm planning to park the V6 there one day and dangle the plug under the bonnet. Fuckem!:motu:

old slider

2nd March 2018, 10:12

Intolerance towards any group says more about the person spouting it, then it does about the group being rubbished....

Lol,

if a group or dare I say it a culture continuously get seen or are caught to be doing something that is unacceptable by the majority of citizens, then they will develop an intolerance.

Moi

2nd March 2018, 11:08

EV's have been using the lanes with "EV" on them for some time now. Fuck knows why...

Because, like many drivers/riders they don't know what the rules are or just don't care...

The new leader of the National Party said, last year: NZHerald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11676876) and NBR (https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/electric-vehicle-incentive-legislation-kicks-auckland-transport-not-playing-ball-ck-p) that EVs could use them, BUT Auckland Transport said "No" to using them in their area. I understand that EVs can use a couple of the T2/T3 lanes leading onto a motorway.

BTW, do you mean the "EV" on the lane designation sign or the "EV" sticker on the vehicle?

Swoop

2nd March 2018, 13:01

EVs can use a couple of the T2/T3 lanes leading onto a motorway.

BTW, do you mean the "EV" on the lane designation sign:yes: or the "EV" sticker on the vehicle?:no:

The signs on the transit lanes have an added "EV".

rastuscat

2nd March 2018, 13:34

The signs on the transit lanes have an added "EV".

That's an idea. I'll add BMW to the signs. Quids in.

Grumph

2nd March 2018, 13:52

Also, why are there EV charging places in carparks, normally closest to the entrances?
I'm planning to park the V6 there one day and dangle the plug under the bonnet. Fuckem!:motu:

Agree - but the reason is the cheap-ass councils who want a charging place but won't pay for trenching/wiring to get it put in a place that doesn't offend...

Moi

2nd March 2018, 14:15

The signs on the transit lanes have an added "EV".

Is it part of this trial?

Green light for Auckland electric vehicle bypass lane trial (https://www.nzta.govt.nz/media-releases/green-light-for-auckland-electric-vehicle-bypass-lane-trial/)

granstar

2nd March 2018, 16:09

Lol,

if a group or dare I say it a culture continuously get seen or are caught to be doing something that is unacceptable by the majority of citizens, then they will develop an intolerance.

Yet flame throwers continue but don't make any difference to said "culture", they will continue to get away with whatever, its a free world unless you get caught out, common sense required meantime to look after yer back and others, its a human nature thing.

You're not vegan by chance are you?

Voltaire

2nd March 2018, 16:27

Since when can taxis and EVs use a Bus Lane or T3/Bus Lane?

I noticed the EV a couple of weeks back on Manukau Road.

Lots of taxis now as they are EV too in many cases.

Two days last week Mr Council was there taking photos, good earner at $150 a time, I do get a schadenfreude hit seeing cars

getting pinged.:laugh:

Moi

2nd March 2018, 16:34

I noticed the EV a couple of weeks back on Manukau Road.

Lots of taxis now as they are EV too in many cases.

Two days last week Mr Council was there taking photos, good earner at $150 a time, I do get a schadenfreude hit seeing cars

getting pinged.:laugh:

+1 on cars getting pinged for misuse of bus lanes...

Guess they don't have to know the rules to get a taxi licence... hybrids that don't plug-in are not EVs, plus Manukau Rd is not part of the EV trial underway on Transit Lanes that access motorways...

Been interesting doing a wee bit of research today about who may use various "special vehicle lanes" in the Auckland Council area.

Swoop

2nd March 2018, 17:56

I'll add BMW to the signs.
How's Bob Marley & the Wailers gonna help?

Is it part of this trial?
:yes:

... hybrids that don't plug-in are not EVs...
Yes. It's interesting to note that the prius does not even meet china's standards for environmentally friendly vehicles. The amount of fucking taxi drivers using the pieces of crap, is just staggering.
Hopefully they will get fined for using the "EV" lanes...:bash:

Ocean1

2nd March 2018, 18:12

So far all I've heard is that every cyclist holds up traffic for 17 kilometres even when riding on their own.

Tasmania decided to make law that recommended 1.5M separation a wee while ago.

On the day they decided to enforce it Hobart literally ground to a standstill.

AllanB

2nd March 2018, 18:23

The amount of fucking taxi drivers using the pieces of crap, is just staggering.

I remember decades back (like 40 years) when taxi drivers were respected masters of the road.

Now the fuckers are lucky to know where they are going or how to drive .........

I have more respect for bus drivers. I stop for buses indicating to pull out. No need to accelerate past them :crazy:

FJRider

2nd March 2018, 20:00

You are my hero. Couldn't have said it better.

Especially ... if he's been dissing the highway patrol ... Which he has been known to do ... ;)

FJRider

2nd March 2018, 20:08

awayatc

2nd March 2018, 20:52

Especially ... if he's been dissing the highway patrol ... Which he has been known to do ... ;)

you are the bestedest teacher's pet.....

you may carry his bag

rastuscat

2nd March 2018, 20:59

This has raised some interesting comments.

nzspokes

3rd March 2018, 08:23

I'm looking forward to hearing some balance on here.

So far all I've heard is that every cyclist holds up traffic for 17 kilometres even when riding on their own.

And every cyclist rides through at least 5 red lights every time they ride out their gate. Even in towns with no traffic lights.

We have a lot of similar risks on the road (SMIDSY). I'm not sure hating helps.

From my side as somebody that works in the bicycle trade, cars are fucked and a thing of the past. Its just such a stupid system that everybody has to use a car to get to city areas everyday. With one person in it. Dumb.

EBike sales are through the roof. I ride the 25ks to work on mine and dont need a shower when I get there. Cycleways most of the way and more being made. Im seeing more and more Ebikes being used for commuting. They wont be the only answer but one of many.

Ocean1

3rd March 2018, 08:57

From my side as somebody that works in the bicycle trade, cars are fucked and a thing of the past. Its just such a stupid system that everybody has to use a car to get to city areas everyday. With one person in it. Dumb.

EBike sales are through the roof. I ride the 25ks to work on mine and dont need a shower when I get there. Cycleways most of the way and more being made. Im seeing more and more Ebikes being used for commuting. They wont be the only answer but one of many.

All true, and I love the fact that ebikes are taking cars off the roads.

But cars and bikes didn't mix all that well when I were a nipper and traffic was a tiny percentage of what it is now, and that's only got dramatically worse over the years.

So if the sanctimonious green narrative alone isn't enough to dislike the trend then the cheap arsed attempt at making provision for bikes alongside much faster and heavier traffic is certainly cause for ongoing drama.

I'd not mind my tax money going towards dedicated separate cycleways along major commute routes, (trim the working for other peoples families budget a tad), just stop pretending there's any safe way to muscle proper traffic out the way to make room for bikes.

Moi

3rd March 2018, 09:08

... I'd not mind my tax money going towards dedicated separate cycleways along major commute routes, (trim the working for other peoples families budget a tad), just stop pretending there's any safe way to muscle proper traffic out the way to make room for bikes.

Along with cycleways, efficient public transport is also required...

Ocean1

3rd March 2018, 11:05

Along with cycleways, efficient public transport is also required...

Cycleways are public transport for poor people. But I assume you mean proper, self funding, self motorised variety. In which case I agree, and if you could just pay for the actual infrastructure without incurring the associated parasitic bureaucratic costs then reassigning the "working for other people's families" budget would probably cover most of that also.

FJRider

3rd March 2018, 11:59

Along with cycleways, efficient public transport is also required...

To be efficient ... more people need to be using it. To get more people using it ... it must be seen as a practical, convenient and economical means of a transport alternative by the majority of the population it was designed/intended for.
The "Kiwi Mentality" is to commute in your own vehicle .... for your own convenience ... regardless of cost (and hassle involved).
Until public perception of public transport changes in this regard ... "Public" transport will ALWAYS be seen as the "POOR" peoples transport.

Cycleways are public transport for poor people. But I assume you mean proper, self funding, self motorised variety. In which case I agree, and if you could just pay for the actual infrastructure without incurring the associated parasitic bureaucratic costs then reassigning the "working for other people's families" budget would probably cover most of that also.

The age of those in management levels are dropping each year. Staying fitter and healthier with increased/larger salaries of the upper echelon commuters ... cycling to work is no longer the sole necessity of the poor. Gym membership is increasing in number (and cost) throughout the country. You can buy dam good (fuel efficient) cars for the same price (or more) as the majority of bicycles available nowadays.

As an aside ... I lived in Singapore for two years ... it is one of the few countries that have a public transport system that's dirt cheap to use (Bus and Subway) that actually makes a profit. In a city/country with a population of around 4 million. [This in a country that bans the import of chewing gum, long hair (on males) is frowned on, and you can be fined for spitting on the footpath. And failing to stop for Police can mean getting you tires shot out.]

BUT ... Until the PUBLIC perception of PUBLIC transport (in all it's forms) changes ... nothing will change.

FJRider

3rd March 2018, 12:08

All true, and I love the fact that ebikes are taking cars off the roads.

They are a new tourist industry in many parts of the country. Seen as a "Mobility scooter" for the less than fit younger (than elderly) generations ... and the lazy image conscious ones ... being seen to be cycling ... but not.

Swoop

3rd March 2018, 18:05

Now the fuckers are lucky to know where they are going...
They do! Straight to the "fast" lane, where they will be doing 75kmh...

Cycleways are public transport for poor people.
Not exactly true.
You would find a good mix of the community using pedal power.

AllanB

3rd March 2018, 18:33

Ebikes, E-scooters.

If this tree-hugger government wants to make a change to the cities there it is.

Only problem in NZ is that the majority of our power generation relies on snow and rain fall ........... it's already proven to be a delicate system over the past couple decades and F-all done to improve it.

It is now time for a single nuclear power generator in New Zealand. Maybe not in Christchurch or Kaikoura ...... Shane Jones can build it up north....

jim.cox

3rd March 2018, 19:15

It is now time for a single nuclear power generator in New Zealand. Maybe not in Christchurch or Kaikoura ...... Shane Jones can build it up north....

Yeah, on that little northern archipelago called Japan, just outside a town called Fukushima...

AllanB

3rd March 2018, 20:22

Yeah, on that little northern archipelago called Japan, just outside a town called Fukushima...

Details, details. Nothing will go wrong in Godzone ...........

Akzle

3rd March 2018, 21:04

nzspokes

4th March 2018, 07:09

nzspokes

4th March 2018, 07:12

All true, and I love the fact that ebikes are taking cars off the roads.

But cars and bikes didn't mix all that well when I were a nipper and traffic was a tiny percentage of what it is now, and that's only got dramatically worse over the years.

So if the sanctimonious green narrative alone isn't enough to dislike the trend then the cheap arsed attempt at making provision for bikes alongside much faster and heavier traffic is certainly cause for ongoing drama.

I'd not mind my tax money going towards dedicated separate cycleways along major commute routes, (trim the working for other peoples families budget a tad), just stop pretending there's any safe way to muscle proper traffic out the way to make room for bikes.

My route to work now would be 70% segregated cycleways. :Punk:

EBikes are just fun. No rego, No Wofs and a bit of exercize.

We cant import enough for the demand currently.

Swoop

4th March 2018, 17:25

no what we need is decentralised generation to ease load on existing network and eventually shitcan the grid.
IF we had intelligent regional council's, every new house would be required to have water collection and power generation built-in.

However they can't even get that sorted out while they are rorting the current system.

Akzle

4th March 2018, 21:02

IF we had intelligent regional council's, every new house would be required to have water collection and power generation built-in.

However they can't even get that sorted out while they are rorting the current system.

vote akzle .

Cosmik de Bris

5th March 2018, 08:34

There is a site good to go on the Kaipara Harbour, even has the grid running to it.

Got set up then the greenies killed it.

Back in 1974 or so we had a research program here to look at Nuclear power for NZ. The NZED as it was then had a couple of sponsored postgrads here. The proposed site was Lake Ellesmere. I can't remember why or when things changed.

Cheers

Moi

5th March 2018, 10:54

Back in 1974 or so we had a research program here to look at Nuclear power for NZ. The NZED as it was then had a couple of sponsored postgrads here. The proposed site was Lake Ellesmere. I can't remember why or when things changed.

Cheers

The Lange Labour government?

Moi

5th March 2018, 10:57

And WCC thought the Island Bay cycle way was problematic...

Auckland cycleways (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12005278) - interesting that the Dutch have been doing this sort of things for years and perhaps know a thing or two, but AT don't seem to be able to ask for information...

But then AT provides free parking in their car park buildings for motorbikes...

Laava

5th March 2018, 12:37

It is now time for a single nuclear power generator in New Zealand. Maybe not in Christchurch or Kaikoura ...... Shane Jones can build it up north....

Out on the lawless end of the Hari-kari peninsular?

Ocean1

5th March 2018, 14:00

And WCC thought the Island Bay cycle way was problematic....

It's the single thing about the whole project they were right about.

I want my fucking rates back, ignorant bastards.

Moi

5th March 2018, 15:11

It's the single thing about the whole project they were right about.

I want my fucking rates back, ignorant bastards.

I suspect there are a few others who would support you on that comment. "Don't tell us what you're thinking, we've already made up our minds!" seems to be a common response from council officers who are not elected...

Mike Lee and the Generation Zero's Leroy Beckett both question the attitude of AT towards the communities and businesses that are affected by cycle-lanes - where is AT's evidence from best practice to support what they are doing?

The cycle lane on Sandringham Rd Extn - google street view (https://www.google.co.nz/maps/@-36.9009907,174.730889,3a,75y,26.87h,81.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skeJhmVAGBYVw2BAd3xIyuA!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656) - appears to be a half-hearted attempt to improve cyclists' safety. Only problem now is that many of the "hi-viz yellow uprights" have disappeared... no true separation from traffic on a busy arterial that leads to a southern western motorway junction.

Be interested to know what some of the cyclists in Auckland, or elsewhere for that matter, think of what was done...

Akzle

5th March 2018, 15:44

It's the single thing about the whole project they were right about.

I want my fucking rates back, ignorant bastards.

you should vote about it.

Scuba_Steve

5th March 2018, 15:49

you should vote about it.

Vote Akzle!

jim.cox

5th March 2018, 16:29

Vote Akzle!

Shoot Akzle

Akzle

5th March 2018, 17:53

Shoot Akzle

well that's not very polite or constructive.

have i done something to offend you, Cuntface McShithead?

Akzle

5th March 2018, 18:01

Vote Akzle!

rbcifgip .

Ocean1

5th March 2018, 18:11

you should vote about it.

I voted for the guys most likely to fuck up dole bludging goat fuckers.

They could orchestrate Armageddon on the side and it'd be well worth the cost.

Akzle

5th March 2018, 18:41

I voted for the guys most likely to fuck up dole bludging goat fuckers.

They could orchestrate Armageddon on the side and it'd be well worth the cost.

well then stop fucken whingeing.

you voted. you got the thing that you get for voting. so shut the fuck up until it's time to vote again.

Ocean1

5th March 2018, 19:46

well then stop fucken whingeing.

you voted. you got the thing that you get for voting. so shut the fuck up until it's time to vote again.

Yeah. 'Cause whatever it is you're doing is working so well. :laugh:

rastuscat

5th March 2018, 20:47

I voted Azkill last time. Nothings changed.

Ah well. Thats MMP.

Laava

5th March 2018, 21:03

I voted Azkill last time. Nothings changed.

Ah well. Thats MMP.

Yeah, dont think he's been to town since then, except to get his meds...

Akzle

6th March 2018, 11:03

Yeah. 'Cause whatever it is you're doing is working so well. :laugh:

i'm not the one moaning on the internet about shit i volunteered for <_<

Ocean1

6th March 2018, 14:25

i'm not the one moaning on the internet about shit i volunteered for <_<

And what are you doing about whatever you are on the internet moaning about?

Actually don't bother, nobody's interested.

Moi

6th March 2018, 15:17

Yeah, don't think he's been to town since then, except to get his meds...

What do you mean?

Doesn't he grew his own with the help of goat manure... :sick:

Laava

6th March 2018, 16:39

What do you mean?

Doesn't he grew his own with the help of goat manure... :sick:

Yep, always cracks me up that the stoners are too fucked in the head to grow their own! Is the easiest plant to grow, if everyone grew their own supply we would all be better off as it would remove the whole retard dope seller element. But the reality is stoners are lethargic for the most part...

Akzle

6th March 2018, 16:58

And what are you doing about whatever you are on the internet moaning about?

ehhh.... i'm not moaning about shit.

what a negative world view you have.

Swoop

6th March 2018, 21:40

I voted Azkill last time. Nothings changed.
Typical "revolutionary". All talk and no action, just like a real politician...

Akzle

7th March 2018, 09:58

Typical "revolutionary". All talk and no action, just like a real politician...

well i haven't been voted king yet, dipshit.
what am i supposed to do from a hotboxed caravan in the wops?

Swoop

7th March 2018, 14:38

well i haven't been voted king yet, dipshit.
what am i supposed to do from a hotboxed caravan in the wops?

Hook it up to a sweet, fat magna and do a roadie to get the voters on-board.
Might need to evict the goats first though...

rastuscat

7th March 2018, 15:22

well i haven't been voted king yet, dipshit.

What? King? I thought you wanted to be President

FJRider

7th March 2018, 16:12

What? King? I thought you wanted to be President

President for life is popular in some areas ... :shifty:

Ocean1

8th March 2018, 18:29

They're shitting us, shirley?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/102100485/Green-light-for-more-Wellington-cycleways-in-Kilbirnie-Newtown-and-Evans-Bay

Akzle

9th March 2018, 12:48

President for life is popular in some areas ... :shifty:

or.. like...king. eh?

cheshirecat

9th March 2018, 12:59

[QUOTE=Ocean1;1131088722]They're shitting us, shirley?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/102100485/Green-light-for-more-Wellington-cycleways-in-Kilbirnie-Newtown-and-Evans- (https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/102100485/Green-light-for-more-Wellington-cycleways-in-Kilbirnie-Newtown-and-Evans-Bay) Plenty of dollars behind them and full time PR. Mind you most comments aren't exactly pro.