Waterproof commuting

[dazza139]

Looking for advice. I commute daily 20 min each direction in Auckland. I have 2 piece leathers and I've been using waterproof over jacket and pants in wet weather. The pants were great initially but they leak like a sieve now - wet crotch etc. It's also a pain having to carry this gear just in case of rain (no storage capacity on my Thruxton R) I'm thinking of investing in some waterproof textiles for this winter. Any recommendations?

I have waterproof liners in my leathers but they are a waste of time and still let water in - Rev'it gear.

I'm leaning towards goretex textile (i.e. they outer shell is waterproof) but they are hellish expensive - something like Rev'it poseidon GTX or Kim Badlands. I'm prepared to pay the money to stay dry but only if it's a guaranteed solution.

I'd welcome some advice.

[nerrrd]

In my experience (which doesn't include the high-cost goretex options) of 'waterproof' motorcycle gear, heavy PVC overgear is the only way to be sure of a dry crotch.

[Honest Andy]

In my experience (which doesn't include the high-cost goretex options) of 'waterproof' motorcycle gear, heavy PVC overgear is the only way to be sure of a dry crotch.

Until the water starts dribbling inside your collar, cos then it runs down your back and ends up in your crotch anyway <_<

Seriously though, I've found pvc to be easily as good as anything else, and it rolls up pretty small to go in a backpack or bungeed to the pillion seat. (Doesn't have to be yellow either)
However usually I ride in textile because it's comfortable and waterproof for quite a few years and I like to be able to ride somewhere without having to stop halfway to put on wets. And you can wear normal clothes underneath.

[HEsch]

I splurged on a set of Dainese Goretex.
It's amazing. Removable liners so I have been using them all summer, cooler than my leathers most of the time.

It DOES get damp after 1.5-2 hours in heavy/steady rain, only very gently at the seams / cuffs, then your under layer of clothes wicks the water through. My H2O gloves don't help - they also get wet and then water wicks up the jacket liner (the gloves are good until they're not, then they are saturated through in short order).

[ellipsis]

...I have a pair of textile wet stuff, Buffalo is the name on the tag...they never let one drop through in Haast like conditions, they have an internal contraption with zips and shit that stop anything from getting through the front or down your arse...they work very well but they take so long to get on and off that I cant be fucked with the effort involved...I just throw my plastic bib overalls on and the plastic mac over them and get wet nuts...

[MD]

I feel your pain but nothing works short of a diving wet suit. I have tried different brands of trousers and still get a wet bum! I think my current rain/over jacket is R-Jays? I have to wear a business suit underneath so that's even worse. In winter I use a textile jacket with the winter liner removed. Otherwise it won't fit over the suit.

[Berries]

I use Marmot over trousers from Torpedo 7 or whatever it is called this week. Leg zip died today but I got five years out of them for <$80. The only time they have ever leaked was on long trips in heavy rain where the water simply rode up the front of the them and eventually got inside my jacket. Would buy Marmot again, cannot believe anything dedicated to motorbikes will be better unless it is a full one piece oversuit like I used to have from Belstaff. Not seen anything similar in NZ.

NZ is meant to be an outdoorsy kind of country. Would look at outdoor shops rather than bike shops if it is just water protection for the legs that you need. For a 20 minute commute you don't need much more than that. I am in Queenstown this weekend so expect to get hold of something to replace my now flapping in the wind overtrousers.

So bottom half is those overtrou on top of my work trousers or jeans while I went mad on the top half. Could not get a same as replacement for the textile Dainese jacket I lived in which was without doubt the best piece of clothing I ever brought so went with this -

Links are shit. Just Google Richa Cyclone GTX.

[samgab]

I got a jacket/pants set of Alpinestars "Drystar" gear about 3 years ago. It's pretty amazing in terms of waterproof-ness. In the heaviest rain, I get to work, take off the jacket and pants, and my work clothes are perfectly dry underneath. Crotch and back included.
The only problem with it is the waterproof layer doesn't come out, so it can be a bit warm on the hottest days, but then I leave the jacket front half open and leave the pants behind. Of course, it does have a removable thermal layer, so it's good for winter too. I'd say it's great for 3 seasons, excluding the hottest part of summer.

[dazza139]

Thanks for the input guys. PVC or another kind of waterproof overgear is definitely a cheaper way to go and I could just replace the pants that I have. The jacket still works well. I just don't want to carry extra kit in case it rains. In Auckland that means carrying it more days than not! I'll have a look at the goretex stuff. The Richa cyclone stuff does look good. Can you get it in NZ? Looking at some Rukka jacket/pants too but again no NZ supplier. I had a bad experience last time I bought from overseas. Got stung badly for import duties.

[Honest Andy]

Let us know how you get on, most of us haven't bought gear recently so it's always good to get feedback on the new stuff :cool:

[PistonBlown]

After many years of getting soaked, even when wearing waterproof outers, I finally bit the bullet and bought a Klim Kodiak Jacket. This is basically the same jacket as the Badlands (material, pockets etc) but with a slightly different cut and is aimed at road bike riders rather than adventure bikes. I had originally planned to get a Badlands but when I tried it on the cut wasn't right for me, the Kodiak on the other hand fitted me like a glove. It's done a very good job, even during a 5 hour ride in heavy rain. I recently got a pair of Klim Quest gloves and those have been completely dry as well. The prices made my eyes water but they have been worth it.

My Rev-it Sand II pants on the other hand have leaked from day one and even after recently getting a new liner they are just as bad. I'm now gone back to using some over trousers I got from the Hunting and Fishing shop, those have worked well.

[SaferRides]

I bought a Goretex jacket from Kathmandu some years ago and it has NEVER leaked, even after 6 hours of steady rain. The Revit pants on the other hand let water through after 2 - 3 hours.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Have Klim badlands jacket and pants. Wife has Klim altitude jacket and pants. Would not accept anything less now.
Goretex Pro is the difference. Goretex is bonded to the textile shell of the jacket so it never gets soaked, water runs off the fabric. Liners whether removable or not work on the premise the outer gets wet but the liner stops water going further, that is why they sometimes get overwhelmed.
Rev’It also use Goretex pro in their top of the line and Alpinestars have just brought a jacket out, it’s a hell of a lot cheaper than Klim. Motomail stock at least two of those. Don’t forget, Klim offer a 10 year warranty. Nobody else offers that.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[dazza139]

Have Klim badlands jacket and pants. Wife has Klim altitude jacket and pants. Would not accept anything less now.
Goretex Pro is the difference. Goretex is bonded to the textile shell of the jacket so it never gets soaked, water runs off the fabric. Liners whether removable or not work on the premise the outer gets wet but the liner stops water going further, that is why they sometimes get overwhelmed.
Rev’It also use Goretex pro in their top of the line and Alpinestars have just brought a jacket out, it’s a hell of a lot cheaper than Klim. Motomail stock at least two of those. Don’t forget, Klim offer a 10 year warranty. Nobody else offers that.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks! Goretex Pro was exactly what I was thinking. I’ve read good reviews on Klim Badlands but almost wrote it off because I thought it was overkill for commuting. 10 year warranty is really appealing though. How do you find it in summer? I’ve read that it vents well and is a good 4 season option.

I’ve seen a reviews talk about quality issues with Rev’it which puts me off. I was going to try Motomail on Monday to look at Rev’it Poseidon and Klim Badlands. It looks like they’ve got limited stock of Klim though - maybe clearing out last years model?

Also wondered about Rukka but not in NZ?

Shame our options are so limited in this country


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Ulsterkiwi]

Thanks! Goretex Pro was exactly what I was thinking. I’ve read good reviews on Klim Badlands but almost wrote it off because I thought it was overkill for commuting. 10 year warranty is really appealing though. How do you find it in summer? I’ve read that it vents well and is a good 4 season option.

I’ve seen a reviews talk about quality issues with Rev’it which puts me off. I was going to try Motomail on Monday to look at Rev’it Poseidon and Klim Badlands. It looks like they’ve got limited stock of Klim though - maybe clearing out last years model?

Also wondered about Rukka but not in NZ?

Shame our options are so limited in this country


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Me and the BH did 3 weeks in the South Island over January. Haast was torrential downpours (as you would expect) the rest was 27-36celcius. No problem. Open the vents and away you go. Because protective layer and waterproof layer are one and the same venting is straight to whatever is under the gear, no wind proof membrane in the way. Never understood that. Klim have only one approach to venting, give it heaps.

I looked at the Rev’It options as I am a longtime fan of their gear. It wasn’t as tough but looked well enough out together. I resent the fact they do not give you proper back armour as standard, especially at their prices. Again the Klim approach is give it heaps with D3O everywhere.

Be warned the Klim gear is heavier and there is a break in period, it won’t feel as comfortable when you try it on at first as the competitors. If you are commuting that break in period won’t be long. The other criticism levelled at Klim is no thermal layer. That’s a minor thing really. You are so well protected from the elements you will need less thermal covering anyway. My wife used to wear 5 (yes 5) layers under her Rev’It in winter. With the Klim she wears 2.

BTW, I also commute, 70kms each way all year around. The Klim gear means zero hassle, rain or shine you already have your gear on.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[BMWST?]

i used to have a pair of line 7 bib trousers pvc.they never ever let water in....ever.I dont know where you would buy good quality pvc gear now,most i have seen is rubbish

[PistonBlown]

Me and the BH did 3 weeks in the South Island over January. Haast was torrential downpours (as you would expect) the rest was 27-36celcius. No problem. Open the vents and away you go. Because protective layer and waterproof layer are one and the same venting is straight to whatever is under the gear, no wind proof membrane in the way. Never understood that. Klim have only one approach to venting, give it heaps.

I looked at the Rev’It options as I am a longtime fan of their gear. It wasn’t as tough but looked well enough out together. I resent the fact they do not give you proper back armour as standard, especially at their prices. Again the Klim approach is give it heaps with D3O everywhere.

Be warned the Klim gear is heavier and there is a break in period, it won’t feel as comfortable when you try it on at first as the competitors. If you are commuting that break in period won’t be long. The other criticism levelled at Klim is no thermal layer. That’s a minor thing really. You are so well protected from the elements you will need less thermal covering anyway. My wife used to wear 5 (yes 5) layers under her Rev’It in winter. With the Klim she wears 2.

BTW, I also commute, 70kms each way all year around. The Klim gear means zero hassle, rain or shine you already have your gear on.

That flexibility in all conditions is what I like about mine so much.

I like the fact that the Klim has no thermal layer because I just wear layers and add/remove them as needed. With my old leather jacket I'd thrown way the zip-in liner years ago. Its a lot easier to pull on or off a jumper at the side of the road than muck around with zip-in layers.

The vents on it work really well and there are so many of them that you can fine tune your temp really easily. The vents are very easy to undo while riding (except the back ones),. Some are hard to do up again without stopping - I don't like stopping:-) But a lot easier to do than waterproof liners when it starts raining.

Weightwise I didn't find it any heaver than my old leather jacket, but I've had that 23 years so not familar with the weight of the modern textile jackets. the Badlands/Kodiak have a wide internal belt built into them thats supposed to help with the weight though I've not used it.

Didn't really notice the stiffness of the jacket except around the neck where it took a few rides to fit properly. The Klim Quest gloves were a bit stiff until the first time it rained, after that they have been perfect. The Quest gloves are leather outers with a waterproof inner so obviously the outer does get soaked - though they don't then suffer wind chill which I half expected.

I got my jacket in europe while touring there so can't comment on availability here but the gloves came from down the road, Motomox in Kaiapoi. He was very helpful and had a lot of stock around - which is just as well as I'm a fussy bugger and tried on numerous pairs until I was happy:-) Will be getting my Klim pants from there when I've saved up.

[Ulsterkiwi]

That flexibility in all conditions is what I like about mine so much.

I like the fact that the Klim has no thermal layer because I just wear layers and add/remove them as needed. With my old leather jacket I'd thrown way the zip-in liner years ago. Its a lot easier to pull on or off a jumper at the side of the road than muck around with zip-in layers.

The vents on it work really well and there are so many of them that you can fine tune your temp really easily. The vents are very easy to undo while riding (except the back ones),. Some are hard to do up again without stopping - I don't like stopping:-) But a lot easier to do than waterproof liners when it starts raining.

Weightwise I didn't find it any heaver than my old leather jacket, but I've had that 23 years so not familar with the weight of the modern textile jackets. the Badlands/Kodiak have a wide internal belt built into them thats supposed to help with the weight though I've not used it.

Didn't really notice the stiffness of the jacket except around the neck where it took a few rides to fit properly. The Klim Quest gloves were a bit stiff until the first time it rained, after that they have been perfect. The Quest gloves are leather outers with a waterproof inner so obviously the outer does get soaked - though they don't then suffer wind chill which I half expected.

I got my jacket in europe while touring there so can't comment on availability here but the gloves came from down the road, Motomox in Kaiapoi. He was very helpful and had a lot of stock around - which is just as well as I'm a fussy bugger and tried on numerous pairs until I was happy:-) Will be getting my Klim pants from there when I've saved up.

Motomox is the NZ importer so he should have plenty of stock lol.
Yep agree with you on the flexibility front.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[dazza139]

Motomox is the NZ importer so he should have plenty of stock lol.
Yep agree with you on the flexibility front.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'd like tp gp through Motomox but not sure about buying before trying it on. Should i get over this? I guess I can always return/exchange if the fit isn't right.

[Ulsterkiwi]

I'd like tp gp through Motomox but not sure about buying before trying it on. Should i get over this? I guess I can always return/exchange if the fit isn't right.

I would always recommend trying on gear before buying. Motomail should be able to get whatever sizes or styles you want in, otherwise you end up paying for a lot of shipping. I bought through TSS in Wellington. I wanted to try on and they ordered in size above and below for me. I have spent a bit with them in fairness.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[madmalc]

Looking for advice. I commute daily 20 min each direction in Auckland. I have 2 piece leathers and I've been using waterproof over jacket and pants in wet weather. The pants were great initially but they leak like a sieve now - wet crotch etc. It's also a pain having to carry this gear just in case of rain (no storage capacity on my Thruxton R) I'm thinking of investing in some waterproof textiles for this winter. Any recommendations?

I have waterproof liners in my leathers but they are a waste of time and still let water in - Rev'it gear.

I'm leaning towards goretex textile (i.e. they outer shell is waterproof) but they are hellish expensive - something like Rev'it poseidon GTX or Kim Badlands. I'm prepared to pay the money to stay dry but only if it's a guaranteed solution.

I'd welcome some advice.

Hi - I had some real bad experiences with dri-rider jackets so gave up and "bit the bullet" and bought an RST textile winter jacket. The thing is awesome and is actually 100% waterproof. They are a UK brand so they will know a bit about keeping water out. Oddly, my dri-rider pants did the job well but gave up at the end of last winter so i'm looking at a pair of RST pants to replace them . The jacket wasn't cheap but if you want to stay warm and dry, you have to pay the money.

[slofox]

I have used Rainbird jacket and trousers over the leathers for yonks without getting wet. They compress to next to nothing when not it use and fit in the tail bag real easy.

Only thing is you need to take a little care getting them on or off. Too much pulling and shoving can tear the material although having said that, you have to be pretty rough to damage them. Suffice to say I have done just that before today. Usually get years out of a set.

They are also real good if it is freezing cold. Completely stop the wind.

[MarkH]

I've had good luck with the Frogg Toggs Road Toad over-jacket & over-pants, but I prefer waterproof jacket & pants that don't require putting on waterproof gear over top. I currently ride with Klim gear which is waterproof for the wet weather and has vents for the hot weather. Without the vents you just end up wet from sweat in hot weather, which isn't really any more pleasant than being wet from rain.

[actungbaby]

I whould have to agree plenty of people outdoors just becuase your sitting on a motorcycle no diffrence

So no need to buy motorcycle branded gear for wet weather riding. i worked out doors for 8 years. athough working in wet weather gear

is completly diffrent . becuase my job was very much hard work . i went without the pvc most times but it is the best.
because i sweet and i get just as damp and i dont like extra heat so its only water u drink the stuff . was my motto.
am very much not able to handle extra temp so problely makes me diffrent to most.

at the moemnt i dont have leggins so yeah you need those as if you wearing a jacket just all pours down and u get wet crotch.
not the most fun exp lol. on my scotter i rekon light pair nylon wet weather pants i brought second hand set of trademe (of a lady)
she must been tall becuase they fitted well.nephews matyes borrowed my leggins so i dont have them anymore .darbi i think these where popular here back in the day so must been old. still fine though. no open seams. i still perspire in the jacket though.
personally i rather in a light shower even if am just in my day cloths most the time no bike jacket. u get slight bit water no big deal
sun comes out you dry quick enough.then u havent got that sticky bo lol .


best for water proffing was my old mans yellow pvc warlfies lyttenon container terminal pvc pants and jacket two piece.
burn holes in the pants on my xl600 rf on the so called header pipe guard . probley lent them and never got them back. as my mate doing trolleys at pns.
i moved in doors . u can move in them okayish they did slow me down well i felt slight extar engery to move in them.but no big deal on a motorbike to walk in
for a few minutes to get petrol or buy some food.i dont think much diffrence to nyalon in that area.

hope it helps of course in winter it whould mean a lot diffrence in body core temp on a commute say more than 20 mins each way.
i used to ride from avondale to riccarton each day. 30 mins each way approx.



I use Marmot over trousers from Torpedo 7 or whatever it is called this week. Leg zip died today but I got five years out of them for <$80. The only time they have ever leaked was on long trips in heavy rain where the water simply rode up the front of the them and eventually got inside my jacket. Would buy Marmot again, cannot believe anything dedicated to motorbikes will be better unless it is a full one piece oversuit like I used to have from Belstaff. Not seen anything similar in NZ.

NZ is meant to be an outdoorsy kind of country. Would look at outdoor shops rather than bike shops if it is just water protection for the legs that you need. For a 20 minute commute you don't need much more than that. I am in Queenstown this weekend so expect to get hold of something to replace my now flapping in the wind overtrousers.

So bottom half is those overtrou on top of my work trousers or jeans while I went mad on the top half. Could not get a same as replacement for the textile Dainese jacket I lived in which was without doubt the best piece of clothing I ever brought so went with this -

Links are shit. Just Google Richa Cyclone GTX.

[actungbaby]

I would always recommend trying on gear before buying. Motomail should be able to get whatever sizes or styles you want in, otherwise you end up paying for a lot of shipping. I bought through TSS in Wellington. I wanted to try on and they ordered in size above and below for me. I have spent a bit with them in fairness.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

yes you want the pants with plenty of room to move u get that swish sish sound when you walk in them i dont think u can avoid that.
well with pvc anyways

[dazza139]

I would always recommend trying on gear before buying. Motomail should be able to get whatever sizes or styles you want in, otherwise you end up paying for a lot of shipping. I bought through TSS in Wellington. I wanted to try on and they ordered in size above and below for me. I have spent a bit with them in fairness.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks for your advice. I tried a few things on and in the end bought the Klim Badlands jacket and pants. A huge outlay but these should be the last textiles I ever need to buy. The warranty on the gear is impressive plus the fact that if you crash in it they will replace it for free within the first 5 years. Sold! I had a chance to try them out in a little rain last night and I was bone dry at the end of my run. Shall see what happens in some serious rain. Just got to remember to check that all those vents are closed before I take off :-) So far very impressed.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Thanks for your advice. I tried a few things on and in the end bought the Klim Badlands jacket and pants. A huge outlay but these should be the last textiles I ever need to buy. The warranty on the gear is impressive plus the fact that if you crash in it they will replace it for free within the first 5 years. Sold! I had a chance to try them out in a little rain last night and I was bone dry at the end of my run. Shall see what happens in some serious rain. Just got to remember to check that all those vents are closed before I take off :-) So far very impressed.

on ya mate!

Yep, closing all the zippers is pretty important. Apart from the ones on the back, they are pretty easy to work. Do remember the outer pockets are not completely waterproof. It is my chief criticism of the gear but apparently is unavoidable. Ziplock bag for your phone is your friend :eek:

Enjoy!

[HenryDorsetCase]

I feel your pain but nothing works short of a diving wet suit. I have tried different brands of trousers and still get a wet bum! I think my current rain/over jacket is R-Jays? I have to wear a business suit underneath so that's even worse. In winter I use a textile jacket with the winter liner removed. Otherwise it won't fit over the suit.

Riding a motorbike wearing a suit? Ugh. too tight across the shoulders, the front is basically open even when its shut and the sleeves are too short to reach forward for the grips. Plus the pants are uncomfortable as fuck - AND if you put shit over the top you get your suit all wrinkled.

I hardly wear a suit anymore, even to work but when I do I ain't motorcycling - I get Jeeves to fire up the helicopter like any sensible person.

[Cosmik de Bris]

However usually I ride in textile because it's comfortable and waterproof for quite a few years

How many years is it waterproof for?

Cheers

[nerrrd]

...and another pair of 100% waterproof rain pants turn out not to be tonight. Probably the fourth time they’ve been properly wet. Sigh.

[pete376403]

If the PVC rain jacket has a hood, put the hood on and put your helmet over that. Stops the rain down the neck thing. Uncomfortable - yes, dry - yes.