Overtaking another bike

[SaferRides]

I'm riding back from Port Waikato and catch up to another bike where there is a series of corners before the bridge. The rider makes no effort to let me pass and keeps riding maybe 1-2 metres to the left of the centreline.

So was he not checking his mirrors, or just couldn't make the effort to move over?

This has happened quite a few times this summer. I expect it from Harley riders, but to be honest, most of them have been great and let me past.

[jasonu]

I'm riding back from Port Waikato and catch up to another bike where there is a series of corners before the bridge. The rider makes no effort to let me pass and keeps riding maybe 1-2 metres to the left of the centreline.

So was he not checking his mirrors, or just couldn't make the effort to move over?

This has happened quite a few times this summer. I expect it from Harley riders, but to be honest, most of them have been great and let me past.

Next time stuff it up the inside and knock him off.

[rastuscat]

The onus has always been on the overtaking vehicle.

There's no obligation for the vehicle ahead to make way, unless they are doing less speed than the speed limit.

That said, too many riders don't use their mirrors as much as they should.

Sounds like you found yourself behind someone who lacks situational awareness.

[Voltaire]

The onus has always been on the overtaking vehicle.

There's no obligation for the vehicle ahead to make way, unless they are doing less speed than the speed limit.

That said, too many riders don't use their mirrors as much as they should.

Sounds like you found yourself behind someone who lacks situational awareness.


Probably a post on another forum saying " I was riding my bike along the Waikato river on a series of bends towards the Tuakau bridge and a

sports bike came from nowhere and expected me to get out of his way":laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Probably a post on another forum saying " I was riding my bike along the Waikato river on a series of bends towards the Tuakau bridge and a

sports bike came from nowhere and expected me to get out of his way":laugh:

Lol. I reckon. Just go on bye and give 'em a wave. I went between Andrew Templeton (of Roadsafe) and the fence on the Taka's once, the clown tried to give me a lecture afterwards. But if you're using the whole road and riding outside of your abilities to stay in front, I say it's all fair and all on.

[Banditbandit]

I'm riding back from Port Waikato and catch up to another bike where there is a series of corners before the bridge. The rider makes no effort to let me pass and keeps riding maybe 1-2 metres to the left of the centreline.

So was he not checking his mirrors, or just couldn't make the effort to move over?

This has happened quite a few times this summer. I expect it from Harley riders, but to be honest, most of them have been great and let me past.

1-2 metres to the left of the centerline? Plenty of room to get by ...

[nerrrd]

Patience is a virtue, possess it if you can, seldom on a motorcycle or in a double cab tin can.

As someone who is often overtaken, I'm not sure you can expect someone to make room through a series of corners surely? Would you have had 100m of clear visibility throughout the manoeuvre :laugh:? Was the speed differential that great between yourself and the rider ahead? Were you tailgating them? Is your user name a piss-take?

[Cosmik de Bris]

The onus has always been on the overtaking vehicle.

There's no obligation for the vehicle ahead to make way, unless they are doing less speed than the speed limit.

That said, too many riders don't use their mirrors as much as they should.

Sounds like you found yourself behind someone who lacks situational awareness.

What about failing to keep as far left as practicable? Not that anyone in the history of NZ has ever been prosecuted.

Cheers

[tigertim20]

I'm riding back from Port Waikato and catch up to another bike where there is a series of corners before the bridge. The rider makes no effort to let me pass and keeps riding maybe 1-2 metres to the left of the centreline.

So was he not checking his mirrors, or just couldn't make the effort to move over?

This has happened quite a few times this summer. I expect it from Harley riders, but to be honest, most of them have been great and let me past.

chop three gears, smash the fuckin throttle to the stop, and pass the cunt. You want him to give you a handjob and wave a flag for you too?

Make your own pass when safe to do so, aint his job to make your life easy.

[SaferRides]

Patience is a virtue, possess it if you can, seldom on a motorcycle or in a double cab tin can.

As someone who is often overtaken, I'm not sure you can expect someone to make room through a series of corners surely? Would you have had 100m of clear visibility throughout the manoeuvre [emoji23]? Was the speed differential that great between yourself and the rider ahead? Were you tailgating them? Is your user name a piss-take?

There were short straights between the corners. All he had to do was drift left on a RH corner and I would have passed him. We were both going about the same speed on the long straights before then, but he slowed for the corners. And no, I was a safe distance behind.

If you see someone riding a R1 with a Safer Rides hi viz, it could well be me. [emoji16]

[Honest Andy]

And if he drifted left... would you really assume that he was doing that just for you..?
And not just because they were looking at the view, speedo, fuel gauge, gps, misread the corner, too busy looking at the bike in their mirror, lacking "situational awareness" etc, etc...????

That gives me a cold chill.

As Tigertim said, drop a cog and give it the second handful, it's your job to overtake quickly and safely without endangering the clown who's slowing down for every corner and drifting all over the road...

[Akzle]

1-2 metres to the left of the centerline? Plenty of room to get by ...

rbcifgip .

[Akzle]

chop three gears, smash the fuckin throttle to the stop, and pass the cunt. You want him to give you a handjob and wave a flag for you too?

Make your own pass when safe to do so, aint his job to make your life easy.

rbcifgip .

[Madness]

Lol. I reckon. Just go on bye and give 'em a wave. I went between Andrew Templeton (of Roadsafe) and the fence on the Taka's once, the clown tried to give me a lecture afterwards. But if you're using the whole road and riding outside of your abilities to stay in front, I say it's all fair and all on.

I came out of a downhill corner too hot and nearly went up the back of a paddy wagon on the Featherston side once. Instinctively ran down the centre line only to find an oncoming partol car coming up. Split with surgical precision, just about shit my pants doing so and for a few minutes afterwards.

OP: grow some.

[SaferRides]

And if he drifted left... would you really assume that he was doing that just for you..?
And not just because they were looking at the view, speedo, fuel gauge, gps, misread the corner, too busy looking at the bike in their mirror, lacking "situational awareness" etc, etc...????

That gives me a cold chill.

As Tigertim said, drop a cog and give it the second handful, it's your job to overtake quickly and safely without endangering the clown who's slowing down for every corner and drifting all over the road...
Yeah, I get your point and often overtake "quickly and safely".

The point wasn't so much this particular situation, but more how often it's happened this summer. There seems to be an increasing number of riders who keep just to the left of the centre line - are they being trained to ride this way? The worst example I've seen was a group of riders on the southern Coro loop who'd managed to hold up a line of cars and didn't leave any gaps for others to overtake.

[SaferRides]

I came out of a downhill corner too hot and nearly went up the back of a paddy wagon on the Featherston side once. Instinctively ran down the centre line only to find an oncoming partol car coming up. Split with surgical precision, just about shit my pants doing so and for a few minutes afterwards.

OP: grow some.
Cheers. Not sure your riding style appeals.

[ellipsis]

...I ride a Sportster...I'm struggling with the concept of, overtaking...

[Honest Andy]

...I ride a Sportster...I'm struggling with the concept of, overtaking...

Haha c'mon mate! I was overtaken by a sporty once, when I'd stopped for petrol... ;)

[SaferRides]

That sounds like the correct positioning, could you explain why it isn't so I may learn?
So right on the centre line is the correct positioning? Please explain why placing your bike almost on the other side of the road is a Good Idea. (I have a cold beer in the fridge.)

[AllanB]

I was undertaken yesterday by a bike. I knew he was behind me, there was some weird shit ahead with a bunch of cars and I'd seen a decent puff of smoke ahead as I cleared the corner, I started slowing in case it was someone braking hard in the road train and he whizzed past on the inside.

Shit happens no one worse for wear.

[SaferRides]

Well, this has been entertaining. The consensus seems to be that I should just blast past anyone in front of me who is going slower.

[nerrrd]

Well, this has been entertaining. The consensus seems to be that I should just blast past anyone in front of me going slower.

I don't consent. But if you're going to anyway, might as well get it over with as quickly as possible.

[AllanB]

Well, this has been entertaining. The consensus seems to be that I should just blast past anyone in front of me who is going slower.

Sounds like a plan :woohoo:

Basically if you are passing it's your job to make the maneuver safe.

Oh and don't be one of those cunty riders who pass then sit right the fuck in front of you throwing road shit all over you from their rear tyre.

[Honest Andy]

Well, this has been entertaining. The consensus seems to be that I should just blast past anyone in front of me going slower.

yeah, nah...

[pritch]

Well, this has been entertaining. The consensus seems to be that I should just blast past anyone in front of me going slower.

Not really. You seem to have some difficulty with comprehension. Nobody said you should be right in the middle of the road, the responses were to your stated distance of 300mm.

Also Rastus pointed out that the overtaker is responsible for undertaking the manouver safely.

Of course you could always charge up the inside under brakes as happened elsewhere this morning. :whistle:

[russd7]

Not really. You seem to have some difficulty with comprehension. Nobody said you should be right in the middle of the road, the responses were to your stated distance of 300mm.

Also Rastus pointed out that the overtaker is responsible for undertaking the manouver safely.

Of course you could always charge up the inside under brakes as happened elsewhere this morning. :whistle:

more than once

[rastuscat]

It has been said that riding schools teach that you must ride particular lines and you could be right in thinking the way some ride are as a result of going to a riding school. I remember one poster on here made a claim that riding in the right car wheel track was the best place to ride and when others on here including me said it was risky he change his way of riding.

Here's a reply from a riding instructor.

Positioning is a product of many things.

Including moving over when someone wants to overtake.

Positioning is a product of many things. And rarely involves simply adopting a rigid, unchanging lateral location within a lane.

[rastuscat]

Here's a reply from a riding instructor.

Positioning is a product of many things.

Including moving over when someone wants to overtake.

Positioning is a product of many things. And rarely involves simply adopting a rigid, unchanging lateral location within a lane.

Sorry. Former Riding Instructor.

[SaferRides]

Here's a reply from a riding instructor.

Positioning is a product of many things.

Including moving over when someone wants to overtake.

Positioning is a product of many things. And rarely involves simply adopting a rigid, unchanging lateral location within a lane.Exactly.

Hmm, can't post replies with less than 10 characters.

[SaferRides]

Sounds like a plan :woohoo:

Basically if you are passing it's your job to make the maneuver safe.

Oh and don't be one of those cunty riders who pass then sit right the fuck in front of you throwing road shit all over you from their rear tyre.Or pass just before a fun bit of road then wobble around the corners.

[Grumph]

Here's a reply from a riding instructor.

Positioning is a product of many things.

Including moving over when someone wants to overtake.

Positioning is a product of many things. And rarely involves simply adopting a rigid, unchanging lateral location within a lane.

The whole lane is there to be used - so use it.

One of the big differences between cars and bikes is the ability of a bike to use lane width to gain a better view of what's ahead.
It's a bonus which could save your life.

[rastuscat]

It never ceases to frustrate and disappoint me when I follow a rider who adopts a constant lateral lane position regardless of what is going on around them.

I failed a guy on a CBTA 6F test a few months back as for the duration of the ride he was glued to the right hand wheel track.

[sidecar bob]

It never ceases to frustrate and disappoint me when I follow a rider who adopts a constant lateral lane position regardless of what is going on around them.

I failed a guy on a CBTA 6F test a few months back as for the duration of the ride he was glued to the right hand wheel track.

But you have to admit, that is the smartest default position when riding, but refusing to ride anywhere else isint.

[rastuscat]

But you have to admit, that is the smartest default position when riding, but refusing to ride anywhere else isint.

Here's a wee clip from every course I've ever run.

The right hand wheel track is my default position in the absence of a reason to the contrary.

Reasons to the contrary include factiring in surface appraisal, visibility and buffering.

I'll extend that to include me moving over to let someone overtake, given the current thread.

Allowing someone to overtake doesn't diminish my self respect or ego. I don't care if someone I don't know, riding a bike I don't care about, overtakes me.

In fact, I'd rather they did. That way I don't have to tolerate them following too closely.

[KezzaCFC]

But you have to admit, that is the smartest default position when riding, but refusing to ride anywhere else isint.

Yeah, with 20tonne semi coming towards me I know what part of the lane I'd wana move to

[sidecar bob]

Yeah, with 20tonne semi coming towards me I know what part of the lane I'd wana move to

Like I said, default position.

[sidecar bob]

I'll extend that to include me moving over to let someone overtake, given the current thread.

Allowing someone to overtake doesn't diminish my self respect or ego. I don't care if someone I don't know, riding a bike I don't care about, overtakes me.

In fact, I'd rather they did. That way I don't have to tolerate them following too closely.

I've had a massive shift in thinking there since I stopped going to work every day.
I'm not so wired up when I get in the car & time management, (read hurrying everywhere) doesn't factor so large in my life anymore.
In my car, I find I'm travelling about 5kmh slower on the highways (and about 30kmh slower in the Paparas) as a result, I'm not catching people up & then having to pass, im much calmer company & probably far less likely to die from a heart attack or from traffic crash trauma.
I'm now the guy that couldn't care less if you want to go flying past, wear your tyres out & waste petrol, I'm on my own buzz, which I can tell you from expierence, is a far calmer one.

[Moi]

Here's a wee clip from every course I've ever run.

The right hand wheel track is my default position in the absence of a reason to the contrary.

Reasons to the contrary include factoring in surface appraisal, visibility and buffering.

I'll extend that to include me moving over to let someone overtake, given the current thread.

Allowing someone to overtake doesn't diminish my self respect or ego. I don't care if someone I don't know, riding a bike I don't care about, overtakes me.

In fact, I'd rather they did. That way I don't have to tolerate them following too closely.


And for those of us who do pictures better than words...*


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvsaN3Tc9c

* ignoring the bits that are funny pommie road rules...

[jellywrestler]

I've had a massive shift in thinking there since I stopped going to work every day.
I'm not so wired up when I get in the car & time management, (read hurrying everywhere) doesn't factor so large in my life anymore.
In my car, I find I'm travelling about 5kmh slower on the highways (and about 30kmh slower in the Paparas) as a result, I'm not catching people up & then having to pass, im much calmer company & probably far less likely to die from a heart attack or from traffic crash trauma.
I'm now the guy that couldn't care less if you want to go flying past, wear your tyres out & waste petrol, I'm on my own buzz, which I can tell you from expierence, is a far calmer one.

sounds like you've joined the pipe and slippers brigade

[rastuscat]

Door zone. I forgot to mention the door zone.

Don't position yourself within 2 metres of a parked car. That's the door zone. It's dangerous.

Coincidentally it's also where we exoect cyclists to ride. To the extent that a lot of cycle lanes are painted in the door zone.

[rastuscat]

sounds like you've joined the pipe and slippers brigade

Has he bought a BMW?

[Honest Andy]

And for those of us who do pictures better than words...*


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvsaN3Tc9c

* ignoring the bits that are funny pommie road rules...

That guy sounds really good and clear

I want the same helmet he's got...

[Moi]

That guy sounds really good and clear

I want the same helmet he's got...

I think he tells which helmet he wears on his website...

PS. To the Kber who suggested that "it's England, they're good drivers there"... I'd suggest that they are TAUGHT to drive.

[Voltaire]

From my 7 years in the UK/Ireland, I found drivers there were more courteous than here, and road discipline much higher.
They also have proper motorways, dual carriageway A roads and minor B roads. Urban roads are narrow to start with and even more so with cars parked on both side. Mirror bashing in my company car was a common occurrence and no one got twisted out of shape over it either.

If you want to find an equivalent to NZ driving and road quality its more like Portugal or Greece.


I only got knocked off my BMW once on the South Circular when lane splitting and a car came out of side road. My own fault.
Bike was a bit damaged but my slippers were fine.

[Moi]

Door zone. I forgot to mention the door zone.

Don't position yourself within 2 metres of a parked car. That's the door zone. It's dangerous.

Coincidentally it's also where we exoect cyclists to ride. To the extent that a lot of cycle lanes are painted in the door zone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfEhJMkKMAo

[rastuscat]

It would not have been your school that taught you must take particular lines when riding then. Maybe its something thats taught in the UK from looking at the UK police videos where they do spend a lot of time centre line hugging.

Centre line hugging is fine until a truck comes the other way.

Or on the approach to a right hand bend.

Position depends on circumstances.

[sidecar bob]

Has he bought a BMW?

"A" BMW? Lol.

[Banditbandit]

rbcifgip .

I have no idea what that means - and can't find in on the net slang dictionaries - translation please.



So right on the centre line is the correct positioning? Please explain why placing your bike almost on the other side of the road is a Good Idea. (I have a cold beer in the fridge.)

Not on the centre line - close to it on left hand bends .. still on the left side of it.

This gives you the best cornering lines and allows the bike to apex and then accelerate out of the corner.

If something is coming the other way across the centre line you are gong to drop the bike into the corner, leaning and turning away from them anyway .. If the oncoming vehicle is way across the line you will be in the shit wherever you are in your lane.


Well, this has been entertaining. The consensus seems to be that I should just blast past anyone in front of me who is going slower.

Yeah - that's what I do ..


It never ceases to frustrate and disappoint me when I follow a rider who adopts a constant lateral lane position regardless of what is going on around them.

I failed a guy on a CBTA 6F test a few months back as for the duration of the ride he was glued to the right hand wheel track.

Yes - that's pretty stupid ..

[jellywrestler]

The right hand wheel track is my default position in the absence of a reason to the contrary.

. being in the left wheel track then they can see you in the rearview mirror, of course right hand means you have better visibility ahead etc

[jasonu]

From my 7 years in the UK/Ireland, I found drivers there were more courteous than here, and road discipline much higher.
They also have proper motorways, dual carriageway A roads and minor B roads. Urban roads are narrow to start with and even more so with cars parked on both side. Mirror bashing in my company car was a common occurrence and no one got twisted out of shape over it either.

If you want to find an equivalent to NZ driving and road quality its more like Portugal or Greece.


.

Yep. Same comparison with USA and NZ drivers.
There is a lot of 'I own the road so get the fuck out of my way' on NZ roads.

[SaferRides]

Not on the centre line - close to it on left hand bends .. still on the left side of it.

This gives you the best cornering lines and allows the bike to apex and then accelerate out of the corner.

If something is coming the other way across the centre line you are gong to drop the bike into the corner, leaning and turning away from them anyway .. If the oncoming vehicle is way across the line you will be in the shit wherever you are in your lane.


A few questions.

What do you do if it's a blind corner? Do you still position the bike in the same place?

Assuming you do, do you stay out there until you can see the corner exit, then head for the apex?

What line do you take after the apex?

Thanks.

[rastuscat]

A few questions.

What do you do if it's a blind corner? Do you still position the bike in the same place?

Assuming you do, do you stay out there until you can see the corner exit, then head for the apex?

What line do you take after the apex?

Thanks.

Keep the bike wide until the corner opens out.

Strangely, keeping it wide gives you more lean angle, allowing you to carry more momentum.

After the the exit opens up, what you do next depends on what you face next. If thetes another corner in the same direction you can link the corners by keeping your width. If it's an opposite direction you'll narrow up to line up for that one.

The line on exit depends on what's happening next. Few corners exist in isolation.

[Banditbandit]

A few questions.

What do you do if it's a blind corner? Do you still position the bike in the same place?

Yeah - I do on left handers - if you look at it, the bike starts to turn way before the actual road curves - and you are about to drop the bike into a left hand turn aimed for the apex on the left-hand side, well away from any car coming the other way across the centre line. This gives you plenty of time of drop it in early if something is across the centre line.

On right hand corners start from the left - which gives you plenty of time to drop the bike over a little less and miss the car coming the other way on the wrong side. And in this right hand scenario the apex is not with the wheels on the white line - 'cause then you are leaning across the line into the path of anything coming the other way.



Assuming you do, do you stay out there until you can see the corner exit, then head for the apex?

Pretty much - yes. Though on strange roads on blind corners you can't always see the apex - nor can you see the exit and you do not know where they are. Best guess at the time ... On familiar roads it's different. On unfamiliar roads I do take it a bit easier ...

And if you do stay out there that long on left hand turns you increase the chances of getting hit by a car coming across the centre line. As has been said, its all situational.




What line do you take after the apex?

Depends on the corner .. I find the bandits are well balanced on the throttle so I tend to open the throttle and let the bike accelerate out of the corner, balancing on the throttle, not on the counter-steering. This takes fine throttle control. (It's also a bit hard on tyres - but fun. ) It's best not to slam the throttle open - or you will go off the road .. roll the power on so the bike stays in the corner and then lifts itself out of it as the power increases.


And sometimes I just cruise ..

[neil.]

Or pass just before a fun bit of road then wobble around the corners.

this seems to happen a lot. I had a whole bunch of muppets on sports-bikes come past me just before a bunch of uphill corners (passing into oncoming traffic etc).

I then had to ride even slower because none of them could go round corners. they all then stopped for a smoke at a viewing point.

I assume they passed me because my bike looks slow (it is slow), it does however corner well without much slowing down, so i wouldn't have been holding them up.

[SaferRides]

And for those of us who do pictures better than words...*


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvsaN3Tc9c

* ignoring the bits that are funny pommie road rules...
That's very similar to how I ride. How many times did we see him just inside the centre line approaching LH corners?

Interesting bike!

[nzspokes]

That's very similar to how I ride. How many times did we see him just inside the centre line approaching LH corners?

Interesting bike!

Russ is a good watch, just remember the UK has some different laws to us.

If this is of interest to you then an assessment ride with these guys you may enjoy.

http://iam.org.nz/

[Laava]

Finally something useful from the Christchurch Cretin.:woohoo:

Great scene with actual B25 Mitchell Bombers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At88Fcdgv0g
Is the movie as good as the book? I read it twice now and prob will again one day...

[SaferRides]

Is the movie as good as the book? I read it twice now and prob will again one day...No, but it's worth watching if you like the book. I must read it again.

[Moi]

Observation...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im_lK_gN6Gw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imUUruj7Z30


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23fiCoLwpeg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkAtWiRq8Q0

[roogazza]

I used to do "talk drive" with Police recruits in the 70's .
Good it was, you could see what they were seeing or missing !

[rastuscat]

Hug inside the centre lane so you can see deeper into the sides of the road and intersections. When traffic comes towards you, you veer to the left side of your lane to increase the gap between you, and also it creates some sidewides movement that they may detect you if they already had not. Also if a following car decides to overtake the lead car coming at you, you have already created moved to the left and helped your survival. When the traffic has passed, take your position back and show the centre line your love.

I love you.

Well, maybe not love, but hey, flowers-in-my-hair and all that

[SaferRides]

Maybe this is Hell - having to read every word of a never ending debate between cassina and other forum members.

Please stop.

[caspernz]

Hug inside the centre lane so you can see deeper into the sides of the road and intersections. When traffic comes towards you, you veer to the left side of your lane to increase the gap between you, and also it creates some sidewides movement that they may detect you if they already had not. Also if a following car decides to overtake the lead car coming at you, you have already created moved to the left and helped your survival. When the traffic has passed, take your position back and show the centre line your love.


I love you.

Well, maybe not love, but hey, flowers-in-my-hair and all that

Geez fellas, get a room! :laugh::bleh::eek:

But as Coldrider pointed out, basic stuff this positioning. Well, for someone who can understand it's flexible at least, applied according to the situation.

[Jeff Sichoe]

I just indicate right and go for it, what's the problem here?

[madbikeboy]

You did well to get that far!

I just couldn't be bothered passing. It was only a few kms, the road is narrow and the corners blind. So I just followed and watched his positioning, which was the real reason for starting the thread.

I do use slow vehicle lanes to pass on the left sometimes. But they're not very long when you're going fast.

I tend to overtake for a few reasons - the first is that it's normally safer to be well ahead of modestly skilled riders. Second, I prefer to have a wider field of view. It is also possible to spend some much time fixating on the born again on his $30,000 Hardly that you miss the other dangers ahead. Finally, I don't like it when the pinch point ends up meaning you have a car on your back wheel. I don't like being followed closely by cars, it's never going to end well for the biker.

As for going to fast on the road - that's impossible. There isn't a bike on the market that can hit NZ's ultrahigh speed limit.

What is interesting is the differing perceptions of what constitutes a large enough space to pass. I'm of the view that, so long as you can walk through a gap, and so long as there is no overlap of lines for a couple of bike lengths, then it's a valid overtaking gap. At road speeds, there is always a huge margin of traction and space in order to complete an overtake if you're properly planned and have even a little skill. Leaning on another bike mid corner is fine if the other rider has skill and you've raced with him. Best not to do that to some animal on a Hardly who can't ride in a straight line.

[skippa1]

Gremlin is 400,000,000 x the rider you'll ever be you useless non-bike owning, dole bulging oxygen thief. But keep throwing stones at Cassina, because it keeps both morons happily engaged, and let's face it, someone gets a night off from looking after you.

11 pages, got bored at page 5. If you didn't swap too much paint then the pass is fine. If he doesn't move over, then ride around him. Up the inside is just fine if the guy is hogging the road and not covering his mirrors. It's not cricket to do it on the back wheel on the street. I know this because I've been told it's not cricket on the back wheel on the street. Stop being a pussy and just fucking do it.

Smart has the brains, but BRAVE has the balls.

Smart has brains, but BRAVE has balls......what does that even mean? Fine line between brave and stupid.

[Graystone]

1-2 metres to the left of the centerline? Plenty of room to get by ...

Why did the thread continue past this post?

Seems like a no brainer. Op know you pass on the right, right?

[98tls]

There were short straights between the corners. All he had to do was drift left on a RH corner and I would have passed him. We were both going about the same speed on the long straights before then, but he slowed for the corners. And no, I was a safe distance behind.

If you see someone riding a R1 with a Safer Rides hi viz, it could well be me. [emoji16]

If indeed i have the mis-fortune i might well ask for some beer money to compensate the wasted time reading this thread.

[SaferRides]

Go back and read your first post again, what exactly did you expect? You asked a question that has no correct answer because we weren't there and you managed to slag off one particular group of riders at the very same time. Add to that using the word 'overtaking' which is a big red flag to the KB village idiot. Next you'll be posting about group rides and expecting the thread not deteriorate in to a similar shit fest.

Which group of riders did I slag off? And how am I responsible for some of the shit that’s been written in this thread?

There was some good posts at first, but most of the thread is just abuse.

[caspernz]

Go back and read your first post again, what exactly did you expect? You asked a question that has no correct answer because we weren't there and you managed to slag off one particular group of riders at the very same time. Add to that using the word 'overtaking' which is a big red flag to the KB village idiot. Next you'll be posting about group rides and expecting the thread not deteriorate in to a similar shit fest.


Which group of riders did I slag off? And how am I responsible for some of the shit that’s been written in this thread?

There was some good posts at first, but most of the thread is just abuse.

The group you slagged off, by reference, was the Harley crew. This shows bias towards cruiser riders in general, which sets the tone anyway. As Berries pointed out, your road, your view, not for us to comment. The way you describe it may be very different to how another rider would see it.

No shortage of opinionated keyboard warriors on KB, so once one of the village idiots weighs in on a topic, with their own bias...well, you know this train is going off the tracks :rolleyes: so it becomes harder to derive any positive stuff.

Seeing how I live in the district where your described scenario took place, and I know which bit of road you're referring to, it becomes a case of you either use forward observation and a bit of power to make progress or you decide to hold back on account of the low skilled rider in front. No shame in choosing to hold back. Bit hard for the KB crew to form a group opinion that falls in line with this :cool::devil2: as my outlook is too simple. Can you guess what I do yet?

[SaferRides]

This has happened quite a few times this summer. I expect it from Harley riders, but to be honest, most of them have been great and let me past.
This was what I wrote. There have been a lot of Harleys on the road this summer and I can't recall any dodgy riding.

I'm not sure why, because I have had a couple of close calls in the past.

[Berries]

Can you guess what I do yet?
I would say ride a Harley but your post suggests your knuckles aren't dragging on the floor.


/pt

[SaferRides]

Seeing how I live in the district where your described scenario took place, and I know which bit of road you're referring to, it becomes a case of you either use forward observation and a bit of power to make progress or you decide to hold back on account of the low skilled rider in front. No shame in choosing to hold back. Bit hard for the KB crew to form a group opinion that falls in line with this :cool::devil2: as my outlook is too simple. Can you guess what I do yet?
It does say rider coach in your profile. :)

I see the road to Port Waikato is now designated as a High Crash Rate area.

[AllanB]

Yeah, I'm never starting another thread on KB. Not many adults here.


Among the banter there are valid responses.


Start a 'what oil' thread. I like those.

[AllanB]

I might look at buying a loaf of bread.

In order to loosely associate this issue with this thread I'll overtake a motorcycle on the way home from the supermarket.


White bread, brown bread, sliced, unsliced, rye ...... etc best start a poll before buying that bread.

No doubt someone on here would have read somewhere that sliced bread is less likely to cause bowel issues in the future ...

[SaferRides]

Among the banter there is valid responses.


Start a 'what oil' thread. I like those.True, there was some good discussion at first. It is disturbing when you are encouraged to "grow some balls" when it comes to overtaking though!

[FJRider]

Which group of riders did I slag off?

Ask a Harley rider ... ;)


And how am I responsible for some of the shit that’s been written in this thread?

Basically ... this thread started with your whinge about your lack of ability/bike to pass a slower rider. Your lack of consideration for other riders was evident. As a result ... you gathered very little sympathy ... :calm:


There was some good posts at first, but most of the thread is just abuse.

After your first post ... it was to be expected to head downhill pretty soon. At least the abuse was not entirely directed at you ... :devil2:

[SaferRides]

Ask a Harley rider ... ;)



Basically ... this thread started with your whinge about your lack of ability/bike to pass a slower rider. Your lack of consideration for other riders was evident. As a result ... you gathered very little sympathy ... :calm:



After your first post ... it was to be expected to head downhill pretty soon. At least the abuse was not entirely directed at you ... :devil2:Interesting interpretation of what I wrote. If you look for the negative, you'll always find it.

[caspernz]

This was what I wrote. There have been a lot of Harleys on the road this summer and I can't recall any dodgy riding.

I'm not sure why, because I have had a couple of close calls in the past.

The funny thing is that I don't disagree with your original post, but you don't get very far opening a conversation by slagging off one group. Just ignore the negative stuff on KB, put one or two folks on the ignore list and you'll find this place much nicer to spend time in. The only reason some of us respond to what cassina posts, is that so much of her stuff is just plain wrong and it needs to be countered. Free speech and all, but by crikey she spouts some BS :bash:



I would say ride a Harley but your post suggests your knuckles aren't dragging on the floor.


/pt

Not yet, but I've closely looked at some. For what it's worth I know a few Harley riders who can embarrass a good number of sports bike riders :shit::shutup::innocent:

My knuckles only drag on the ground some of the time :wings:


It does say rider coach in your profile. :)

I see the road to Port Waikato is now designated as a High Crash Rate area.

No it doesn't actually say rider coach, although I do get into that :woohoo:

[Graystone]

Here's a reply from a riding instructor.

Positioning is a product of many things.

Including moving over when someone wants to overtake.

Positioning is a product of many things. And rarely involves simply adopting a rigid, unchanging lateral location within a lane.

Prezactly. Move over when it is safe to let them overtake, but I'll be fucked if I'm going to open the door for some squid on a liter bike who has the potential to half arse it and run me wide.

[ellipsis]

Which group of riders did I slag off? And how am I responsible for some of the shit that’s been written in this thread?

There was some good posts at first, but most of the thread is just abuse.


...astute observation...there are things on this planet that, absolutely, on the first experience, blow ones mind...KB is one of those places...please start more threads, I implore you...:niceone:...

[Hoonicorn]

Unless you're running late for an appointment, chill out and wait for an over-take opportunity or you could pull over for 5 minutes and let them get some distance ahead.

It is important to check your mirrors regularly if they even have mirrors *eye-roll*

[Berries]

Fuck, what did I do?

OP, you clearly weren't slagging off Harley riders. As a relative newcomer to this place I was merely pointing out that if you make a distinction between any groups someone is going to take offence. And if you are going to start a thread don't get shitty when it gets hijacked, it is not your thread just because you are post #1. Been there, done that.



We're not debating your view on issues, we're merely pointing out you're wrong most of the time.
Anyone with a modicum of intelligence and more than an ounce of post licence training will form the same opinion. But not many chime in, for it's a well proven fact you just can't be reasoned with.
And that is it in a nutshell. It is hard when you see some of the shit she writes but I gave up 'debating' some time ago. Occasionally out of sheer frustration I will start a response to cassina and then realise it is a complete and utter waste of time to do so. Broken record with blinkers and a closed mind.

What is sad (an overstatement if ever there was one, this is only the internet, but you get what I mean) is that I no longer want to provide an honest and measured opinion on training, overtaking or group riding simply in case that idiot picks up on it and uses it in one of her "I read somewhere" or "someone on here" posted. Genuinely surprised that she has not been kicked off KB but hey, I don't run the place.

[onearmedbandit]

155 fucking posts removed from this thread. If I didn't get one of yours don't feel bad, it just means you either didn't contribute shit-content or you didn't reply to shit content. If yours did get removed and you're upset cry me a river. KB ain't a democracy, you don't get a say in what we do.

Freedom of speech is important of course, but on this site it comes with conditions. If what you post constantly disrupts the forum I'll delete it. Don't agree? Boo hoo.

[AllanB]

If what you post constantly disrupts the forum I'll delete it. Don't agree? Boo hoo.


Shit mate you are going to be busy!

But fair call. I thought the OP was a reasonable situation to question the wider community. Apparently not!

[onearmedbandit]

Shit mate you are going to be busy!

But fair call. I thought the OP was a reasonable situation to question the wider community. Apparently not!

Indeed I am, but you know there's some really good threads on here, some great contributions, some good humour. But shit all gets lost when certain conditions exist so instead of watching nothing happen when these posts occur I'm of the mind to just delete the fuck out of them. I'm not on here much but will be keeping a bit more of an eye on these 'certain conditions'.

[caspernz]

Indeed I am, but you know there's some really good threads on here, some great contributions, some good humour. But shit all gets lost when certain conditions exist so instead of watching nothing happen when these posts occur I'm of the mind to just delete the fuck out of them. I'm not on here much but will be keeping a bit more of an eye on these 'certain conditions'.

Give it heaps, someone has to keep the FWF in check :sweatdrop:brick::angry2::2thumbsup:banana::clap:

[Voltaire]

Riding back from a day of doing the Taranaki Tunnels on the ol Airhead BMW, I was thinking about JAG and riding death traps.

As the three cars in front of me was doing 100 and offered a nice buffer was happy to cruise along the Waikato road.

I was deep in thought about why KTM riders feel the need to stand on the pegs at the mere sight of gravel , why none of the lumbering

990's passed me on any of the 150 odd KMS of gravel and why modern BMW's are so fucking ugly.

Suddenly I herd a terrible clattering noise and three Hells Angels separated by less than a Zig Zag paper roared past lane splitting into the

oncoming traffic disappearing into the distance.

I felt like a lone ME 110 having been descend upon by some Mustangs.

Could not help somehow admiring their Darwin Defying riding skills.

[Akzle]

155 fucking posts removed from this thread. If I didn't get one of yours don't feel bad, it just means you either didn't contribute shit-content or you didn't reply to shit content. If yours did get removed and you're upset cry me a river. KB ain't a democracy, you don't get a say in what we do.

Freedom of speech is important of course, but on this site it comes with conditions. If what you post constantly disrupts the forum I'll delete it. Don't agree? Boo hoo.

you do an unenviable job. god knows, were i granted an banhammor, i would strike mightily.

[Laava]

Riding back from a day of doing the Taranaki Tunnels on the ol Airhead BMW, I was thinking about JAG and riding death traps.

As the three cars in front of me was doing 100 and offered a nice buffer was happy to cruise along the Waikato road.

I was deep in thought about why KTM riders feel the need to stand on the pegs at the mere sight of gravel , why none of the lumbering

990's passed me on any of the 150 odd KMS of gravel and why modern BMW's are so fucking ugly.

Suddenly I herd a terrible clattering noise and three Hells Angels separated by less than a Zig Zag paper roared past lane splitting into the

oncoming traffic disappearing into the distance.

I felt like a lone ME 110 having been descend upon by some Mustangs.

Could not help somehow admiring their Darwin Defying riding skills.
Was that a poem?
Never did get poetry...

[AllanB]

Could not help somehow admiring their Darwin Defying riding skills.


I've recently been pondering about 'those' types of riders - they don't seem to go down despite making a effort to get splattered.

[Voltaire]

Was that a poem?
Never did get poetry...

No.... it would have been more like.

There once was a bike from milwaukee

sounds like a tractor but torquey

They don't leave on time

so split the white line

an appointment with Darwin quite likey.


The seats on Katooms they are hard,

they take but a toll on your lard

To stay off the grass

You get off your arse

and pretend you are riding motard:innocent:

[Crasherfromwayback]

.

There once was a bike from milwaukee

sounds like a tractor but torquey

:

HD's FTW!!!!!!

336218

[Laava]

No.... it would have been more like.

There once was a bike from milwaukee

sounds like a tractor but torquey

They don't leave on time

so split the white line

an appointment with Darwin quite likey.


The seats on Katooms they are hard,

they take but a toll on your lard

To stay off the grass

You get off your arse

and pretend you are riding motard:innocent:

Best post in this tragedy of a thread!:wings::wings::clap::clap: (Not meaning the OP!)

[ellipsis]

HD's FTW!!!!!!

336218


...best pic...

[betch]

Best post in this tragedy of a thread!:wings::wings::clap::clap: (Not meaning the OP!)

Haha love it!! Just saved me from writing off this site for good.



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[Scubbo]

which one of you is this spaz? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSvTpWVAeE4

[nerrrd]

which one of you is this spaz? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSvTpWVAeE4

:laugh: I think I only see one person behaving badly, and a whole lot of other people talking on their phones. No.34 of how many?? Sheesh.

I have been known to look pointedly (sometimes while pointing) at people obviously on their phones while driving, but this guy is just making things worse. He needs another hobby or he's going to get hurt.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Lol. I reckon. Just go on bye and give 'em a wave. I went between Andrew Templeton (of Roadsafe) and the fence on the Taka's once, the clown tried to give me a lecture afterwards. But if you're using the whole road and riding outside of your abilities to stay in front, I say it's all fair and all on.

am curious, Mr Templeton can be an interesting character to say the least but I always thought of him as a better than average rider, was he really using the whole road? or was it a case of him using the entire lane? Different thing altogether. In any event, lectures....yeah nah...

[Crasherfromwayback]

am curious, Mr Templeton can be an interesting character to say the least but I always thought of him as a better than average rider, was he really using the whole road? or was it a case of him using the entire lane? Different thing altogether. In any event, lectures....yeah nah...

Whole road safely avail to us. He's reduced quite a few of my female customers to tears, either talking down to them, like they're fucking idiots, or scaring shit out of them trying to show them he's the man. I don't send anyone to him anymore.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Whole road safely avail to us. He's reduced quite a few of my female customers to tears, either talking down to them, like they're fucking idiots, or scaring shit out of them trying to show them he's the man. I don't send anyone to him anymore.

Not the first person who said that to me, nor will you be the last, nor is he the only one who can talk down to people. Sad really.

Back on point, I like to use the whole lane, not at the cost of holding others up though, I know I am not an amazing rider.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Back on point, I like to use the whole lane, not at the cost of holding others up though, I know I am not an amazing rider.

I'll use the whole road if it's free and clear to make things smoother.

[jasonu]

Whole road safely avail to us. He's reduced quite a few of my female customers to tears, either talking down to them, like they're fucking idiots, or scaring shit out of them trying to show them he's the man. I don't send anyone to him anymore.

That sort of attitude doesn't help anybody.

[Jeff Sichoe]

which one of you is this spaz? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSvTpWVAeE4

The whole time he was filming people chatting on phones he wasn't paying attention to the road.

[pritch]

I'll use the whole road if it's free and clear to make things smoother.

I used to do that, but after reading Ienatch I changed. He advises strongly that you don't even ride with people who cross the centre line which does seem tough, but he has his reasons. For me though it seems a shame to ride for miles then when you come to a nice S bend you just turn it into another straight. That's like missing out on some of the fun.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I used to do that, but after reading Ienatch I changed. He advises strongly that you don't even ride with people who cross the centre line which does seem tough, but he has his reasons. For me though it seems a shame to ride for miles then when you come to a nice S bend you just turn it into another straight. That's like missing out on some of the fun.

Maybe, but there are hundreds of corners for any ride we get to do from Welly. I don't mind missing the odd one. Esp if I have Lisa on the back.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I am sure any rider doing that would certainly change the way they rode if they had a head on collision and survived to ride again. And you lot think I am the muppet rider!!

We don't think.... and not sure how the fuck you'd have a head on on a clear road...but never mind!

[jellywrestler]

And you lot think I am the muppet rider!!

i for one don't, but i'm sure you were shaken as a baby.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Its actually an offense to cross the centre line unless overtakeing irrespective of how clear ahead the road appears to you. Shit can still happen on clear roads.

It's an offence to go faster than 100kph too. Eat a dick.

[Akzle]

Its actually an offense to cross the centre line unless overtakeing irrespective of how clear ahead the road appears to you. Shit can still happen on clear roads.

* a solid line. of any colour. either left or right of your lane.
and i second the crasherfromwayback thing.

[Berries]

* a solid line. of any colour. either left or right of your lane.
Well, you can cross a solid yellow line on your right if turning right or overtaking a bunch of cyclists, you can cross a solid white line on your right to enter a flush median or right turn bay and I'm pretty sure you can cross a solid white line on your left when turning in to a driveway. Apart from that you are bang on.

[AllanB]

Shit can still happen on clear roads.


This will be good.

[AllanB]

Shit can still happen on clear roads.


This will be good. Dogs?

[caspernz]

And you lot think I am the muppet rider!!


This will be good. Dogs?

Nah, if she's riding a muppet then we'll have to look out for smurfs. The tooth fairy will be doing speed control and the easter bunny will be on roadworks duty. Please try and keep up, we're practising for a group ride :2thumbsup

[eldog]

Nah, if she's riding a muppet then we'll have to look out for smurfs. The tooth fairy will be doing speed control and the easter bunny will be on roadworks duty. Please try and keep up, we're practising for a group ride :2thumbsup

this daug says

Can’t be a muppet rider, you can talk sense to a muppet.

muppets are entertaining as well, it’s time to light the lights......:eek:

[Motig]

Alright I've kept quite until now out of embarassment but I'll come clean - it was me. My only defence is that I was looking for somewhere to pull over and stop to let you pass safely but there was some muppet behind me that was all over the road and I couldn't work out where he was going so I closed my eyes and hoped for the best. It seems to have worked, we're both still here. Win win.:drool:

[awayatc]

We don't think.... and not sure how the fuck you'd have a head on on a clear road...but never mind!

Coz she usually goes everywhere without her head on....
Either that or she carries it up her arse.

[lowededwookie]

What about failing to keep as far left as practicable? Not that anyone in the history of NZ has ever been prosecuted.

Cheers
Because on a bike far left is a dumb spot. Keeping just left of the centre line allows you to see right down the road although the safer spot is in the righthand wheel track.

On the left you can't see squat if there are vehicles in front of you. Sure ride there if you're in a group and riding staggered but the first rider should be the one with all the visibility because he's setting the pace.

It seems to me the original poster may not have been riding staggered and may also be the sort of person who passes on blind corners which is the dumbest idea in all of humanity.

[Akzle]

Because on a bike far left is a dumb spot. Keeping just left of the centre line allows you to see right down the road although the safer spot is in the righthand wheel track.

On the left you can't see squat if there are vehicles in front of you. Sure ride there if you're in a group and riding staggered but the first rider should be the one with all the visibility because he's setting the pace.

It seems to me the original poster may not have been riding staggered and may also be the sort of person who passes on blind corners which is the dumbest idea in all of humanity.

hahaha. seting the pace.

i'll pick my own, if you don't mind. and my line, too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

hahaha. seting the pace.

i'll pick my own, if you don't mind. and my line, too.

Seems I'm in the naughty bin with you. What's for lunch?

[T.W.R]

Seems I'm in the naughty bin with you. What's for lunch?

:whistle:

http://www.petfinderfoundation.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/DOG-pikes-peak-evacuee.jpg

[Akzle]

Seems I'm in the naughty bin with you. What's for lunch?

i noticed that. did you call a certain someone a pathetic sack of shit, too?

i was going to have beer and ciggarettes. but since i'm out of beer i'll go get a pie instead. oh. and beer.

[ellipsis]

...125.000,000 ethereal blings to you both...what else do you have to do here to be bestowed with such KB mana...

[caseye]

Seems I'm in the naughty bin with you. What's for lunch?

Never a more likely pair have I seen in a cage! Oh the irony. I'd give you both bling, but it keeps bouncing orf!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Never a more likely pair have I seen in a cage! Oh the irony. I'd give you both bling, but it keeps bouncing orf!

You'd think they owe you an explanation as to why though eh? Bet this reply gets *lost*...

[AllanB]

i noticed that. did you call a certain someone a pathetic sack of shit, too?

i was going to have beer and ciggarettes. but since i'm out of beer i'll go get a pie instead. oh. and beer.


Mmmmm pie. The lad is playing rugby at West Melton tomorrow - a year ago there was a mighty fine bakery out there with most excellent pies. God willing they are still in business as Mrs B and I are looking forward to a pie.

[russd7]

Seems I'm in the naughty bin with you. What's for lunch?

looks like i may be as well, but I'm a well behaved citizen of KB, probably not allowed to poke fun at ridiculous ads maybe, tho im not sure about that for sure.
had oysters for tea. very nice they were

[AllanB]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm pie.

[russd7]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm pie.

here ya are, 3.14159265359
all for you

[nerrrd]

For the first time ever I actually agree with you. There was a post on here last year from a guy who made a claim that the right wheel track was the safest place to ride and myself and others rubbished his claim and after that he changed the way he rode. These riding schools that promote having to take a particular line to be able to ride right are deluded.

So very,very boring. Yawn.

[granstar]

here ya are, 3.14159265359
all for you

I'm one of those 5 out of 4 people that just doesn't get that?

[Moi]

here ya are, 3.14159265359
all for you


I'm one of those 5 out of 4 people that just doesn't get that?

Here, try this instead...

twenty two over seven

[Laava]

Here, try this instead...

twenty two over seven

I had no idea it was that close...
Still tho, to four decimal points is as accurate as you would practically need to be for anything non scientific...

[Moi]

I had no idea it was that close...
Still tho, to four decimal points is as accurate as you would practically need to be for anything non scientific...

When I first learnt to calculate the area of a circle or part thereof, probably in Std 5 [remember those days?] we used "three and one seventh" as Pi or "twentytwo over seven"... then in Form 3 we got to use 3. 1415 and had to learn to use log tables...

[jasonu]

When I first learnt to calculate the area of a circle or part thereof, probably in Std 5 [remember those days?] we used "three and one seventh" as Pi or "twentytwo over seven"... then in Form 3 we got to use 3. 1415 and had to learn to use log tables...

I don't remember there being a standard 5. Where I was it Form 1 followed Standard 4.

[Honest Andy]

I don't remember there being a standard 5. Where I was it Form 1 followed Standard 4.

Young fulla ay?
Prolly never had a slide rule either!
;)

[Moi]

I don't remember there being a standard 5. Where I was it Form 1 followed Standard 4.

Started the year as Std 5 and name changed to Form 1 by end of year, to match the Form 1 to Upper Sixth layout of the school...

[Moi]

Young fulla ay?
Prolly never had a slide rule either!
;)

Still got mine... did you ever get to use a circular slide rule?

[Banditbandit]

Still got mine... did you ever get to use a circular slide rule?

A circular one? I thought a slide rule was ATGATT ..

[granstar]

Started the year as Std 5 and name changed to Form 1 by end of year, to match the Form 1 to Upper Sixth layout of the school...

I went to standard six then to a high school that started at form 3, notice I say I went there, was not well attuned to school, maths was my biggest downfall, only pi I ever knew was from the tuck shop. I used math once when asking the teacher if I could go for a piss one day and she told me not to use that word, "urinate" being the proper word to use. She said if I can use it in a sentence, then I can go. So I with my math skill told here "Well miss your an eight, but the physed teacher is a ten, ...much nicer tits.

[Honest Andy]

Still got mine... did you ever get to use a circular slide rule?

Nope. I must've been sick the day they did maths :woohoo:

[husaberg]

When I first learnt to calculate the area of a circle or part thereof, probably in Std 5 [remember those days?] we used "three and one seventh" as Pi or "twentytwo over seven"... then in Form 3 we got to use 3. 1415 and had to learn to use log tables...

easiest way is the same way I always use to calculate ccs
Bore x bore .7854 x by stroke /1000 and you have CCs rather than litters.
no need to half the bore to get diameter etc then.

[Banditbandit]

I don't remember there being a standard 5. Where I was it Form 1 followed Standard 4.

You never went to Standard Five? That explains a lot ..

[jasonu]

You never went to Standard Five? That explains a lot ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_NG1yXT6QY

[jimichelle]

Because on a bike far left is a dumb spot. Keeping just left of the centre line allows you to see right down the road although the safer spot is in the righthand wheel track.

On the left you can't see squat if there are vehicles in front of you. Sure ride there if you're in a group and riding staggered but the first rider should be the one with all the visibility because he's setting the pace.

It seems to me the original poster may not have been riding staggered and may also be the sort of person who passes on blind corners which is the dumbest idea in all of humanity.


although the safer spot is in the righthand wheel track ? bollocks the safest place to ride is where you can see the drivers face in their wing mirror at least you can assume they might have seen you also give you a line if the brake

40 years of riding here
i enjoy seeing a bike in the distance catching up waiting for a moment so they know you are there and then twisting throttle i aint going to wait till they move they are in the front the onus is on you to pass safely
same applies if a bike comes up to me i aint moving or changing the way im riding to accomodate them

[jasonu]

at least you can assume they might have seen you also give you a line if the brake



The only assumption a biker should ever make is all other drivers are fuckwits and are out to get you.

[Berries]

same applies if a bike comes up to me i aint moving or changing the way im riding to accomodate them
Thanks heaps. Glad to know that there are such courteous people out there.

Do you have a caravan by any chance?