Paeroa street race 2019

[Rick 52]

Who would be keen to race a bucket at Paeroa ?

[mr bucketracer]

i could un retire for that

[Rick 52]

i could un retire for that

Now thats good news :)
Im putting a proposal forward for Buckets .
Fingers crossed I get my RS125 89 finished and get to race it at Whanganui and Paeroa .

[jellywrestler]

Now thats good news :)
Im putting a proposal forward for Buckets .
Fingers crossed I get my RS125 89 finished and get to race it at Whanganui and Paeroa .

you'll need three ticks before either of them

[sidecar bob]

You first need to ask yourselves if the public would be interested in seeing such rubbish, let alone paying for the privelidge.

[Grumph]

You first need to ask yourselves if the public would be interested in seeing such rubbish, let alone paying for the privelidge.

Well, they've run regularly at Greymouth. Before the licences got too expensive, the bucket races were one of the highlights of the day. Thirty plus buckets running four and five abreast into corners and bouncing off kerbs and each other. Better than all-in wrestling to watch. LOL.
If you're putting on entertainment which gets the spectators up to the barriers to watch, they're well worth doing.

Organisers have to decide which of a parade of expensive machinery or a no holds barred race on buckets is going to entertain more....

[jellywrestler]

You first need to ask yourselves if the public would be interested in seeing such rubbish, let alone paying for the privelidge.

with i think only one class having double digit numbers on the track this year it'll be tough to make the meeting even work next year.

[Drew]

with i think only one class having double digit numbers on the track this year it'll be tough to make the meeting even work next year.

And low spectator numbers.

[eldog]

And low spectator numbers.

I was there and would go again if the conditions were similar.

Watching a bunch of skilled riders on the street was entertaining as well as watching the locals:cool:

[jasonu]

You first need to ask yourselves if the public would be interested in seeing such rubbish, let alone paying for the privelidge.

I agree.
Watching 3 or 4 sidecars drop shit all over the track until they blow up is way more interesting.

[Rick 52]

You first need to ask yourselves if the public would be interested in seeing such rubbish, let alone paying for the privelidge.

Seeing such rubbish ??? I think you need a little more respect for the best feeder class in motorcycle racing .

[sidecar bob]

Seeing such rubbish ??? I think you need a little more respect for the best feeder class in motorcycle racing .

I think you need to pull you're collective heads out of your arses & respect there a lot more going on in motorcycle racing than buckets. Hence my oft used term "bucket bubble"
I don't have a problem with motorcycles of any type or class, just the attitudes of those that operate them.

[sidecar bob]

I agree.
Watching 3 or 4 sidecars drop shit all over the track until they blow up is way more interesting.

Which time?:facepalm:

[Grumph]

with i think only one class having double digit numbers on the track this year it'll be tough to make the meeting even work next year.

Putting it bluntly - survival is all about putting numbers on track. Numbers equal entry fees - and it costs as much for a bucket entry as a F1 bike.

Down here most clubs run a bucket class at meetings - it's economics 101 - entries equal money for the club.

Tradition doesn't guarantee entries. Just because you've always run a class doesn't guarantee it will stay viable.

[speedpro]

. . . . Just because you've always run a class doesn't guarantee it will stay viable.

Buckets have run with essentially the same rules(or lack of rules) since mid '80s. Would seem a viable class.

[Grumph]

Buckets have run with essentially the same rules(or lack of rules) since mid '80s. Would seem a viable class.

Not arguing that fact....My point was that if you've always run a class at a particular meeting and it no longer attracts entries, then bringing in a class with more entries will help your meeting survive.

I'd like to see some figures from Wanganui for instance. Did dropping an existing class to make room for the Suzuki 150's result in an overall increase in entry numbers ?

[Drew]

Not arguing that fact....My point was that if you've always run a class at a particular meeting and it no longer attracts entries, then bringing in a class with more entries will help your meeting survive.

I'd like to see some figures from Wanganui for instance. Did dropping an existing class to make room for the Suzuki 150's result in an overall increase in entry numbers ?Which class got dropped? There were over 20 gixxer 150s there.

I've seen only one of those for sale since the season ended, so I'm picking there will be at least that many again next season.

[jellywrestler]

Which class got dropped? There were over 20 gixxer 150s there.

I've seen only one of those for sale since the season ended, so I'm picking there will be at least that many again next season.

classics and there were 13gixxer cup riders, did you have the other seven locked away in your truck?
there's loads of them for sale too

[Drew]

classics and there were 13gixxer cup riders, did you have the other seven locked away in your truck?
there's loads of them for sale too

There ya go then. Shows how much attention I pay.

[husaberg]

Well, they've run regularly at Greymouth. Before the licences got too expensive, the bucket races were one of the highlights of the day. Thirty plus buckets running four and five abreast into corners and bouncing off kerbs and each other. Better than all-in wrestling to watch. LOL.
If you're putting on entertainment which gets the spectators up to the barriers to watch, they're well worth doing.

Organisers have to decide which of a parade of expensive machinery or a no holds barred race on buckets is going to entertain more....

The buckets and the motards are always the biggest class there.
It needs to be remembered by a few that the GMSR was originally a classic motorbike race that also let other classes such as Bears and moderns race also.
The classic are just one class now.

[Rick 52]

I think you need to pull you're collective heads out of your arses & respect there a lot more going on in motorcycle racing than buckets. Hence my oft used term "bucket bubble"
I don't have a problem with motorcycles of any type or class, just the attitudes of those that operate them.

If you dont have a problem with this class, why are you commenting and calling it Rubbish ??
Im not in a bubble Ive been involved in all types of racing all my life
Im promoting the class and trying to get more numbers of riders, trying to get a great opportunity for riders to race a road circuit.

What have you done recently to promote motorcycle racing ?

If you dont appropriate the Bucket class, jog on troll !!

[Drew]

What have you done recently to promote motorcycle racing ?

If you dont appropriate the Bucket class, jog on troll !!

Haha haha. Ya picked the wrong guy to try that line on.

[Reckless]

with i think only one class having double digit numbers on the track this year it'll be tough to make the meeting even work next year.

Might me time to get the Karts back then!
I raced Paeroa in my Meth 125 gearbox, Two years running I think?? before we got canned. Crowds always like the Karts too.
Did Paeroa, Cemetary, Napier street race, Masterton street race and a few others I cant remember lol
Looked at sidecars (with the missus swinging) because of the above experience but not enough in Aucks so went Pre 89.
Was looking forward next year to have a go on the bike but maybe it might be struggling :(

Karts are a good option! Superkarts, 250 national and 125 gearbox etc put on a good show if they are struggling for crowd entertainment.

[jellywrestler]

What have you done recently to promote motorcycle racing ?

!!
the list of what he hasn't done would be shorter.

[TALLIS]

We've all heard what Bob has done for boys. In motorcycling I mean, not the other stuff. But I know frist hand that Rick has also for years and is also an all round top bloke! But you didn't hear that from me.
He's only judging interest from prospective racers, I've been down south and raced a few meets on a bucket at the big tracks and grumph is spot on, the fields are big and bring a lot more entry money o the clubs and events. It's worth considering up north in my view.

[Grumph]

Might me time to get the Karts back then!
I raced Paeroa in my Meth 125 gearbox, Two years running I think?? before we got canned. Crowds always like the Karts too.
Did Paeroa, Cemetary, Napier street race, Masterton street race and a few others I cant remember lol
Looked at sidecars (with the missus swinging) because of the above experience but not enough in Aucks so went Pre 89.
Was looking forward next year to have a go on the bike but maybe it might be struggling :(

Karts are a good option! Superkarts, 250 national and 125 gearbox etc put on a good show if they are struggling for crowd entertainment.

Don't know what the situation is like oop North - but kart officialdom down here won't look at street circuits AFAIK other than the occasional demo run.
They're seriously reluctant to even use the big circuits.

[NSR143]

You first need to ask yourselves if the public would be interested in seeing such rubbish, let alone paying for the privelidge.

you need to get stuffed, what a moron. probably a video game player by all accounts... best racing in the 5 known dimensions...

[NSR143]

I think you need to pull you're collective heads out of your arses & respect there a lot more going on in motorcycle racing than buckets. Hence my oft used term "bucket bubble"
I don't have a problem with motorcycles of any type or class, just the attitudes of those that operate them.

The attitudes of those in Buckets is beyond awesome (orsome even perhaps), great feeder class for those that don't feel that 'buckets' is beneath them, and cheap for those that do not wish to go into the big classes where $300 of tyres per meeting is a minimum! I have never met a Bucket race meeting 'operator' that has anything but laid their personal time on the line to help others have fun and learn the skills.

You are just a feeble Troll Mr sidecar bob. Worthless and futile, grumpy and derogatory. You would have been great in the trenches (on the enemy side).

[ellipsis]

...hmmmm...another of these threads...boring from both ends...

[NSR143]

...hmmmm...another of these threads...boring from both ends...

Wouldn't be boring if people answered the question by the OP rather than Trolling like FWits. Just guys trying to help and see if anyone's keen.

It's like saying 'cheap pizza if anyone's keen' if you don't like pizza you say no thanks, if you do and the time and place suits you say yes please. :)

[sidecar bob]

The attitudes of those in Buckets is beyond awesome (orsome even perhaps), great feeder class for those that don't feel that 'buckets' is beneath them, and cheap for those that do not wish to go into the big classes where $300 of tyres per meeting is a minimum! I have never met a Bucket race meeting 'operator' that has anything but laid their personal time on the line to help others have fun and learn the skills.

You are just a feeble Troll Mr sidecar bob. Worthless and futile, grumpy and derogatory. You would have been great in the trenches (on the enemy side).

I have competed at bucket meetings, with no mention or regard for the fact I had won NZ titles in adult classes, I have tried to encourage bucket racers to compete at adult level, all without being condescending in the slightest, by offering them adult machines to compete on, I have flag marshalled at bucket meetings, & generally got involved, because, as you guys say, it's a feeder class, so I tried to help lead into the next level, because isint that the purpose of "feeder classes"
Turns out it's not a feeder class, it's a bunch of tools that don't want to feed on to anything other than each other's cocks, so I gave up trying.
I'm not trolling, I'm just a product of my expierence with said class.
Take a hard look at yourselves & start behaving like it's not Moto GP.

[husaberg]

Take a hard look at yourselves & start behaving like it's not Moto GP.
phah, If it was Motogp Rossi Marquez and co would be riding a 300HP bikes if there bike was tuned to the same level as Speedpros dirty old MB100 is:bleh:
As it is they are only running about 240HP/liter rather than 300hp/liter that the best buckets are.

[speedpro]

Adult classes?? Is it just me?

[jasonu]

I have competed at bucket meetings, with no mention or regard for the fact I had won NZ titles in adult classes, I have tried to encourage bucket racers to compete at adult level, all without being condescending in the slightest, by offering them adult machines to compete on, I have flag marshalled at bucket meetings, & generally got involved, because, as you guys say, it's a feeder class, so I tried to help lead into the next level, because isint that the purpose of "feeder classes"
Turns out it's not a feeder class, it's a bunch of tools that don't want to feed on to anything other than each other's cocks, so I gave up trying.
I'm not trolling, I'm just a product of my expierence with said class.
Take a hard look at yourselves & start behaving like it's not Moto GP.

What is an adult class?

[NSR143]

I have competed at bucket meetings, with no mention or regard for the fact I had won NZ titles in adult classes, I have tried to encourage bucket racers to compete at adult level, all without being condescending in the slightest, by offering them adult machines to compete on, I have flag marshalled at bucket meetings, & generally got involved, because, as you guys say, it's a feeder class, so I tried to help lead into the next level, because isint that the purpose of "feeder classes"
Turns out it's not a feeder class, it's a bunch of tools that don't want to feed on to anything other than each other's cocks, so I gave up trying.
I'm not trolling, I'm just a product of my expierence with said class.
Take a hard look at yourselves & start behaving like it's not Moto GP.

It IS a feeder class but some of the riders would not be able to afford big bike racing or it is past their stage of life(some having returned from many years racing 'adult level' racing... that's not condescending at all is it?) or maybe committing to a national class series or even a full Vic winter series etc would take them away from kids, work, farm etc for too long.

Anyone wish to make a list for this goof of all the national and international racers that did start in Buckets? Would have been a lot more as well if local kart clubs weren't so stuffy about their tracks. Full credit to Tokoroa!!! :)

Actually it IS like MotoGP but with more happy people that go out of their way to help each other and it's cheaper to watch and get to.

Next time don't forget to tell the officials at a meeting about all your trophies and titles so they can let everyone at the riders briefing know. :)

[TALLIS]

Next time don't forget to tell the officials at a meeting about all your trophies and titles so they can let everyone at the riders briefing know. :)

Lol even you must say that's a good one bob. Dont take what bob says about the class to heart to hard. He dose have point, some people don't use it as a feeder class and use it like a premier class. But it is good for teaching young ones good skills, even if it is with the old dogs that don't move on.

[Grumph]

Lol even you must say that's a good one bob. Dont take what bob says about the class to heart to hard. He dose have point, some people don't use it as a feeder class and use it like a premier class. But it is good for teaching young ones good skills, even if it is with the old dogs that don't move on.

There are more starter classes for riders now than there have ever been before. When I started you were tossed in at the deep end against the top guys in NZ. That simply doesn't happen now.
The problem as I see it is those who make a career out of those starter classes and won't move on. OK IMO to keep a bucket and bring it out for feature meetings if you're also doing top level stuff. Not so to simply become a pot hunter chasing everyting going in addition to other racing.

I caused a major shitfight locally back in the 90's by saying in print that the local speedway TQ class had at least 5 top guys who should move up to make room for younger guys to come through. Some took the message and did move up so it helped eventually.

Anyway - back to message. Bring the buckets into your club days on the big tracks. Win in $$ terms for the clubs - Win in experience/socialising terms for the riders.

[Drew]

It wouldn't be an issue for them to run at Paeroa. There would need to be some serious time spent on a lot of the bikes to get them looking decent.

Also, enforce the 115 percent rule.

I think the battle of the streets series should be brought back. Nelson, Wanganui, and Paeroa.

[sidecar bob]

Next time don't forget to tell the officials at a meeting about all your trophies and titles so they can let everyone at the riders briefing know. :)

Na, I think I'll do what I saw at a bucket meeting, set up a table in my pits with all the trophys I've ever won on it. I might even sneak a few in that my wife won doing gymnastics in her youth just for effect.:cool:

[lodgernz]

I started motorcycle racing in 1963, and have continued on and off over the years. I've never been top class, although I was second in the NZ 125GP championship in 1975, riding what was probably the first motard, a CR125 Elsinore. I retired in 1982 from 250 proddy due to family and work commitments, and came back about 2000 to race buckets. At 73 years old, there's no way I'm going back to big-circuit racing, although I had a short stint in Development class a couple of years ago, but I can still contribute to buckets in some ways, while enjoying myself as an also-ran.

In all the time I've raced buckets, I can only think of a couple of riders who were pot-hunters, and all of the people who were winning when I started, have either moved on (mostly very successfully) to big-circuit racing, or just simply moved on. As Bob says, bucket racing provides a feeder and training opportunity for beginners, but more than that, it allows riders who are past the big stuff but are still keen to race, or to tune shit engines to make surprising horsepower, or both, to participate and enjoy the sport.
Sure the kids beat us before too long, but without decent fields of middle-aged runners, who would they learn from?

At Kaitoke, we often have 30 bikes at a club day, and we don't even score the races. Everyone races for the enjoyment.
Hardly MotoGP.

I suggest it's been a while since Bob has been to a bucket meeting. His opinions seem to be very dated.

[F5 Dave]

The more removed from the handlebars people are the more they seem to forget that the clubs and organisations were originally formed to promote racing for the everyman racer. The majority will never win or go on to great sucess but Who Cares!?!!
They are having fun racing their mates and thrashing motorbikes taking risks pushing their ability and generally having fun.
I was looking to start other classes a waays back but looked at the money spent vs the amount of actual track time and thought' are they having more fun?' This along with successful racers coming back to the class convinced me to stay put.

Stop trolling here and go join some non motorcycling forum to get whatever jollies you get from this rubbish.
Rick was asking people who love racing if this is the sort of event they want to engage in. If we stab the volunteers too many times they will burn out. Again. Just think about that.

[Autech]

with i think only one class having double digit numbers on the track this year it'll be tough to make the meeting even work next year.

Pretty much, was shocked to see how few were racing on my return to spectating there this year. Still the same class of locals getting hammered on booze and cheering on the motards doing skids though lol.

[timg]

Who would be keen to race a bucket at Paeroa ?
Getting this thread back on track, if there were a bucket class I’d likely make a pilgrimage to a race I’ve never attended.
Must be time to have a F4GP at a ‘real’ track too:dodge: been a while since it was at Taupo A track. Really enjoyed that meeting.

[Kickaha]

Don't know what the situation is like oop North - but kart officialdom down here won't look at street circuits AFAIK other than the occasional demo run.
They're seriously reluctant to even use the big circuits.
They don't have the numbers to do it anymore, I went to a club day and there was about 1/4-1/3 of what used to be racing back when I was


I have tried to encourage bucket racers to compete at adult level

It is an adult class, and until a few years ago the average age would have been similar to the sidecar class


It wouldn't be an issue for them to run at Paeroa. There would need to be some serious time spent on a lot of the bikes to get them looking decent.

Also, enforce the 115 percent rule.

I think the battle of the streets series should be brought back. Nelson, Wanganui, and Paeroa.

A lot of Buckets here would outdo other classes in prep and presentation or as a minimum be as good as

115% rule just means you got shot of a few sidecars

Greymouth is a better meeting than Nelson

[Voltaire]

I did a year of buckets at Mt Welly, lots of fun and taught me falling off.
The small field at Paeroa meant I won prize money on an R65. :headbang:
I'm sure you could beat my 94kmph average speed.
Never listen to the nay sayers.

[Autech]

Getting this thread back on track, if there were a bucket class I’d likely make a pilgrimage to a race I’ve never attended.
Must be time to have a F4GP at a ‘real’ track too:dodge: been a while since it was at Taupo A track. Really enjoyed that meeting.

As I'm not keen to race a street circuit I'd happily lend out my frankenbucket to one of the SI homies if you wanted to come up and race without trailering your bike up.
Anything that raises the profile of the premier motorcycle racing class is the go right?

[Rick 52]

http://www.bikesportnz.com/2018/09/paeroa-street-battle-shuts-down/

[Murray]

GUTTED. So much donated. Dont donate and keep it going!