Increased Highway Patrol presence...

[caspernz]

So in the past few days I've noted an increased presence of Highway Patrol units out and about. Earlier than normal, later than normal, further away from the regular hangouts than normal and just more of them. No shortage of customers being pulled over too. Anyone know whether this is a blitz of sorts, a new intake of recruits ready for release, or an effort at more road policing? I'm not bothered by it at all, but it has been very noticeable :devil2::niceone:

[AllanB]

New Government has told them to get out more so it looks like they have added more police .......

[Laava]

They finally have some quality police cars?

[SaferRides]

They finally have some quality police cars?Not sure about that theory - I saw a Craptiva cop car in Southland today.

[Jeff Sichoe]

Julie Ann Genter hates speeders so instead of catching criminals the police are now tasked with writing more tickets.

[Mike.Gayner]

I think the police have solved all the real crime, so now they can focus on speeding. Thanks, NZ Police, good to know you're working hard.

Pack of assholes.

[Paul in NZ]

Given the number of road deaths already this year you must have expected more HP on the roads surely....

Besides - what with lowering the speed limits everywhere we will need many more people to write out all the tickets that are expected...

[R650R]

Julie Ann Genter hates speeders so instead of catching criminals the police are now tasked with writing more tickets.

Yep the socialist regime wants your cash and wants you riding pushbikes so you can be run over and then picked up by an ambulance funded by your own ticket...... Ve arre Vere to Velp zou!!!
The housing dept even hired there own scientist to contradict the ministry of health to put all the poor people back into meth houses sitting empty.....

[Voltaire]

The good news for the Police is KrispyKreme have opened in Manukau.
Uber Eats probably do Patrol Car delivery.

https://www.krispykreme.co.nz/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/o/r/original-glaze-top_1.jpg

https://www.krispykreme.co.nz/

[caspernz]

Not sure about that theory - I saw a Craptiva cop car in Southland today.

There's a few of them around now, must be cheap.:laugh::laugh:


Given the number of road deaths already this year you must have expected more HP on the roads surely....

Besides - what with lowering the speed limits everywhere we will need many more people to write out all the tickets that are expected...

Totally understand why, just wondering why it took this long. Now to see if it's a sustained effort, we sure as heck need it.

[rastuscat]

Julie Ann Genter hates speeders so instead of catching criminals the police are now tasked with writing more tickets.


https://youtu.be/Q_v34lK_oXw

[SaferRides]

https://youtu.be/Q_v34lK_oXw
Very good ad.

Maybe we could start with zero deaths from police chases.

[rastuscat]

Very good ad.

Maybe we could start with zero deaths from police chases.

That's easily achievable. If people didn't fail to stop.

[PrincessBandit]

Maybe we could start with zero deaths from police chases.

I know, let’s have no police chases at all and let theiving criminal scum feel free to take off from the scenes of their crimes safe and happy in the knowledge they won’t be pursued.
(Of course should they injure or kill anyone else in the process we will still blame the cops).

[Mike.Gayner]

That's easily achievable. If people didn't fail to stop.

Police are supposed to be the level-headed ones here. They consciously decide that it's worth putting the public's lives at risk over a stolen car or whatever. Stolen property is not worth killing people over. But the dumbfuck cops in this country are so fucking eager to get their jollies in a chase that I doubt anything will change.

[Cosmik de Bris]

Police are supposed to be the level-headed ones here. They consciously decide that it's worth putting the public's lives at risk over a stolen car or whatever. Stolen property is not worth killing people over. But the dumbfuck cops in this country are so fucking eager to get their jollies in a chase that I doubt anything will change.

Yes, this is the problem. The police are just as bad. They like to chase people and in some cases are young and impetuous just like the people they are chasing. The police guy on the radio says they assess the risk all the time but do they?

And now for an anecdotal story. A motorbike hit a tree outside my son's house, they all rushed outside and the police were already there having chased the guy for some kilometres. The police tried to get the flatmates to say that they arrived some time later than they actually did because it was obvious that they had not called off the pursuit even though they said they had. The rider died at the scene BTW. This case was on National radio at the time and of course the police story was believed and because it was a scum motorcyclist, well, they deserve it don't they?

Another, although a long time ago. My mate was wiped out on his Kawasaki H1 by a police car on the wrong side of the road chasing a speeder. No compensation from the police, no insurance because, well, insurance companies.

Cheers

[EJK]

Police are supposed to be the level-headed ones here. They consciously decide that it's worth putting the public's lives at risk over a stolen car or whatever. Stolen property is not worth killing people over. But the dumbfuck cops in this country are so fucking eager to get their jollies in a chase that I doubt anything will change.

Oh you mean:
The criminals shouldn't risk their lives over stolen car or whatever and is not worth being killed?

[Dodgy]

A mate of mine works in traffic prosecutions for the Police. He hadn't done front line service for a few years so when asked to escort a North Island cycle tour, he was keen to. So, in his patrol going from Wellington, he spies a Ducati going too fast on the Plimmerton straight. He decides to give chase and freely admitted that he had a ball of a time thrashing the old Commodore trying to keep up. He didn't catch the bike until the Levin traffic lights, where he gave him a ticket (the rider didn't even know he was being chased!).

I asked him why he didn't get assistance. His response - I was having too much FUN!!!

Boys in uniform are not immune to red mist and the thrill of the chase it appears.

[Mike.Gayner]

Oh you mean:
The criminals shouldn't risk their lives over stolen car or whatever and is not worth being killed?

The risk starts when the police decide to engage in a dangerous pursuit for petty crimes. The deadly escalation is initiated by the police.

[EJK]

The risk starts when the police decide to engage in a dangerous pursuit for petty crimes. The deadly escalation is initiated by the police.

Actually, the risk starts when the offender decides to start making a run for it: At full speed, ignoring stop signs, all traffic lights, eventually putting innocent public in danger. Thank fuck they only killed themselves this time.

[rastuscat]

Police are supposed to be the level-headed ones here. They consciously decide that it's worth putting the public's lives at risk over a stolen car or whatever. Stolen property is not worth killing people over. But the dumbfuck cops in this country are so fucking eager to get their jollies in a chase that I doubt anything will change.

Murder someone, and pop the body in the boot if your car. If the Police try to stop you just keep going. They will stop pursuing you if your policy is adopted.

The next day, well after you've disposed of the body, the Police will knock on the registered owners door and all you'll get is a slap on the hand for failing to stop.

See, when a car fails to stop, the only one who knows why is the offender. The Police don't know why. But they know there's normally a good reason to want to stop them.

It's a lot more complex than most folk think.

[Mike.Gayner]

Murder someone, and pop the body in the boot if your car. If the Police try to stop you just keep going. They will stop pursuing you if your policy is adopted.

The next day, well after you've disposed of the body, the Police will knock on the registered owners door and all you'll get is a slap on the hand for failing to stop.

See, when a car fails to stop, the only one who knows why is the offender. The Police don't know why. But they know there's normally a good reason to want to stop them.

It's a lot more complex than most folk think.

I know that the police in this country have proven an almost comical inability to investigate crime, but even still it's a bit ridiculous to imply that pursuits are the only way to apprehend criminals. However in the cases where people are dying in police pursuits, we're generally dealing with petty crimes like property or drug offences. In virtually every case no deaths would have occurred had the police not initiated a pursuit. Are these crimes worth people dying over?

[rastuscat]

I know that the police in this country have proven an almost comical inability to investigate crime, but even still it's a bit ridiculous to imply that pursuits are the only way to apprehend criminals. However in the cases where people are dying in police pursuits, we're generally dealing with petty crimes like property or drug offences. In virtually every case no deaths would have occurred had the police not initiated a pursuit. Are these crimes worth people dying over?

No, of course not. I'm just making the point that responsibility doesn't rest purely in the hands of the Police.

Im imagining a world where Police dont pursue. It wouldn't take long for people to just put their foot down knowing that the Police won't bother.

Honest, decent people would stop. Ratbags wouldn't.

[Mike.Gayner]

It wouldn't take long for people to just put their foot down knowing that the Police won't bother.

And this is the unfortunate attitude of the NZ Police. If an arrest isn't handed to them on a platter, they just won't bother.

[PistonBlown]

In the UK the police had a couple of high profile cases where they had been chasing motorbike/moped riders that resulted in fatal crashes. The pursuit rules were updated so the police had to immediately abandon any pursuit involving a motorbike/moped if it became dangerous.

As a result:

Crims have all started riding motobikes/mopeds
As soon as a pursuit starts they take off their helmets or ride onto the pavement so the police have to abandon the pursuit
Motorbike/moped thefts have sky rocketed - one particular trick used by the crims is spraying acid into the face of the rider at traffic lights and riding off on their bike while they are rolling on the ground in agony and loosing their sight
muggings, snatch and grab, etc have increased dramatically


So the police not chasing isn't going to improve things.

[Addo007]

I know that the police in this country have proven an almost comical inability to investigate crime, but even still it's a bit ridiculous to imply that pursuits are the only way to apprehend criminals. However in the cases where people are dying in police pursuits, we're generally dealing with petty crimes like property or drug offences. In virtually every case no deaths would have occurred had the police not initiated a pursuit. Are these crimes worth people dying over?

The only ridiculous thing here is your comments when you obviously have a single minded opinion. Myself, like Rastuscat have first hand experience in the Police. The necessity to chase vehicles is obvious for numerous reasons, the primary being that the crime rate would go through the roof if it was completely outlawed. Comical inability to investigate crime? Yes certain crimes have to be prioritised especially in big cities due to staffing, but there’s not many murders, robberies etc that go unsolved through outstanding Police work. Instead of the Police being judged accountable for pursuit deaths, maybe harsher penalties for offenders and the ability for Police to put an end to pursuits quicker would be the way to go. You obviously have a grudge against the Police for some reason, may be time to get over it.

[Blackbird]

You obviously have a grudge against the Police for some reason, may be time to get over it.

With Azkle and Cassina sidelined, it's in the KB rules that someone has to take the title of KB Cock :yes:

[Jeff Sichoe]

https://youtu.be/Q_v34lK_oXw

https://i.imgur.com/ee8prq1.png

Ban Fatty Food

Ban Smoking

Ban Suicide

Ban Sugar

Ban Driving / Riding

nah no thanks man, people have a certain amount of personal responsibility and being on the road includes the chance of death.

You can't santize life itself, and if you want that, I feel sorry for you.

[rambaldi]

In the UK the police had a couple of high profile cases where they had been chasing motorbike/moped riders that resulted in fatal crashes. The pursuit rules were updated so the police had to immediately abandon any pursuit involving a motorbike/moped if it became dangerous.

As a result:

Crims have all started riding motobikes/mopeds
As soon as a pursuit starts they take off their helmets or ride onto the pavement so the police have to abandon the pursuit
Motorbike/moped thefts have sky rocketed - one particular trick used by the crims is spraying acid into the face of the rider at traffic lights and riding off on their bike while they are rolling on the ground in agony and loosing their sight
muggings, snatch and grab, etc have increased dramatically


So the police not chasing isn't going to improve things.

The acid thing was because it wasn't classified as a weapon in charging guides or some such technical bullshit (so basically shorter sentences vs just using a knife). That has been changed recently and the acid attacks are going down. Just being replaced with being mugged for your bike normally now.

[awayatc]

No, of course not. I'm just making the point that responsibility doesn't rest purely in the hands of the Police.

Im imagining a world where Police dont pursue. It wouldn't take long for people to just put their foot down knowing that the Police won't bother.

Honest, decent people would stop. Ratbags wouldn't.

Sadly that is the truth. ......

Police should pursue......

[PistonBlown]

The acid thing was because it wasn't classified as a weapon in charging guides or some such technical bullshit (so basically shorter sentences vs just using a knife). That has been changed recently and the acid attacks are going down. Just being replaced with being mugged for your bike normally now.

Yep that and the fact that acid could overpower you without them having to worry about you fighting back. At least they caught some of them, one 17 year old just been sent to jail for 10 1/2 years for six attacks on moped riders in less than 90 minutes - all the victims suffered "life-changing" injuries. Apparently if he'd been tried as an adult the sentence would have been 22 years.

[rastuscat]

And this is the unfortunate attitude of the NZ Police. If an arrest isn't handed to them on a platter, they just won't bother.

It takes hours of plod work the next day and subsequently to track down a fleeing driver.

Meanwhile, the next days work gets further and further behind. And the day after that, and the day after that.

In the real world, there are only so many things a cop can do.

It's not like TV, where crimes get committed, enquiries conducted, and criminals convicted, in 55 minutes, including time for ad breaks.

You don't see many tv cop shows where the cops spend 75% of their time doing paperwork.

[Mirage]

Criminals are not held to a higher standard, because well, they are criminals. The police, should however be held to a higher standard, theoretically to protect & serve. Protect includes protecting the public from a skewed police chase. By skewed I mean were the risks out way the alleged crime/offense committed vs. the potential threat to public (fleeing armed robbers, known dangerous wanted criminal, etc.). Blindly chasing or "running someone down" e.g. for going 20km/h over the speed limit, is quite frankly irresponsible and creating a bigger danger to the public than the initial offence of speeding.

Twice in the past were I got done for MINIMAL speeding the cop was having a fun time "chasing" catching up to me to pull me over. Once on the motorway in Auckland, in peak hour traffic, (only to see his lights 3km further down the road from where he said he pinged me).
The other (I was singled out riding in a stream of cars doing the same speed) going through one of those 80KM/h stretches on a rural motorway.
He pinged me whilst he was driving in the oncoming traffic.

So lets asses both instances. In both cases you have a 180kg bike and rider going slightly over the limit. In the first case how fast did the cop have to travel in a 2000kg car (more mass, more momentum, more damage caused in a crash) , through peak hour traffic, to catch up with me?
In the second case, the cop had to stop (I am assuming), checking that it is safe (I am assuming) to do a U-turn, and then speed way faster than I was going, overtake several cars behind me, in a 2000kg car in order to catch up to me.

I struggle to think that it was worth the risk they exposed the public to, to ping a rider doing moderately over the limit.

It's the "get them at all costs" mentality that needs to stop.

[R650R]

I love police chases, best value free entertainment out there.

But the govt and the police need to lose the restraints that are wrecking it for them.

Number one- NO pursuit EVER will be abandoned, this is what drives young idiots in shitboxes to start driving on the wrongside of road with lights off to force cops to abandon.
Number two-END national comms invoilvement in puruits on radio, let the local cops sort it with local knowledge.
Number three- SPIKES always allowed no need to waste time asking permission.
Number four- Shooting at a fleeing vehicle authroised, imnijtially into engine bay but at driver allowed in more dangerous instances (this should end 70% before they start out of fear alone)
Number five-INSTANT mandatory four year no parole jail term for failing to stop
Number six- install remote gates at strategic points around town like the Ruapehu Lahar gates on SH1 to contain a pursuit to confined area.

Living on the fringe of the Bronx in NZ I've seen several times where a pursuit has been abandoned by the cops... but the offender has come past my house just as dangerously as if they still being chased... except motorists have no warning of lights or a song of sirens....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spnH5ynCJvo



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spnH5ynCJvo

[EJK]

Criminals are not held to a higher standard, because well, they are criminals. The police, should however be held to a higher standard, theoretically to protect & serve. Protect includes protecting the public from a skewed police chase. By skewed I mean were the risks out way the alleged crime/offense committed vs. the potential threat to public (fleeing armed robbers, known dangerous wanted criminal, etc.). Blindly chasing or "running someone down" e.g. for going 20km/h over the speed limit, is quite frankly irresponsible and creating a bigger danger to the public than the initial offence of speeding.

Twice in the past were I got done for MINIMAL speeding the cop was having a fun time "chasing" catching up to me to pull me over. Once on the motorway in Auckland, in peak hour traffic, (only to see his lights 3km further down the road from where he said he pinged me).
The other (I was singled out riding in a stream of cars doing the same speed) going through one of those 80KM/h stretches on a rural motorway.
He pinged me whilst he was driving in the oncoming traffic.

So lets asses both instances. In both cases you have a 180kg bike and rider going slightly over the limit. In the first case how fast did the cop have to travel in a 2000kg car (more mass, more momentum, more damage caused in a crash) , through peak hour traffic, to catch up with me?
In the second case, the cop had to stop (I am assuming), checking that it is safe (I am assuming) to do a U-turn, and then speed way faster than I was going, overtake several cars behind me, in a 2000kg car in order to catch up to me.

I struggle to think that it was worth the risk they exposed the public to, to ping a rider doing moderately over the limit.

It's the "get them at all costs" mentality that needs to stop.

So you are saying police should be more lazy with their jobs and more tolerate speeders (e.g. someone going 20/kph over the limit)? Won't the public then say "the pigs aren't doing their jobs right!"?

For the record I'm all for police chase. I got pinged in the past a couple times for my own speeding, but I don't bitch and while about how unfair it was or the cops could be catching "the real bad guys" etc.

I broke the law. They did their job. End of story.

[Mirage]

So you are saying police should be more lazy with their jobs and more tolerate speeders (e.g. someone going 20/kph over the limit)? Won't the public then say "the pigs aren't doing their jobs right!"?

For the record I'm all for police chase. I got pinged in the past a couple times for my own speeding, but I don't bitch and while about how unfair it was or the cops could be catching "the real bad guys" etc.

I broke the law. They did their job. End of story.
Nowhere was I bitching about getting done. Nowhere did I say the cops should be lazy. What I am saying is, surely, there has to be some common sense applied by the cop, before he decides to chase down someone for a minor infraction: would his actions for a "pursuit" be more hazardous to the general public (than the minor speeder) for the sake of issuing a minor speeding ticket? In a lot of instances, yes. I am sure there are cops that apply this logic and don't do a U-turn on a busy rural motorway, for the sake of issuing a minor speeding ticket. The risks of this is just not worth it IMO. We have seen this in the past were motorcyclists got "taken out" by U-turning cops wanting to chase speeders down, haven't we.

[EJK]

Nowhere was I bitching about getting done. Nowhere did I say the cops should be lazy. What I am saying is, surely, there has to be some common sense applied by the cop, before he decides to chase down someone for a minor infraction: would his actions for a "pursuit" be more hazardous to the general public (than the minor speeder) for the sake of issuing a minor speeding ticket? In a lot of instances, yes. I am sure there are cops that apply this logic and don't do a U-turn on a busy rural motorway, for the sake of issuing a minor speeding ticket. The risks of this is just not worth it IMO. We have seen this in the past were motorcyclists got "taken out" by U-turning cops wanting to chase speeders down, haven't we.

Do you think police are dumb?

[Mirage]

Do you think police are dumb? No, just as fallible as the rest of us. Asking if police are dumb, is a broad brush. Like across all walks of society, I suspect there are some intelligent ones and some not so intelligent. Some clearly think that any infraction, no matter how minor, are worth a pursuit, regardless of the risks. Just as equally, as I have said before, I am sure there are a lot of level headed police who apply some sort of common sense and don't "pursue at any cost".

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2465629/Police-U-turn-crash-probed

[jasonu]

With Azkle and Cassina sidelined, it's in the KB rules that someone has to take the title of KB Cock :yes:

I thought this place was a little duller than usual.

[Cosmik de Bris]

Murder someone, and pop the body in the boot if your car. If the Police try to stop you just keep going. They will stop pursuing you if your policy is adopted.

The next day, well after you've disposed of the body, the Police will knock on the registered owners door and all you'll get is a slap on the hand for failing to stop.

See, when a car fails to stop, the only one who knows why is the offender. The Police don't know why. But they know there's normally a good reason to want to stop them.

It's a lot more complex than most folk think.

Good grief, anyone can make silly hypothetical situations like this, and the good reason to stop people is what, I feel like a car chase today?

I was told once you may outrun a police car but you can't outrun a radio. Why don't the police use the radio and keep an eye on the offender with the cooperation of other police units, no need for one vehicle to do everything. I know there aren't enough resources, well then don't chase people until there are. If the police weren't so keen to have a chase they could let the offender go, public opinion would probably soon force the issue and more resources provided by the government because now it'd be their fault rather than the police.

Cheers

[T.W.R]

Good grief, anyone can make silly hypothetical situations like this, and the good reason to stop people is what, I feel like a car chase today?

I was told once you may outrun a police car but you can't outrun a radio. Why don't the police use the radio and keep an eye on the offender with the cooperation of other police units, no need for one vehicle to do everything. I know there aren't enough resources, well then don't chase people until there are. If the police weren't so keen to have a chase they could let the offender go, public opinion would probably soon force the issue and more resources provided by the government because now it'd be their fault rather than the police.

Cheers

Short memory huh? where & how this would've unfolded if the police hadn't intervened

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/103646196/Five-arrested-after-kidnapping-of-two-women-in-Auckland


Been in a couple of interesting chases from the police many years ago, both ended by the aid of police radio....one including a multi police vehicle road block at the end of the motorway into ChCh opposite the Peg in Belfast and another that ended up being corralled in a back street by multiple police vehicles :yes:

[nodrog]

What we really need is a safe space.

[Swoop]

The police are just as bad. They like to chase people and in some cases are young and impetuous just like the people they are chasing.
Motorways cop I know, actually counts to ten before commencing a chase.
"Gotta have proper fun chasing and catching up...".


Number five-INSTANT mandatory four year no parole jail term for ...
Nope. Liarbour wants any jail term less than 2 years to be on home detention.

What we really need is a safe space.
I'd suggest anywhere between 150 - 300kmh as meeting that criteria.




The whole chase thing is a joke. What is a runner going to do, cross the State line / Border?

[R650R]

The whole chase thing is a joke. What is a runner going to do, cross the State line / Border?

Locally they seem to end up in either of two suburbs.... prior to ditching the car they will do several laps of local streets to wake up their family and associates before jumping fences to hide in their mates house. Think dog handlers love this game and the chance to opportunist search properties.... geez these crims arent bright are they....
One did get creative and ditch moving car into drainage creek, crossing expressway afterwards but they caught him too.....

unrelated but (trying to find a relevant vid iwatched but cant)... Cop goes thru red light at 79mph and hits innocent motorist....


https://youtu.be/2FrsljG3tNE?t=1m40s

[jellywrestler]

It takes hours of plod work the next day and subsequently to track down a fleeing driver.

. it takes hours to trace most crimes doesn't it, that's their job.
why don't police cars have cameras in them, a lot of crimes are solved these days by putting the footage or photo on facebook etc, are the cops scared of having video recordings of the days work or something?
it seems a very simple solution to evidence for pretty well all road crimes to me, once the footage has been handed over with the paperwork it's up to others to administer then you can get back to the donut shop..

[R650R]

it takes hours to trace most crimes doesn't it, that's their job.
why don't police cars have cameras in them, a lot of crimes are solved these days by putting the footage or photo on facebook etc, are the cops scared of having video recordings of the days work or something?
it seems a very simple solution to evidence for pretty well all road crimes to me, once the footage has been handed over with the paperwork it's up to others to administer then you can get back to the donut shop..

I think one of the councils did that and their was an uproar.... as it was a highly efficient technique... remember early doco on ANPR plate reader cars, UK cop said it picked up so many wanted people/expired taxes etc they he could do an honest days work parked outside cop shop, turns out 1 in 10 is a vehicle of interest.....

Would suck for bikers though... those times on group rides where you all frapp it out of roundabout and blast past few cars. A cop on other side could instantly issue say 10 bikes with tickets for illegal street racing, unnecessary acceleration, inconsiderate overtaking etc.....

We've had basically EVERYTHING that is in the Person of Interest Tv show for about 20 years but various govts have decided NOT to utilise it.... Theye even pretended the new computer system that ran it was faulty once they realised its power. You see they realise that fear keeps them in power, not fear of them. While we are scared of p-addicts, burglars and massive increase in gang numbers we haven't got time or money for protests or political action/mass strikes about the shite job govts are doing....
Note that everytime some random autistic zero threat teenager makes some random comment on an obscure blog that no one reads, about doing ******** to ****** MP whooooosh they are vacumned up and swat teamed.... bang first offence and the system plucks them out of the ether.....
But high level crims with a bread crumb of cell and banking data tracking them right down to street level addicts are rarely as a percentage caught.... eg 100% of the above described group nailed.... but what at a guess 5% of high level crims caught????

Here's the simplist thing I'd do if I was in CIB..... get my spunky intern/office bitch to compile at list of the top ten muscle cars eg HSV commodores etc.... Check out the owners employment/crime history/postcode and write some algorithm that works out likely legal ownership of expensive assets. Also look out for same vehicles owned by auntys/grandmas that would have no interest in driving such cars.
Then go knock on some doors and delve into bank records etc.....
You cant tell me that wouldn't lead to a meth distributor or two...... without even leaving the station.....
Instead of having those expensive drug dog teams wasting time visitng prisons (I mean who gives a damn about prisoners being on drugs, they are locked away from hurting us at the time) you have them at supermarkets and bottle stores and patrolling the car aprks at major sports events and concerts etc....
ANY crime that doesn't not involve harm against a person you let them off free or massively reduced sentence if they Rat on someone significantly higher up the foodchain. Of course they wont know any decent info but just a name of who to look at would be major boost, they only get to use this option once though to make sure they give a decent lead.....

[rastuscat]

why don't police cars have cameras in them, a lot of crimes are solved these days by putting the footage or photo on facebook etc, are the cops scared of having video recordings of the days work or something?
it seems a very simple solution to evidence for pretty well all road crimes to me, once the footage has been handed over with the paperwork it's up to others to administer then you can get back to the donut shop..

Data storage and management.

It would consume hundreds of hours each day having to store and administer the footage, which would have to be kept as it is gathered in the course of business, and the public have the right to request access to it.

Things are never quite as simple as keyboard warriors think.

[Scuba_Steve]

Data storage and management.

It would consume hundreds of hours each day having to store and administer the footage, which would have to be kept as it is gathered in the course of business, and the public have the right to request access to it.

Things are never quite as simple as keyboard warriors think.

But that's saying NZ is as good as many other countries isn't it. Other countries manage it alright.
Sounds more like an excuse than anything else