Tommy Robinson [Archive] - Page 2

Katman

29th June 2018, 07:27

Blather again face up to what you did which was to attempted to distort what the finding of the report was.

I challenged you every time you said this I said prove it. yet when challenged you produced these quotes. that do not say what you claim they say.
What the report actually says, that you ignore is
THIS IS WHAT THE ACTUAL REPORT SAYS.

Which is not what you have reported it to say now is it.
Also as I have pointed out they do not refer to the police ignoring the problem for fear as being perceived as being racist they refers to Councillors. these are not local body elected government authorities they are Councillors akin to youth councilors.

Bullshit. its a finding of the report. you can repeat yourself all you want i will keep posting the actual findings, until you realise how hypocritical you are being.
If as you claim the fact they found no evidence that police didn't investigate due to fear of being percieved as racst why did you deem it nessercary to edit it out.
Also why do you continue to say it stated as being a finding of the the report, when it is clear the finding was THat they could find no evidence of it.
What you fail to grasp is you cant on one hand offer the report as being proof that an event occurred when the actual finding of the exact same report is that they could ind no evidence.
it would be akin to a report into a UFO sighting interviewing someone who said they seen a UFO but the reports investigation found no evidence of a UFO, and then you saying because someone said they thought saw a UFO the report clearly acknowledges the existence of UFO's.

Racist be racists, your claims that it is the fault where they were from is the classic example of that.
the large group being blamed for the actions of a few are a soft target.
along with your continued refusal to admit what is actually clearly stated in the report. Lets get this clear, its not my interpretation at all they clearly stated they could find no evidence.

Mainstream view in this case has been twisted by idiots loudly quoting incomplete information.

Seriously, you're becoming more and more unbalanced by the day.

Berries

29th June 2018, 07:32

And look at New Zealand.

I blame religion.

husaberg

29th June 2018, 09:00

If you want substance best go to ADV rider, check out CS and M forum, very entertaining.

American have some interesting views.

Borders, historic ideas to keep people out or in some cases in.

From memory the British partitioned India and Pakistan in 1947, splitting up states forcing Muslims and Indians to move countries, millions of

deaths and untold misery. Many went to the UK.

In the Middle East post WW1 the British did the same, and were involved in hacking up Eastern Europe after WW2, after declaring war for the

invasion of Poland. Many went to the UK.

Oh and Ireland, they fucked that up to. Surprise surprise...many went to the UK.

From my time in the UK Immigrants tend to arrive and do the jobs no one else wants to do, work long hours and the locals look on and

complain, talk about football, moan about the govt and go on about winning 2 wars and a world cup.:wacko:

if you ever want oldie or Katspam to shut up just mention the partition of India.......
they will go on for years about Palestine but never a peep about Pakistan.

Katman

29th June 2018, 09:51

if you ever want oldie or Katspam to shut up just mention the partition of India.......
they will go on for years about Palestine but never a peep about Pakistan.

Researching all the instances of Britain fucking over various areas of the world would be a lifetime exercise.

And America now seems intent on out-doing them.

husaberg

29th June 2018, 10:13

Seriously, you're becoming more and more unbalanced by the day.
Unbalanced you be to suugest the report stated there was a actual racial bias in the polices investigation, when it very clearly said in the findings there was no evidence found

Do you condone turning a blind eye to the offending of a certain race due to a fear of being called a racist if you point it out?

The EDL formed as a direct result of the system's failure to prosecute certain people for fear of being labelled 'racist'.

Is there (or has there been) a failure within the English system to prosecute certain people for fear of being accused of racism?
"a widespread perception that council and police dared not act against Asian criminals for fear of allegations of racism, , the very next sentence is , "we found no evidence" of that.
But then again you have a well documented history of calling for inquires and when they come out, if they dont support you preconceived notion of an outcome in saying its just a cover up.

Researching all the instances of Britain fucking over various areas of the world would be a lifetime exercise.
And America now seems intent on out-doing them.
Off course you are too busy.....
So does that mean there will be no hundred pages about the plight of the Pakistanis due to the exact same thing that happened with the partitioning of India into two separate states at the same time as Palestine was.
That could suggest then your focus on Israel might be solely racially motivated.....

Voltaire

29th June 2018, 10:42

The British have invaded 90% of the world.

With BREXIT looming they are now trying to engage former 'Colonies". At least they should rename the " Commonwealth Games".

White bits are only places they have not been.

https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02388/BRITAIN_2388153b.jpg

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html

Katman

29th June 2018, 13:36

Unbalanced you be to suugest the report stated there was a actual racial bias in the polices investigation, when it very clearly said in the findings there was no evidence found

What the fuck goes on inside that head of yours?

You've quoted three posts of mine and the word 'police' doesn't feature in any of them.

Have another read of the report by Alexis Jay - particularly the chapter titled 'Issues of ethnicity'.

husaberg

29th June 2018, 14:17

What the fuck goes on inside that head of yours?

You've quoted three posts of mine and the word 'police' doesn't feature in any of them.

Have another read of the report by Alexis Jay - '.

just who do you think puts together the information for prosecutions in the uK......
where does the prosecution information come from that CPS present
I have read all three reports none of them say what AKA suggests they say. Or what you think.
Id suggest you either post whatever you think it says as direct quotes and let others judge it on its merits.

The EDL formed as a direct result of the system's failure to prosecute certain people for fear of being labelled 'racist'.

Is there (or has there been) a failure within the English system to prosecute certain people for fear of being accused of racism?
Not to mention

So was it about the police covering up the crimes of a certain race due to a fear of being called racist or was it just some fucking pigs trying to cover up their own crimes?

And when those crimes were uncovered did the police and local authorities make a concerted attempt to cover them up again?

Or maybe they wouldn't.
If Tommy Robinson had been grooming and raping young girls in Rotherham (and had been reported to the police for doing so) do you think he'd be allowed to carry on doing so for 15 years?

Ya still GONE a little quiet on PAKISTAN.

Katman

29th June 2018, 14:58

Ya still GONE a little quiet on PAKISTAN.

Really?

I don't recall ever discussing Pakistan.

husaberg

29th June 2018, 16:25

Really?

I don't recall ever discussing Pakistan.

Exactly........ Why is that you are so concerned that you write 100's of posts expressing your faux concern about how Palestine was partitioned ,but never a peep about Pakistan.

Katman

29th June 2018, 16:43

Exactly........ Why is that you are so concerned that you write 100's of posts expressing your faux concern about how Palestine was partitioned ,but never a peep about Pakistan.

You're welcome to start a thread about it.

Who knows, if the subject turns out to be interesting enough, I might just join in.

husaberg

29th June 2018, 17:10

You're welcome to start a thread about it.

Who knows, if the subject turns out to be interesting enough, I might just join in.
So i take it its fair to say you are only highly concerned with problems involving partitioning of states when Jewish people are involved then?
I'll start a thread about it when you run another poll about if you should just just piss off from KB.

Katman

29th June 2018, 18:19

I'll start a thread about it when you run another poll about if you should just just piss off from KB.

The previous poll must have been a huge disappointment for you.

husaberg

29th June 2018, 18:29

The previous poll must have been a huge disappointment for you.

It might have if i was even on KB then.
I can't say i voted on it
Go on go post another...

Katman

29th June 2018, 18:46

I can't say i voted on it

From a mathematical point of view, I doubt your single vote would have significantly changed the results.

husaberg

29th June 2018, 18:47

From a mathematical point of view, I doubt your single vote would have significantly changed the results.

Gee i don't know about that, put it to the polls.

Katman

29th June 2018, 18:54

Gee i don't know about that, put it to the polls.

Here's an idea.....

Put a similar poll up about yourself.

Let's see who comes out on top.

husaberg

29th June 2018, 18:57

Here's an idea.....

Put a similar poll up about yourself.

Let's see who comes out on top.

Youre not really the ideas man though are you.
As i am not a narcissist it would be rather pointless
Go on in the interest of democracy, post another one.... just think of the potential glory you could bask in.

Katman

29th June 2018, 18:59

but i am not a narcissist though

:killingme

husaberg

29th June 2018, 19:12

https://teresashieldsparker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Screen-Shot-2017-09-10-at-9.24.54-AM.png

............
The poll results have me strangely gratified.

Wanna start a poll?

Wanna start a poll?

Don't rely on guessing - start a poll.

Wanna start a poll?

Damn another important distinction for the poll options.

Have you actually looked at the poll?

This poll was started with the purpose of achieving a number of different results.
At the time it was started I had no way of knowing which way it would swing. Had it swung heavily in favour of the affirmative, that is exactly what I would have done.
I have already given one reason for the poll in the contents of this thread and stated privately to a few on here that another reason was in the hope of gaining a degree of personal encouragement to continue on a task that has often seemed a decidedly futile one - and I make no apologies for gaining that encouragement. (Maha and Mom in particular should know how disheartening it can be to try achieving something with very little display of public support).
The public nature of the poll means that everyone gets to see which side of the line people stand on. Hopefully it will spark debate between individuals in each camp as to why they voted the way they did.
To those who see it as nothing more than an ego driven publicity stunt - hey, that's your own issue to work through.
(As flawed as it might be).

You should start a poll.

I was going to say, "I set up a poll about it a while ago" (not very accurate evidence, I know) - but then realised that might upset Maha again.

You're a serial poll stalker.

Yeah, and half the votes have been me using alias log-ins.

Start a poll.
(Anyone care to hazard a guess at the percentage that would have been in my favour if I'd asked the same question 5 years ago?
I wouldn't have made it to double figures.)

Here's an idea.....
Put a similar poll up about yourself.
Let's see who comes out on top.

I would Start another poll, but i can't get the last one out of my rectum

From a mathematical point of view, I doubt your single vote would have significantly changed the results.

The previous poll must have been a huge disappointment for you.

I don't really give a fuck what you think of the concept of the poll Mark.
Like I said - it's a line in the sand.

Here's an idea.....
Put a similar poll up about yourself.Let's see who comes out on top.

sidecar bob

29th June 2018, 19:28

Im rather taken with the novel use of this old bicycle.
Im sure you will agree its quite clever.:niceone:

Honest Andy

29th June 2018, 19:52

Im rather taken with the novel use of this old bicycle.
Im sure you will agree its quite clever.:niceone:

Nice! I hope you used soap too, hygiene is very important after dropping a katman

eldog

29th June 2018, 19:53

Im rather taken with the novel use of this old bicycle.
Im sure you will agree its quite clever.:niceone:

I am sure that’s a lot of Tommy rot.

is there one with a real shitter.

somewhere near Bath or Spa

And the next GP round your visiting is?

husaberg

29th June 2018, 20:15

Im rather taken with the novel use of this old bicycle.
Im sure you will agree its quite clever.:niceone:

When do you pic up the suzi?

sidecar bob

29th June 2018, 20:16

And the next GP round your visiting is?
Just this one for the moment, then home for a few weeks, then back to the Isle Of Man to crew for a kiwi on a UK supplied Katana 1100 at the Classic TT.

eldog

29th June 2018, 20:20

Just this one for the moment, then home for a few weeks, then back to the Isle Of Man to crew for a kiwi on a UK supplied Katana 1100 at the Classic TT.

Crasher would have been impressed, i think.

:rockon:

husaberg

29th June 2018, 20:29

337422
The best sort of Katana one that contains only one Katana part (part of the tank)

sidecar bob

29th June 2018, 20:32

Crasher would have been impressed, i think.

:rockon:

Whats happened to him while i wasnt looking?

Honest Andy

29th June 2018, 21:01

in purgatory with other alleged troublemakers...

apparently he said what he thought

so we no longer hear from crasher
nor do we hear aksle's dark critique
nor a couple of others that got culled out at the same time
but at least we don't have to read what catsina heard or "read on here last year" or from the hairdresser...

although as you can see kataflam still roams the badlands looking for mischief, so it's not all dull :niceone:

eldog

29th June 2018, 21:38

Katflap It’s a real pity because I have heard from a number of KB members who have praised him in the past.

the others ‘we will remember them’ except the one who couldn’t even try to see another viewpoint.
evertime I log on now I think of them.
wonder if I will be next.
looking for another site.....

its made KB boring.....

BuzzardNZ

29th June 2018, 22:38

looking for another site.....

its made KB boring.....

True, some banned members did make the site interesting, like it or not!

I miss the Ed Vs. Bogan antics. Now those 2 could squabble and it was very entertaining :eek:.

Grumph

30th June 2018, 08:10

Whats happened to him while i wasnt looking?

It's taken me a while to realise what's happened. Go off line for a few weeks while the plumbing gets upgraded and this much shit happens...

The really annoying bit is Ellipsis disappearing in sympathy.

And yes, I liked the piece on Euro bathroom trends. The Dutch and Belgians love their bicycle art. Post IOM, you may wish to leave the Katana in a public toilet in Douglas....

AllanB

30th June 2018, 18:22

19 pages and I have not even Googled the title to see WTF this is about.

Now that probably says something about the world I live in. Or me.

WGAF

bogan

30th June 2018, 18:56

True, some banned members did make the site interesting, like it or not!

I miss the Ed Vs. Bogan antics. Now those 2 could squabble and it was very entertaining :eek:.

That cunt took being wrong to a whole new level though, but it was quite entertaining :brick:

What have I missed anyway? I see Katman still has delusions of relevance, Crasher was a GC, what did he get the boot for? I can see why axkle got the nudge, and applaud whoever got rid of that cassina muppet.

Katman

30th June 2018, 21:58

That cunt took being wrong to a whole new level though, but it was quite entertaining :brick:

What have I missed anyway? I see Katman still has delusions of relevance, Crasher was a GC, what did he get the boot for? I can see why axkle got the nudge, and applaud whoever got rid of that cassina muppet.

Schizophrenic much?

Someone mentions your name and there you are.

Murray

30th June 2018, 22:07

Just this one for the moment, then home for a few weeks, then back to the Isle Of Man to crew for a kiwi on a UK supplied Katana 1100 at the Classic TT.

Brilliant - all the best - love the Katanas = wifes bike
337426

Murray

30th June 2018, 22:15

That cunt took being wrong to a whole new level though, but it was quite entertaining :brick:

Crasher was a GC, what did he get the boot for? I can see why axkle got the nudge, and applaud whoever got rid of that cassina muppet.

But Katman (suck my cock, cry me a river) remains, strange isn't it?

Katman

30th June 2018, 22:21

*Must spread some - before I can give Murray some more red.*

husaberg

30th June 2018, 22:41

*Must spread some - before I can give Murray some more red.*
Hows that new pole going (have you removed the last one yet)

bogan

1st July 2018, 09:10

Schizophrenic much?

Someone mentions your name and there you are.

It's called a notification, dumbarse. Do you think it's just some coincidence when your phone rings someone else is on the other end who wants to talk to you? (mind you, last time someone wanted to talk to your bitter/twisted old self was probably in '89) Actually you probably think it is a conspiracy and they were always listening and just waiting...

bogan

1st July 2018, 09:11

But Katman (suck my cock, cry me a river) remains, strange isn't it?

Can't have it all I guess...

Katman

1st July 2018, 09:32

It's called a notification, dumbarse.

A notification you say? As in, receiving a notification when someone quotes you?

Except he didn't quote you.

jasonu

1st July 2018, 15:26

A notification you say? As in, receiving a notification when someone quotes you?

Except he didn't quote you.

Do you not have a life?

Laava

1st July 2018, 16:26

Do you not have a life?

He's a professional hall monitor.

husaberg

1st July 2018, 18:00

He's a professional hall monitor.

So Katman is KB's own ralph wiggum Makes sense
https://media1.tenor.com/images/57308e83ca1c22f02325e85b52aae072/tenor.gif?itemid=7341261

bogan

1st July 2018, 18:59

A notification you say? As in, receiving a notification when someone quotes you?

Except he didn't quote you.

Have you got even stupider over the last half year? I mean, I know NZ's average IQ dropped a smidge when I left but still...

I said nothing about quote notification, it's for username mentions. I mean what did you think was going on? That I was just avidly watching the site until someone said my username?

Honest Andy

1st July 2018, 19:11

Probably... that's what he does

Watch this:

Katman .....?

Laava

1st July 2018, 19:24

Probably... that's what he does

Watch this:

Katman .....?

Don't say his name three times!

Katman

1st July 2018, 20:02

I said nothing about quote notification, it's for username mentions.

Have you discovered a feature of the site that no-one else knows about?

bogan

1st July 2018, 20:12

Have you discovered a feature of the site that no-one else knows about?

Nah, I just pulled it out of my aRSSe and made the whole thing up, it's certainly not a filter on some sort of text based feed which has been around for over 10 years now :facepalm:

Katman

1st July 2018, 20:15

Nah, I just pulled it out of my aRSSe and made the whole thing up, it's certainly not a filter on some sort of text based feed which has been around for over 10 years now :facepalm:

Wow, that's a serious fascination in your own user name.

bogan

1st July 2018, 20:24

Wow, that's a serious fascination in your own user name.

You think that's serious, you should see my fascination with a set of 9 random numbers, I carry a similar notification system for them with me at all times! :weird:

husaberg

1st July 2018, 20:26

Wow, that's a serious fascination in your own user name.
Funny considering you have previously posted of your fascination with what bogans cock.

Katman

1st July 2018, 20:29

Funny considering you have previously posted of your fascination with what bogans cock.

Dude, seriously?

husaberg

1st July 2018, 20:32

Dude, seriously?
Are you suggesting you haven't?

Katman

1st July 2018, 20:35

Are you suggesting you haven't?

No, I'm serious.

Seriously?

Madness

1st July 2018, 20:36

Are you suggesting you haven't?

Ooooh, are you going to post ~37 quotes?

Bogan; wassup, nig?

husaberg

1st July 2018, 20:41

No, I'm serious.

Seriously?

I have no doubt you were serious with your interest about this cock. But are you suggesting you don't recall posting about it as well?

Katman

1st July 2018, 20:48

I have no doubt you were serious with your interest abou this cock. But are you suggesting you don't recall posting about it as well.

Quoted 'cos this conversation could get interesting.

(And I'd hate to think someone tried editing it).

bogan

1st July 2018, 20:50

Ooooh, are you going to post ~37 quotes?

Bogan; wassup, nig?

Not much, same shit, different dirt. I see this place is continuing its dying trend. How's the riding though? That cat fucker morgan pissed any more of my glove money away checking if the roads are black or just a dark grey?

husaberg

1st July 2018, 20:51

Quoted 'cos this conversation could get interesting.

(And I'd hate to think someone tried editing it).
I am pretty sure you editing my posts are not the answer to the question of, if you don't recall posting of a obvious an interest in bogans cock.

Katman

1st July 2018, 20:53

I am pretty sure you editing my posts are not the answer to the question of, if you don't recall posting of a obvious an interest in bogans cock.

Seriously?

husaberg

1st July 2018, 20:56

Seriously?

Well, It didn't appear to be a whimsical fantasy it appeared to be more of a keen interest....
So Katman has no straight answer.......... surprise surprise

Katman

1st July 2018, 21:25

Well, It didn't appear to be a whimsical fantasy it appeared to be more of a keen interest....
So Katman has no straight answer.......... surprise surprise

Please, do carry on.

husaberg

1st July 2018, 21:49

Please, do carry on.
I'd suggest it was your carry on and original interest in Bogan's penis that started the conversation.

Katman

1st July 2018, 21:51

I'd suggest it was your carry on and original interest in Bogan's penis that started the conversation.

Keep going.

husaberg

1st July 2018, 22:42

Keep going.
I'd suggest it was your feigning you had previously expressed an unhealthy interest in Bogan's penis that started this page long interaction.
But i guess for a guy like you, that has already previously mentioned he has sex dreams featuring solely men, that might be considered pretty normal.

Katman

2nd July 2018, 07:34

I'd suggest it was your feigning you had previously expressed an unhealthy interest in Bogan's penis that started this page long interaction.
But i guess for a guy like you, that has already previously mentioned he has sex dreams featuring solely men, that might be considered pretty normal.

You just don't know when to stop digging, do you?

Madness

2nd July 2018, 10:31

How's the riding though?

Choice as! Morgan’s been pretty quiet since the failed election attempt.

husaberg

2nd July 2018, 10:57

pritch

2nd July 2018, 12:28

Katman

2nd July 2018, 12:32

The fact that we are down to discussing genitalia reminds me that this thread is about due to head for the pink bits. Err pink Hell.

None of which should be considered inappropriate in a thread about a cunt.

Perhaps if those who are trying to deliberately derail the thread would fuck off and amuse themselves elsewhere, we might be able to get back to discussing the thread topic.

Katman

2nd July 2018, 13:28

Well you gave us the dirt.

I can do that too though.

See....

I have a recurring dream where a gay guy is fucking....
Is that weird or what?

husaberg

2nd July 2018, 19:23

I can do that too though.

See....
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/180863-Sick-of-being-ripped-off/page8?p=1130997174#post1130997174
Only thing is i don't have gay arse dreams or beg other males to suck my cock.....
anyone who is half smart will click on the arrow and see its clearly you has the reoccurring homosexual dreams.

Katman

2nd July 2018, 19:32

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/180863-Sick-of-being-ripped-off/page8?p=1130997174#post1130997174.

Right, so now we at least have some context.

And it turns out that it had nothing at all to do with bogan.

There you go making shit up again.

husaberg

2nd July 2018, 21:36

Right, so now we at least have some context.

And it turns out that it had nothing at all to do with bogan.

There you go making shit up again.

I wasn't talking about bogan. do keep up.

I'd suggest it was your feigning you had previously expressed an unhealthy interest in Bogan's penis that started this page long interaction.
But i guess for a guy like you, that has already previously mentioned he has sex dreams featuring solely men, that might be considered pretty normal.

So just so we are clear are you trying to claim you never posted "i wonder what bogans cock tastes like?"

Katman

2nd July 2018, 22:20

I wasn't talking about bogan. do keep it.

Really? :scratch:

Funny considering you have previously posted of your fascination with what bogans cock.

I am pretty sure you editing my posts are not the answer to the question of, if you don't recall posting of a obvious an interest in bogans cock.

I'd suggest it was your carry on and original interest in Bogan's penis that started the conversation.

I'd suggest it was your feigning you had previously expressed an unhealthy interest in Bogan's penis that started this page long interaction.

husaberg

2nd July 2018, 22:52

Really? :scratch:
clearly, you expressing your homosexual fantasies and your interest in Bogans cock are not mutually exclusive.

I'd suggest it was your feigning you had previously expressed an unhealthy interest in Bogan's penis that started this page long interaction.
But i guess for a guy like you, that has already previously mentioned he has sex dreams featuring solely men, that might be considered pretty normal.
So as well as refusing to aknowledge you have posted about your reoccurring homosexual fantasies

I have a recurring dream where a gay guy is fucking
Is that weird or what?

You are also sticking with the claim you have never posted "i wonder what bogans cock tastes like?"
Interesting of course you haven't actually come straight out and said you never said it, have you.

Katman

3rd July 2018, 08:24

You are also sticking with the claim you have never posted "i wonder what bogans cock tastes like?"
Interesting of course you haven't actually come straight out and said you never said it, have you.

I'm assuming it was a rep comment and I'm sure the context will show that I was asking you for your extensive first hand knowledge.

Can we get back to talking about Tommy Robinson now?

Berries

3rd July 2018, 09:52

Given his support base I predict it will kick off in about 24 hours if England lose in the morning.

bogan

3rd July 2018, 19:18

Choice as! Morgan’s been pretty quiet since the failed election attempt.

Good job, nice view too, I haven't done much riding, and no gravel for a while now.

clearly, you expressing your homosexual fantasies and your interest in Bogans cock are not mutually exclusive.

So as well as refusing to aknowledge you have posted about your reoccurring homosexual fantasies

You are also sticking with the claim you have never posted "i wonder what bogans cock tastes like?"
Interesting of course you haven't actually come straight out and said you never said it, have you.

I'm assuming it was a rep comment and I'm sure the context will show that I was asking you for your extensive first hand knowledge.

Can we get back to talking about Tommy Robinson now?

You guys are fucking weird aye. If my cock was anywhere near as long as the conversation you're having about it, there'd be quite a few happy ladies, sore blokes, and a few funny shaped gerbils around...

Honest Andy

3rd July 2018, 20:39

gerbils are for pussies

husaberg

3rd July 2018, 21:57

I'm assuming it was a rep comment and I'm sure the context will show that I was asking you for your extensive first hand knowledge.

Can we get back to talking about Tommy Robinson now?

So as you are now admitting you maybe said it? No it was a forum post, Well that's about as much as anyone would ever expect out of you as an admission.
Why would be bother to discuss AKA, Whats to discuss, hes in jail he admitted he was guilty, that's why hes in Jail.
Hes a pretty stupid dick for blatantly being in contempt of court like he was, he could have waited a week to post what the did, but he just wanted the publicity.
Hes not in the general prison population and likely never actually was. So really whats to discuss?
His next book deal? who will play him in his movie?

Katman

4th July 2018, 07:18

Given his support base I predict it will kick off in about 24 hours if England lose in the morning.

So have they lost yet?

Katman

4th July 2018, 08:23

So as you are now admitting you maybe said it? No it was a forum post,

Get used to it or get the fuck out of my face.

TheDemonLord

4th July 2018, 09:21

So have they lost yet?

All I'm going to say is:

Germany getting knocked out in the pool stage and England NOT loosing on Penalty shoot outs.

What bliss!

Kickaha

4th July 2018, 10:23

that's why hes in Jail.
Hes a pretty stupid dick for blatantly being in contempt of court like he was, he could have waited a week to post what the did, but he just wanted the publicity.

If he'd waited a week it wouldn't have had the same result, it was a deliberate move on his part

Katman

4th July 2018, 10:25

If he'd waited a week it wouldn't have had the same result, it was a deliberate move on his part

I'm not sure he was completely aware of the extent of his law breaking.

Throughout the live stream he did that day, you can hear him repeatedly asking the police positioned outside the court if he was allowed to film from where he was standing.

It would appear that he was under the impression that he would only be breaking the law if he stepped onto the Court property.

husaberg

4th July 2018, 21:51

If he'd waited a week it wouldn't have had the same result, it was a deliberate move on his part
he was allowed to publish and post the film of the defendants after the court case as other did.
But he was too stupid to wait until the trial concluded, he was well aware of the media ban in place at the time , for him to suggest otherwise proves hes an idiot.
No one else was live streaming the anything about the proceedings, only him. filming outside the court wasn't an issue publishing it when he did was
He knew he wasn't allowed to film inside the court though and he did that as well.

Murray

4th July 2018, 21:58

Get used to it or get the fuck out of my face.

is that a concession he was right?

husaberg

4th July 2018, 21:59

is that a concession he was right?
As close as you are ever ikely to get out of him yes.
Its only fun to post them when he actually denies it.

Get used to it or get the fuck out of my face.

There you go again confusing reality with your fantasies..........

Katman

4th July 2018, 22:01

is that a concession he was right?

Who knows Murray?

I'm waiting for him to post it in context.

husaberg

4th July 2018, 22:24

I'm not sure he was completely aware of the extent of his law breaking.

.
Really.........
his lawyer said he did
Matthew Harding, mitigating, said his client felt "deep regret" after realising the potential consequences of his actions.
He said Robinson was aware of the reporting restriction in place in the case but thought what he was saying on camera was already in the public domain

The Judge was more daming of his actions

the judge said: “No one could possibly conclude that it would be anything other than highly prejudicial to the defendants in the trial.

This is pretty stupid considering why he was charged last year.

Robinson was given a suspended sentence for committing contempt during a rape trial in Canterbury, after he attempted to film the defendants. He had been told that he would go to prison if he broke the law again.

.

Katman

4th July 2018, 22:29

Really.........
his lawyer said he did

Like I've already said, the fact that Tommy Robinson is heard repeatedly asking the police if it's ok to film from where he's standing suggests that he wasn't fully aware of the restrictions.

husaberg

4th July 2018, 22:30

Like I've already said, the fact that Tommy Robinson is heard repeatedly asking the police if it's ok to film from where he's standing suggests that he wasn't fully aware of the restrictions.
Yeah right........ yet when he did the exact same thing last year and was arrested and charged, this time he thought it might be okay.......Nice one

Last year Robinson was given a suspended sentence for committing contempt during a rape trial in Canterbury, after he attempted to film the defendants. He had been told that he would go to prison if he broke the law again.

Katman

4th July 2018, 22:37

Yeah right........ yet when he did the exact same thing last year and was arrested and charged, this time he thought it might be okay.......Nice one

Considering that numerous people were reporting on a previous similar trial in much the same manner and received no censure for it, you might just be right.

husaberg

4th July 2018, 22:46

Considering that numerous people were reporting on a previous similar trial in much the same manner and received no censure for it, you might just be right.
There you go again, while they were filming, they were not publishing the films, the details, names or faces or pictures or charges or calling them rapists. Only AKA was live streaming, but don't let that get in the way of your conspiracy story.
Like i have said he was warned he was convicted and received a suspended sentence, Yet he did it anyway, He is therefore stupid.

Katman

4th July 2018, 22:56

There you go again, while they were filming, they were not publishing the films, the details, names or faces or pictures or charges or calling them rapists.

Really?

Have you not seen the video of the Sikh reporter who was doing almost exactly the same thing outside the previous trial?

husaberg

4th July 2018, 23:00

Really?

Have you not seen the video of the Sikh reporter who was doing almost exactly the same thing outside the previous trial?

The previous trial you say now. classic katspam bait and switch.

Katman

4th July 2018, 23:02

The previous trial you say now. classic katspam bait and switch

Have another read of post #347.

(Nice edit by the way).

husaberg

4th July 2018, 23:12

Have another read of post #347.

(Nice edit by the way).
filming outside the court is not the issue plenty of real reporters were also doing this, live publishing the film and naming and calling the accused rapists is the issue.
Are you really that taken in with your latest conspiracy that you cant actually fathom that.

he was allowed to publish and post the film of the defendants after the court case as other did.
But he was too stupid to wait until the trial concluded, he was well aware of the media ban in place at the time , for him to suggest otherwise proves hes an idiot.
No one else was live streaming the anything about the proceedings, only him. filming outside the court wasn't an issue publishing it when he did was
He knew he wasn't allowed to film inside the court though and he did that as well.

There you go again, while they were filming, they were not publishing the films, the details, names or faces or pictures or charges or calling them rapists. Only AKA was live streaming, but don't let that get in the way of your conspiracy story.
Like i have said he was warned he was convicted and received a suspended sentence, Yet he did it anyway, He is therefore stupid.

unless you can prove the alleged other reporter was calling the accused rapists, live streaming, naming them and was not arrested for doing so, then went out and then done it again. exactly what do you have?

Katman

4th July 2018, 23:35

filming outside the court is not the issue plenty of real reporters were also doing this, live publishing the film and naming and calling the accused rapists is the issue.

The Sikh reporter certainly named all the accused at the trial he was covering.

And Tommy Robinson was very specific in referring to the accused as 'alleged' rapists.

husaberg

4th July 2018, 23:46

The Sikh reporter certainly named all the accused at the trial he was covering.

And Tommy Robinson was very specific in referring to the accused as 'alleged' rapists.

Wow more edited highlights again did the alleged Sikh reporter publish and then then get halled before the courts only to do it again.

lets be clear what was actually said by AKA.

n sentencing him on 26 May 2017, Judge Heather Norton said:

This is not about free speech… not about the freedom of the Press, nor about legitimate journalism, and not about political correctness. It is about justice and ensuring that a trial can be carried out justly and fairly..it’s about being innocent until proven guilty. It is about preserving the integrity of the jury to continue without people being intimidated..or being affected by irresponsible and inaccurate “reporting”, if that’s what it was.

…You made it abundantly clear that your mission was to film the defendants, who you referred to by their religion, as ‘Muslim child rapists’ and ‘Muslim paedophiles’.

…I take a very dim view of your conduct, which was in the face of repeated warnings…There are notices all over the court building making it clear that filming or taking a photograph was an offence and may be a contempt of court. You were told very clearly by the security staff at this court that you were to stop filming.

Yet although he was on a suspended sentence what did he do again................

A year later, on 25 May 2018, Robinson showed up outside Leeds Crown Court in the northern English county of Yorkshire and began broadcasting a Facebook Live video.

In the video, Robinson confronted men whom he presented as defendants in an ongoing child sexual abuse case, made it clear it was his aim to identify them and show their faces on camera, named several men and listed the purported charges against them, and in one instance encouraged the “mainstream media” to harass a man he had earlier shown on camera, as he arrived in court.

According to the Hull Daily Mail, some of the charges Robinson associated with named defendants were inaccurate. That type of factual error — broadcast to a potentially huge audience — could have serious consequences in a criminal trial. During the course of the 75-minute video, Robinson openly declared “there is a reporting restriction on this case,” acknowledged that he was already on a suspended sentence for contempt of court and said “I have to be super-careful.”

Judge Marson watched the Facebook video in court before telling Robinson:
No one could possibly conclude that it [the video] would be anything other than highly prejudicial to the defendants in the trial. I respect everyone’s right to free speech. That’s one of the most important rights that we have. With those rights come responsibilities. The responsibility to exercise that freedom of speech within the law. I am not sure you appreciate the potential consequence of what you have done.

…You have to understand we are not preventing publication. We are postponing publication to ensure that the trial is fair.

Kickaha

5th July 2018, 08:53

But he was too stupid to wait until the trial concluded, he was well aware of the media ban in place at the time , for him to suggest otherwise proves hes an idiot.

If his main aim was publicity which he got shitloads more than he would of if he hadn't been arrested then he wasn't stupid at all

Katman

5th July 2018, 08:58

If his main aim was publicity which he got shitloads more than he would of if he hadn't been arrested then he wasn't stupid at all

I'm sure his main aim was publicity - although not for himself but rather for the cause that he's protesting about.

I'm still not sure he was fully aware of the level of censure that he stood to receive though.

I don't really think Tommy Robinson was planning to offer himself up to Martyrdom.

pritch

5th July 2018, 09:46

In case anybody is tired of uninformed drivel and would like a rational, dispassionate, and informed, appraisal of the situation? OK I kniow it's KB but...

http://barristerblogger.com/2018/07/04/tommy-robinsons-appeal-will-his-world-class-legal-team-get-him-out-of-prison/#more-2627

Katman

5th July 2018, 09:50

http://barristerblogger.com/2018/07/04/tommy-robinsons-appeal-will-his-world-class-legal-team-get-him-out-of-prison/#more-2627

Well I suppose it beats a Mills and Boon story.

husaberg

5th July 2018, 21:11

If his main aim was publicity which he got shitloads more than he would of if he hadn't been arrested then he wasn't stupid at all

Don't you go offering up him as a martyr, its bad enough seesing Katspams posts worshiping him, the AKA is a bit thick.
AKA's turned it into being about himself rather then the sexual abuse of hundreds of kids, they are the victims.
What he did was nothing to do with the victims, if you listen to the victims they don't want a bar of AKA or his hate speech.

In case anybody is tired of uninformed drivel and would like a rational, dispassionate, and informed, appraisal of the situation? OK I kniow it's KB but...

http://barristerblogger.com/2018/07/04/tommy-robinsons-appeal-will-his-world-class-legal-team-get-him-out-of-prison/#more-2627

Nice link so Tommy is not appealing the decision only the length of the sentence yet hes still trying to raise funds "for his family".......

Katman

5th July 2018, 22:52

http://barristerblogger.com/2018/07/04/tommy-robinsons-appeal-will-his-world-class-legal-team-get-him-out-of-prison/#more-2627

Interestingly, the Pump Court Chambers website describes Matthew Scott on his profile page as "A specialist criminal advocate with considerable expertise in defending allegations of rape and child cruelty".

Now with all due respect to Matthew Scott, I'm well aware that even the most vicious of criminals have the right to a defence counsel, but it does give an insight into the level of contempt that he obviously has for Tommy Robinson.

Matthew Scott probably wishes he had been in that court that day defending those 'alleged' rapists.

husaberg

5th July 2018, 23:07

Interestingly, the Pump Court Chambers website describes Matthew Scott on his profile page as "A specialist criminal advocate with considerable expertise in defending allegations of rape and child cruelty".

Now with all due respect to Matthew Scott, I'm well aware that even the most vicious of criminals have the right to a defence council, but it gives an insight into the level of contempt that he obviously has for Tommy Robinson.

Matthew Scott probably wishes he had been in that court that day defending the 'alleged' rapists.
How the heck would you even think you could think you know what a legal professional wished.
AKA on the other hand was found to be in contempt of court by two judges that found him to be in contempt of court on two separate occasions.

I note off the website you posted
http://www.pumpcourtchambers.com/people/barrister/matthew-scott

Matthew specialises in serious crime, including murder, serious sexual and violent offences, offences against children as well as cases involving drugs and fraud. In the past year Matthew has defended successfully in a number of serious cases tried at Crown Courts in the South of England. Matthew is a specialist rape prosecutor

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</article>

Berries

5th July 2018, 23:43

So have they lost yet?
Postponed until Sunday morning according to a source.

Katman

5th July 2018, 23:43

Having just finished wading through the comments at the end of the article, I can say that they make just as interesting reading as the article itself.

And considering the time and effort Matthew Scott appears to have put into his hatchet job on Tommy Robinson, he's certainly not very forthcoming in his replies to some very pertinent questions - particularly those from a certain Mr B J Mann.

(Rather an unfortunate name if it's not a pseudonym, but at least it should get our resident Berk all lathered up again).

Katman

5th July 2018, 23:44

Postponed until Sunday morning according to a source.

I might even get up and watch.

Kickaha

6th July 2018, 07:56

I'm sure his main aim was publicity - although not for himself but rather for the cause that he's protesting about.

I'm still not sure he was fully aware of the level of censure that he stood to receive though.

I don't really think Tommy Robinson was planning to offer himself up to Martyrdom.

I think that was exactly his intention, the level of publicity he has achieved through going to jail is far in excess of anything he would have got otherwise

Katman

6th July 2018, 08:03

I think that was exactly his intention, the level of publicity he has achieved through going to jail is far in excess of anything he would have got otherwise

Simply going to jail isn't the level of Martyrdom I'm talking about though.

Kickaha

6th July 2018, 10:24

Simply going to jail isn't the level of Martyrdom I'm talking about though.

It's unlikely but not impossible anything will happen to him over and above going to jail, given the backlash that would occur it's in the authorities best interests to keep him safe

Katman

6th July 2018, 10:31

It's unlikely but not impossible anything will happen to him over and above going to jail, given the backlash that would occur it's in the authorities best interests to keep him safe

I think they realise that now.

That possibly wasn't the case when he was initially sentenced to this particular term of imprisonment though.

pritch

6th July 2018, 11:51

The Daily Mirror reports that the "Justice for Tommy Robinson" protest has been scrapped by the organisers because it clashes with England's World Cup game.

It seems that "justice" will just have to wait. :killingme:

Katman

6th July 2018, 12:07

The Daily Mirror reports....

:killingme

pritch

6th July 2018, 17:38

:killingme

Yeah, none of the serious press give much of a fuck about him, so he's tabloid fodder.

By all means post on here if the organisers decide to compete with an England World Cup match. As thick as they may be, you're outdoing them handsomely. May I suggest you actually think before you post?
Radical I know but...

husaberg

6th July 2018, 18:18

I think they realise that now.

That possibly wasn't the case when he was initially sentenced to this particular term of imprisonment though.
Really, that's what you think was the case? even though on the last two occasions when he was imprisoned, he was not placed in the general population for his own safety.
You have proven yourself to be rather lacking in common sense regarding maters which you offer an opinion about.

Katman

6th July 2018, 18:26

Yeah, none of the serious press give much of a fuck about him, so he's tabloid fodder.

You've always struck me as a Daily Mirror type.

Katman

6th July 2018, 19:58

Really, that's what you think was the case?

Did you notice the word 'possibly' in the post you've quoted?

husaberg

6th July 2018, 20:20

Did you notice the word 'possibly' in the post you've quoted?
Yip
Only it wasn't even really a remote possibility at all now was it.
When you actually consider, as i have repeated that at least three times now, He was placed outside of the general population for his own protection at least the last two times he was incarcerated. Probably every time he was imprisoned.
But don't let mere facts get in the way of your ill informed conspiracy driven opinion.

BuzzardNZ

6th July 2018, 20:31

Yip
Only it wasn't even really a remote possibility at all now was it.
When you actually consider, as i have repeated that at least three times now, He was placed outside of the general population for his own protection at least the last two times he was incarcerated. Probably every time he was imprisoned.
But don't let mere facts get in the way of your ill informed conspiracy driven opinion.

If only you were banned instead of Axe, the site would be so much better :bye:

husaberg

6th July 2018, 20:45

If only you were banned instead of Axe, the site would be so much better :bye:
Awe thats so sweet that you miss your favourite troll buddy, But if you were not on the site, would anyone ever notice..........or even care.
Maybe you should find out where he is now and join him.

pritch

6th July 2018, 21:20

You've always struck me as a Daily Mirror type.

That's another example of your flawed logic.

jasonu

7th July 2018, 01:20

Yeah, none of the serious press give much of a fuck about him, so he's Herald fodder which is where I get all my political intel from.

By all means post on here if the organisers decide to compete with an England World Cup match. As thick as they may be, you're outdoing them handsomely. May I suggest you actually think before you post?
Radical I know but...

Fixed it for you.

pritch

7th July 2018, 09:08

Fixed it for you.

Nice try. Being free of the requirement to toil for money I spend far too much time reading a variety of papers and websites from several different countries as well as listening to podcasts. Once when recovering from surgery I even spent considerable time watching Fox News so I am well acquainted with how blatantly dishonest they are. Although they have actually deteriorated of late. Currently the only paper I pay for is the Washington Post.

It might seem odd, but I quite possibly know more about the American political system and constitution than a lot of yanks. Almost certainly more than anyone silly enough to vote for Trump.

Actually that's a bit harsh. There are generally two kinds of people voted for Trump: billionaires and fuckwits. It's not hard to tell where you fit in, just check your bank balance.

Katman

12th July 2018, 10:16

Given his support base I predict it will kick off in about 24 hours if England lose in the morning.

So kick off this Saturday then?

Berries

1st August 2018, 23:11

Phew, he didn't get deaded.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-45029755

Katman

1st August 2018, 23:33

Phew, he didn't get deaded.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-45029755

Pritch will be disappoint.

Katman

2nd August 2018, 10:18

And our resident total utter moron must have slept in.

I was expecting two or three pages of multi-quotes, copy and pastes, and screeds of pidgin English by about now.

Laava

2nd August 2018, 14:35

And our resident total utter moron must have slept in.

I was expecting two or three pages of multi-quotes, copy and pastes, and screeds of pidgin English by about now.

But look how much you are missing him. It's not fucking Tinder you know!

pritch

2nd August 2018, 14:38

Pritch will be disappoint.

Nah, so far he's only out on bail and the original sentence stands. He could get locked up again but that might need a brave judge.

I particularly admire the way he claims to be a working class lad while wearing a $20,000 diamond studded Rolex.

husaberg

2nd August 2018, 15:09

Nah, so far he's only out on bail and the original sentence stands. He could get locked up again but that might need a brave judge.

I particularly admire the way he claims to be a working class lad while wearing a $20,000 diamond studded Rolex.
Exactly hes out on bail pending a retrial, exactly as a justice system should work.
If he is given a suspended sentence, or if his charges are quashed, personally i couldn't give a monkeys, the courts can decide his guilt or innocence.
The only issue his supporters will have is if he is found guilty again or sentenced to jail again.
The first seems highly likely as he plead guilty the first time....

Katman

2nd August 2018, 15:49

Exactly hes out on bail pending a retrial, exactly as a justice system should work.

Well it obviously didn't work the way it should the last time, did it? :weird:

Katman

2nd August 2018, 16:24

I particularly admire the way he claims to be a working class lad while wearing a $20,000 diamond studded Rolex.

Really? Have you got a link for that little gem?

(Excuse the pun).

pritch

2nd August 2018, 18:36

Really? Have you got a link for that little gem?

(Excuse the pun).

It was a photo on a news/social media site, it quoted the model Rolex. Despite what you may think or have read here, I see a lot of news sites in a day and the thought that you may like to read one too doesn't cross my mind.

If I see the pic again I'll post it here.

Katman

2nd August 2018, 18:58

It was a photo on a news/social media site, it quoted the model Rolex.

Let me guess......Daily Mirror?

husaberg

2nd August 2018, 19:18

Well it obviously didn't work the way it should the last time, did it? :weird:
You really don't understand the court system do you.
He plead Guilty at the hearing, Even yokel would understand if you plead guilty you just get sentenced, not a trial.:lol:

Katman

2nd August 2018, 19:22

You really don't understand the court system do you.

I actually have a fairly good understanding of the court system.

If the Judge had got Tommy Robinson's sentence right, the Appeal Judges would have let the verdict stand.

Do you understand that?

husaberg

2nd August 2018, 19:46

I actually have a fairly good understanding of the court system.

If the Judge had got Tommy Robinson's sentence right, the Appeal Judges would have let the verdict stand.

Do you understand that?

You clearly don't otherwise you never would have made your initial remark, now would you, unless you wished to appear to be stupid, In which case, well done..............
He plead guilty there is only one verdict to be arrived at.....

husaberg

2nd August 2018, 20:10

Which 'initial remark' would that be, shitforbrains?
You like to try and convince people you are smart go figure it out yourself why a guy that pleaded guilty was not given a trial in the first place and how the verdict could be anything other than guilty when someone pleads Guilty.

Katman

2nd August 2018, 20:13

You like to try and convince people you are smart go figure it out yourself why a guy that pleaded guilty was not given a trial in the first place and how the verdict could be anything other than guilty when someone pleads Guilty.

I assume the Appeal Judges have a better understanding of Tommy Robinson's trial than you do.

husaberg

3rd August 2018, 00:29

I assume the Appeal Judges have a better understanding of Tommy Robinson's trial than you do.
I think everyone uderstands the judicial system better then you do.
Maybe you should read the ruling if you read it you would see they identified a procedural error and agreed to rehear it based on this.
His lawyers also appealed the length of the sentence.
None of that changed the fact Tommy plead guilty which was why he was found guilty in the first place.
For all we know the Lawyers based Tommy appeal on diminished capacity. As they said he was confused and didn't understand the charges.
I understand you get off infractions the same way on KB.

jasonu

3rd August 2018, 02:26

Let me guess......Daily Mirror?

Herald...
Maybe he inherited it or maybe it is a Mexican roller worth fuck all.

yokel

3rd August 2018, 06:34

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1333069070162477&id=381971441938916

TheDemonLord

3rd August 2018, 10:58

pritch

3rd August 2018, 11:14

If the Judge had got Tommy Robinson's sentence right, the Appeal Judges would have let the verdict stand.

Wrong! it has nothing to do with that. Your understanding is rather less than you think. Although that hardly comes as a surprise.

Katman

3rd August 2018, 11:29

Wrong! it has nothing to do with that. Your understanding is rather less than you think. Although that hardly comes as a surprise.

Fair enough, I'll amend that to.....

If the Judge had followed correct procedure in the Leeds hearing, the Appeal Judges would have let the verdict stand.

husaberg

3rd August 2018, 12:05

Imma Leave this here:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/yaxley-lennon-full-judgment-1.pdf

On the one hand - I'm pleased that the UK court of Appeal is working as it should - on some level, the checks and balances that safeguard the potential tyranny of the courts are in fact working.

And yet I can't help but be reminded of the long history of civilizations that start to use the courts to deal with those who are politically 'undesirable'
Which is what i said , as it shows the judical system works but Katspaman took umbrage with that, but for the second part Its rather more civilized for them use the courts process rather the gulag and concentration camp gas chambers method. Which is ironic considering its actually Katspamans idols preferred method of getting rid of political undesirables.

Katman

3rd August 2018, 12:09

Which is what i said , as it shows the judical system works but Katspaman took umbrage with that,

Did the judicial system 'work' at the Leeds hearing?

TheDemonLord

3rd August 2018, 14:35

but for the second part Its rather more civilized for them use the courts process rather the gulag and concentration camp gas chambers method.

No.

Period.

And this is the part that really irks me about the case.

It doesn't matter how 'civilized' you try and dress it up as - that line should NEVER be crossed.

husaberg

3rd August 2018, 17:27

No.

Period.

And this is the part that really irks me about the case.

It doesn't matter how 'civilized' you try and dress it up as - that line should NEVER be crossed.
Don't getting sucked in by the AKA propaganda and try and turn AKA case into a case of free speech.
I think you need to keep in mind AKA was charged and sentenced and plead guilty with contempt of court not really anything to do with his politics per say.
He was charged and pleady guilty to breaching a court order relating to his actions in filming and broadcasting the events and witnesses. Including at one time in the court.
AFAIK all his other arrests and sentences have been to do with dishonesty assault and fraud.

carbonhed

4th August 2018, 13:19

Tommy Robinson says he didn't plead guilty..............

https://youtu.be/mdZZD89ucoI

husaberg

4th August 2018, 13:55

Tommy Robinson says he didn't plead guilty..............

https://youtu.be/mdZZD89ucoI

Diminished capacity they read out the charges to a person before they plead
Note no mention of the filming and the fact he was already on a suspended sentence for breaching a court order.

Katman

4th August 2018, 13:55

Tommy Robinson says he didn't plead guilty..............

But how can that be?

Someone here has been telling us all along that that's exactly what he did do.

:scratch:

husaberg

4th August 2018, 14:51

But how can that be?

Someone here has been telling us all along that that's exactly what he did do.

:scratch:
Someone is the whole world other than Tommy.
The court records reflect his guilty plea
The apeal to the crown never mentioned this
AKA has many convictions for Fraud.
AKA also never mentioned be was found in contempt for filming and broadcasting
SOmething he was already found guilty and given a suspended sentenced for and warned about.

judges did not say Robinson had not committed contempt of court, and accused him of delaying the appeals “for tactical reasons and collateral advantage”.
They dismissed calls to quash findings that he committed contempt at Canterbury Crown Court in May 2017, saying criticism by Robinson’s legal team “had no substance”.

At the Leeds hearing it is reported that the judge viewed "the video footage" - LeedsLive 29th May. According to the Yorkshire Evening Post 29th May 2018, Mr Robinson expressed "deep regret" and thought that what he was saying was already in the public domain.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/coc-yaxley-lennon-20170522.pdf

Katman

4th August 2018, 16:45

The court records reflect his guilty plea

Perhaps you could point out exactly where in those court records Tommy Robinson says "guilty, your Honour".

husaberg

4th August 2018, 18:15

Perhaps you could point out exactly where in those court records Tommy Robinson says "guilty, your Honour".

thats the first trial verdict. dipshit
In th etext is where it states what would happen if he filmed again.

carbonhed

4th August 2018, 18:17

ehere what would happen if he filmed again would happen.

Translation please?

husaberg

4th August 2018, 18:20

Translation please?

Swedish and single malt

carbonhed

4th August 2018, 18:39

Swedish and single malt

Posting whilst pissed.... I sympathise.

husaberg

4th August 2018, 18:49

Posting whilst pissed.... I sympathise.
Not yet..........

carbonhed

4th August 2018, 18:57

Not yet..........

Ketchup :-)

husaberg

4th August 2018, 19:07

Ketchup :-)

Bloody Mary?

Katman

5th August 2018, 09:28

thats the first trial verdict. dipshit

How about you show us exactly where in the Leeds Court transcript Tommy Robinson says "guilty, your Honour".

husaberg

5th August 2018, 13:08

How about you show us exactly where in the Leeds Court transcript Tommy Robinson says "guilty, your Honour".

Or you could show the full transcipt where he doesn't then.

Katman

5th August 2018, 13:18

Or you could show the full transcipt where he doesn't then.

I'm not the one who has repeatedly claimed that Tommy Robinson pleaded guilty.

husaberg

5th August 2018, 15:44

I'm not the one who has repeatedly claimed that Tommy Robinson pleaded guilty.

Tommy Robinson is not in any court documents i do not know why you keep insisting on using a pseudonym.
AKA plead guilty to contempt apologized and was given a suspended sentence, he then went on to commit the same offence.
At that time the original sentence was invoked along with a further sentence for being in contempt again.
None of the court documents in the appeal mention he was not given the chance to plead. only he didn't understand the ramifications and he didn't have time to make a case.
the only evidence you have that he did not plead guilty is a interview with AKA where he failed to mention why he was imprisoned and made it out to be an other issue.
Not once did he mention he was brodcasting a live feed of a court case with a media black out.
This is a guy that has about 3 convictions for fraud.
Complained he was in solitary confinement when it was people such as you insisted he would be to protect him.
He complained about the wardens not playing snooker with him.

Katman

5th August 2018, 16:14

the only evidence you have that he did not plead guilty is a interview with AKA.

Whereas you haven't provided any proof whatsoever that Tommy Robinson (or whatever you want to call him) pleaded guilty.

husaberg

5th August 2018, 17:51

Whereas you haven't provided any proof whatsoever that Tommy Robinson (or whatever you want to call him) pleaded guilty.
What i want to call him, Tommy is what you persist in calling him,. its an alias he has many of them.
the courts call him Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon
Yet his guilty plea has been mentioned thousands of times by hundreds of sources. including his lawyers.
But of course you would trust Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon over hundreds of other that dont have multiple fraud convictions.
Out of interest do you belive he was telling the whole truth in his interview?

Katman

5th August 2018, 17:53

Yets Its been mentioned thousands of times by hundreds of sources that he did. including his lawyers.

Show us then.

Let's see what you believe constitutes 'proof'.

Katman

5th August 2018, 18:56

Out of interest do you belive he was telling the whole truth in his interview?

He'd have to be pretty stupid to claim something that could easily be refuted - simply by producing a court transcript where he says "guilty your Honour".

husaberg

5th August 2018, 19:41

He'd have to be pretty stupid to claim something that could easily be refuted - simply by producing a court transcript where he says "guilty your Honour".
No one can produce the transcripts as they have not been released.
Yeah right hes super bright

HER HONOUR JUDGE NORTON

There will be no conditions that need to be attached to that suspended sentence, but you should be under no illusions that if you commit any further offence of any kind, and that would include, I would have thought a further contempt of court by similar actions, then that sentence of three months would be activated, and that would be on top of anything else that you were given by any other court.
I would have thought a further contempt of court by similar actions, then that sentence of three months would be activated, and that would be on top ofanything else that you were given by any other court.In short, Mr. Yaxley-Lennon, turn up at another court,refer to people as "Muslim paedophiles, Muslim rapists" and so on and so forth while trials are ongoing and before there has been a finding by a jury that that is what they are, and you will find yourself inside. Do you understand?

Katman

5th August 2018, 22:22

No one can produce the transcripts as they have not been released.

So what exactly are you basing your belief that Tommy Robinson pleaded guilty on?

Voltaire

6th August 2018, 07:11

Tommy Robinson complains he was 'mentally tortured' because he had no TV in prison

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tommy-robinson-prison-free-mentally-tortured-no-tv-edl-far-right-a8477096.html

Apparently he was offered Kiwibiker to read but turned it down.:laugh:

TheDemonLord

6th August 2018, 09:00

Don't getting sucked in by the AKA propaganda and try and turn AKA case into a case of free speech.
I think you need to keep in mind AKA was charged and sentenced and plead guilty with contempt of court not really anything to do with his politics per say.
He was charged and pleady guilty to breaching a court order relating to his actions in filming and broadcasting the events and witnesses. Including at one time in the court.
AFAIK all his other arrests and sentences have been to do with dishonesty assault and fraud.

You don't get it.

It doesn't matter if it's court process or Gulags. You do not use the tyranny of the state to advance an ideological end.

Think of it this way - I can't stand Holocaust denial (you are well aware of this, as is Katman) and I'll have that argument any day of the week - but I will never agree with Holocaust Denial laws.

Not for any love of the people who it grants freedom to, but because there is a deep, underlying principle that I will not compromise on.

You may not like Tommy, that's fair - he's a divisive character. But remember this, his freedoms are your freedoms and if the Government is able to tread on his - what stops them treading on yours?

husaberg

6th August 2018, 11:24

You don't get it.

It doesn't matter if it's court process or Gulags. You do not use the tyranny of the state to advance an ideological end.

Think of it this way - I can't stand Holocaust denial (you are well aware of this, as is Katman) and I'll have that argument any day of the week - but I will never agree with Holocaust Denial laws.

Not for any love of the people who it grants freedom to, but because there is a deep, underlying principle that I will not compromise on.

You may not like Tommy, that's fair - he's a divisive character. But remember this, his freedoms are your freedoms and if the Government is able to tread on his - what stops them treading on yours?

Free speech is not the same as hate speech.
Hate speech is designed to spread racial religious or sexist etc hate through stereotypes and falsehoods and denial.
AKA is a character created to make someone money while pushing racial propaganda messages.
Its okay to make remarks about indiividuals but it is not okay to define a whole race because of the deeds of a few.
People should be censored if they persist in spreading demonstratively false information

Katman

6th August 2018, 12:10

People should be censored if they persist in spreading demonstratively false information

So how about you list some of the things that Tommy Robinson has said that is 'demonstratively false information'.

TheDemonLord

6th August 2018, 13:12

Free speech is not the same as hate speech.
Hate speech is designed to spread racial religious or sexist etc hate through stereotypes and falsehoods and denial.
AKA is a character created to make someone money while pushing racial propaganda messages.
Its okay to make remarks about indiividuals but it is not okay to define a whole race because of the deeds of a few.
People should be censored if they persist in spreading demonstratively false information

That pre-supposes many things about Hate Speech - I draw the line at incitement to Violence - everything before that, is fair game. And I've not yet heard Tommy call for physical violence against Islam.

Here's the question though - let's assume that Tommy has spread demonstrably false information about Islam. You still have to contend with the actions of Islam. And this is where the implied claim that Tommy is just a raving crackpot breaks down somewhat.

Then you have to contend with something else - Tommy has on multiple occasions happily talked with people who are Muslims - notably Maajid Nawaaz - not the actions of the person you are characterizing him as.

husaberg

6th August 2018, 13:45

That pre-supposes many things about Hate Speech - I draw the line at incitement to Violence - everything before that, is fair game. And I've not yet heard Tommy call for physical violence against Islam.

Here's the question though - let's assume that Tommy has spread demonstrably false information about Islam. You still have to contend with the actions of Islam. And this is where the implied claim that Tommy is just a raving crackpot breaks down somewhat.

Then you have to contend with something else - Tommy has on multiple occasions happily talked with people who are Muslims - notably Maajid Nawaaz - not the actions of the person you are characterizing him as.

blather.

What i said stands.
Hate sppeeech is not free Speech
AKA talking to a Musli does not prove he is not a racist.
Do you remember the pictures of KKK members with Black people.
As soon a some say |"i cant be a racist as i blah blah with a black person" etc its pretty obvious.

TheDemonLord

6th August 2018, 15:29

blather.

What i said stands.

It really doesn't.

Hate sppeeech is not free Speech

That presupposes a number of things that I don't agree with. Furthermore, it's merely an assertion - you've got to prove objectively what is hate and furthermore provide a distinction between passionate critique and hate.

AKA talking to a Musli does not prove he is not a racist.
Do you remember the pictures of KKK members with Black people.
As soon a some say |"i cant be a racist as i blah blah with a black person" etc its pretty obvious.

Islam isn't a race.

The point is that it isn't a blind hatred of ALL Muslims. If you actually listen to Tommy and take his speech in the manner it is intended, forgiving his working class mannerisms and habits, then you realize his critique is that within Islam, there are parts that are fundamentally incompatible with Western democracy. There are moderate Muslims (such as Maajid) who don't hold to these parts of the Qu'ran, but there are also Muslims who DO hold to these parts of the Qu'ran and do so specifically because they believe it to be the divine word of Allah.

To put it another way - When ISIS throw gay people off of tall buildings to murder them, they do so in line with their religious teachings.

husaberg

6th August 2018, 17:09

It really doesn't.

That presupposes a number of things that I don't agree with. Furthermore, it's merely an assertion - you've got to prove objectively what is hate and furthermore provide a distinction between passionate critique and hate.

Islam isn't a race.

The point is that it isn't a blind hatred of ALL Muslims. If you actually listen to Tommy and take his speech in the manner it is intended, forgiving his working class mannerisms and habits, then you realize his critique is that within Islam, there are parts that are fundamentally incompatible with Western democracy. There are moderate Muslims (such as Maajid) who don't hold to these parts of the Qu'ran, but there are also Muslims who DO hold to these parts of the Qu'ran and do so specifically because they believe it to be the divine word of Allah.

To put it another way - When ISIS throw gay people off of tall buildings to murder them, they do so in line with their religious teachings.
More Blather the acts of a minority can not be blamed on the acts of a few.
When the IRA used bombs was that in line with catholic beliefs. Werte all catholics blamed.
Did the world blame all Germans and Japanese for the acts a of a few.
Did all Japanese people blame all of America of the atomic bomb.

TheDemonLord

6th August 2018, 20:25

More Blather the acts of a minority can not be blamed on the acts of a few.
When the IRA used bombs was that in line with catholic beliefs. Werte all catholics blamed.
Did the world blame all Germans and Japanese for the acts a of a few.
Did all Japanese people blame all of America of the atomic bomb.

Except those are all a false equivalance.

The bible is pretty clear on this: "Thou shalt not Kill"
The American constitution says nothing about Nuking Japan, I don't speak German fluently enough to understand German Legal texts - but I'll hazard a guess that there's nothing about explicitly allowing Genocide.
The Qu'ran however, does explicitly allow for the waging of Holy War, killing of infidels, charging non-believers with protection money, the taking of slaves etc.

And therein lies the difference.

husaberg

6th August 2018, 21:08

Except those are all a false equivalance.

The bible is pretty clear on this: "Thou shalt not Kill"
The American constitution says nothing about Nuking Japan, I don't speak German fluently enough to understand German Legal texts - but I'll hazard a guess that there's nothing about explicitly allowing Genocide.
The Qu'ran however, does explicitly allow for the waging of Holy War, killing of infidels, charging non-believers with protection money, the taking of slaves etc.
I see you miss the point where a whole country doesnt blame all people from other cultures due to the deeds as a few.

And therein lies the difference.
The only difference is you dont know what you are talking about.
So you are an expert on the bible really maybe you should actually read it before spouting your normal crap
False really or inconvient truths that don't suit your agenda.
No difference really at all unless being a christian obliges you to kill gay people make war on Eygpt or drive the arabs out of Israel.
Ever wondered what an eye for an eye actually means.
Do what ever the church leaders say Check

For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
Is it okay to storm the middle east and cast out the inhabitants Check

“I will stir up Egyptian against Egyptian— brother will fight against brother, neighbor against neighbor, city against city, kingdom against kingdom.
They will stumble repeatedly; they will fall over each other. They will say, ‘Get up, let us go back to our own people and our native lands, away from the sword of the oppressor.’

I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

They will stumble repeatedly; they will fall over each other. They will say, ‘Get up, let us go back to our own people and our native lands, away from the sword of the oppressor.’

Proclaim this among the nations: Prepare for war! Rouse the warriors! Let all the fighting men draw near and attack.

“You are my war club, my weapon for battle— with you I shatter nations, with you I destroy kingdoms,
Pretty much anything as the lord is with you regardless

Together they will be like warriors in battle trampling their enemy into the mud of the streets. They will fight because the LORD is with them, and they will put the enemy horsemen to shame.
Sound familar only thing missing is the 18 virgins

Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called Okay to go Killing Gays Check

‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

TheDemonLord

6th August 2018, 21:26

SO you are an expert on the bible really maybe you should actually read it before spouting your normal crap
False really or inconvient truths that don't suit your agenda.
No difference really at all unless being a christian obliges you to kill gay people make war on Eygpt or drive the arabs out of Israel.
Ever wondered what an eye for an eye actaully means.

SOund familar

Both from the old testament - superceded by the new testament.

It's the same reason Christians can eat Pork, Shellfish and wear clothes of 2 fibres.

husaberg

6th August 2018, 21:41

Both from the old testament - superceded by the new testament.

It's the same reason Christians can eat Pork, Shellfish and wear clothes of 2 fibres.

Only inconvient for that you said the bible.

The bible is pretty clear on this: "Thou shalt not Kill"
So suck it up you are clearly wrong.
PS half my quotes are from the new testiment anyway idiot.Thus when you said this you were wrong wrong wrong.........

The Qu'ran however, does explicitly allow for the waging of Holy War, killing of infidels, charging non-believers with protection money, the taking of slaves etc.
I see you miss the point where a whole country doesnt blame all people from other cultures due to the deeds as a few.

And therein lies the difference.
Do what ever the church leaders say Check

For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
Is it okay to storm the middle east and cast out the inhabitants Check

“I will stir up Egyptian against Egyptian— brother will fight against brother, neighbor against neighbor, city against city, kingdom against kingdom.
They will stumble repeatedly; they will fall over each other. They will say, ‘Get up, let us go back to our own people and our native lands, away from the sword of the oppressor.’

I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.

They will stumble repeatedly; they will fall over each other. They will say, ‘Get up, let us go back to our own people and our native lands, away from the sword of the oppressor.’

Proclaim this among the nations: Prepare for war! Rouse the warriors! Let all the fighting men draw near and attack.

“You are my war club, my weapon for battle— with you I shatter nations, with you I destroy kingdoms,
Pretty much anything as the lord is with you regardless

Together they will be like warriors in battle trampling their enemy into the mud of the streets. They will fight because the LORD is with them, and they will put the enemy horsemen to shame.
Sound familar only thing missing is the 18 virgins

Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called Okay to go Killing Gays Check

‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Not only that you are takling a small minority fundlemental interpretion of the Qu'ran that only a zelous few share.

TheDemonLord

6th August 2018, 22:02

Only inconvient for that you said the bible.

So suck it up you are clearly wrong.
PS half my quotes are from the new testiment anyway idiot.Thus when you said this you were wrong wrong wrong.........

Do what ever the church leaders say Check

Is it okay to storm the middle east and cast out the inhabitants Check

Pretty much anything as the lord is with you regardless

Sound familar only thing missing is the 18 virgins
Okay to go Killing Gays Check

Not only that you are takling a small minority fundlemental interpretion of the Qu'ran that only a zelous few share.

There is so much false equivalency it's hard to keep track.

1: A Book is read front to back - thus things later on in the book can supercede that which was previously stated.
2: Half of what you have quoted is part Metaphor or part of a divinely ordained action - it's not for Man to undertake directly
3: All of the books draw a distinction between Capital Punishment, War and Murder - the difference is that the Qu'ran says it's okay to kill Kafir.

husaberg

6th August 2018, 22:57

There is so much false equivalency it's hard to keep track.

You are dreaming, you said something stupid, you got called on it, own it.
You said the qu'ran says this but its not in the bible, but it so clearly is.

there are parts that are fundamentally incompatible with Western democracy. There are moderate Muslims (such as Maajid) who don't hold to these parts of the Qu'ran, but there are also Muslims who DO hold to these parts of the Qu'ran and do so specifically because they believe it to be the divine word of Allah.

The bible is pretty clear on this: "Thou shalt not Kill"
The Qu'ran however, does explicitly allow for the waging of Holy War, killing of infidels, charging non-believers with protection money, the taking of slaves etc.
And therein lies the difference.

The bible says do what ever the church leaders say Check

For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
The bible also says Is it okay to storm the middle east and cast out the inhabitants Check

“I will stir up Egyptian against Egyptian— brother will fight against brother, neighbor against neighbor, city against city, kingdom against kingdom.
They will stumble repeatedly; they will fall over each other. They will say, ‘Get up, let us go back to our own people and our native lands, away from the sword of the oppressor.’
Rape and pillage is okay in a holy war

I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
holy war aok

They will stumble repeatedly; they will fall over each other. They will say, ‘Get up, let us go back to our own people and our native lands, away from the sword of the oppressor.’

Proclaim this among the nations: Prepare for war! Rouse the warriors! Let all the fighting men draw near and attack.

“You are my war club, my weapon for battle— with you I shatter nations, with you I destroy kingdoms,
Pretty much anything as the lord is with you regardless

Together they will be like warriors in battle trampling their enemy into the mud of the streets. They will fight because the LORD is with them, and they will put the enemy horsemen to shame.
Guess what else the bible says does this Sound familar only thing missing is the 18 virgins

Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called

To put it another way - When ISIS throw gay people off of tall buildings to murder them, they do so in line with their religious teachings.
No the bible also says its Okay to go Killing Gays also.

‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

So you can say its a false equiventcy all you want but it says exactly what you said it did not say.
The thing is people in moden day western generally do noy apply a literal interpretation to the bible as do most westenised followers of Islam
That is not to say there is not idiots out there but they are idiots on both sides AKA is just as dangerous its just you find what he has to say palatable

Katman

7th August 2018, 08:56

This is an interesting read and encompasses the recent cancelling of the Southern/Molyneux presentation.

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/how-the-left-made-tommy-robinson/21653#.W2i0PVUzaM_

Now before anyone jumps up and down accusing me of Islamophobia, I would be vocally critical of any religion that was actively being thrust upon society regardless of it's inherent faults.

oldrider

7th September 2018, 07:56

Google answered the question thus:- https://talpiottalk.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/tommy-counter-terrorism_industry_network.jpg

scott411

20th October 2018, 06:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6294939/Huddersfield-Asian-sex-gang-jailed-200-years.html

After they were found guilty , their names have been released , and the explanation of why the gag orders that Tommy was breaking where in place ,

husaberg

4th December 2018, 18:57

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dH4hmTovLg

Another fail from AKA
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/30/uk/tommy-robinson-syrian-refugee-gbr-intl-scli/index.html.

Robinson made allegations against the teenager Wednesday and Thursday in a number of Facebook and YouTube videos. By Friday, he had deleted the videos and admitted to posting a fake photograph purporting to show violence by a Muslim gang.
In a video posted on Facebook on Friday, Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, admitted to making a false claim.

pritch

4th December 2018, 20:40

That Huddersfield school drama was a shocker. The refugee kid was wearing a cast on his arm because the same kid had beaten him up and injured him previously. His sister had also been attacked. These kids are refugees having escaped a dire situation in their homeland only to be confronted by a violent shithead thug. The attacker was not radicalised by Tommy Robinson, his parents are of that same nasty clueless ilk.

The school were fucking useless, had basically said there was nothing they could do. Robinson posted a silly twisted version of events blaming muslims, but which, of course, had no connection with reality.

The school staff may have to answer to the education authorities, the bully has been charged by the police, and Robinson withdrew his idiotic take on proceedings but is now facing legal action.

Last I looked neither refugee kid wanted to go back to that school but they now have enough cash so as to have options.

pritch

8th December 2018, 09:17

It's reported that Nigel Farage has quit UKIP because he cannot stand their current obsession with Tommy Robinson.

In other news Milo Yiannopoulos who is in debt to the tune of a couple of million quid had started a Patreon account to ease his financial burden. Patreon have cancelled his account as they will not support hate groups. This decision has also effected some other Internet purveyors of anti-muslim and similar views. My heart bleeds...

TheDemonLord

8th December 2018, 19:54

pritch

9th December 2018, 08:49

But you should be careful in how loudly you celebrate, lest you find yourself next against the wall...

Into the recreational chemicals were we?

This from the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/07/tommy-robinson-global-support-brexit-march

TheDemonLord

10th December 2018, 08:01

Into the recreational chemicals were we?

This from the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/07/tommy-robinson-global-support-brexit-march

Oh My God!

a Whole 600 Twitter accounts MIGHT be link to Russia?!!?! And they Might be supporting Tommy?!?!

Stop. The. Fucking. Press.

And Shit! A Thinktank spent nearly $60,000 on Legal fees for someone they believe deserves help!?!?! How Dare they!!!

I mean Fuck - it's almost like he's provided $11 Billion to various organizations, some of which seeking to change the political process of another country, supporting, possibly funding a domestic terrorist organization, Spreading Antisemitic material, funding for an organization that has promoted killing of Police, and funding an attempt to illegally enter the US (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros).

If I take every single one of those claims by the guardian at face value, then they represent a single nugget of digested Corn, compared to the steaming pile of Horseshit that those they agree have done.

husaberg

10th December 2018, 12:18

Oh My God!

a Whole 600 Twitter accounts MIGHT be link to Russia?!!?! And they Might be supporting Tommy?!?!

Stop. The. Fucking. Press.

And Shit! A Thinktank spent nearly $60,000 on Legal fees for someone they believe deserves help!?!?! How Dare they!!!

I mean Fuck - it's almost like he's provided $11 Billion to various organizations, some of which seeking to change the political process of another country, supporting, possibly funding a domestic terrorist organization, Spreading Antisemitic material, funding for an organization that has promoted killing of Police, and funding an attempt to illegally enter the US (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros).

If I take every single one of those claims by the guardian at face value, then they represent a single nugget of digested Corn, compared to the steaming pile of Horseshit that those they agree have done.
Lets be frank if AKA is so anti illegal immigration why is it he flew to America illegally on a false passport.
If he is such a fine outstanding citizen why does he choose to harass people solely on their race.
After all if its their criminal activity he objects to why is it not hypocritical given his long lists of convictions ranging from fraud to assault.
Its pretty clear given his repeated contempt of court charges that he doesn't care about the law when it applies to him.
I am sure there will be other suckers next time that believe his rubbish.

TheDemonLord

10th December 2018, 13:11

Lets be frank if AKA is so anti illegal immigration why is it he flew to America illegally on a false passport.

Did he Migrate to America?

No?

Bit of a difference then Aye.

If he is such a fine outstanding citizen why is he he choces to harass people solely on their race.

Citation needed.

After all if its their criminal activity he objects to why is it not hypocritical given his long lists of convictions ranging from fraud to assault.

Can you point to his convictions for multiple, systematic rapes and/or Terrorism to make that comparison?

Its pretty clear given his repeated contempt of court charges that he doesn't care about the law when it applies to him.

More false equivalence.

I am sure there will be other suckers next time that believe his rubbish.

If the likes of Tommy are so offensive to you - there's a simple solution to the problem: Have the open and honest conversations in the public domain about some of the unsavory aspects of Islam.

husaberg

10th December 2018, 17:30

Did he Migrate to America?

No?

Bit of a difference then Aye..

No he entered the country illegally with a false passport did you not notice that?

Citation needed..
No you need to provide some proof he harasses or harangues other nationalities or religions other than Muslims or people from the Indian subcontinent

Speaking to the broadcaster following a court’s decision to adjourn the retrial of Robinson – real name: Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon – on contempt of court charges, Robinson was questioned on why he doesn’t campaign against white pedophiles. He said: “To be honest with you, I don’t care if it incites fear [against Muslims]

Citation needed..
Can you point to his convictions for multiple, systematic rapes and/or Terrorism to make that comparison?
Can you point to where i mentioned rapists or anyone,you pulled that comparison out of thin air, But i have never seen him speak up about any crime unless it was allegedly perpetrated by someone from the indian subcontinent.
AKA is a multiple times convicted criminal yet he doesn't harass people found guilty of offences he targets those on trial.
He is a criminal a convicted one yet he seeks to attack people before they are found guilty in one case he named and identified a completely wrong person.
Others he follows around Journalist and films outside their private houses when they say stuff he doesn't like he also incites violence.

More false equivalence.
False eq, is he a multi time convicted criminal who is walking the streets, would this be the case if he was an immigrant, He would be saying its a conspiracy and a cover up.

If the likes of Tommy are so offensive to you - there's a simple solution to the problem: Have the open and honest conversations in the public domain about some of the unsavory aspects of Islam.
There you go again is Tommy about Crime or about being anti islam?

Last time we had a conversation about islam you got all upset when similar verses were found in the Bible as whatbyou implied was in the Koran.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/185625-Tommy-Robinson?p=1131105957#post1131105957
But why is it catholic priests abusing Kids is not a White problem nor is Scout master sexually assulting kids not a white person problem either.

Grumph

10th December 2018, 18:30

What fascinated me reading abouut T Robinson was the information that the Trump administration has an "Ambassador for Religious Freedom"
While in this context that's an oxymoron, it was funny as fuck to see that this "Ambassador" had bailed up the Brit Ambassador to the US and evinced concern for T Robinson's safety in jail....

Not only that but the "Ambassador" threatened to have Trump denounce the Brit Justice system if T R wasn't handled properly....

When you've stopped laughing at this, reflect that most of the US financial backers of T R also back Trump....Religious freedom, my arse.

husaberg

10th December 2018, 18:38

pritch

10th December 2018, 20:41

Did he Migrate to America?

No?

Bit of a difference then Aye.

Citation needed.

Can you point to his convictions for multiple, systematic rapes and/or Terrorism to make that comparison?

More false equivalence.

If the likes of Tommy are so offensive to you - there's a simple solution to the problem: Have the open and honest conversations in the public domain about some of the unsavory aspects of Islam.

You have succeeded in progressing from sealion to troll.

Robinson has a long history of violence and fraud including roughing up women. Yeah, he's a real man. :tugger: A raft of his mates and colleagues have been charged with a variety of sexual offences but I guess they are OK 'cause they are white. It does appear though that sex offences really don't bother him too much - unless committed by somebody who isn't white.

It's questionable whether he is sincere in any of his political positions, his aim appears simply to be self aggrandisement. His record is that of a nasty character, as are his followers, some of whom appear to be exceedingly dim.

Don't ask for citations, do your own bloody reading.

pritch

10th December 2018, 20:54

When you've stopped laughing at this, reflect that most of the US financial backers of T R also back Trump....Religious freedom, my arse.

The weekend is just ending in the States but there is a story I have just seen a couple of references to. One of the major Christian leaders in the US apparently had a three way thing with his wife and a pool boy. This became known to team Trump and the "Christian" was blackmailed in to supporting Trump.

Events may become clearer overnight our time?

Katman

11th December 2018, 04:38

Don't ask for citations, do your own bloody reading.

What would you recommend?

Mills & Boon?

Grumph

11th December 2018, 05:40

What would you recommend?

Mills & Boon?

Probably more accurate than infowars...

Voltaire

11th December 2018, 05:55

Probably more accurate than infowars...

here's one from one of ToDoLists Stalinist favs.

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/anti-racists-stand-their-ground-1000-thugs-rally-tommy-robinson

Facing 1,000 beer-swigging fascists howling their support for their idol, about 100 anti-racists held placards calling for a stand against division and delivered chants of “Tommy Robinson go to hell, take your nazi friends as well.”

Do they have beer halls in London?

TheDemonLord

11th December 2018, 08:06

No he entered the country illegally with a false passport did you not notice that?

Still not Migrating though - since he had no intention to:

a) Work
b) Live there

No you need to provide some proof he harasses or harangues other nationalities or religions other than Muslims or people from the Indian subcontinent

You made the claim. Now, back it up with Evidence.

Can you point to where i mentioned rapists or anyone,you pulled that comparison out of thin air, But i have never seen him speak up about any crime unless it was allegedly perpetrated by someone from the indian subcontinent.
AKA is a multiple times convicted criminal yet he doesn't harass people found guilty of offences he targets those on trial.
He is a criminal a convicted one yet he seeks to attack people before they are found guilty in one case he named and identified a completely wrong person.
Others he follows around Journalist and films outside their private houses when they say stuff he doesn't like he also incites violence.

You're trying to make the point that "Tommy is just as bad as those he critiques" - and therefore a Hypocrite. I'm pointing out that low-level Criminal Behavior is not the same as systematic serious offending (like Rape and Terrorism) and therefore whilst Tommy is not Lilly White (and I've never made the claim he is) he's nowhere near as bad as those he critiques.

False eq, is he a multi time convicted criminal who is walking the streets, would this be the case if he was an immigrant, He would be saying its a conspiracy and a cover up.

You're trying to make him out like he's Pablo Escobar. He's not. Stop this smear attempt.

There you go again is Tommy about Crime or about being anti islam?

Here's a thought - maybe some of the 3rd world, fundamental Islamic views/behaviors are what we would consider 'Criminal'.

Honor Killings would be a start.
Stoning Women to death for Adultery would be another.

So you tell me - is opposition to those things about Crime or about Anti-Islam? Or can both be true at the same time?

Last time we had a conversation about islam you got all upset when similar verses were found in the Bible as whatbyou implied was in the Koran.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/185625-Tommy-Robinson?p=1131105957#post1131105957
But why is it catholic priests abusing Kids is not a White problem nor is Scout master sexually assulting kids not a white person problem either.

Yes, I ignored you when you deliberately took things out of context, ignoring the chronological manner of the composition of the Bible.

Catholic priests abusing Kids is a problem. The Catholic church routinely gets flak for it's handling (and continued handling) of those instances.
Same with the Scouts.

But - here's where you have to prove your attempt at an equivalence.

I can point so Bachi Bazi, I can point to a unique type of Sexual Slavery that only exists in fundamental Islamic Countries, I can point to FGM, Honor Killings, Sharia Law - all of which are unique to 3rd world Islamic groups - which specifically allow or promote certain types of behaviour.

If you would please point to similar concepts in either the Catholic Church or the Boy Scouts that is even remotely comparable, I'll accept your equivalency.

TheDemonLord

11th December 2018, 08:08

here's one from one of ToDoLists Stalinist favs.

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/anti-racists-stand-their-ground-1000-thugs-rally-tommy-robinson

Do they have beer halls in London?

"For Peace and Socialism"

That is the very definition of a bad joke, that is so bad, it becomes funny again.

How's all that peace working out for Venezuala?

- Also - I feel flattered that you are now compelled to create nom de plume for me.

TheDemonLord

11th December 2018, 08:29

His record is that of a nasty character, as are his followers, some of whom appear to be exceedingly dim.

Don't ask for citations, do your own bloody reading.

Calling other people Dim, then either not understanding (ignorance) or deliberately ignoring (Malice) the necessity of the Burden of Proof.

Sounds about right...

You can think of him as a Nasty person, it's your right, Let me ask you this - if there is absolutely nothing wrong with 3rd world, Fundamentalist versions of Islam - then you'd have no problem moving yourself and your family to a country where that was the rule of law? Yes?

Unless... I'm picking, there is no way in hell you'd move you and your family there. If so, that raises a question - why is that? You may not like Tommy for his plain, blunt and sometimes poorly chosen manner - but that alone does not alter that there is a genuine question there. It's not motivated by Race or Hatred.

It's a genuine question that certain groups of people (who never have to interact with the working class, 3rd world Muslim immigrants who commit these crimes, only ever dealing with polite, moderate 'Westernised' Muslims) deliberately refused to discuss. We have to be fair here, in avoiding the discussion, they were keeping to a parody of one of the great principles of English liberalism - the Freedom of Religion.

In the void that was left, came Tommy and yes, also came Anger and Resentment.

I'll simply repeat myself - if you Hate Tommy as much as you profess, there's a simple solution to the problem: Have the damn discussion properly. If we see Political leaders stop openly declaring Islam to be a religion of Peace right after another Islamic terrorist attack, and actually grapple with the fundamentalist problem - you'll take all the air out of Tommy's sails and he will slide back into obscurity.

If, however, you want him around for a very long time - keep up the good work.

Voltaire

11th December 2018, 08:46

- Also - I feel flattered that you are now compelled to create nom de plume for me.

First choice was To Die laughing :yawn:

Try and keep it short, as us dumb commies can only read about 3 lines.

husaberg

11th December 2018, 11:11

Still not Migrating though - since he had no intention to:

a) Work
b) Live there

You made the claim. Now, back it up with Evidence.

You're trying to make the point that "Tommy is just as bad as those he critiques" - and therefore a Hypocrite. I'm pointing out that low-level Criminal Behavior is not the same as systematic serious offending (like Rape and Terrorism) and therefore whilst Tommy is not Lilly White (and I've never made the claim he is) he's nowhere near as bad as those he critiques.

You're trying to make him out like he's Pablo Escobar. He's not. Stop this smear attempt.

Here's a thought - maybe some of the 3rd world, fundamental Islamic views/behaviors are what we would consider 'Criminal'.

Honor Killings would be a start.
Stoning Women to death for Adultery would be another.

So you tell me - is opposition to those things about Crime or about Anti-Islam? Or can both be true at the same time?

Yes, I ignored you when you deliberately took things out of context, ignoring the chronological manner of the composition of the Bible.

Catholic priests abusing Kids is a problem. The Catholic church routinely gets flak for it's handling (and continued handling) of those instances.
Same with the Scouts.

But - here's where you have to prove your attempt at an equivalence.

I can point so Bachi Bazi, I can point to a unique type of Sexual Slavery that only exists in fundamental Islamic Countries, I can point to FGM, Honor Killings, Sharia Law - all of which are unique to 3rd world Islamic groups - which specifically allow or promote certain types of behaviour.

If you would please point to similar concepts in either the Catholic Church or the Boy Scouts that is even remotely comparable, I'll accept your equivalency.

More blather AKA illegally boarded a plane under a false pasport and flew to another country where despite your protestations he worked when he appeared on a talk show.
He then goes on about immigrants of which the vast majority are legal being in his country illegally. That is a hypocrite.

I dont need to prove Tommy harassed people its clear he has there is multiple statements and video most of which he video'd himself that clearly show this.
Tommy is a hypocrite i dont need to prove it, he does all the work showing it clearly himself.

You go on about stuff in the third world in other countries and attempt to apply it elsewhere you further ignore the hypocrisy of your own statements about what is the teachings of other religions when Christianity say the same things thats completely irreverent.
For years both the catholic church and the boy scouts covered up hid paid off and actually perverted the course of justice in relation to sexual assult of Children by people within the organisations
You claim communities of immigrants did the same thing in case you missed only thing is you do so without proof.
Where as there is ample evidence the catholic church paid off victims and covered up offending and pretended no crimes had occurred this happened there is proof.
In the case of the church instead of viel accusations that aka makes with no proof there is ample written substantiated evidence that the church mounted a planned and well orchestrated professional campaign to cover up the offending with the full knowledge and approval of those within and in charge of the organisation this is fact.
You mentioned the Scouts and the catholic church cop flack.
Do all members get judged the same way as you think its fine For AKA to say all members of a religion should be judged on the deeds of a very small minority.
AKA is a racist ignorant piece of trash.
You seem to be now prone to suggestions that nothing put to you is equivalent but by your own suggestion of what is things in your own line of reason simply dont add up.

if AKA only interest is in that fact children were sexually assaulted why is it he never mentions a case or goes on a crusade where anyone was sexually assaulted where the perpetrators where white.
ESP given the vast majority of these offenders are white.
The reason you cant is the fact is you cant because despite your protestations you cant its not about anything else other than his agenda of race and religion.

AS for AKA's convictions
Robinson was jailed for assault resisting arrest and actualy bodily harm in 2005, he also has convictions for drugs offences and public order offences,

His 2005 sentence was for assaulting an off-duty police officer who had come to the rescue of his girlfriend, now wife, during a drunken confrontation. Robinson said "I've kicked him in the head" and "I felt like I shouldn't of gone to jail for what I did".

He was convicted in 2011 of leading a brawl involving 100 football fans.
In 2011, Robinson was convicted of assault for an attack at an EDL march in Blackburn.
False passport
In October 2012, Robinson was arrested and held on the charge of having entered the United States illegally. Robinson pleaded guilty at Southwark Crown Court to using someone else's passport to travel to the United States in September 2012, and was sentenced in January 2013 to 10 months' imprisonment.[119][120]

Robinson had used a passport in the name of Andrew McMaster to board a Virgin Atlantic flight from Heathrow to New York. He had been banned from entering the US due to a drugs offence. When he arrived at New York’s JFK Airport, customs officials who took his fingerprints realised he was not Mr McMaster. He was asked to attend a second interview but left the airport, entering the US illegally. He stayed one night and returned to the UK the following day using his own legitimate passport - which bears the name Paul Harris.

Judge Alistair McCreath told him: "What you did went absolutely to the heart of the immigration controls that the United States are entitled to have. It's not in any sense trivial."[116]

Fraud
In November 2012, Robinson was charged with three counts of conspiracy to commit fraud by misrepresentation in relation to a mortgage application, along with five other defendants.d in January 2014 was sentenced to 18 months imprisonment.

Contempt of court 1
In 2017, Robinson was given a 3 month suspended sentence after he admitted a contempt of court charge for attempting to photograph juvenile defendant in a court case whilst having no right to do so. Court security had told Robinson not to film in and around the court as it would lead to his arrest. The 3 month suspended sentence could be activated within 18 months.

pritch

11th December 2018, 11:35

Burden of proof? What the fuck are you on about? He was found guilty multiple times.

I've lived in a muslim country for a couple of years. (And 'inadvertantly' overnighted in another.)

I don't hate anybody that's too strong a word. Robinson and his ilk are simply racists, they are despicable people. Even he doesn't believe the crap he spouts, his half wit followers are probably believers though.

Anyhoo enough. You're only marginally more lucid than Cassina so you can go on "ignore".

TheDemonLord

11th December 2018, 11:49

More blather AKA illegally boarded a plane under a false pasport and flew to another country where despite your protestations he worked when he appeared on a talk show.
He then goes on about immigrants of which the vast majority are legal being in his country illegally. That is a hypocrite.

Except Visiting =/= Migrating. If he'd stayed in the US, you might have a point.

I dont need to prove...

Burden of Proof.

You go on about stuff in the third world in other countries and attempt to apply it elsewhere you further ignore the hypocrisy of your own statements about what is the teachings of other religions when Christianity say the same things thats completely irreverent.

That's not an argument, that's just misdirection.

For years both the catholic church and the boy scouts covered up hid paid off and actually perverted the course of justice in relation to sexual assult of Children by people within the organisations

And everyone agrees that it was wrong, if you want to claim that these crimes are equivalent - you've got to point to where this behavior was specifically sanctioned (in writing) by the Church or the Boy Scouts. You cannot. You can with Islam. Therein lies the difference.

You claim communities of immigrants did the same thing in case you missed only thing is you do so without proof.

Ironic - you are demanding proof when you've explicitly denied your own burden of Proof.

Where as there is ample evidence the catholic church paid off victims and covered up offending and pretended no crimes had occurred this happened there is proof.

Not only an attempt at an appeal to bigger problems fallacy, you have yet to show that those who are critical of Islam are somehow supportive of the above. Finally, you have to ask why the church paid people off and covered up - was it part of their religious doctrine? or was it to preserve the perception of the organisation?

You mentioned the Scouts and the catholic church cop flack.
Do all members get judged the same way as you think its fine For AKA to say all members of a religion should be judged on the deeds of a very small minority.

If you can point to a part in either of their doctrines that explicitly allows this behavior, then yes, they would. But you can't, and so they don't. And let us be clear - Tommy has (in multiple interviews) attempted to draw a distinction between the Wahabist/Salafist sects of Islam (who tend to be the most fundamental) and other more moderate groups.

if AKA only interest is in that fact children were sexually assaulted why is it he never mentions a case or goes on a crusade where anyone was sexually assaulted where the perpetrators where white.
ESP given the vast majority of these offenders are white.
The reason you cant is the fact is you cant because despite your protestations you cant its not about anything else other than his agenda of race and religion.

Maybe because the vast majority of White offenders do so alone, not acting as a large network? Might that have something to do with it? Might Cultural and Religious have something to do with it? I mean - when even the Guardian writes a piece Outlining their views on Women "They think that all foreign women are prostitutes and they try to treat them like that." (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/nov/10/arab-myth-of-western-women)...

AS for My attempt at attacking the character, as opposed to the actual argument

Yeah - not gonna fly.

Either post up a conviction for multiple Gang Rapes or Terrorism by Tommy or desist with this attempt.

Katman

11th December 2018, 11:50

I don't hate anybody that's too strong a word. Robinson and his ilk are simply racists, they are despicable people.

What about the Muslim rape grooming gangs?

Is hate too strong a word for them?

TheDemonLord

11th December 2018, 11:51

First choice was To Die laughing :yawn:

Try and keep it short, as us dumb commies can only read about 3 lines.

TBH - I think your first choice is funnier.

husaberg

11th December 2018, 12:36

Repeated Blather

Maybe only in your own mind do you know more than a judge after all he is the one who claimed aka breached the USA immigration laws.
You also said Aka was't going there to work well what was he doing in the USA was he not there to preach hs own brand of racial intolerence

Lets be clear
AKA and its apparently you believe his claims that because someone is of the islamic faith they are a rapist as islam is the religion of rape. (although now you claim its only some parts of it)
you makes cliams that rape is okay by islam yet produce zero evidence to support this.
Using the same logic Catholicism and boy scouts is clearly all about Raping children if you are one you are the other. only that different in your mind the only reason being thats illogical as they are white anglosaxons.
You make all sorts of attempts to justify aka actions which is pathetic.
Hes an oxygen thief and it appears if you follow his doctrine like you appear to little oxygen is left for his followers to be making rational decisions

TheDemonLord

11th December 2018, 13:30

Maybe only in your own mind do you know more than a judge after all he is the one who claimed aka breached the USA immigration laws.
You also said Aka was't going there to work well what was he doing in the USA was he not there to preach hs own brand of racial intolerence

Keep redefining those Terms. It's simple - is he still living and working in the US? No? Then he is not a Migrant and therefore your attempt to equate him as such are crap.

Lets be clear

Lets.

AKA and its apparently you believe his claims that because someone is of the islamic faith they are a rapist as islam is the religion of rape. (although now you claim its only some parts of it) you makes cliams that rape is okay by islam yet produce zero evidence to support this.

No, Try again. In the Haddiths (which I've already quoted in this thread) - there's a line that refers to Followers of Muhammed being reluctant to carry out Rape and Pillage after a Military Victory, Muhammed quoted the Qu'Ran in order to justify his actions.

There is also subsequent parts in the Qu'ran:

Sura 48:29

Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves.

Pretty much saying that it's one rule for Muslims and a different rule for non-Muslims. So the prohibitions against Rape in the Qu'Ran only apply if you are "Among Themselves"

Using the same logic Catholicism and boy scouts is clearly all about Raping children if you are one you are the other. only that different in your mind the only reason being thats illogical as they are white anglosaxons.

I've looked in this post - and curiously the part where you reference anything written by the Catholic Church or Boy Scouts that specifically condones this behaviour seems to be missing...

If you could put it in and actually prove your point that they are equivalent, that'd be great.

You make all sorts of attempts to justify aka actions which is pathetic.
Hes an oxygen thief and it appears if you follow his doctrine like you appear to little oxygen is left for his followers to be making rational decisions

So, if you want to starve him of Oxygen, talk honestly about the problem. If you want him to continue to hold Sway - keep it up.

husaberg

11th December 2018, 13:53

Keep redefining those Terms. It's simple - is he still living and working in the US? No? Then he is not a Migrant and therefore your attempt to equate him as such are crap.

Lets.

No, Try again. In the Haddiths (which I've already quoted in this thread) - there's a line that refers to Followers of Muhammed being reluctant to carry out Rape and Pillage after a Military Victory, Muhammed quoted the Qu'Ran in order to justify his actions.

There is also subsequent parts in the Qu'ran:

Sura 48:29

Pretty much saying that it's one rule for Muslims and a different rule for non-Muslims. So the prohibitions against Rape in the Qu'Ran only apply if you are "Among Themselves"

I've looked in this post - and curiously the part where you reference anything written by the Catholic Church or Boy Scouts that specifically condones this behaviour seems to be missing...

If you could put it in and actually prove your point that they are equivalent, that'd be great.

So, if you want to starve him of Oxygen, talk honestly about the problem. If you want him to continue to hold Sway - keep it up.
It never fails to amaze me how you rate your own opinion on legal maters higher than judges.

udge Alistair McCreath told him: "What you did went absolutely to the heart of the immigration controls that the United States are entitled to have. It's not in any sense trivial.
Surely he didnt say immigration controls
Tommy was caught entering the country illegally to work and fled on another different passport.
10 secs google

Genesis 19 features an attempted homosexual gang rape. Two angels arrive in Sodom, and Lot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot_(biblical_person)) shows them hospitality. However, the men of the city gathered around Lot's house and demanded that he give them the two guests so that they could rape them. In response to this, Lot offers the mob his two virgin daughters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot%27s_daughters) instead

Genesis 19 goes on to relate how Lot's daughters get him drunk and have sex with him. A number of commentators describe their actions as rape. Esther Fuchs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Fuchs) suggests that the text presents Lot's daughters as the "initiators and perpetrators of the incestuous 'rape'

Deuteronomy
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

Tarico was critical of Deuteronomy 22:28-29, saying that "The punishments for rape have to do not with compassion or trauma to the woman herself but with honor, tribal purity, and a sense that a used woman is damaged goods.

Numbers 31

<dl>""Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves."
</dl>

“The laws [in Deut 22:23-29] do not in fact prohibit rape; they institutionalize it…” –Harold Washington, St. Paul School of Theology

Exodus 22:16-17 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins."

TheDemonLord

11th December 2018, 14:30

It never fails to amaze me how you rate your own opinion on legal maters higher than judges.

Again - Has he stayed in the US? No? Then he's not an Immigrant.

Surely he didnt say immigration controls
Tommy was caught entering the country illegally to work and fled on another different passport.

Keep stretching that definition.

10 secs google

Remember when I said:

Yes, I ignored you when you deliberately took things out of context, ignoring the chronological manner of the composition of the Bible.

Thanks very much for proving that point.

husaberg

11th December 2018, 18:50

Again - Has he stayed in the US? No? Then he's not an Immigrant.

Only thats not what was said by you or the judge
Judge Alistair McCreath told him: "What you did went absolutely to the heart of the immigration controls that the United States are entitled to have. It's not in any sense trivial."

Lets be frank if AKA is so anti illegal immigration why is it he flew to America illegally on a false passport.

Still not Migrating though - since he had no intention to:

a) Work
b) Live there

No he entered the country illegally with a false passport did you not notice that?
.

As i have pointed out to you dont know more than a judge
Nor does it seem you seem to notice he went there with the intention of working. unless spreading racial hate is just his hobby why did he go to the usa airfair paid to be paid to appear on a TV show.
Nor does it include the fact he was caught at the border then fled again under another passport in the name of another of his many alias's.

Remember when I said:

No, Try again. In the Haddiths (which I've already quoted in this thread) - there's a line that refers to Followers of Muhammed being reluctant to carry out Rape and Pillage after a Military Victory, Muhammed quoted the Qu'Ran in order to justify his actions.

There is also subsequent parts in the Qu'ran:

Sura 48:29
Pretty much saying that it's one rule for Muslims and a different rule for non-Muslims. So the prohibitions against Rape in the Qu'Ran only apply if you are "Among Themselves"
I've looked in this post - and curiously the part where you reference anything written by the Catholic Church or Boy Scouts that specifically condones this behaviour seems to be missing...

If you could put it in and actually prove your point that they are equivalent, that'd be great.

Genesis 19 features an attempted homosexual gang rape. Two angels arrive in Sodom, and Lot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot_(biblical_person)) shows them hospitality. However, the men of the city gathered around Lot's house and demanded that he give them the two guests so that they could rape them. In response to this, Lot offers the mob his two virgin daughters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot%27s_daughters) instead

Genesis 19 goes on to relate how Lot's daughters get him drunk and have sex with him. A number of commentators describe their actions as rape. Esther Fuchs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_Fuchs) suggests that the text presents Lot's daughters as the "initiators and perpetrators of the incestuous 'rape'

Deuteronomy
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

Tarico was critical of Deuteronomy 22:28-29, saying that "The punishments for rape have to do not with compassion or trauma to the woman herself but with honor, tribal purity, and a sense that a used woman is damaged goods.

Numbers 31

<dl>""Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves."
</dl>

“The laws [in Deut 22:23-29] do not in fact prohibit rape; they institutionalize it…” –Harold Washington, St. Paul School of Theology

Exodus 22:16-17 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins."
Thanks very much for proving that point.
your point is you claim all of this crap is in the Koran but not the bible when it clearly When a take seconds to prove you wrong you then you claim thats not relevant to the question you asked.

some other great stuff in the Bible

You can kill a woman if she seizes a man's private parts without his permission: Deuteronomy 25:11-1: If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Perversity and human trafficking condoned: "Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." (1 Peter 2:18)

Sex slavery condoned: "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again."
Exodus 21: 7-8

Divorce akin to debauchery: "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery." (Luke 16:18)

If your genitals have been damaged, stay out of church: "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord."(Deuteronomy 23:1)

Cannibalism: "And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son...." (II Kings 6:28-29)

Incest and getting drunk with dad is no problem if the world is running thin on suitable DNA donors: And the elder said to the younger Our father is old, and there is no man left on the earth, to come in unto us after the manner of the whole earth. Come, let us make him drunk with wine, and let us lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the elder went in and lay with her father: but he perceived not neither when his daughter lay down, nor when she rose up. And the next day the elder said to the younger: Behold I lay last night with my father, let us make him drink wine also to night, and thou shalt lie with him, that we may save seed of our father. They made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in, and lay with him: and neither then did he perceive when she lay down, nor when she rose up. So the two daughters of Lot were with child by their father. [Genesis 19:31-36]

But incestuous rape is cool: And when she had presented him the meat, he took hold of her, and said: Come lie with me, my sister. She answered him: Do not so, my brother, do not force me: for no such thing must be done in Israel. Do not thou this folly. [II Kings 13:8-12] But he would not hearken to her prayers, but being stronger overpowered her and lay with her. [II Kings 13:14]

pritch

11th December 2018, 19:24

What about the Muslim rape grooming gangs?

Is hate too strong a word for them?

Abso-fucking-lutely. (10 ch)

Katman

11th December 2018, 19:36

Abso-fucking-lutely. (10 ch)

So you can't even bring yourself to hate a group of Muslim rape groomers who targeted underage girls?

You have some fucking weird moral standards.

TheDemonLord

11th December 2018, 20:43

Only thats not what was said by you or the judge
Judge Alistair McCreath told him: "What you did went absolutely to the heart of the immigration controls that the United States are entitled to have. It's not in any sense trivial."

Still.
Not.
Permenantly.
Living.
In.
The.
US.

Therefore, Not a Migrant. Therefore, a different scenario than someone illegally entering the US with the intention of living there permenantly and working there.

As i have pointed out to you dont know more than a judge
Nor does it seem you seem to notice he went there with the intention of working. unless spreading racial hate is just his hobby why did he go to the usa airfair paid to be paid to appear on a TV show.
Nor does it include the fact he was caught at the border then fled again under another passport in the name of another of his many alias's.

Can you point to where I've disagreed with the Judge? I've not. I've disagreed with your attempt to conflate illegally entering a country temporarily with illegally trying to migrate to a country.

your point is you claim all of this crap is in the Koran but not the bible when it clearly When a take seconds to prove you wrong you then you claim thats not relevant to the question you asked.

some other great stuff in the Bible

All in the Old Testament. The same place it says not to eat Shellfish or wear clothes of multiple fibres. However, that was overturned by the coming of Jesus in the New Testament.

Remember (again) how I mentioned that Chronology happens to be a thing? And most Christians put more stock in the words/works of Jesus (in the New Testament) than they do with the History of the Jews (the Old Testament).

The difference, is that no such rescinding exists in the Qu'Ran - in fact as it goes on (and Mohammed becomes a powerful warlord) it becomes more violent and domineering.

So quite a bit of difference there.

TheDemonLord

11th December 2018, 20:43

So you can't even bring yourself to hate a group of Muslim rape groomers who targeted underage girls?

You have some fucking weird moral standards.

I know Pritch won't read it - but that's exactly the response that gave rise to Tommy.

husaberg

11th December 2018, 21:54

Still.
Not.
Permenantly.
Living.
In.
The.
US.

Therefore, Not a Migrant. Therefore, a different scenario than someone illegally entering the US with the intention of living there permenantly and working there.
Can you point to where I've disagreed with the Judge? I've not. I've disagreed with your attempt to conflate illegally entering a country temporarily with illegally trying to migrate to a country..
What does the judges ruling say, ie specifically which controls did the judge name that aka breached.

Judge Alistair McCreath told him: "What you did went absolutely to the heart of the immigration controls that the United States are entitled to have. It's not in any sense trivial."
Ps also here you claimed to know more than a us supreme court judge as well
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/185771-Free-speech?p=1131109834#post1131109834
Further on you claimed to know better than dictionaries regarding word definitions to boot
You also fail to acknowledge why he was there which meets your own definition you gave ie work. you edit that out of your replies though.

Still not Migrating though - since he had no intention to:

a) Work
b) Live there
Nor does it seem you seem to notice he went there with the intention of working. unless spreading racial hate is just his hobby why did he go to the usa airfair paid to be paid to appear on a TV show.
Nor does it include the fact he was caught at the border then fled again under another passport in the name of another of his many alias's.

All in the Old Testament. The same place it says not to eat Shellfish or wear clothes of multiple fibres. However, that was overturned by the coming of Jesus in the New Testament.

Remember (again) how I mentioned that Chronology happens to be a thing? And most Christians put more stock in the words/works of Jesus (in the New Testament) than they do with the History of the Jews (the Old Testament).

The difference, is that no such rescinding exists in the Qu'Ran - in fact as it goes on (and Mohammed becomes a powerful warlord) it becomes more violent and domineering.

So quite a bit of difference there.
is what i wrote in the bible or not,
As it clearly is, your claims that such drivel is only in the koran and not in the bible were clearly wrong.

pritch

12th December 2018, 13:03

So you can't even bring yourself to hate a group of Muslim rape groomers who targeted underage girls?

You have some fucking weird moral standards.

Bollocks! When they finish their prison terms I'd punt the arseholes back to wherever they came from. No ifs, no buts, and I'd do it with a smile.
Moral standards don't come into this. It's more about how each of us defines the word 'hate'. You apparently use it more freely than I do, that's all.

I don't even hate Tommy Robinson, although I thnk he's a completely despicable individual, very little better than the people he dislikes so intensely.

Katman

12th December 2018, 13:14

Moral standards don't come into this. It's more about how each of us defines the word 'hate'. You apparently use it more freely than I do, that's all.

'Hate' is just a synonym for 'loathe', 'detest' or 'despise'.

Buy yourself a dictionary.

Graystone

12th December 2018, 17:06

'Hate' is just a synonym for 'loathe', 'detest' or 'despise'.

Buy yourself a dictionary.

Spend a bit more and get yourself a proper one mate...

Katman

12th December 2018, 17:08

Spend a bit more and get yourself a proper one mate...

I'm not your mate.

pritch

12th December 2018, 20:08

Buy yourself a dictionary.

I have several and I use them regularly.

Your English is passable. There seems to be a problem with your comprehension though, and your critical thinking skills are almost entirely lacking. You have a long history of adopting whatever crackpot idiocy is in vogue at the time. Don't presume to criticise anybody else's ability with the language. You are the one with a significant problem.

Not that I expect you to understand any of that, because you didn't read it on a conspiracy web site.

husaberg

12th December 2018, 20:28

(https://www.britishtan.co.uk/tommy-robinsons-best-friend-and-edl-co-founder-richard-price-is-a-convicted-paedophile-and-a-drug-dealer/)https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/edl-english-defence-league-leigh-mcmillan-jailed-paedophile-old-bailey-a8231231.html
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/far-right-hero-is-a-convicted-paedophile-z6pb87rr2q5
https://kittysjones.wordpress.com/2018/05/29/the-edl-have-paedophiles-in-their-ranks-but-tommy-robinson-evidently-doesnt-condemn-them/
https://www.britishtan.co.uk/tommy-robinsons-best-friend-and-edl-co-founder-richard-price-is-a-convicted-paedophile-and-a-drug-dealer/

The EDL have paedophiles in their ranks but Tommy Robinson evidently doesn’t condemn them.
A senior member of the English Defence Leagure (EDL), a far-right group which has a long history of tirades that conflate Islam with terrorism, paedophilia and sharia – accusing Muslims of paedophilia on a generalised basis – has been sentenced to 17 years for the grooming and sexual abuse of a 10 year old girl.

The man sentenced for child abuse, who is also a member and contributor to several far-right social media groups, has been sentenced at the Old Bailey to 17 years after he sexually abused a schoolgirl.
He assaulted the young girl around 100 times over a five-year period, the court was told.
The court heard how Leigh McMillan, 46, from Milton Keynes, groomed his 10 year old victim with cigarettes and drugs before subjecting her to a “spiral of sexual abuse” during the mid-1990s.
McMillan attacked the girl as she lay on her mother’s bed and and warned: “You mustn’t tell your mum, she’d be really upset.”
Prosecutor Jane Carpenter told jurors the girl “felt as if every day was Groundhog Day” and described her own ordeal as a “spiral of abuse”. In a statement provided to the court, the girl described how she “had not had control” of her own life.
McMillan was arrested in September 2016 and convicted of three counts of indecent assault, two of indecency with a child and one of attempted rape following trial last month.
On Monday, the judge, recorder Bruce Houlder QC, jailed him for a total of 17 years.
“What you did was entirely devoid of any form of consent,” the judge said, describing how McMillan had “deprived her of a natural childhood”, “ruined her relationship with men” and left her with a “terrible legacy” of abuse due to his “warped and persistent attacks”.
He was jailed for a total of 17 years and also made subject to notification on the sex offenders’ register and a sexual harm prevention order indefinitely.

Another leader of the EDL, who was described as a “political prisoner” after being jailed for violence at a march had already been placed on the sex offenders register for downloading indecent images of children, back in 2010.
The far-right group launched a campaign to free Richard Price, co-ordinator of the West Midlands division of the EDL, after he was jailed for violent behaviour. But Price, 41, had been convicted in June 2010 of making four indecent images of children, and possessing cocaine and crack cocaine.
That conviction followed an earlier arrest in 2009 for public order offences believed to have been connected with EDL marches. Police were understood to have seized and analysed his computer, leading to the discovery of sexual images of children that he had downloaded. His home was also searched and the drugs were found.
Price admitted four counts of making indecent images of children and two charges of possessing cocaine when he appeared at Birmingham Crown Court. He was banned from owning a computer for a year, given a three-year community supervision order and ordered to sign on to the sex offenders register for five years.
When Price was jailed, EDL members launched a campaign urging supporters to write to the Prime Minister and MPs to try to “win justice for Richard Price, EDL”. ‘Tommy Robinson supported Price after he was convicted of child porn charges. Apparently, paedophilia is OK if it is an EDL member who is commiting the horrific crime. Later, Robinson hurriedly issued a statement to claim that Price has never been a leader of the EDL, forgetting that back in June 2010 he had published a statement on Facebook naming the management and amongst those names were Price’s, and he was credited for co-founding the group.
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The far right organisation have had further paedophile scandals since with the recent jailing of Michael Coates aka Mickey Blueeyes and Brett Moses who was convicted of trying to groom a 13 year old Canadian schoolgirl after travelling to meet her.

Bloody odd AKA has never mentioned Sexual assault and Grooming Gangs prior to 2014 when according to TDL everyone knew about it years before then but done nothing to stop it.
Why is it AKA never knew about it if everyone knew about it? He only started even mentioning it after the people went to court.

But wait there more

Take Kristopher Allan, a member of the Scottish Defence League who chanted ‘Allah is a paedo’ one minute and was convicted of sexual contact with a 13-year-old the next. Or John Broomfield, ‘Regional Commanding Officer’ of Britain First, who too was found guilty of having child pornography on his computer. The far-right are up to their necks in the sexual abuse of children.

http://onecommunitymanyvoices.blogspot.com/2012/05/tommy-robinson-extremist-anti-muslim.html

TheDemonLord

12th December 2018, 22:00

husaberg

12th December 2018, 22:27

All I'm going to say is the Muhammed consummated a marriage to Aisha when she was 9 or 10 years old...
thats cool by the bible of white anglo sky pixies

1 Corinthians 7:1-40 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does.

Ephesians 5:22 English Standard Version (ESV) Wives and Husbands 22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
not only that Dinah Was Married To Shechem and consummated at nine in the bible. its called the Rape of Dinah, before she was promised to marriage her brothers insisted every male was circumcised As they they had had pre marital sex, then they killed every male in the city plundered its wealth and took all the women.

Also according to the Jewish Talmud, Prophet Moses and his followers had sex with girls as young as 3 years old

"....The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...."
"....According to the Tannaïte Rabbis, MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]...."
"Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....."
"A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."....."

t would fly in Bible bashing white ol USA as well though
Among the states with the highest rates of child marriages were Arkansas, Idaho and Kentucky. The number of child marriages has been falling, but every state in America still allows underage girls to marry, typically with the consent of parents, a judge or both. Twenty-seven states do not even set a minimum age by statute

But i guess your latest misdirection avoids you facing up to the fact you are wrong for a few more hours at least. Exactly like you were on the previous page that you still have never responded to.

It also avoids the fact that the group aka co-founded was full of Pedophiles and groomers right through its membership and senior members and back to the people that found it and administer its web-pages
Not only that, he attempted to lie about and cover it up himself.
He never protested at any of his Senior members rape and Grooming trial nor said a word against them afterwards
On the contrary if he did he mention them at all it was as being Martyrs like himself
Kind of ironic for a guy, you claim is interested only in exposing such maters.:rolleyes:
I guess its only if they are Asian is it an issue.

Katman

13th December 2018, 07:38

Also according to the Jewish Talmud, Prophet Moses and his followers had sex with girls as young as 3 years old

Anti-semitism!!!!!!!

husaberg

13th December 2018, 09:11

There seems to be a problem with your comprehension though, and your critical thinking skills are almost entirely lacking. You have a long history of adopting whatever crackpot idiocy is in vogue at the time. Don't presume to criticise anybody else's ability with the language. You are the one with a significant problem.

Not that I expect you to understand any of that, because you didn't read it on a conspiracy web site.

Anti-semitism!!!!!!!
Pritch nailed you in a couple of sentences. You must have thought that wasn’t good enough so you did it to yourself in less than one sentence.
You appear to have no comprehension or critical thinking skills, That’s why you read a series of ill-considered rubbish off a conspiracy site and confuse it with evidence.

I note the reason you haven’t chosen to debate what i posted about AKA associates is you can’t and you want to pretend it wasn’t posted. Just like TDL.
You are an Egg Steve, Scrambled.
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Katman

13th December 2018, 09:35

I note the reason you haven’t chosen to debate what i posted about AKA associates is you can’t and you want to pretend it wasn’t posted. Just like TDL.

Seriously, I couldn't give a fuck what you post.

It's not like it's ever going to alter you being 'repeatedly proven to be a total utter moron in public'.

husaberg

13th December 2018, 12:26

Seriously, I couldn't give a fuck what you post.

It's not like it's ever going to alter you being 'repeatedly proven to be a total utter moron in public'.
Just keep on telling yourself that, You always were a sucker for the cock and ball stories.:baby:
Playing the man rather than the balls
Isn't it time you posted another pole? Maybe this time it should be on how intelligent people really think you are.

Katman

13th December 2018, 15:12

Playing the man rather than the balls

I can't quite figure out whether that qualifies as epic irony or monumental hypocrisy.

Someone with a better dictionary might be able to help me out.

husaberg

13th December 2018, 15:54

I can't quite figure out whether that qualifies as epic irony or monumental hypocrisy.

Someone with a better dictionary might be able to help me out.

Gee, you not getting it is hardly a surprise, Maybe you are not in on the gag.
I'd suggest you suck it up, take a deep breath and swallow your pride then ask for help.
Maybe oldie will lend you a hand:tugger:

FJRider

17th March 2019, 11:55

... There's a reason why a whole bunch of working class people are seriously fucked off at Islam.

In a way that they aren't fucked off at say Sikhism or Buddhism or Judaism.

And after yesterdays events ... more will be pissed off that they were missing seeing their favorite TV program's ... than knowing all the actions of an anti-Muslim dickhead. And who will they blame ... the aussie or Muslim's ... ???

FJRider

17th March 2019, 12:04

Just keep on telling yourself that, You always were a sucker for the cock and ball stories.:baby:

It's actually called "A Cock and BULL" story ... :whistle:

Ball's are what cricketer's play with in their pocket during a game ... ;)

husaberg

17th March 2019, 12:09

It's actually called "A Cock and BULL" story ... :whistle:

Ball's are what cricketer's play with in their pocket during a game ... ;)

You kind of missed the point.
It has everything to do with diction.

FJRider

17th March 2019, 12:35

You kind of missed the point.

You scored an own goal. YOUR point is ... ??? :shifty:

husaberg

17th March 2019, 12:42

You scored an own goal. YOUR point is ... ??? :shifty:
It had everything to do with the "Diction"
I doubt you could score in a brothel with a pocket full of cash.

husaberg

17th March 2019, 14:05

Aly said. “I’m simply not. There’s nothing about what happened in Christchurch today that shocks me.”

Aly went on to list attacks in recent years in places of worship—targeting Muslims in mosques in Quebec City and London, Jews in a synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and Christians in a church in Charleston, South Carolina—saying that this kind of violence has come to be expected in a climate of hate that many political leaders build up and manipulate rather than stop.

Aly read off a series of Islamophobic, xenophobic and anti-immigration quotes
—for instance: “The truth is that Islam is not like any other faith. It is the religious equivalent of fascism”—that would fit into the white-supremacist rantings in the attacker’s online screed. Those words were actually written by a far-right Australian member of parliament after the attacks.
Aly also reminds the audience that the current prime minister, Scott Morrison, has used anti-Muslim rhetoric as a political strategy to rise to power. (Aly notes Morrison has condemned the mosque shootings and did not hesitate to call the attacks terrorism.)

The broadcaster’s analysis concludes with a heartfelt reminder that anything individuals do to fuel the fire of hate makes them responsible for the tragedy generated: “Everything we say to try to tear people apart, demonize particular groups, set them against each other, that all has consequences, even if we are not the ones with our fingers on the trigger.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fjlHBc-j9w