how low can't ya go.....

[bugjuice]

looks good to start with, but goes pear shaped quick.. I had wondered how low you can take a bike before this happens.. I'd now have to say not quite as low as this..

[Lou Girardin]

Do you find these in www.dicksrus.com? The wanker's got his visor open during a fang. I bet the face full of gravel was fun.

[Sniper]

I found the problem. On the third photo you can see he is using a hover technique on the back wheel.

[WRT]

Looks like pic #7 would have been of him with a leg on either side of that tree. That's why he had his visor open Lou, so we could all see the expression on his face as the good news got rammed home . . .

[R6_kid]

in the second pic you can see sparks so you now atleast his peg is on the ground... either its the whole thing just turned to shit or he had fixed pegs maybe because as said the rear wheel is off the ground, but also the front wheel has turned in when it should be turned out at that speed (counter-steering)

or maybe he was just a bit to much ZING for the corner.

[R6_kid]

in the second pic you can see sparks so you know atleast his peg is on the ground... either its the whole thing just turned to shit or he had fixed pegs maybe because as said the rear wheel is off the ground, but also the front wheel has turned in when it should be turned out at that speed (counter-steering)

or maybe he was just a bit to much ZING for the corner.

all the same, the first pic is a good one to remember the bike by!

[The Stranger]

Aside from going a bit slower, what (from looking at the photos) if anything could you say he could have done better?

[bugjuice]

how about not dropping it..??
I think the first shot looks to be pushing it the right amount, but may be the corner tightend up too much or something.. Or may be he was a few ks too much

[Sniper]

I think we can lable that corner an OFC.

[Postie]

Thats one of them nija eating bushes in Colorado, Tennis sea....... :whocares:

I’ve seem 'em before, you come round a corner and its invisible tongue flicks out and snatches the bike from underneath you, the only way round is to hang gorilla testicles on the back of your bike

[Sniper]

either its the whole thing just turned to shit or he had fixed pegs !
Cant have fixed pegs because if you scruitenise the first pic, you can see the spring mechanism.

[XP@]

in the second pic you can see sparks so you know atleast his peg is on the ground... either its the whole thing just turned to shit or he had fixed pegs maybe because as said the rear wheel is off the ground, but also the front wheel has turned in when it should be turned out at that speed (counter-steering)

or maybe he was just a bit to much ZING for the corner.

all the same, the first pic is a good one to remember the bike by!
It does look like the front wheel is pointing in the wrong direction. could this be because he has realised that he is going too low and is trying to get the bike up up and use a but more of the road?

Is it my imagination but is he "leaning out" instead of leaning in?

Excellent set of shots, but it would be nice if we could see a front on set of shots too. Can you ask him to do it again, but this time with camera's front and rear.

[Lou Girardin]

It just looks like the front wheel tucked.

[sAsLEX]

It just looks like the front wheel tucked.


agree with you lou, plus it looks like he apexing a bit early, keeping wide on entry on the road is always a safer option

[Biff]

I vote the pegs unloaded the back wheel (pics 2&3) off the road. A common mistake, ain't that right R1 Aaron (like I can talk).

[James Deuce]

I vote the pegs unloaded the back wheel (pics 2&3) off the road. A common mistake, ain't that right R1 Aaron (like I can talk).

Yup. I've done that except the RC30 was pretty stable as a tripod. When the peg snapped off thanks to Manfield's less than stellar surface that was a different story. Mind you I may have been caught out by the holes I'd been digging myself.

[Two Smoker]

Ive done better (literally)... He just rolled off the tyres... Unless you weigh 90+kgs you will probably never scrape the pegs on a modern 600 Supersport (i havent on my 600)

The sparks will be from the rear axle (just like on my 600 hehehe) and there is nothing he could have done other than using a race type tyre (steeper profile) or going slightly slower...

[**R1**]

I vote the pegs unloaded the back wheel (pics 2&3) off the road. A common mistake, ain't that right R1 Aaron (like I can talk).Not that common, I have only done it once, it just happened to be when that homo Trash was here, I did learn from my mistake tho(I love my new rear sets)

[SixPackBack]

Your all wrong.........after many hours of scrutiny i have the answer to this unfortunate individual's crash..............he should have bought a Suzuki :niceone:

[trev]

Would backing off the throttle hard do this ??? - lighten back wheel, lower bike on suspension etc. 2nd pic looks like he has backed off the throttle a fair bit.
Awesome looking road - what you can see of it

[**R1**]

Your all wrong.........after many hours of scrutiny i have the answer to this unfortunate individual's crash..............he should have bought a Suzuki :niceone:
Have you not seen this http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=375110#post375110

[Sniper]

And crashed before he got to the corner?

[Smorg]

Correct me if im im wrong but that looks like the exact same corner that was posted up a lil while ago with that harley riding having a spill after being a hero pointing at the camera :mellow:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Very good series of shots. Good camera to cos they are clear and it looks like a fast set of corners.
He is low in shot one and got his arss off the seat but he has not pushed the bike back up to compensate. He looks to be pulling the bike down not pushing it up. He has no tyre left to ride on. So in Pic 2 it is all over no chance to save it cos the front has started to break out. Sparks could be from the foot pegs. Pic 3 he is dismounting and saying some bad words. He has air. From then on it is sad very feckin sad. His bike is representative of the mood he is probably in. The last pic is a look of relief. The tree was not his friend and he did not have to hug it. So not all was lost.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

The sparks will be from the rear axle (just like on my 600 hehehe) and there is nothing he could have done other than using a race type tyre (steeper profile) or going slightly slower...

Look I go and make a coffee and there are 5 new postings. Don't you people ever work.......... But I think you have the answer here. Nothing like experience aye TS. :niceone:

[Zed]

Those 1st two pics looked impressive, but it's pretty obvious that he took the corner far too wide, notice how he's on the wrong side of the road!! All this talk about crossing the centre line in other threads...let this be a reminder to us all! :p

[TonyB]

Aside from going a bit slower, what (from looking at the photos) if anything could you say he could have done better?
Got his shoulders over to the left more I reckon.

[Sniper]

Its an expensive lesson to be learnt though

[bugjuice]

Ive done better (literally)... He just rolled off the tyres... Unless you weigh 90+kgs you will probably never scrape the pegs on a modern 600 Supersport (i havent on my 600)

The sparks will be from the rear axle (just like on my 600 hehehe) and there is nothing he could have done other than using a race type tyre (steeper profile) or going slightly slower...
not always.. even wee ol' me managed managed to scrape my peg on a round about ;)

[The Stranger]

Ok it is difficult to say for sure given that camera angles can make things look different to how they really are, but I tend to agree with XP. It looks to me like his ass is on the correct side of the bike but his torso is cranked back up. Look at his head and neck in relation to the centre air duct.

If I am serious about a corner my torso is is down by the tank and I can only just get my outside hand to the outside grip. His outside elbow is quite bent, thus also suggesting his torso is quite upright (in relation to the bike at least).

Had his body and consequently COG been further inboard of the curve it may have allowed the bike to stand up more and not scrape and unload the rear wheel.

Not being critical, and obviously I wasn't there and I do realise this is hypothetical and that cameras kind of lie, but I just put it out there for discussion.

[onearmedbandit]

Those 1st two pics looked impressive, but it's pretty obvious that he took the corner far too wide, notice how he's on the wrong side of the road!! All this talk about crossing the centre line in other threads...let this be a reminder to us all! :p

To us all in America, or NZ Zed?

[Smorg]

To us all in America, or NZ Zed?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :killingme

[TonyB]

Ok it is difficult to say for sure given that camera angles can make things look different to how they really are, but I tend to agree with XP. It looks to me like his ass is on the correct side of the bike but his torso is cranked back up. Look at his head and neck in relation to the centre air duct.

If I am serious about a corner my torso is is down by the tank and I can only just get my outside hand to the outside grip. His outside elbow is quite bent, thus also suggesting his torso is quite upright (in relation to the bike at least).

Had his body and consequently COG been further inboard of the curve it may have allowed the bike to stand up more and not scrape and unload the rear wheel.

Not being critical, and obviously I wasn't there and I do realise this is hypothetical and that cameras kind of lie, but I just put it out there for discussion.
Agree totally with all of this. I have a pet theory that one of the reasons why Bayliss and Edwards, who were so shit hot in SBK can't cut it in MotoGP is because of their "hips off but torso centred" riding style. Look at Rossi and the other front runners- hips AND torso well to the inside. I had my bucket perched pecariously on a block of wood once. I found I could hang off in the Bayliss/ Edwards style without unbalancing the bike at all. So my theory is that they aren't actually altering the COG at all, hence the bike would corner just as well if they just sat still. And that is why they can't run at the front. In the era in which they roade SBK, they had the best bikes and the best tyres, so they had a considerable advantage equipment-wise. Just a theory!

[ghost]

:crybaby: my 2 cents. He lost in on the straightbefore the corner, two fast, wrong angle, probable that its a decreasing radius corner, in to hot, leaned to compensate, panic, close the throttle, load the front,wash the front out, front unloads sidways, bike completes frame / earth interface and he's along for the nature tour.

you get a fair pic one, set up, pic two, all over...

you get a lot for two cents sometimes...

[Zed]

To us all in America, or NZ Zed?:p in my previous post = PT

...I was gunna mention that he crossed the double yella lines too!!

[JohnBoy]

Heres one that i prepared earlier!!!

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4508

[dss3]

Heres one that i prepared earlier!!!

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4508

Aaaaw, she use to be so preedy didn't she!

[Phenoix]

Heres one that i prepared earlier!!!

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4508

So did she come back up again, or is the photo an example of no return ?

[Sniper]

Thats a no return.

[Bartman10]

A great series of photos. The loss of traction was probably casued by several factors. He's clearly not totally incompetent as a rider becasue photo 1 shows good poise. He's just gone in a bit hot for the photo shoot.

He's fortunate the road had a bit of a grass trap. Could have been real messy if there was a bank or cliff!

I don't think the dammage would be too bad on the bike overall.

[marty]

that's fucking ballsy in the wet sniper!

[onearmedbandit]

:p in my previous post = PT

...I was gunna mention that he crossed the double yella lines too!!

I thought as much Zed, hence why I didn't post something like "I think you'll find that picture was taken in America." Still, it made some people smile and if I can achieve that then my work here is done.

[JohnBoy]

Thats a no return.

yeah, thats a no return...
i suppose its what happens when you try to show off in front of mates with cameras!!

[Motoracer]

IMHO, the guy in the pics was just trying to lean real low for the camera, purely for looks alone when the speed he was traveling at wasn't fast enough for that lean angle. The front wheel being turned in supports this theory of mine.

Try getting your knee down in a car park at 20kmph, then try it at about 110kmph around a 55k corner on the open road. Get a mate to take pics of you. In both instances you will have the same lean angle and your knee on deck if you have enough skills to do so. However, for the 20kmph knee down, your front wheel will be turning into the same direction you are going to, while the faster 110kmph knee down picture of you should show the front wheel pointing straight ahead of the front of the bike rather than either left or right directions. If you are heavyly skilled or if you manage to fluke it, you might be going hard enough to have your front wheel facing the opposite direction of your turn. If you don't know what I mean, you can refer Nicky Hayden or Vallentino Rossi's display of skill at the MotoGP races.

If the guy in question in the pics knew the difference between what steering input is required for what speed at which lean angle, he would not have crashed. Not many people understand this even after years of riding in theory but the good riders out there will know it by the feel of things through experience.

[Posh Tourer :P]

Er actually no, the wheel should not be turned out while in the corner. You only flick the wheel the wrong way to get you off the straight line. It then goes back to straight or even turned inwards a bit....

However, by the second pic, definitely too much zing, lifting the front end, hence him turning in more to get some rubber on the road

Edit: should have quoted. This is for about post 6-ish

[Korea]

:crybaby: my 2 cents. He lost in on the straightbefore the corner, two fast, wrong angle, probable that its a decreasing radius corner, in to hot, leaned to compensate, panic, close the throttle, load the front,wash the front out, front unloads sidways, bike completes frame / earth interface and he's along for the nature tour.

True that, Ghost. Did we resolve whether this was in NZ or USA?
Everyone has some good theories on this which I agree with, but I also think it all went wrong before the corner.
I believe the rider turned in too early or too slowly. An early turn-in line through a corner will have you cranked over on the limits for a long time throughout the corner, and will send you wide at the exit - assuming you make it. I believe that if he'd turned in later, but steered quicker then he would have spent less time at maximum lean, but then the photos wouldn't have been so pretty, eh?

The Book 'Total Control' by Lee Parks has a lot of great info on this:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0760314039/qid=1129547844/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-8466941-9930232?v=glance&s=books&n=507846