Non fling chain lube

[SaferRides]

These are both a fail. The Castrol is useless - most ends up on the back wheel, not the chain. The Penrite 10 Tenths is better, but still gets on the wheel.

I'm trying to find something to use in winter when the roads are wet. My normal chain lube is some magical Du Pont stuff that never leaves marks on the wheel, but doesn't stop rust if the chain gets wet.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180630/3faeb4dc6004d93e4cb6743fb72ac7c0.jpg

[mulletman]

Whats the Du Pont stuff and where do you get it ?

[SaferRides]

DuPont Teflon Multi-use Dry, Wax Lubricant. Repco used to sell it, but I haven't seen it there for a while.
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[Blackbird]

DuPont Teflon Multi-use Dry, Wax Lubricant. Repco used to sell it, but I haven't seen it there for a while.
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I still have a can for general domestic use but I gather that DuPont withdrew it 2 or 3 years ago. There was some talk that the propellant or some other component adversely affected o rings. I used it for several years. I've used Maxima Teflon since then or one of the other Teflon products if I can't get Maxima. Lube every 500 km or so. Changed the chain and sprockets on my Street Triple at 60,000 km. The GSX-S 1000 has done 40,000 km and the chain and sprockets are still in great nick.

[SaferRides]

I've used it for years and the chain and sprockets on my bikes have lasted very well. Dirt just doesn't stick, and I usually clean the chain once or twice a year.

I'm on the last can now so will need to find a replacement. Thanks for the feedback on the Maxima lube.

The Penrite lube seems to stay on the chain well, but there are white spots all over the wheel. And I didn't even go that fast yesterday.

[george formby]

Wurth (https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_rev/29605) keeps popping up on overseas forums as recommended. Not sure if it's available in unzud. They used to do a graphite based lube which was pretty good.

[AllanB]

Bell Ray Super Clean Chain Lube

It's excellent stuff.

Heck I even use their chain cleaner (reminds himself to do that today as the weather looks shit).

Use as directed and it will not fling off. Spray on and leave ten minutes to set before riding.

http://www.belray.com/bel-ray-super-clean-chain-lube

http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/858-bel_ray_air_filter_chain_etc_o/4856-bel_ray_super_clean_chain_lube.aspx

[mulletman]

Great info update on this topic :2thumbsup

[Blackbird]

I've used it for years and the chain and sprockets on my bikes have lasted very well. Dirt just doesn't stick, and I usually clean the chain once or twice a year.

I'm on the last can now so will need to find a replacement. Thanks for the feedback on the Maxima lube.


If you can't find Maxima, the other one I like is Tirox. Pretty much the same properties as Maxima. Doesn't fling and keeps the chain spotless. Only clean mine about once a year too. I'm with you on Castrol products. Bought a can of Castrol O-R chain spray. Despite it saying non-fling on the can, it covered the back of the bike. Just use it on the boat trailer suspension now c:laugh:

[george formby]

For what it's worth, heh. I have a can of castrol at the mo, Warehouse's finest, and it does dribble everywhere but I always run my chain through some scrunched up plastic carrier bag after lubing. This removes the excess and distributes lube evenly over the chain. I get very little fling off it and my chain seems happy.

[husaberg]

Total
http://oilintel.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/chainlub_aerosol-89x123.jpg
it used to be called something else more famous ELF
But its the best stuff i have ever used.
I have used castrol, belray, PJ ,rock oil maxima and lots of others.
But Total is different it goes on very wet but dries solid. so it penetrates but doesn't fling off.
It has a solvent that dries very quick, but dont use it until it dries to a waxy surface.
Best stuff i ever used for MX bike in sand.

http://oilintel.co.nz/our-products/cars/motorcycle-chains/

[SaferRides]

Total
http://oilintel.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/chainlub_aerosol-89x123.jpg
it used to be called something else more famous ELF
But its the best stuff i have ever used.
I have used castrol, belray, PJ ,rock oil maxima and lots of others.
But Total is different it goes on very wet but dries solid. so it penetrates but doesn't fling off.
It has a solvent that dries very quick, but dont use it until it dries to a waxy surface.
Best stuff i ever used for MX bike in sand.

http://oilintel.co.nz/our-products/cars/motorcycle-chains/Thanks, sounds similar to the DuPont stuff I'm using. I'll try some.

[Owl]

Total


Where do you find that and what's the cost?

[Black Knight]

The website shows where to buy dependant on where you live.

[husaberg]

Where do you find that and what's the cost?


The website shows where to buy dependant on where you live.
Yip
http://oilintel.co.nz/contact/


Thanks, sounds similar to the DuPont stuff I'm using. I'll try some.

Might well be as they are both French.
Dupoint might be far easier to get as its sold at Repco or it was.
Looking at the spec its a teflon based product not sure what the Total one is, as its all written in Froggy.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/113179-DuPont-chain-lube-now-available-at-Repco

[Blackbird]

Might well be as they are both French.

The Tirox I'm currently using is French too - what is it with the French and teflon-based lube? Also, it goes on thin and clear and dries to a transluscent white. Bought mine from Boyds in Hamilton but it seems to be widely available.

[SaferRides]

Yip
http://oilintel.co.nz/contact/



Might well be as they are both French.
Dupoint might be far easier to get as its sold at Repco or it was.
Looking at the spec its a teflon based product not sure what the Total one is, as its all written in Froggy.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/113179-DuPont-chain-lube-now-available-at-Repco

DuPont is a US company - one of their staff invented Teflon.

I had a look at the words on the back of my last can of the DuPont chain lube. Looks like it was actually made by a company called Finish Line, who make a range of Teflon-based bike products.

Next time I'm in East Tamaki, I'll pick up a can of the Total stuff.

[F5 Dave]

I changed over to the Castrol one. Especially on the dirt bike it does a good job of staying on the rollers for a reasonable time. Use it on the roadbike as well. Yeah it is messy but I feel it is protecting the chain. I seem to be getting good mileage out of a set.
Wipe with kero on a rag from time to time.

[GazzaH]

Scottoil, in a Scottoiler. Get the drip rate right (not hard) and it just quietly does its thing. No drama.

[pritch]

Wurth keeps popping up on overseas forums as recommended. Not sure if it's available in unzud.

Wurth is a German chemical company and their products have a good reputation. There is an Auckland based NZ agent but they deal only with the trade. Anybody interested could ring their 0800 number and ask who they have supplied? It's a pity the arrangement is so Mickey Mouse, that must affect sales.

https://www.wurth.co.nz/en/wurth_nz/index.php

[MarkH]

Scottoil, in a Scottoiler. Get the drip rate right (not hard) and it just quietly does its thing. No drama.

I decided that on this bike I'd go with the Tutoro automatic chain oiler, using their chain syrup with anti-fling currently. Personally, I just hate messing with chain maintenance, so I'd much prefer an automatic oiler over pissing about with a spray can.

[george formby]

Scottoil, in a Scottoiler. Get the drip rate right (not hard) and it just quietly does its thing. No drama.


This is truth.

When a bike was my only means of transport on salty, wet roads or just wet roads, I used a Scottoiler. Never bothered with chain maintenance apart from the occasional wipe with a rag and minor tension adjustments once in a blue moon. Scottoiler sits between rattle can and shaft drive.

[husaberg]

Wurth is a German chemical company and their products have a good reputation. There is an Auckland based NZ agent but they deal only with the trade. Anybody interested could ring their 0800 number and ask who they have supplied? It's a pity the arrangement is so Mickey Mouse, that must affect sales.

https://www.wurth.co.nz/en/wurth_nz/index.php

The reps will supply individuals well the local one here supplies farmers.


DuPont is a US company - one of their staff invented Teflon.

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You sir are totally correct i just assumed it was froggy on account of the name.

[pritch]

The reps will supply individuals well the local one here supplies farmers.


Just by chance I went to a meeting Friday and parked outside was a car with Wurth sign writing. Inside I enquired who the driver was. He told me that Wurth NZ carry the full range of products and that they are aware their website is less than wonderful and are in the process of creating a new more accessible site.

Wurth do make good stuff, although cheap it ain't, but it is available. All 36,000 products IIRC.

[SaferRides]

Wurth do make good stuff, although cheap it ain't, but it is available. All 36,000 products IIRC.
They are a big company. 74,000 employees, €12.7 billion revenue.

[rustys]

Total
http://oilintel.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/chainlub_aerosol-89x123.jpg
it used to be called something else more famous ELF
But its the best stuff i have ever used.
I have used castrol, belray, PJ ,rock oil maxima and lots of others.
But Total is different it goes on very wet but dries solid. so it penetrates but doesn't fling off.
It has a solvent that dries very quick, but dont use it until it dries to a waxy surface.
Best stuff i ever used for MX bike in sand.

http://oilintel.co.nz/our-products/cars/motorcycle-chains/

Hi husaberg, what size is the can?

[nzspokes]

Scottoil, in a Scottoiler. Get the drip rate right (not hard) and it just quietly does its thing. No drama.

This^. For my everyday bandit, 35,000k chain is still fine. Hardly ever clean it. Only when Im about to fit a tyre so I dont get dirty hands. Just use WD40 and a brush to clean.

On my fun bike, just a squirt of silicone after each ride and a wipe down. Job done.

[malcy25]

Have used Motul chain lube for 30 years. Geez it is sticky as buggery. Always careful how and where I spray it (usually carefully at the inside run as it comes off the countershaft sprocket.

[pritch]

Have used Motul chain lube for 30 years. Geez it is sticky as buggery. Always careful how and where I spray it (usually carefully at the inside run as it comes off the countershaft sprocket.

I like Motul products and I used their chain lube. As you say though, it's very sticky, and I thought it was picking up every bit of grit from miles around which made it into grinding paste. So I bought a Scott oiler.

[SaferRides]

These are both a fail. The Castrol is useless - most ends up on the back wheel, not the chain. The Penrite 10 Tenths is better, but still gets on the wheel.

I'm trying to find something to use in winter when the roads are wet. My normal chain lube is some magical Du Pont stuff that never leaves marks on the wheel, but doesn't stop rust if the chain gets wet.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180630/3faeb4dc6004d93e4cb6743fb72ac7c0.jpgAn update on the Penrite after about 600 kms. There's still a good coating on the chain and it doesn't seem to attract dirt.

But it just keeps coating the back wheel, although that doesn't seem to get dirty either.

So a decent chain lube but a bit messy.

[mulletman]

Wurth (https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_rev/29605) keeps popping up on overseas forums as recommended. Not sure if it's available in unzud.

Its only availiable in the UK i confirmed this today at the ChCh branch, they did have another with the same ingredients on the shelf, 2 cans 1
showing a pic of a motorcycle with chain and sprocket and the label saying for x and o ring chains, the other showing a wheel on a track - this is the
can the rep gave me as he said its the same, so $22.50 for a 300ml can i got one today, came home after a ride and sprayed some on , goes on dry
we'll see how it goes.

[mulletman]

Total
http://oilintel.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/chainlub_aerosol-89x123.jpg
it used to be called something else more famous ELF
But its the best stuff i have ever used.
I have used castrol, belray, PJ ,rock oil maxima and lots of others.
But Total is different it goes on very wet but dries solid. so it penetrates but doesn't fling off.
It has a solvent that dries very quick, but dont use it until it dries to a waxy surface.
Best stuff i ever used for MX bike in sand.

http://oilintel.co.nz/our-products/cars/motorcycle-chains/

Tried the local branch and they dont have it , the rep said they use Chemz Moto chain lube on there dirt bikes and it dont fling,
he guaranteed it so i bought it tried it , it flung all over the place so i go back and re funded me today :) he did say that up in
Hastings there a containers waiting to be devanned and has an order including the above spray.

[husaberg]

Tried the local branch and they dont have it , the rep said they use Chemz Moto chain lube on there dirt bikes and it dont fling,
he guaranteed it so i bought it tried it , it flung all over the place so i go back and re funded me today :) he did say that up in
Hastings there a containers waiting to be devanned and has an order including the above spray.

Just remember to let it dry first. best time to oil chain is when its hot after a ride.
Someone asked the can size I don't recall and cant be arsed trying to find a empty can to look but it was probably one and a half to twice the size of the Castrol stuff.

[george formby]

Bit of food for thought. Mr Sweary reminded me that I used hypoid gear oil / EP 90 back in the day. A wee squeezy bottle of lube makes more sense than a lazy arse aerosol, too.

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and the peddlers perspective. Pertinent peddlers...

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/technical-tuesday-chain-lube-2010.html

Found these, and many more, finding out about PTFE.

[mulletman]

Just remember to let it dry first. best time to oil chain is when its hot after a ride..

Yep done both :niceone:

[SaferRides]

Back on topic...

I have to say that the Penrite stuff has lasted well. After 750 km there was a decent film left on the chain, and it still sounds quiet when you spin the back wheel. So I've sprayed a little more on the inside of the rollers and will see how it goes.

[Black Knight]

Just remember to let it dry first. best time to oil chain is when its hot after a ride.
Someone asked the can size I don't recall and cant be arsed trying to find a empty can to look but it was probably one and a half to twice the size of the Castrol stuff.

Can size is 500 ml-got mine from Whangarei distributor $12.50 a can-On initial application it seemed like kero in an aerosol can but not so,it does dry waxy and does not fling (too much)

[Banditbandit]

I've used Maxima Teflon since then or one of the other Teflon products if I can't get Maxima.

I use Maxima chain wax for years - can still buy it in Whakatane.

Revzilla stock it on line ..

https://www.revzilla.com/product_images/0215/1803/maxima_chain_wax_750x750.jpg

here ..

https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/maxima-chain-wax

[Owl]

I use Maxima chain wax for years - can still buy it in Whakatane.

Can buy it everywhere as Forbes & Davies are the importers. Though I notice the rrp has recently increased from $19.95 to $26.54

I like it but think I'll give that Total lube a go.

[SaferRides]

I might change my mind about the Penrite stuff. Seems like the can is over pressurised, so I probably applied too much the first time. There is definitely less chain noise, and a good film on the chain.

[pete-blen]

Natures wonder lubicant...
a block of bee's wax...

I use it on the lathe and mill tooling..
one day I rubed some on the bike chain.
useing ever since...

just find a half tame bee keeper and get yerself a block...

on a hot day/hot chain yer bike smells like honey...:shit:



..

[SaferRides]

I might change my mind about the Penrite stuff. Seems like the can is over pressurised, so I probably applied too much the first time. There is definitely less chain noise, and a good film on the chain.Nope, it's shit. I spent ages yesterday evening cleaning up the mess on the back wheel and swingarm because it sets almost hard once dirt sticks. It took 3 or 4 applications of WD40 to get the back wheel clean. I hate to think what it looks like inside the front sprocket cover.

[rok-the-boat]

In the UK there used to be a product with lard like oil in a pan. You cleaned the chain (non O-ring days) with petrol. Put it on the 'lard' like oil, and melt it on the stove. THe oil got right in the chain then kinda solidified when cold. You could wipe off most of the external stuff when it cooled down. It set like lard and water would just roll off it. It attracted dust but a wipe would take it off. Can't remember what it was called.

[Blackbird]

In the UK there used to be a product with lard like oil in a pan. You cleaned the chain (non O-ring days) with petrol. Put it on the 'lard' like oil, and melt it on the stove. THe oil got right in the chain then kinda solidified when cold. You could wipe off most of the external stuff when it cooled down. It set like lard and water would just roll off it. It attracted dust but a wipe would take it off. Can't remember what it was called.

I remember that stuff! The one I had was black, maybe molybdenum or similar in it. That was in the days when horsepowers were so low that chains were just held together with a fish link and easily removable :yes: No O rings on the chain and you just hung it up whilst hot over the lube tin to let most of it drain off before it cooled down.

[F5 Dave]

Oh lord it was duckams, thought that was covered earlier.

[Southern scratcher]

May as well throw my 10 cents worth in here, gleaned from 35 odd years of riding on the road and trying a myriad (big word for a friday that) of products.

Basically I have settled on two spray products, both mentioned here previously:

Belray super clean. This has been my go to for the last 10 years or so and the bonus is they also do a little 175ml can that I can tuck under my pillion seat when I'm on tour.

Total. A racer friend of mine is sponsored by a Total Lubricant distributor so I've been given some free product the last couple of years. Equally as good as the Belray IMO

Having said all of that I have riding buddies who swear by 80/90 gear oil and I was dubious of this but... I recently watched this fortnine shootout of chain lubes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnPYdcbcAe0
The presenter is highly annoying but if you get past that then it is of interest. Basically the gear oil is right up there with the best of the sprays.

Food for thought.

[Owl]

Total. A racer friend of mine is sponsored by a Total Lubricant distributor so I've been given some free product the last couple of years. Equally as good as the Belray IMO

I thought it was great as a lubricant, but still pretty messy. Even the distributor didn't rate it when selling it to me and preferred other products.


Having said all of that I have riding buddies who swear by 80/90 gear oil and I was dubious of this but... I recently watched this fortnine shootout of chain lubes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnPYdcbcAe0

The presenter is highly annoying but if you get past that then it is of interest. Basically the gear oil is right up there with the best of the sprays.



Food for thought.

Bought some gear oil after watching that video and even got a new oil can. Worst chain lube I've ever used. Difficult and messy to apply. Leaves a dry black film on wheel, much like CRC's Tac2. Didn't last, needing to be re-lubed repeatedly and caused tights spots on the chain.
I've since gone on to try Putoline dry chain lube (PTFE) and I'm much happier with that. Sprays like CRC 5.56 so gets in. Actually dries and tight spots in chain have disappeared. Rear wheel remains fairly clean too.

[SaferRides]

I thought it was great as a lubricant, but still pretty messy. Even the distributor didn't rate it when selling it to me and preferred other products.



Bought some gear oil after watching that video and even got a new oil can. Worst chain lube I've ever used. Difficult and messy to apply. Leaves a dry black film on wheel, much like CRC's Tac2. Didn't last, needing to be re-lubed repeatedly and caused tights spots on the chain.

My chain isn't the best after a couple of months of gear oil. Some of the links felt tight when I took the rear wheel off recently, and there's a new noise which seems to be road speed dependent. Seems the oil may have affected the O-rings or whatever letter they are now.

It seems a bit better after going back to the usual Du Pont stuff. Hoping it will be OK.



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[F5 Dave]

I'll just keep spraying the Castrol stuff on and wiping stuff with kerosene rag. Front sprocket area does need a clean out though.

[george formby]

I'll just keep spraying the Castrol stuff on and wiping stuff with kerosene rag. Front sprocket area does need a clean out though.

:laugh:Pretty much exactly where I'm at until the Castrol runs out.

[Blackbird]

Go to page 4 and 5 of the attached newsletter for a write-up and photos of the Grease Ninja. I recently bought one and am pretty impressed with this simple device for applying aerosol lube evenly and quickly. Doesn't always need to be a complicated solution. It's particularly good for my KTM as the bottom chain run is close to the swingarm.

[Southern scratcher]

Go to page 4 and 5 of the attached newsletter for a write-up and photos of the Grease Ninja. I recently bought one and am pretty impressed with this simple device for applying aerosol lube evenly and quickly. Doesn't always need to be a complicated solution. It's particularly good for my KTM as the bottom chain run is close to the swingarm.

Thanks for the link , I've just ordered one. Cost $29.50 NZD to get to NZ Post YouShop warehouse in Oregon.

[Blackbird]

Thanks for the link , I've just ordered one. Cost $29.50 NZD to get to NZ Post YouShop warehouse in Oregon.

Hope you enjoy it. For me, the one-handed operation whilst spinning the back wheel makes it all worthwhile. I still put an ice cream container lid on the floor just in front of the rear spocket just to catch any minor drip but to be honest, it's only a precaution.

[Odakyu-sen]

Ⅰ use chainsaw oil for the total-loss chain lube system I have on my R6. It's sticky and resists getting flung off. The trick is to keep the flow rate to a minimum so that the port side of your rear tire sidewall doesn't get coated in oil.

[george formby]

Ⅰ use chainsaw oil for the total-loss chain lube system I have on my R6. It's sticky and resists getting flung off. The trick is to keep the flow rate to a minimum so that the port side of your rear tire sidewall doesn't get coated in oil.

That's what I used to use when I had a Scott Oiler. $22 / 4ltr.

Perfick.

Thinking about it. It would probably work well off a toothbrush. Bit of a faff, but.

[Owl]

Grease Ninja.

Just bought one.

Really just needed an excuse to use up my PayPal balance. Good thing I like tools though.;)

[Blackbird]

Just bought one.

Really just needed an excuse to use up my PayPal balance. Good thing I like tools though.;)

Good stuff! I love tools too. Just splashed out on a really good Makita battery drill. Makes my 20 year old Black and Dekker look like a kid's toy - massive torque .