Cheaper faster broadband soon

[SpankMe]

About bloody time.

Faster and cheaper broadband internet access is finally on its way and consumers could benefit by Christmas.

The Commerce Commission yesterday cleared the way for increased competition among internet service providers by siding with many aspects of a TelstraClear application for access to Telecom's network.

The commission ruled that Telecom will be required to offer wholesale internet access to resellers at the maximum speeds its equipment is capable of delivering, rather than continue to impose its own limits.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10349994

All I need to unlimited usage and an upload speed to match my download speed and I could run KB from home.

[bugjuice]

I wouldn't hold your breath for too long there..

[Sniper]

I am going to hold my breath, prices should come down.

[bugjuice]

and you'll drop dead. Eventually they will, but Telecom will drag their heals about it. And still restrict the crap out of it too. As far as standards go, at the moment, NZ is on par with Mexico and the like.. yay for us..

[DemonWolf]

I hope this comes about in a timely manner.. but judging by past actions.. this will take its time.. and we'll see the benefits in a few years!

[Fart]

The Commerce Commission should split up Telecom and introduce more competition.

[WRT]

The Commerce Commission should split up Telecom and introduce more competition.

Next you will be trying to tell us they shouldnt have sold it in the first place . . .

:whistle:

[The Stranger]

SpankMe I think you miss the point of that article.
It has nothing to do with the public getting cheaper broadband at all.

What it is, is the commissioner advertising to Telecom that he wishes to retire soon and that his retirement fund is insufficient. He is merely inviting them to top it up - or else.

[bugjuice]

The Commerce Commission should split up Telecom and introduce more competition.
That's call Local Loop Unbundling. The commision went thru all this last year. The recommendation was to unbundle. Paul Swain sat on his fat arse for a few weeks, then probably took some back hander off Telecom and said not to unbundle. But to concentrate on bitstream, which is just a pile of crap for NZ at the moment, and it's low quality BS at that.
With the change in government, this could change. But, TCL is pulling out of certain areas anyway. Internet is still a go, don't need unbundling for that.

[enigma51]

That's call Local Loop Unbundling. The commision went thru all this last year. The recommendation was to unbundle. Paul Swain sat on his fat arse for a few weeks, then probably took some back hander off Telecom and said not to unbundle. But to concentrate on bitstream, which is just a pile of crap for NZ at the moment, and it's low quality BS at that.
With the change in government, this could change. But, TCL is pulling out of certain areas anyway. Internet is still a go, don't need unbundling for that.
You guys seem to forget why they dragged there heals with unbundle thing. It will affect there share price and take a stab at who all has shares in telecom. :psst:

[Sniper]

I don't care for the political mumbo jumbo. I want cheaper faster connection spoeeds at home.

[bugjuice]

You guys seem to forget why they dragged there heals with unbundle thing. It will affect there share price and take a stab at who all has shares in telecom. :psst:
trust me, I don't forget why.. I deal with this crap almost every day, working for one of them ;)
And most of Telecoms mula goes straight off-shore too..

[Back Fire]

About bloody time.

Faster and cheaper broadband internet access is finally on its way and consumers could benefit by Christmas.

The Commerce Commission yesterday cleared the way for increased competition among internet service providers by siding with many aspects of a TelstraClear application for access to Telecom's network.

The commission ruled that Telecom will be required to offer wholesale internet access to resellers at the maximum speeds its equipment is capable of delivering, rather than continue to impose its own limits.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1&ObjectID=10349994

All I need to unlimited usage and an upload speed to match my download speed and I could run KB from home.

hah... I'm still buggered... until smellycom upgrade the lines in our area (no way in hell) I can't get anything bar dailup.... :crybaby:

[TwoSeven]

People seem to misunderstand the article. It has nothing to do with cheaper broadband.

Download speed is a ratio of upload speed. You could offer someone 25mbit/s download but they couldnt use it because they are limited by the 128k upload. Most they'd ever achieve is 3.5mbit download (how its currently configured). If they changed the ratio to 128k/7.5mbit (which the article is talking about), no-one would be able to use it because the upload speed wouldnt be able to cope.

Remember, a TCP/IP packet (the way web data is formatted) thats sent requires a response to be received. So the number of packets you can bring down is limited to the number of responses you can send back.

This is even more noticible in online games that use UDP (another internet protocol) in which the ratio is very critical for balance of play (ask any first person shooter player about lag).

Telecon's network is very badly designed (the network designers must have been amatures). Its not capable of dealing with any sustainable capacity or end-user usage to any scale (other than basic web browsing). Basically they are using it to satisfy some government legislation and milk ARPU (average revenue per user).

In fact, I wouldnt be suprised if people dont start seeing capacity related issues ocurring more and more frequently (and a lot more arguing by telecon as they try and resist the expense yet another upgrade is going to cost them).

I've always wondered why shareholders invest in telecon, from a strategic teclo point of view, the company is dead in the water.

[el milanes]

I don't care for the political mumbo jumbo. I want cheaper faster connection spoeeds at home.

And possibly not capped and with the same speed in upload.
Come on, Internet here is ridicolous. The only good thing about the monopoly is that it has cleared the way for the first wireless networks: Woosh and Gasp, for the lucky fews (http://www.gasp.co.nz/SITE_Default/where.asp).

I've read that Telstra has lost interest in expanding beyond the big cities. But local unbundling could make them rethink that. Still a long way to go though.

[SpeedyGirl]

trust me, I don't forget why.. I deal with this crap almost every day, working for one of them ;)
And most of Telecoms mula goes straight off-shore too..


Same Here!!!! :spudwave: Give it up people..... they will fight it out in court for YEARS!!! :dodge:

[Storm]

Its "The Man" opressing all us poor brothers and sisters, thats what.


Still, maybe theres hope for my grandchildrens grandchildren to enjoy semi decent internet in years to come(Tui Ad)

[Hoon]

If they changed the ratio to 128k/7.5mbit (which the article is talking about), no-one would be able to use it because the upload speed wouldnt be able to cope.

Remember, a TCP/IP packet (the way web data is formatted) thats sent requires a response to be received. So the number of packets you can bring down is limited to the number of responses you can send back.

They don't say anything about offering 128k up with 7.5Mb down, that would be stupid. Min would have to be 512k up assuming a ACK packet is 40 bytes with MTU 576 + overhead =640bytes download so a u/d ratio of 6% in ideal situation.

Anyway its not the download speeds that I'm concerned about....its my monthly cap that I need more of!!

[TwoSeven]

Ditto - i've been bitching about our telstra cap for months now. They havnt changed anything for a couple of years. Its a real pain when you cant actually communicate effectively with people.

[Pixie]

Its "The Man" opressing all us poor brothers and sisters, thats what.


"Yeah! We want to be free to ride our machines without being hassled by The Man.
And we want to get loaded."

[Phenoix]

Now what would you be doing with an unlimited data cap now :psst:
Surly reading your emails wont consume 10Gig. :whistle:
But the "exchanging" of data would probably do it

[Indiana_Jones]

I wouldn't hold your breath for too long there..
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-Indy

[geoffm]

hah... I'm still buggered... until smellycom upgrade the lines in our area (no way in hell) I can't get anything bar dailup.... :crybaby:
My folks got Wired Country wireless recently through packingshed, due to the problems with their phone line. Seems to work ok. Might be worth a look if you are in the area.
Geoff

[pyrocam]

in the front page of the business herald today. a bunch of ISP's went to the commerce commision and winged because it wouldnt work.

and basically what telecom do is they allow 50 people per pipeline, that in itself is too many. and there arent enough pipelines in place to allow an entire suburb of shoreboys to download their latest Axel-F Crazy Frog remix mp3's at the same time without turning the highest speed internets into crappier than 56k connections.

if anyone wants to read the article ill get it scanned

[Beemer]

That would be awesome if it happens, because cost is the main reason I am not on broadband yet. I have a dial-up connection that usually runs at about 24kbs - pathetic! I could spend far less time on the net if pages opened faster! Bring it on, I say!

[sAsLEX]

My folks got Wired Country wireless recently through packingshed, due to the problems with their phone line. Seems to work ok. Might be worth a look if you are in the area.
Geoff

i got it and has some decent DL speeds of 150-200 KBs using torrents plus the cap doesnt seem to be imposed


out of the 30 OECD coutries only NZ and Mexico are yet to unbundle the local loop, and we pay the most for the shittest internet than the other too

[Brian d marge]

Right now I have absolutly NO idea about computers ,,,I switch it on it works ,,,and if it dont I reboot it till it does ,,or hit it ...or give it a drink

Anyway we signed up for 100Mb up and down fibre optic ....and we got a local speed of 33 Mbit and an International of 1.5 MBps not exactly the 100 that was advertised .....( isnt that sort of thing illeagal???)

Now I didnt even Know there was such a thing as an International speed ....

What would be a very good ( or the best ) internet around at the moment ??

I mean what I am getting at ,,is I am wanting to buy a used car ...I know nothing of cars ...but the salesman said it was a Porche ...but when I get it home I find out its only a trabant ...with one wheel missing ...so I ring up the help desk and they say what are you complaining about ,,,..every one else has the same ...and they dont complain .....

But you advertised a porche and sold me a trabant ......

So is this normal internet practice .... Just what exactly is this internet thing ,,,( now it seems to get a connection they talk to each other ...packets moving up as well as down ,,,,,)

What exactly IS the loop they are bundling .... wouldnt WiFi be cheaper ???

Signed
Internet confused ...

Stephen

[TwoSeven]

Now what would you be doing with an unlimited data cap now :psst:
Surly reading your emails wont consume 10Gig. :whistle:
But the "exchanging" of data would probably do it

Try watching on demand tv, or a vid conf with someone.

[Lias]

Now what would you be doing with an unlimited data cap now :psst:
Surly reading your emails wont consume 10Gig. :whistle:
But the "exchanging" of data would probably do it

One month I clocked up 28gb of traffic without a single p2p app open. With P2P software running I reguarly hit 65+gb a month, and thats on a puny 256k connection.

Give me a 10mb connection and I'll bankrupt myself buying blank DVD's :headbang:

Compare our broadband to Hong Kong.. 100mb/s ethernet to your door, US$34 a month.. 10mb/s for US$16. Hell you can get 1Gb/s for USD$215. I know HK is very compact and largely very dense housing, but it sure throws out Telescums claims about data costing too much because of our geographical location.

PS: I would buy movies and music if they were reasonably priced.. When songs are about 10 cents each, and movies are $1-2, I'll start paying for em instead of copying em.. Until then, I'll keep pirating everything I can get my hands on, and sharing it for free. And dont get me started on the price of software.