Why bother with leathers?

[Moi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alBAmO9KtL4

[Oakie]

Mrs Oakie got passed on her 250 by a speedy cyclist coming down Dyers Pass Road a few years ago.

[AllanB]

I was watching waiting for the big arse crash.

So my question is - do cycle tyres have a speed rating?

[nzspokes]

I was watching waiting for the big arse crash.

So my question is - do cycle tyres have a speed rating?

No they dont need one.

[caspernz]

No they dont need one.

Well at that pace they hardly need a speed rating anyway...:devil2:

[neels]

That road has been hit hard by the yellow stripey monster.

Can't have been that quick on the bike if he was still pedalling, I wonder how oblivious nana at the front was of the traffic behind.....

[nzspokes]

Well at that pace they hardly a speed rating anyway...:devil2:

Whats the speed rating of your 11r's?

[caspernz]

Whats the speed rating of your 11r's?

Well for starters we don't run 11R's on anything anymore, as far as I'm aware. Most of the rubber is rated L which translates to 120 km/h and some of new size super singles are rated M which is 130 km/h. Moot point since we're limited at 90 km/h. Oh, and all clean skins by Mr Bridgestone.

[YellowDog]

Yip, it seems like it would be safe for us to all swap our leathers for summer lycras :lol:

Hate to see what a mess the road would make of his skin :facepalm:

[Swoop]

Was watching a vid on EweChoob recently...

A few chaps were on rented scroters in Africaland, on a dirt road full of potholes.
These guys were doing "OK" I guess until a downhill part, where they got passed by a local chap on a pushbike.
I had to laugh when the psychlist was filmed cradling a live, large chicken in his left arm.

Awesome skills taking dinner home to the family!

[Katman]

Was watching a vid on EweChoob recently...

A few chaps were on rented scroters in Africaland, on a dirt road full of potholes.
These guys were doing "OK" I guess until a downhill part, where they got passed by a local chap on a pushbike.
I had to laugh when the psychlist was filmed cradling a live, large chicken in his left arm.

Awesome skills taking dinner home to the family!

Wow, that was thrilling.

[nzspokes]

Well for starters we don't run 11R's on anything anymore, as far as I'm aware. Most of the rubber is rated L which translates to 120 km/h and some of new size super singles are rated M which is 130 km/h. Moot point since we're limited at 90 km/h. Oh, and all clean skins by Mr Bridgestone.

Probably why I have a warehouse full of 11r's then.:laugh:

[Swoop]

Wow, that was thrilling.
It was a pleasant laugh.

You should try it sometime.

[Laava]

It was a pleasant laugh.

You should try it sometime.

Lol! Why do This make me think of the sergeant in the radio station on Good Morning Vietnam.

[Paul in NZ]

My younger brother (RIP) rode in the World Masters 5 times for NZ...

He reckoned the scariest thing was descending European alps in the Peloton with 300 ex pro cyclists at warp factor 5 with these guys literally cm away and him just praying please don't let me fuck this up....

Having just graduated to semi road bikes and riding feckin miles on mountain bikes now... You get all the thrills and scares without the tickets...

[JimO]

i have had a few wines and read the title of this post as My brothers a lesbian

[R650R]

I was watching waiting for the big arse crash.

So my question is - do cycle tyres have a speed rating?

I had a nosey while getting some bits for my mountain bike awhile ago... they do have "not for highway use" stamped on the sidewalls....
So take a note of that and some photos if your ever in an accident involving one of these boy racer cyclists. A few pics of the sidewalls, the pedals without any reflectors and no front or rear reflectors and should end any court case pretty quick...
Also if its part of an event id be having the organisors under OSH. Doesn't matter that its a tradition to be unprotected, racing cars used to have no fireproof suits or neck braces etc but they upped their game

Just watch out for this new fad.... riding around with no brakes is apparently a cool thing....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4894492/Cyclist-killed-mother-two-faces-jail.html

[OddDuck]

Sounds like that particular twat got what he earned.

Fixies - and guys bombing downhill streets like say Wellington's The Terrace on longboards - it's been happening for a while. That and drift trikes for suburban downhills. Not much chance of stopping safely on any of them in an emergency situation but then again the risk is most of the point. It's just young guys proving themselves, that's nothing new and it's not going to go away.

E-bikes are starting to be a bit more common downtown but they're being ridden by long-term commuters, they tend to be a lot more considerate.

[nzspokes]

I had a nosey while getting some bits for my mountain bike awhile ago... they do have "not for highway use" stamped on the sidewalls....
So take a note of that and some photos if your ever in an accident involving one of these boy racer cyclists. A few pics of the sidewalls, the pedals without any reflectors and no front or rear reflectors and should end any court case pretty quick...
Also if its part of an event id be having the organisors under OSH. Doesn't matter that its a tradition to be unprotected, racing cars used to have no fireproof suits or neck braces etc but they upped their game

Just watch out for this new fad.... riding around with no brakes is apparently a cool thing....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4894492/Cyclist-killed-mother-two-faces-jail.html

Its not been OSH for many years.

Brakeless has been around for decades.

[pritch]

I had a nosey while getting some bits for my mountain bike awhile ago... they do have "not for highway use" stamped on the sidewalls....
So take a note of that and some photos if your ever in an accident involving one of these boy racer cyclists. A few pics of the sidewalls, the pedals without any reflectors and no front or rear reflectors and should end any court case pretty quick...
Also if its part of an event id be having the organisors under OSH. Doesn't matter that its a tradition to be unprotected, racing cars used to have no fireproof suits or neck braces etc but they upped their game

Just watch out for this new fad.... riding around with no brakes is apparently a cool thing....



The "Not for highway use" may just be there to stop the manufacturer being sued in the US of A. It could well be completely be completely meaningless here. Cycle tyres are not manufactured specifically for this market.

I just took a look at pedals on a major cycling retail website. Very few road bike pedals have reflectors. Most clip-in pedals have nowhere to put them anyway.

Fixed wheel bikes have been around forever.

By all means take your photos, the court case may well be over quickly but not necessarily how you expect.


Bugga! Got sidetracked. Was going to mention that some years back the cops here had a blitz on bikes and scooters, and after checking licence and rego they delivered a lecture on appropriate riding gear. So I'm sitting there on my moped, fully dressed but not specifically motorcycle dressed, getting a lecture about riding gear while cyclists are riding past with no protective gear but their helmet. And some of them go the same speed as a moped in places.

I guess expecting logic is a bit unrealistic.

[Ocean1]

E-bikes are starting to be a bit more common downtown but they're being ridden by long-term commuters, they tend to be a lot more considerate.

Someone told me the other day that there were plans to change the rules for E-bikes, moving away from the simple <600W rule to a requirement to have no hand throttle, simply a power assist function. All sounds very killjoy.

[Blackbird]

Someone told me the other day that there were plans to change the rules for E-bikes, moving away from the simple <600W rule to a requirement to have no hand throttle, simply a power assist function. All sounds very killjoy.

Someone I know recently imported a 1kw hub/wheel assembly, battery, controller and instrument display through AliExpress. Cost just over NZ1,000 inc freight. He's put it in his old mountain bike. How is officialdom going to deal with this? Short of stopping all imports, I can't see how it can be controlled.

[nzspokes]

Someone told me the other day that there were plans to change the rules for E-bikes, moving away from the simple <600W rule to a requirement to have no hand throttle, simply a power assist function. All sounds very killjoy.

A throttle is the clear definition of difference between a bicycle and a scooter. Most sold here are the 300w standard as used in the EU. And assistance up to 32kph.

And there are shit tons being sold.

[nzspokes]

Someone I know recently imported a 1kw hub/wheel assembly, battery, controller and instrument display through AliExpress. Cost just over NZ1,000 inc freight. He's put it in his old mountain bike. How is officialdom going to deal with this? Short of stopping all imports, I can't see how it can be controlled.

I cant see how you would control a 1kw motor on a standard mtb either. It will pull itself apart.

[Blackbird]

I cant see how you would control a 1kw motor on a standard mtb either. It will pull itself apart.

Well you'd be wrong. It goes just fine in the 2 weeks he's been running about on it! :rolleyes:

[Graystone]

That looked sketchy as fuck!


I cant see how you would control a 1kw motor on a standard mtb either. It will pull itself apart.

It's through Aliexpress, be lucky to get 300W out of it before it shits itself anyway.

[Laava]

Cmon mate, do it yourthelf!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HIhfwjWuj-I
Fast forward to 9.30min to see 9000W of ebike madness!

[scumdog]

Yip, it seems like it would be safe for us to all swap our leathers for summer lycras :lol:

Hate to see what a mess the road would make of his skin :facepalm:


Yep, we all thought about that last line above!
:msn-wink:

[scumdog]

I cant see how you would control a 1kw motor on a standard mtb either. It will pull itself apart.


There was a steam powered one at Dunedin 1/4 mile sprint a few years ago - I think it got to 130kph or so before the finish line.

[scumdog]

The "Not for highway use" may just be there to stop the manufacturer being sued in the US of A. It could well be completely be completely meaningless here. Cycle tyres are not manufactured specifically for this market.

I just took a look at pedals on a major cycling retail website. Very few road bike pedals have reflectors. Most clip-in pedals have nowhere to put them anyway.

Fixed wheel bikes have been around forever.

By all means take your photos, the court case may well be over quickly but not necessarily how you expect.


Bugga! Got sidetracked. Was going to mention that some years back the cops here had a blitz on bikes and scooters, and after checking licence and rego they delivered a lecture on appropriate riding gear. So I'm sitting there on my moped, fully dressed but not specifically motorcycle dressed, getting a lecture about riding gear while cyclists are riding past with no protective gear but their helmet. And some of them go the same speed as a moped in places.

I guess expecting logic is a bit unrealistic.


Yeah, no rear light, no front light, no reflector - $165 from memory....

[Ocean1]

A throttle is the clear definition of difference between a bicycle and a scooter. Most sold here are the 300w standard as used in the EU. And assistance up to 32kph.

And there are shit tons being sold.

The wife's is both, you set what assist you want but you have to pedal to get it, but the LH half-grip throttle over-rides that. I've seen a lot like that.

Removing the throttle option sound very like the sort of PC bullshit the various green lobby groups indulge in. Like, "if you don't HAVE to pedal then it must be an evel motorcycle and must be banned.

[pritch]

Yeah, no rear light, no front light, no reflector - $165 from memory....

At night I hope?

[FJRider]

Someone I know recently imported a 1kw hub/wheel assembly, battery, controller and instrument display through AliExpress. Cost just over NZ1,000 inc freight. He's put it in his old mountain bike. How is officialdom going to deal with this? Short of stopping all imports, I can't see how it can be controlled.



By the usual methods ... A ticket from a nice Police officer.

The rules ...

1. there is no speed limit other than the limit posted on the road

2. power is limited to 300W

3. most places you can ride a MTB are considered roads (anywhere public have access)

https://electricbikesnz.com/2016/08/17/what-are-the-e-bike-laws-in-nz/


Ride it on the road and you may get charged under the moped rules (if it is capable of more than 50 km/hr)

Exceeding that on the road will probably mean much more serious (expensive) charges.

[nzspokes]

Well you'd be wrong. It goes just fine in the 2 weeks he's been running about on it! :rolleyes:

Having seen the results of home conversions, lets wait and see. Most do the conversions on cheap shit bikes with cheap shit brakes. Either they snap a dropout or rip a brake mount off.

Least he will end up with an e-unicycle. :facepalm:

[nzspokes]

The wife's is both, you set what assist you want but you have to pedal to get it, but the LH half-grip throttle over-rides that. I've seen a lot like that.

Removing the throttle option sound very like the sort of PC bullshit the various green lobby groups indulge in. Like, "if you don't HAVE to pedal then it must be an evel motorcycle and must be banned.

Just because you have one doesnt make it legal. :bleh:

But why bother having pedals then?

[Ocean1]

Just because you have one doesnt make it legal. :bleh:

But why bother having pedals then?

It's the model developed for NZ Post, so you'd fucking hope it was road legal.

Because she wants the exercise, but most of the rides she does from home, (so not having to load the bike up onto the SUV) are longer than she's comfortable doing or involve sections she can only ride with a little help. Like, if she rides the length of the Hutt valley to visit friends and the wind picks up before she returns then she doesn't end up walking 20k home.

Also: fuck the nanny state bureaucrats.

[oldrider]

This thread is beginning to read like the minutes of a Green party AGM! :facepalm:

[Ocean1]

This thread is beginning to read like the minutes of a Green party AGM! :facepalm:

Only there's no demands for free E-bikes for dole bludgers.

[Blackbird]

By the usual methods ... A ticket from a nice Police officer.

Yep, that's the point I was making. As long as you don't draw attention to yourself, who would know what's legal or not?

[nzspokes]

Yep, that's the point I was making. As long as you don't draw attention to yourself, who would know what's legal or not?

It is something thats on the Laws radar now. Some regs will be done but there will be no enforcement as usual.

[Ocean1]

It is something thats on the Laws radar now. Some regs will be done but there will be no enforcement as usual.

Until some rabid green back bencher gets into the ear of the police commissioner.

And then there'll be no end of fucking stupidity.

Did I mention fuck nanny state bureaucrats?

[FJRider]

As long as you don't draw attention to yourself ...

I would guess ... 80% of all the traffic offence notices issued ... THIS would be the reason.

[Paulo]

This made me chuckle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX8Ui5DWozY

[Moi]

This made me chuckle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX8Ui5DWozY

He's got a strong backing team: Santa Maria, Madonna del Ghisallo and Christopher...

[AllanB]

Won't be long before they get number plates and rego charges on the e-bikes.

Can't miss a chance to set up some committee to look into it then drag out a new tax.

Filling up the car for the week ahead this afternoon I notice it's gone up again - $2.33 a liter for 95 :weird: I may need to park up the XR6 soon and take the lads wee 1986 Ford Laser - it's cheaper to run.

On that subject, I sat in the passenger seat some weeks back while my daughter drove back to Dunedin. She has a 1999 Toyota Corolla 1.8 auto. Darn thing got smack on 6.0 l per 100 kms on that trip.

[oldrider]

Filling up the car for the week ahead this afternoon I notice it's gone up again - $2.33 a liter for 95 :weird: I may need to park up the XR6 soon and take the lads wee 1986 Ford Laser - it's cheaper to run.

On that subject, I sat in the passenger seat some weeks back while my daughter drove back to Dunedin. She has a 1999 Toyota Corolla 1.8 auto. Darn thing got smack on 6.0 l per 100 kms on that trip.

Obviously mainly due to her driving ability - well done. :yes:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Someone I know recently imported a 1kw hub/wheel assembly, battery, controller and instrument display through AliExpress. Cost just over NZ1,000 inc freight. He's put it in his old mountain bike. How is officialdom going to deal with this? Short of stopping all imports, I can't see how it can be controlled.

I've been looking very carefully at them myself. I have a decent commuter bike and have been going down the mid-drive Bafang BB02 route with a 48V battery.... yes it will be more than 300W, and no I'm not too stressed about it.

Drove my first electric car a couple weeks back too. It was great. Perfect as a town car... so much so that I am seriously considering one.

[Blackbird]

I've been looking very carefully at them myself. I have a decent commuter bike and have been going down the mid-drive Bafang BB02 route with a 48V battery.... yes it will be more than 300W, and no I'm not too stressed about it.

Drove my first electric car a couple weeks back too. It was great. Perfect as a town car... so much so that I am seriously considering one.

Cool! My mate said that he got a peak top speed of 45 km/hr on the flat from his yesterday. It would hardly attract unwanted attention, especially where we live 😁.

At the last IAM conference, I got to ride a Scott electric pedal-assist bike which was really impressive. Also drove a Nissan Leaf and the Renault equivalent. It was the torque off the line which impressed the heck out of me. One of the Wellington members has a Tesla. It's hellishly expensive but has serious performance and range, despite the odd bit of adverse press.

[nzspokes]

As a side note, Ebikes over 300w seem to not be able to be insured. And a bit touch and go on lower powered ones.

[WALRUS]

Personally, if I was overtaking traffic on the hard shoulder/in the same lane, on the downhill.. I'd definitely want leathers.. Well, anything more than some lycra and a polystyrene skull-cap. I've got no beef with cyclists, most of the ones down here are alright at sharing the road and being reasonable, but far-out, I wouldn't go on the road, in traffic, in the stupid silly thin 'gear' they wear!

THIS is more like it..

https://i0.wp.com/northernlifemagazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Guy-Martin-4.jpg

[Big Dog]

Personally, if I was overtaking traffic on the hard shoulder/in the same lane, on the downhill.. I'd definitely want leathers.. Well, anything more than some lycra and a polystyrene skull-cap. I've got no beef with cyclists, most of the ones down here are alright at sharing the road and being reasonable, but far-out, I wouldn't go on the road, in traffic, in the stupid silly thin 'gear' they wear!

THIS is more like it..

https://i0.wp.com/northernlifemagazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Guy-Martin-4.jpgAs a dare I once rode a race pushy at full tilt (for much fitter 20 yo me). Even without the other protection that's about as close to heat exhaustion as I ever want to get.