Tt2000 2019

[PistonBlown]

Yippee, TT2000 Checkpoints and Registration have appeared. http://www.tt2000.org

[BMWST?]

can you give a explanation of what this is and would it be suitable for someone who has never donre this sort of thing before on a new to them bike???

edit never mind i am looking at the web site......

[PistonBlown]

The web site is a good place to start, what I've said before when asked what doing the TT2000 is like:

The TT2000 is the most fun you can have on a bike (or trike) in a weekend.
Its for people who have a motorbike to ride it and are happiest in that perfect state of oneness with bike, road and landscape.
It's spending, surprisingly enjoyable, hours of planning and tweaking the route, stops etc (not to mention tracking down the mystery checkpoints).
The formats loose enough that, though there's the set checkpoints and targets, you can also have your own.
You often ride solo but at many of the checkpoints you meet other riders and chat, or wave as you see others riding the other way. An unusual fraternity.
[*}It's about riding roads you've never ridden, experiencing new views and places.

The idea of doing 2000km in one go can seem daunting first time around. Though its a 48 hour event you start midday Friday and finish midday Sunday. This means you really only have one day when you're riding all day and you also have two nights sleep. Having checkpoints also means you have regular stops to stretch, drink, etc. The checkpoint side also means that you're just thinking about it being, say, 70km to the next checkpoint rather than how many km's you've still got to do to the finish.

My only warning is - once you've done one you'll be addicted.

[BMWST?]

The web site is a good place to start, what I've said before when asked what doing the TT2000 is like:

The TT2000 is the most fun you can have on a bike (or trike) in a weekend.
Its for people who have a motorbike to ride it and are happiest in that perfect state of oneness with bike, road and landscape.
It's spending, surprisingly enjoyable, hours of planning and tweaking the route, stops etc (not to mention tracking down the mystery checkpoints).
The formats loose enough that, though there's the set checkpoints and targets, you can also have your own.
You often ride solo but at many of the checkpoints you meet other riders and chat, or wave as you see others riding the other way. An unusual fraternity.
[*}It's about riding roads you've never ridden, experiencing new views and places.

The idea of doing 2000km in one go can seem daunting first time around. Though its a 48 hour event you start midday Friday and finish midday Sunday. This means you really only have one day when you're riding all day and you also have two nights sleep. Having checkpoints also means you have regular stops to stretch, drink, etc. The checkpoint side also means that you're just thinking about it being, say, 70km to the next checkpoint rather than how many km's you've still got to do to the finish.

My only warning is - once you've done one you'll be addicted.

sounds cool.So you sortout your route and presumabaly sort some accomodation for friday and sat night as well as planning fuel stop etc.You must have to keep moving though!If you take out say 9 hrs for each night that leaves 30 hours only.....2000/30 = 67 km hr average speed.That already sounds challenging !

[banditrider]

sounds cool.So you sortout your route and presumabaly sort some accomodation for friday and sat night as well as planning fuel stop etc.You must have to keep moving though!If you take out say 9 hrs for each night that leaves 30 hours only.....2000/30 = 67 km hr average speed.That already sounds challenging !

Piece of cake :)

I budget on 80km/h average on tar and 50 on gravel. Usually do a lot better than that (esp in South Island) and am considering lifting those a little. I allow 10mins for fuel stops and 5 for checkpoints and always aim to beat that too. My ride notes have my expected ETA's to checkpoints so I can keep an eye on how I'm doing and potentially drop or add checkpoints. Last year I finished just after 10am with around 2350km.

http://banditrider.weebly.com/route-planning.html
http://banditrider.weebly.com/tt2000.html

[BMWST?]

Piece of cake :)

I budget on 80km/h average on tar and 50 on gravel. Usually do a lot better than that (esp in South Island) and am considering lifting those a little. I allow 10mins for fuel stops and 5 for checkpoints and always aim to beat that too. My ride notes have my expected ETA's to checkpoints so I can keep an eye on how I'm doing and potentially drop or add checkpoints. Last year I finished just after 10am with around 2350km.

http://banditrider.weebly.com/route-planning.html
http://banditrider.weebly.com/tt2000.html

yeah right.....the actual number of points required is only advised at the breifing.Or earlier than that?What grmin do you have.I use a garmin in the car but not on the bike.Ussually cos i dont have any particular place to go.Although i use basecamp i dont like it much

[Hairymcsweary]

yeah right.....the actual number of points required is only advised at the breifing.Or earlier than that?

Points required are already known, 100,000 out of a possible 300000 and this year 16 stops are compulsory worth 5000 ea, so you only need 4 additional stops to get points.
Looking forward to it again, gonna give it a crack this year on the Harley, done 2 previous on a Triumph Sprint ST.

[FJRider]

sounds cool.So you sortout your route and presumabaly sort some accomodation for friday and sat night as well as planning fuel stop etc.You must have to keep moving though!If you take out say 9 hrs for each night that leaves 30 hours only.....2000/30 = 67 km hr average speed.That already sounds challenging !

According to my calculator ... 2000 km's in 48 hours will give you a needed average of 41.666666666 km/hr to finish in/on time. I've done six 1000 mile rallys (1635km's in 24 hours) and the clock keeps ticking from start to finish time. While you're riding/eating/sleeping ... that clock keeps ticking. Stop and your average speed drops rapidly.

The tt2000 can be looked at as being two 1000 km day rides ... ridden consecutively. Just allow time for the required checkpoint stops.

I might even give this one a go myself ... ;)

[PistonBlown]

As its from midday Friday to midday Sunday you could actually think of it as 500 one day, 1000 the second and then 500 the third. Though my preferred approach is to do as much as possible on the Friday while I'm fresh and then take it easy Sunday morning - that way I've got some spare capacity on the Sunday if I'm behind.

The speed when travelling is not the problem, being the South Island the roads are clear for the most part. The trick is to get your time at stops at the checkpoints and petrol stations down to a minimum. If you take BanditRiders example of 20 checkpoints at 5 minutes each and 10 petrol stops at 10 minutes each then that's 2 hours and 20 minutes gone riding no where. My petrol and checkpoint stops are a bit like formula 1 pit stops:-) I prefer to do this and then not worry if I have a long stop if I start to feel fatigued.

Before I did my first TT2000's I practiced doing the checkpoint stops, stopping the bike getting the t-shirt out, taking the photo, putting everything back and sorting out the directions for the next one. Felt a bit of a idiot doing it at first but I also got the process down pat.

Speaking from experience you can actually do a lot more than 2000km in the time available and still find time to sleep:-)

[FJRider]

The checkpoints themselves aren't a problem ... but the flyers will be time consuming. But as all involve about 60-70 km's of off the main roads ... with little chance of being policed ... :innocent:

The Kaikoura coast in darkness may be on the cards ... or not. Weather and the rebuild permitting. Still ... I'd be looking at doing that bit first.

[FJRider]

Having checkpoints also means you have regular stops to stretch, drink, etc. The checkpoint side also means that you're just thinking about it being, say, 70km to the next checkpoint rather than how many km's you've still got to do to the finish.

My only warning is - once you've done one you'll be addicted.

On such rides ... the three things you need to be thinking of ... in order of priority.

1. The next few km's of road ahead ... in particular the 100 meters of road directly in front of you.

2. The next checkpoint.

3. Where and when you'll need fuel. Don't think too far ahead ... it'll do your head in.

A 5 liter container will give you more fuel stop options and remove the need to sidetrack to get fuel.

[JMemonic]

It took me about 20 minutes to plan a route in Mapsource, I am currently 30Kms short of the required distance, and have included one of the mystery checkpoints, (#3 as it's the only one I knew off the top of my head), for a total of 123000 points. I made a concession for Danseys pass as it's achievable on a road bike with no issues. This year looks to be a good weekend run.

[PistonBlown]

I've got my route planned out, though haven't decided which way around yet or where I'm stopping to sleep. Strangely when I reverse the route in basecamp its 20km longer anti-clockwise vs clockwise:-S

At the moment I'm planning to try and do every Adventure one but may end up having to turn back on some if I come to a river/stream crossing or a track that's too impassible for my Spyder.

I'm going to be checking a few out beforehand to see if they are possible.

[BMWST?]

well you guys are awesome.Its been at least a couple of hours and i am still somewhere down Otago.With the help of some you tube videos i am sorta making some headway with basecamp but at times it does bizarre things like add a big loop down throgh palmerston for no expicable reason.There arent any points down there.

[FJRider]

... Strangely when I reverse the route in basecamp its 20km longer anti-clockwise vs clockwise:-S



More right-hand corners ... makes you travel further .... :innocent:

[JMemonic]

well you guys are awesome.Its been at least a couple of hours and i am still somewhere down Otago.With the help of some you tube videos i am sorta making some headway with basecamp but at times it does bizarre things like add a big loop down throgh palmerston for no expicable reason.There arent any points down there.

I haven't played with basecamp, (does it accept the maps from NZ open GPS?), but check your avoidance settings, you might has avoid unpaved roads set hence the big loop, I am actually doing that loop and dropped Danseys as I needed the kilometres.

[wpoll]

I've got my route planned out, though haven't decided which way around yet or where I'm stopping to sleep. Strangely when I reverse the route in basecamp its 20km longer anti-clockwise vs clockwise:-S

At the moment I'm planning to try and do every Adventure one but may end up having to turn back on some if I come to a river/stream crossing or a track that's too impassible for my Spyder.

I'm going to be checking a few out beforehand to see if they are possible.

There's at least three ADV checkpoint you'll be struggling to reach on the Spyder... Even if you put knobbies on it. :no:

[wpoll]

I haven't played with basecamp, (does it accept the maps from NZ open GPS?), but check your avoidance settings, you might has avoid unpaved roads set hence the big loop, I am actually doing that loop and dropped Danseys as I needed the kilometres.

Yep, Basecamp works well with NZ OpenGPS maps - this combo is the primary toolset for creating each TT event, along with Google Maps (for cross-checking). :niceone:

[JMemonic]

There's at least three ADV checkpoint you'll be struggling to reach on the Spyder... Even if you put knobbies on it. :no:

Now that would be a sight to see, an off road spyder.

[JMemonic]

Yep, Basecamp works well with NZ OpenGPS maps - this combo is the primary toolset for creating each TT event, along with Google Maps (for cross-checking). :niceone:

Cheers Wayne, I might have to look at basecamp for the future, nice looking map for this year btw. Now to try and get my body sorted out so I can do this.

[wpoll]

Now that would be a sight to see, an off road spyder.

Wouldn't it just...! :rolleyes:

Actually, my call on what is suitable for a Spyder and what isn't suitable is based on my own experience of riding one - nada. Knowing where PistonBlown has taken his in the past I'm guessing there is only one ADV checkpoint that is out of reach for a three-wheeler. :2thumbsup

[BMWST?]

I haven't played with basecamp, (does it accept the maps from NZ open GPS?), but check your avoidance settings, you might has avoid unpaved roads set hence the big loop, I am actually doing that loop and dropped Danseys as I needed the kilometres.
yes i am using nzopen maps.The "profile" thing bugs me.i have used driving and motorcycling.basecamp has a list of about 10 avoidances,i made sure "unpaved roads" and u turns were allowed .Sometimes the profile shows up as "none"
what do you use mapsource?I am thinking i might just have all the waypoints loaded on the gps and go that way.
This is just telling basecamp to form a route using the way points frm start to start point.I have discoverd shaping points but it still does these weird little loops.I do like how basecamp lets you organise stuff

[wpoll]

Basecamp IS pretty good at organising data - I have it set up with more than a few TT events! :niceone:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2nq9u8x.jpg

[PistonBlown]

So you guys haven't heard about the mod's I've made last weekend? ;-)

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(Hopefully the picture actually works this time)

PS Wayne, Don't suppose you'd give me a hit on which three (or one) to avoid?

[wpoll]

So you guys haven't heard about the mod's I've made last weekend? ;-)

....

PS Wayne, Don't suppose you'd give me a hit on which three (or one) to avoid?

That's exactly the sort of image I had in mind when I made the comment! Hah... typical that someone has actually gone and done it... :woohoo:

The Ashburton ADV Flyer is a few hundred metres down a narrow, sandy river-side track - more single track than road. Depending on how many 4x4 vehicles have been down it recently, it can have some deep ruts hidden amongst the sand and broome. Not recommended for a Spyder!

The Kurow ADV Flyer is part-way up the Meyers Pass Road, which runs from the Hakataramea Valley and Waihaorunga. The approach from the east involves a steep climb, followed by a narrow and steep descent - not dissimilar from parts of the Skippers Canyon Road. The approach from the west is easier but still has a few knarly bends and sections. Either option involves lots of gates and even a few minor fords. Probably OK on the Spyder - if you're keen....

Here's Meyers Pass in the winter... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmCJlD-r6Mc

The Alexandra ADV Flyer is at Frasers Dam and the road starts off as a decent unsealed road but deteriorates the closer you get to the CP (at the dam). Check out this video which shows the good bit...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91m3AkewcOU

Probably OK-ish on the Spyder too - if it's dry. Forget it if it's wet....

HTH... :yes:

[pete376403]

I was thinking about doing this run IF I can get my shit together AND get the GS1100 going. Found a pretty neat Android app that provides three trip meters, average speed, time of day , road speed and compass, good clear display, no ads and it doesnt require a data connection. Runs fine on older Android version. And its free! DigiHUD by James Moss

[PistonBlown]

That's exactly the sort of image I had in mind when I made the comment! Hah... typical that someone has actually gone and done it... :woohoo:

The Ashburton ADV Flyer is a few hundred metres down a narrow, sandy river-side track - more single track than road. Depending on how many 4x4 vehicles have been down it recently, it can have some deep ruts hidden amongst the sand and broome. Not recommended for a Spyder!

The Kurow ADV Flyer is part-way up the Meyers Pass Road, which runs from the Hakataramea Valley and Waihaorunga. The approach from the east involves a steep climb, followed by a narrow and steep descent - not dissimilar from parts of the Skippers Canyon Road. The approach from the west is easier but still has a few knarly bends and sections. Either option involves lots of gates and even a few minor fords. Probably OK on the Spyder - if you're keen....

Here's Meyers Pass in the winter... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmCJlD-r6Mc

The Alexandra ADV Flyer is at Frasers Dam and the road starts off as a decent unsealed road but deteriorates the closer you get to the CP (at the dam). Check out this video which shows the good bit...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91m3AkewcOU

Probably OK-ish on the Spyder too - if it's dry. Forget it if it's wet....

HTH... :yes:

Yep completely agree with your assessment having taken a gander at those videos.

Ashburton sand and deep ruts is definitely a no no. Also if I chop that one out I can go the long way around and avoid SH1 between Christchurch and Asburton, really hate that bit of road.

I'll have a ride down to Meyers and check it out later this year and see. Fords can be tricky but ok if the incline in/out isn't too sudden, ground clearance is naff on a Spyder.

Frasers dam by the look of it will be fine if I keep it slow as the surface looks like clay or similar. If wet then I agree not a good idea, I'd just go sliding sideways on a corner and it will be game over. That's going to be true of some of the other adventure ones as well.

[BMWST?]

just a heads up guys.do not install the latest(4.7) version of basecamp,and or try to update your nzopen maps withthe new basecamp.The map does not install properly
I have plotted the whole route with every check point and it seems pretty good in that it doesnt change when you change modes and recalculate.
Be intersted in hearing your thoughts on which gps to use.I have two nuvis which i use a lot in the car and 4wd,never had one on a bikeI dont actually need glasses to drive/ride but i do need them to read a gps/phone etc

[BMWST?]

here are (https://openmtbmap.org/tutorials/basecamp-4-7-0/) some workarounds if you have already installed 4.7 and you want to update the latest nz open gps project map

[PistonBlown]

just a heads up guys.do not install the latest(4.7) version of basecamp,and or try to update your nzopen maps withthe new basecamp.The map does not install properly
I have plotted the whole route with every check point and it seems pretty good in that it doesnt change when you change modes and recalculate.
Be intersted in hearing your thoughts on which gps to use.I have two nuvis which i use a lot in the car and 4wd,never had one on a bikeI dont actually need glasses to drive/ride but i do need them to read a gps/phone etc

Thanks for the tip on Basecamp. The Garmin maps are very out of date at the moment e.g. thinks SH1 Kaikoura is still closed, don't want to muck up nz open maps so will make sure I don't update Basecamp.

For the glasses, last year one of the other TT2000 riders had bi-focal safety glasses which were only magnified when he looked down. Im going to get myself a pair to try out as was struggling a little last year with my notes.

I've tried using a phone with GPS software (co-pilot) and a car gps before splashing out on a Garmin 590 mototbike one. The phone was ok but fiddly and you couldnt really operate it while riding. Also the case I had to keep it dry steamed up with temp changes/rain. Same issues with the car one + screen was hard to read in sun and there was no option for headphones so no vebal instructions meaning you had to keep checking the screen more often. The proper bike one is waterproof, could be operated easily while riding and worked fine in the sun. So though I hated the cost it has been wrth it for the lack of hassle.

[BMWST?]

in the work arounds above i did the one to downgrade map install...it seems to work in that i have got a normal looking map and it calculates a route on my nuvi,albeit not the exact route i had plotted.

[veldthui]

Mine updated before I read this message but my maps are reasonably up to date and hopefully Garmin will fix their issue quickly. If not will most likely stick with the maps installed and just update the speed cameras and transfer over the points and routes a week before hand.
Now if only I could find those damn mystery points. Tough ones this year if you don't live in the South Island. I am sure I have passed by at least two of them but can't remember where. Even been looking back through some of my older videos :blink:

[sir.taz]

The app for iOS is now live in the store. I missed updating the point requirements so that is currently going through review and hopefully should be sorted soon.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

[wpoll]

The app for iOS is now live in the store. I missed updating the point requirements so that is currently going through review and hopefully should be sorted soon.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

Goodonya, sir.taz.... :not:

[BMWST?]

Mine updated before I read this message but my maps are reasonably up to date and hopefully Garmin will fix their issue quickly. If not will most likely stick with the maps installed and just update the speed cameras and transfer over the points and routes a week before hand.
Now if only I could find those damn mystery points. Tough ones this year if you don't live in the South Island. I am sure I have passed by at least two of them but can't remember where. Even been looking back through some of my older videos :blink:

yes i have NO IDEA where the mystery CP are.I dont need the points but i am close for ks.Dya reckon 600 odd ks is to far for sunday???

[wpoll]

... Dya reckon 600 odd ks is to far for sunday???

Depends on when you start the day really but 600km does seem a bit much. I plan on a 700km Friday (10hrs max.) and a 1,000km Saturday (16hrs max.), leaving just 300kms for the Sunday morning.

YMMV... (in fact it will...) . :msn-wink:

[veldthui]

yes i have NO IDEA where the mystery CP are.I dont need the points but i am close for ks.Dya reckon 600 odd ks is to far for sunday???

I don't need them for the points either but would like to get at least 1 of them. My km is very close as well and only have about 60km extra at present. I have about 800km for Sunday but that includes the ride back from Christchurch to Picton to catch the ferry afterwards.

[FJRider]

Now if only I could find those damn mystery points. Tough ones this year if you don't live in the South Island. I am sure I have passed by at least two of them but can't remember where. Even been looking back through some of my older videos :blink:

I know for certain where two are. The others will be found soon. I played a few of the TAG games on here ... cunning and guesswork is all you need to find them. Google maps street-view helps ... :lol:

[BMWST?]

Depends on when you start the day really but 600km does seem a bit much. I plan on a 700km Friday (10hrs max.) and a 1,000km Saturday (16hrs max.), leaving just 300kms for the Sunday morning.

YMMV... (in fact it will...) . :msn-wink:
i may rejig things a bit but starting at midday means i have maybe underestimated daylight .maybe i can get a nother 200 k in on friday.it wont get properly dark till 9 ish i guess

[FJRider]

Frasers dam by the look of it will be fine if I keep it slow as the surface looks like clay or similar. If wet then I agree not a good idea, I'd just go sliding sideways on a corner and it will be game over. That's going to be true of some of the other adventure ones as well.

The vid ended about half way to the dam. It varies between rock and clay. Sometimes one ... sometimes the other, Sometimes a bit of both. It is often washed out completely after spring and early summer rain. The clay is hard packed but VERY slippery when it's wet ... as in NO traction whatsoever.

However ... I will be in that area in January ... and will check out the road then. Will post a report in this thread if nobody else has.

[PistonBlown]

The vid ended about half way to the dam. It varies between rock and clay. Sometimes one ... sometimes the other, Sometimes a bit of both. It is often washed out completely after spring and early summer rain. The clay is hard packed but VERY slippery when it's wet ... as in NO traction whatsoever.

However ... I will be in that area in January ... and will check out the road then. Will post a report in this thread if nobody else has.

Thanks for that, I will be checking it out later this year along with some other adv ones just to make sure they are doable but will be really good to get an update closer the time.

[PistonBlown]

For those looking for the Mystery checkpoints just to mention that Mystery 2 is NOT the red bulldozer in a playground in Roxburgh even though it looks the same. I thought I'd save people making the same mistake as me if they also had a daughter who was also obsessed with playgrounds when younger:-)

[banditrider]

You are correct :)

[FJRider]

For those looking for the Mystery checkpoints just to mention that Mystery 2 is NOT the red bulldozer in a playground in Roxburgh even though it looks the same. I thought I'd save people making the same mistake as me if they also had a daughter who was also obsessed with playgrounds when younger:-)

I know it's quite a lot further WEST than that ... ;)

But the red/blue stock trucks gave the location away ... :whistle:

[FJRider]

Thanks for that, I will be checking it out later this year along with some other adv ones just to make sure they are doable but will be really good to get an update closer the time.

There is three sections to that road ... the middle section is through a couple of narrow gullys. They often get washed out. The last section is flatter and usually pretty good'ish ...

There is an alternate route in from the Bannockburn/Clyde pylon track (around the dams lake). 4WD only (or dirt bike) route. It is shown on Google maps Sat view.

[FJRider]

i may rejig things a bit but starting at midday means i have maybe underestimated daylight .maybe i can get a nother 200 k in on friday.it wont get properly dark till 9 ish i guess

Are you scared of the dark ... ??? <_<



I googled the sunrise/sunset for that date. 6.58 am sunrise and 8.40 pm sunset. How much light then will depend on weather.

[BMWST?]

Are you scared of the dark ... ??? <_<



I googled the sunrise/sunset for that date. 6.58 am sunrise and 8.40 pm sunset. How much light then will depend on weather.
it is not the dark that i am afraid of but the effect it has on taking pictures of things geogaphic in nature.The results are ussually pretty dismal.After the last picture taking opportunity i would not hesitate to travel,in the dark to the next point on the map to await sunrise after a night lodgings at said place

[PistonBlown]

it is not the dark that i am afraid of but the effect it has on taking pictures of things geogaphic in nature.The results are ussually pretty dismal.After the last picture taking opportunity i would not hesitate to travel,in the dark to the next point on the map to await sunrise after a night lodgings at said place

Don't worry too much about how the night photo's will turn out. As long as you've got something there that identifies the location and the t-shirt is visible then that will be enough. You'll notice the checkpoints all tend to have a sign or similar that you can light up with your headlight.

e.g. this blurry night photo:
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was actually this checkpoint:
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As you can see you can't even see the main landmark but there's enough there to match.

[FJRider]

... After the last picture taking opportunity i would not hesitate to travel,in the dark to the next point on the map to await sunrise after a night lodgings at said place

If you train your headlight onto a feature of the checkpoint that is easily recognizable ... they allow it. The photo is just to prove you were there. Take a photo that proves you were there (with the shirt visible).

[veldthui]

What state is SH1 in at present down the coast from Picton to Christchurch. Is it reasonable or do I have to allow for extra time?

[WALRUS]

i may rejig things a bit but starting at midday means i have maybe underestimated daylight .maybe i can get a nother 200 k in on friday.it wont get properly dark till 9 ish i guess

Are you scared of the dark ... ??? <_<



I googled the sunrise/sunset for that date. 6.58 am sunrise and 8.40 pm sunset. How much light then will depend on weather.

What's wrong with riding in the dark over there? From the amount of nighttime country driving I've done, it seems a lot better than over here where there are animals jumping out in front of you on the apex of every second corner.

I've clipped a wallaby once while riding at night. Absolutely terrifying but thankfully the little guy was okay and he buggered off.

Do you get much nocturnal wildlife on the roads?

[wpoll]

What state is SH1 in at present down the coast from Picton to Christchurch. Is it reasonable or do I have to allow for extra time?

When I rode it on a weekday back in April it took me an hour to make just 20kms. It was a mess.... at least during working hours. There was a couple of sections where you had to queue for 20 minutes then be escorted though a 2km section in a convoy at 10km/h. One was in the Hundlees and the other was north of Kaikoura.

But I'm guessing (hoping) it wil be better on weekends and also better by Feb. 2019. I'll try to get good updates as we get closer to the event... :psst:

But don't assume you can travel at anywhere near 100km/h anywhere on this road.... more like an average of 20-40km/h at best.

[wpoll]

... Do you get much nocturnal wildlife on the roads?

Rabbits, possums, deer, wallabies, sheep, the odd cattle beast, horses... all are threats. Well, rabbits not so much - they are soft! The rest are best avoided... :doctor:

But while I hesitate to say wildlife on the road is rare, it's not much of an issue. Tourists in the daytime are a bigger threat.

[PistonBlown]

Rabbits, possums, deer, wallabies, sheep, the odd cattle beast, horses... all are threats. Well, rabbits not so much - they are soft! The rest are best avoided... :doctor:

But while I hesitate to say wildlife on the road is rare, it's not much of an issue. Tourists in the daytime are a bigger threat.

My count on hitting possums at night during TT2000 is currently two, perhaps I can get the hat trick on this one.

On the 2017 TT I also came across a Kiwi, first wild one I've ever seen. You'll be pleased to hear I didn't hit it:-) It was just at the side of the road snuffling in the leaves and grass, I stopped and it wasn't bothered about me at all. Sat there watching it for a good 10 minutes until it decided to head off into the trees.

[wpoll]

... On the 2017 TT I also came across a Kiwi, first wild one I've ever seen. You'll be pleased to hear I didn't hit it:-) It was just at the side of the road snuffling in the leaves and grass, I stopped and it wasn't bothered about me at all. Sat there watching it for a good 10 minutes until it decided to head off into the trees.

Now that's pretty special... :yes:

I've seen Kiwi in the wild too but with night vision googles etc., while working on Huaturu-O-Toi (Little Barrier Island) for over a month back in the mid-90s. Unforgettable moments, along with having my gingernuts stolen out of my hand by the Kaka, seeing Kakapo chinging and booming, giant weta crawling up ponga stumps and the incredible sight of a phosphorescent sea (well, bioluminescence actually).

All amazing New Zealand night sights - and good reasons to be somewhere other than on the roads too long after dark! :innocent:

[veldthui]

Any information on the state of Leader Rd East where it comes off from SH1 and connects to the inland route at Waiou? Was going to take that after picking up Kaikoura Flyer CP but if road is not good then will skip it and just head up Inland route.

[wpoll]

Any information on the state of Leader Rd East where it comes off from SH1 and connects to the inland route at Waiou? Was going to take that after picking up Kaikoura Flyer CP but if road is not good then will skip it and just head up Inland route.

This road was pretty good when I rode it scouting the TT back in April. Very twisty - great fun. I'm sure it's a favourite with the locals. Seal is good, could be a bit slippery if wet (aren't they all?!).

[BMWST?]

roads like that are half the reason for me to try the tt2000!

[sir.taz]

I love that road!

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[FJRider]

Any information on the state of Leader Rd East where it comes off from SH1 and connects to the inland route at Waiou? Was going to take that after picking up Kaikoura Flyer CP but if road is not good then will skip it and just head up Inland route.

I'm looking at the Waikari/Greta valley road ... :sunny:

[FJRider]

Rabbits, possums, deer, wallabies, sheep, the odd cattle beast, horses... all are threats. Well, rabbits not so much - they are soft! The rest are best avoided... :doctor:

But while I hesitate to say wildlife on the road is rare, it's not much of an issue. Tourists in the daytime are a bigger threat.

I went from Reefton / Springs junction one spring (mid)night ... hit about 50 rats. Apparently quite common at that time of year.

[NiggleC]

I went through the Greta Valley/ Scargill/ Waikari rd about a month ago. The only thing to worry about is tractors trundling along. Otherwise in excellent condition. I have also done the Leader Rd x3 this year. Last time was in May. The automated lights about 1/3 of the way in from SH1 were still there as they were in February. Wave your hand in front of the sensor at the top of the lights if you get a red and they change v quickly (if they are still there next feb). Again in excellent condition but a road to be treated with respect if its your first time through.

[veldthui]

in the work arounds above i did the one to downgrade map install...it seems to work in that i have got a normal looking map and it calculates a route on my nuvi,albeit not the exact route i had plotted.

I have 4.62 still installed on my Surface Pro 4 so decided to uninstall the 4.7 off my main PC. Ran the uninstall and checked the Mapinstaller directory and it was still there. Deleted that manually and then installed 4.62 from scratch. All my maps, routes and data still all intact so looks okay. Might do a test send to a GPS I use for my Jetski just to make sure.

[FJRider]

... I went through the Greta Valley/ Scargill/ Waikari rd about a month ago. The only thing to worry about is tractors trundling along. Otherwise in excellent condition.

I plan on doing a ride in the area later this year ... will take a nosey thru anyway (Any excuse for a ride).

My usual haunts for rides are very rural areas ... I keep a close watch on farm driveways and open gates into paddocks.

[PistonBlown]

Wayne looks like you've got an inside line on Can-am's R&D department. New model announced today for 2019...

https://www.facebook.com/CanAmOnRoad/videos/689627558103619/UzpfSTEwMDAwMzQwNDgxMDgzMzoxNzUyNTgyMjAxNTMxOTIz/

[Racing Dave]

The Ashburton ADV Flyer is a few hundred metres down a narrow, sandy river-side track - more single track than road. Depending on how many 4x4 vehicles have been down it recently, it can have some deep ruts hidden amongst the sand and broome. Not recommended for a Spyder!



We've been pre-riding parts of the course, and thought that the Ashburton ADV checkpoint was worth a look. Definitely good to have been there in advance. Looking at both Google Terrain View, Street View, and TopoMap, it seems as if the way to the pylons should be to cross the bridge north of Dobbins Ford, then after a km turn left onto a farm track and then after another km turn left again down another farm track to the pylons. We tried that. Not so!

As Wayne notes, the actual track is on your left just as you cross the bridge (there might be a removable electric fence wire in place - there was a couple of weeks ago), and indeed it is quite rutty and sandy. Two-up it was at the very bottom end of first gear for the 900 or so metres to the photo spot.

[wpoll]

Pity you didn't have next year's t-shirt with you, David! :2thumbsup

[KezzaCFC]

This looks friggin awesome! Bike upgrade required

[PistonBlown]

We've been pre-riding parts of the course, and thought that the Ashburton ADV checkpoint was worth a look. Definitely good to have been there in advance. Looking at both Google Terrain View, Street View, and TopoMap, it seems as if the way to the pylons should be to cross the bridge north of Dobbins Ford, then after a km turn left onto a farm track and then after another km turn left again down another farm track to the pylons. We tried that. Not so!

As Wayne notes, the actual track is on your left just as you cross the bridge (there might be a removable electric fence wire in place - there was a couple of weeks ago), and indeed it is quite rutty and sandy. Two-up it was at the very bottom end of first gear for the 900 or so metres to the photo spot.

Have already taken a gecko at the Ashburton ADV one and even I wouldn't attempt that on my Spyder, very frustrating as I was kind of thinking of doing every checkpoint:-( However this has meant I've been able to plan a route that completely avoids SH1 between Christchurch and Ashburton so its not all bad. I'm going to do a little tiki tour with my daughter during the next school hols to check some ADV ones out, that way if I get stuck I've got someone to help me push the Spyder;-)

[PistonBlown]

This looks friggin awesome! Bike upgrade required

Maybe you don't need an upgrade, there is a regular Ninja 300 TT2000 rider....
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[KezzaCFC]

Maybe you don't need an upgrade, regular Ninja 300 TT2000 rider....
338879

Ohh awesome! Too easy.
I'll be using this to plan the route https://ridewithgps.com/. Built for cyclists, but works well on the bike. Can import the routes directly onto googlemaps (so i don't have to fork out for a Garmin). Although probably not good for the ADV checkpoints

[NiggleC]

Evening all. Mrs C has just advised me that the National Rowing champs are being held at Twizel 19th - 23rd Feb 2019. So if you are thinking of accommodation between probably Fairlie and Omarama while on the TT2000 you better investigate sooner rather than later. Leave it with you.....

[BMWST?]

Evening all. Mrs C has just advised me that the National Rowing champs are being held at Twizel 19th - 23rd Feb 2019. So if you are thinking of accommodation between probably Fairlie and Omarama while on the TT2000 you better investigate sooner rather than later. Leave it with you.....
thats some good info there ,will be many many people in twizel for that week/end

[FJRider]

thats some good info there ,will be many many people in twizel for that week/end

Depending on the intended route of participants ... and the time of day they'll be in the area ... will accommodation in Twizel be needed. Even allowing for checkpoint stops ... it's only about four and a half hours south of Yaldhurst.

[FJRider]

For those intending to pick up the Alexandra flyer (at Shingle Creek) there is a detour from turn-off to Clyde at the Clyde Dam end of town ... through Clyde and across the Clyde bridge and along Earnscleugh rd and up Conroys rd to the Alexandra-Roxburgh rd at butchers dam.

The time needed to do this is 15 minutes at legal(ish) speeds. From Butchers Dam to Shingle Creek is 15 minutes (at similar speeds). 20 minutes from Shingle creek back to Alexandra.

This route gets you the maximum distance in the shortest possible time. Coming back into Alex .. the Springvale rd checkpoint is easily accessed via Manuherakia rd - Letts Gully rd - and turn right onto Springvale road.

The (quickest) route to the Alexandra Adventure checkpoint is from Blackmans rd - off Earnscleugh rd.

[PistonBlown]

Well tried out Ranfurly Adv Flyer (aka Danseys Pass Coach Inn) coming from the North. Unfortunately the steep sections are just too much for the Spyder with the back wheel going all over the place - that's not something you want with those drop-offs:-O It's fine when I can take my time but would be a mistake on a TT. There's also one bridge with a gap in the middle which makes things 'fun' when your on a 3-wheeler.

The southern way in is simple enough so looks like I'll be taking the long way around.

I can report that accommodation at the Coach Inn is fantastic though - certainly not suitable for TT'ing as there would be no encouragement to get going in the morning:-)

[BMWST?]

Depending on the intended route of participants ... and the time of day they'll be in the area ... will accommodation in Twizel be needed. Even allowing for checkpoint stops ... it's only about four and a half hours south of Yaldhurst.
all good points,but if one was intending on staying in or near twizel ....reconsider

[FJRider]

all good points,but if one was intending on staying in or near twizel ....reconsider

With a BIG rowing event in the town at the time ... unwise ... :innocent:




Omarama is much better ... the pub is closer ... :shifty:

[wpoll]

I can report that accommodation at the Coach Inn is fantastic though - certainly not suitable for TT'ing as there would be no encouragement to get going in the morning:-)

I've stayed there often... best pub in the world.... and yeah, you DON'T want to be in a hurry - it's best enjoyed in a more leisurely fashion! :msn-wink:

[Racing Dave]

It was a pretty nice day in North Canterbury, yesterday. Nicki and I went nowhere in particular...

[wpoll]

It was a pretty nice day in North Canterbury, yesterday. Nicki and I went nowhere in particular...

Good to see someone is able to take advantage of the good weather... :yes:

What was the road up to the Glens of Tekoa like? When I rode in there last April, Te Koa Road was a 'mare of deep river stone gravel - I did more slithering than a snake in sand.... :shit:

[Racing Dave]

What was the road up to the Glens of Tekoa like? When I rode in there last April, Te Koa Road was a 'mare of deep river stone gravel - I did more slithering than a snake in sand.... :shit:

It's definitely not that bad now.

Certainly the 'gravel' is more rocky than shingly, but there are 'mostly' three grooves clear of said stones (always at least two) so we could bomb along in either the left-most or centre groove at 100 without any bother at all. In the gorge area, they've been carrying out quite a lot of quarrying of the hillsides to (presumably) widen the road around the tight bends, but the surface is sealed there and I'm sure the works will be complete before February.

[wpoll]

Slight change to the GPS location for the Lyndon ADV Flyer (https://www.tt2000.org/lyndon-adv-flyer.html), due to an error on my part. Thanks to Racing Dave for picking it up. ;)

The TT2000 web site (https://www.tt2000.org/2019-checkpoints-info.html) has the updated information, including PDFs, maps etc.

[BMWST?]

so is it as easy as going into basecamp ,opening that way point and re typing the co oridinates? Does that automatically shift it on my maps etc??

[wpoll]

so is it as easy as going into basecamp ,opening that way point and re typing the co oridinates? Does that automatically shift it on my maps etc??

Pretty much - yeah. Depends on how you have it set up but simply editing the waypoint coordinate should do it.

[Racing Dave]

Slight change to the GPS location for the Lyndon ADV Flyer (https://www.tt2000.org/lyndon-adv-flyer.html), due to an error on my part. Thanks to Racing Dave for picking it up. ;)

The TT2000 web site (https://www.tt2000.org/2019-checkpoints-info.html) has the updated information, including PDFs, maps etc.

The true location of the sign is about 2.4km closer to Lake Lyndon than the original co-ordinates indicated. It's really easy to see, even in the dark.

Yes, I know the T-shirt's not the 2019 one, I was merely timing myself between a few checkpoints and wanted to make the practice as realistic as possible.

[Hairymcsweary]

Went for a test ride around Alexandra CP, Ranfurly flyer and CP couple of days ago to check whether accessories mountings were going to shake off and test route times. Alexandra CP is overgrown at the moment and hard to see bicycles when approaching. Malcom Taylor who has done a couple TT2000 in the past lives down there, I'm sure he'll give it a haircut if I ask him nicely.

[Racing Dave]

Went for a test ride around Alexandra CP, Ranfurly flyer and CP couple of days ago to check whether accessories mountings were going to shake off and test route times. Alexandra CP is overgrown at the moment and hard to see bicycles when approaching. Malcom Taylor who has done a couple TT2000 in the past lives down there, I'm sure he'll give it a haircut if I ask him nicely.

Better ask more nicely - nothing's changed yet...

Further, while in the area, I checked out the Alexandra ADV Flyer at Fraser Dam. As Wayne says in the notes, the road is narrow and rutted and particularly the last km would be dodgy if it was wet. There are a couple of traps for the unwary, as far as navigation goes, once on Fraser Dam Road. That is, about halfway up, the 'main' track appears to bear left at a Y-junction. Don't be fooled; that's access for an earth-moving project up the hill; bear right. Finally, when the dam itself hoves into view, again the 'main' track appears to bear left. That's access to elsewhere; once more, bear right.

Disclaimer; the T-shirt in the photos is not 2019's one; I was just doing a realistic trial for timing purposes.

Roll on February...

[Racing Dave]

Nothing to do with the TT2000 as such, but I saw this on the Mt Cook road. A burst of colour in a landscape of browns...

[wpoll]

Nothing to do with the TT2000 as such, but I saw this on the Mt Cook road. A burst of colour in a landscape of browns...

Nice pic, Dave. :niceone:

That road is the only road where the brown and cyan on my GPS is a perfect match for the actual colours of the surrounding countryside... :rolleyes:

[banditrider]

Better ask more nicely - nothing's changed yet...

Further, while in the area, I checked out the Alexandra ADV Flyer at Fraser Dam. As Wayne says in the notes, the road is narrow and rutted and particularly the last km would be dodgy if it was wet. There are a couple of traps for the unwary, as far as navigation goes, once on Fraser Dam Road. That is, about halfway up, the 'main' track appears to bear left at a Y-junction. Don't be fooled; that's access for an earth-moving project up the hill; bear right. Finally, when the dam itself hoves into view, again the 'main' track appears to bear left. That's access to elsewhere; once more, bear right.

Disclaimer; the T-shirt in the photos is not 2019's one; I was just doing a realistic trial for timing purposes.

Roll on February...

Thanks for this. Currently on my route and possibly for when lights are required...

[Racing Dave]

Thanks for this. Currently on my route and possibly for when lights are required...

Me, too. See you in the dust...

[Hairymcsweary]

Might be worth adding 15 mins delay on route between Moana CP and Lyndon CP . The end date on this alert is 28 Feb
https://www.journeys.nzta.govt.nz/canterbury/traffic-update/718906

[PistonBlown]

Might be worth adding 15 mins delay on route between Moana CP and Lyndon CP . The end date on this alert is 28 Feb
https://www.journeys.nzta.govt.nz/canterbury/traffic-update/718906

Been through that a few times recently. They have got two or three sets traffic lights. The lights count down to tell you how long you've got to wait in minutes- though when it goes from 1 to blank you still have a minute to wait which is a bit confusing. When I did it last there was one where the water shoot is over the road and another a little further westwards. Unfortunately they don't seem to be sync'd so you get through one and hit the next with a several minutes displaying. The main issue is going up hill (i.e. west to east) as the trucks really labour to get going when the light turns green.

[wpoll]

For anyone planing to take the Molesworth Road to or from the TT, it has just been closed due to extreme fire danger. I wouldn't bet on it opening before the rally, although you never know... :confused:

[BMWST?]

is there a "results" list.I would beinterested in the basic statistics acheived, ie ks,checkpoints etc....Gonna try to get to the next one!

[wpoll]

is there a "results" list.I would beinterested in the basic statistics acheived, ie ks,checkpoints etc....Gonna try to get to the next one!

Sorry but the results are only circulated to those that took part in the event. If you know anyone that rode, they may choose to share their results with you...

What I can say is that 166 riders started, 155 riders finished - a total of around 7,500 hours of riding and over 320,000kms travelled. Five riders achieve maximum points and the furthest distance ridden was 2,846kms.

I think every rider also got wet at some point and I reckon I saw at least 155 grinning faces at the finish. Well done to all 2019 TT2000 riders!! :wings::wings::wings::wings:

[release_the_bees]

I've my fingers and toes crossed that there's a North Island leg again next year. I'd really like to take part in this.

For the past few months now, I've been considering doing my own private run just for the hell of it using the previous North Island checkpoints.

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[wpoll]

Yes.... :msn-wink:

[Emptywallet]

Yes, another great ride this year, with all four seasons of weather bundled in at some point.
We quite often use unused checkpoints as destinations for Easter and weekend trips.
We noticed that this year a lot more riders than usual used the four hour time buffer to finish.

[BMWST?]

Sorry but the results are only circulated to those that took part in the event. If you know anyone that rode, they may choose to share their results with you...

What I can say is that 166 riders started, 155 riders finished - a total of around 7,500 hours of riding and over 320,000kms travelled. Five riders achieve maximum points and the furthest distance ridden was 2,846kms.

I think every rider also got wet at some point and I reckon I saw at least 155 grinning faces at the finish. Well done to all 2019 TT2000 riders!! :wings::wings::wings::wings:

Can you explain what "maximum" points mean,Surely that doesnt mean every single checkpoint !?.

[wpoll]

Can you explain what "maximum" points mean,Surely that doesnt mean every single checkpoint !?.

Hmm.. let me check...

maximum - noun - (def.) the greatest amount, extent, or intensity possible, permitted, or recorded.

Yep - like I thought. :niceone:

In this case, 300,000 points or every checkpoint! :clap::clap::clap:

[BMWST?]

Hmm.. let me check...

maximum - noun - (def.) the greatest amount, extent, or intensity possible, permitted, or recorded.

Yep - like I thought. :niceone:

In this case, 300,000 points or every checkpoint! :clap::clap::clap:


wow!:woohoo:

[PistonBlown]

Yes, another great ride this year, with all four seasons of weather bundled in at some point.
We quite often use unused checkpoints as destinations for Easter and weekend trips.
We noticed that this year a lot more riders than usual used the four hour time buffer to finish.

I think the weather probably had a lot to do with people using the buffer this year. I stayed in Havelock Sun night and when I got up at 3:30am I had planned to do all remaining checkpoints down to the finish and get in just before midday. However with the weather as it was at that end of the island I decided to just do the mandatory ones on the way down. Even then I didn't get to the finish until 9:50am and had a few heart thumpers with aquaplaning on the way. I suspect if I had kept with my original plan it would have been at least 2pm before I finished in that weather.

Had some great new roads that I'd not done before which is always a treat; and I managed, through having a very weird route, to avoid SH1 between Ashburton and Christchurch. That bit of road is my nemesis - and accounts for most of my speeding points when I get impatient:-)

[PistonBlown]

is there a "results" list.I would beinterested in the basic statistics acheived, ie ks,checkpoints etc....Gonna try to get to the next one!

The great thing about the TT2000 is that, beyond the minimums required, you set your own targets as well as your own route.

So I don't think its any secret that the some riders cover the minimums and perhaps a little more. Most of these will be newbies, but others are regular TT'ers that enjoy those challenges each time. Even meeting those minimums there is a huge lot of different routes and approaches you can come up with.

You then get some regular riders who set the additional targets for themselves. For example this year it may have been all mandatory checkpoints plus all adventure ones, or perhaps just getting a higher score or more km's than last year. To take it further perhaps all the checkpoints (as 5 did).

One more thing. Every year Wayne makes changes to the 'rules' e.g. this year some checkpoints were mandatory. So that always adds something different and special to route planning.

[Emptywallet]

Yes, I'm sure the weather played a part forcing some to skip checkpoints and take extra time.

Our dash to Lake Brunner and back on the final morning had us skipping out the rear tyre a few times.
There were rocks the size of cricket balls on the road near Porters pass at 6.00am - that kept us awake through the driving rain and crazy wind.

... but we'll be back for more again next year.

[banditrider]

TT2000 write-up:​ https://banditrider.weebly.com/2019-tt2000.html​​​


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[pete376403]

TT2000 write-up:​ https://banditrider.weebly.com/2019-tt2000.html​​​


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[banditrider]

404 page not found

Weird: https://banditrider.weebly.com/2019-tt2000.html

[veldthui]

Weird: https://banditrider.weebly.com/2019-tt2000.html

Not really. Copy the URL into notepad and see what it looks like. Here are what the two look like

https://banditrider.weebly.com/2019-tt2000.html%E2%80%8B%E2%80%8B%E2%80%8B

https://banditrider.weebly.com/2019-tt2000.html

First one can't be found of course.

[PistonBlown]

My attempt at a write-up of this years TT2000

https://pistonblown.blogspot.com/2019/04/tt2000-2019.html

[BMWST?]

My attempt at a write-up of this years TT2000

https://pistonblown.blogspot.com/2019/04/tt2000-2019.html
and a good attempt too!

[wpoll]

This thread is :done:

Time for a new one...

TT2000 Twenty Twenty (https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/187057-TT2000-Twenty-Twenty) :soon: