Counterweight on wet pavement?

[xa33]

Hi guys. It's rainy nowadays in Auckland, and I commute on my little 250 everyday.

I've watched a video which recommend to do counterweight on wet pavement for safety purpose. But some people says counterweight is for low speed turn. The only thing I'm worry about when its wet is lose traction. Do you guys think counterweight is the right thing to do?

Post by a confused rookie.

[buggerit]

Hi guys. It's rainy nowadays in Auckland, and I commute on my little 250 everyday.

I've watched a video which recommend to do counterweight on wet pavement for safety purpose. But some people says counterweight is for low speed turn. The only thing I'm worry about when its wet is lose traction. Do you guys think counterweight is the right thing to do?

Post by a confused rookie.

naah, she"ll crush ya nuts on the tank under heavy braking:innocent:

[BMWST?]

no.I try to keep the bike more upright in the rain.

[AllanB]

Fucking pin it to the stop.

[george formby]

Hi guys. It's rainy nowadays in Auckland, and I commute on my little 250 everyday.

I've watched a video which recommend to do counterweight on wet pavement for safety purpose. But some people says counterweight is for low speed turn. The only thing I'm worry about when its wet is lose traction. Do you guys think counterweight is the right thing to do?

Post by a confused rookie.


I have no idea of the scenario which may need counterweighting. Not sure how counterweighting has been described to you, either. You mentioned pavement, riding your bike on that is naughty. More info on where you worry and how counterweighting has been explained would be good.

My rule of thumb is the slippier it is the slower I go, more or less. Looking ahead, being smooth with brakes and gas, staying relaxed and looking for the grippy bit occupy my attention.

If you feel that you need cast iron advice jump on a cheap as chips rideforever training day, the ACC subsidised one. Get a pro to answer your questions and demonstrate. Great fun day out.

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[caspernz]

https://www.rideforever.co.nz/

And we call it counter steering, counter weight is more of a drinking game, well in my circles anyway :eek5:

[pete376403]

Would another meaning of counterweight ing be to shift your weight to the outside footrest (or inside as the case may be)?

[Banditbandit]

Would another meaning of counterweight ing be to shift your weight to the outside footrest (or inside as the case may be)?

Yeah ..

http://www.cape-vision.com/wayg/mrep/outside.htm

No - I would not recommend it on a wet road - it increases the lateral pressure on the tyre - and increases the chance of it sliding out ..

It's a good dry condition tight turn technique .

In the wet you want the bike to be as upright as possible to reduce the lateral pressure on the tyre .

[FlangMasterJ]

Just ride. You'll adapt to the conditions.

[george formby]

https://www.rideforever.co.nz/

And we call it counter steering, counter weight is more of a drinking game, well in my circles anyway :eek5:

I had pause for thought posting, rode my trials bike for a bit earlier in the day in a teflon paddock. Counter weighting had some resonance. Didn't want to mention the alternative....

[GazzaH]

Looks to me like another version of the pre-turn flick the other way to set the bike leaning.

With a step to your left and a flick to the right you catch that mirror way out west. You know you're something special and you look like you're the best.

[nzspokes]

https://www.rideforever.co.nz/

And we call it counter steering, counter weight is more of a drinking game, well in my circles anyway :eek5:

Think he means this.

[SaferRides]

Back in the day we were taught to lean off the inside of the bike in the wet to keep it upright so the tyres would work better. But that might not be what you want to do with dual compound tyres.

[Scubbo]

ride it like a motard

https://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff479/idlebog/7926CCA2-D954-4C33-8A73-BEE7DFC5FFB3-495-0000008253D657DE.jpg

[Moi]

I'm wondering if the OP has been given some info that relates to the "anchored push" concept that is explained on page 17 of Full Control (http://motorcycleminds.org/virtuallibrary/ridersafety/Full%20Control_2013.pdf)? More discussion follows in the next few pages.

Full Control is downloadable and is a reference worth consulting...

[WALRUS]

Back in the day we were taught to lean off the inside of the bike in the wet to keep it upright so the tyres would work better. But that might not be what you want to do with dual compound tyres.

I was taught something similar when I started riding.

I also remember seeing a clip of Doohan "back in the day" fanging it around a corner in the rain where the bike was almost vertical to get maximum grip and he was hanging off the side like crazy to drive it around the corner.

That being said, of course that was an NSR500, not a GZ250, on a race track, with old school tyres, etc etc.. Also Mick Doohan, not average Joe Bloggs over here (sorry xa33, you might be one of the bestest riders in the world, for all I know, but I'm making an assumption that, like me, you're not).

I don't believe much weight transfer is needed in commuting at all, let alone in the wet.. Unless there's a heap and it's all so subconscious I don't even realise I'm doing it..

Unless you do mean "Counter Steering" in which case, yeah pretty much all the time.. Again, subconsciously/automatically without realising.