200kph test ride! Bravo! [Archive]

neels

27th August 2018, 13:45

Just watched that myself, and to be honest the most stupid thing about the whole video was posting it on youtube.

The small clip in the article is an outcome of yellow lines the entire length of Dyers Pass Rd, it's very common to encounter someone pootling down the hill like that but unfortunately it's now illegal to overtake them, even on the stretches of road with enough visibility that it's perfectly safe. The rest of the riding looked quite competent, and as far as the speed is concerned, giving it a bit of a squirt on an otherwise empty straight road is something most people have probably done at some point....

The unnamed Governors Bay resident is right to be appalled at the driving in Governors Bay, particularly that exhibited by Governors Bay residents.

F5 Dave

27th August 2018, 13:52

What a complete muppet for posting that on Youdickheadtube. I mean, seriously? What did he think was going to happen?

Thanks buddy, draw more attn to the rest of us, & not in a good way,

TerminalAddict

27th August 2018, 14:11

The speedo might have said that but I doubt he was actually going that quick. Still, excellent effort.

Hornet 919 represent - I had one - but mine was black.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/106580844/motorcyclist-posts-video-driving-200kmh-and-overtaking-on-narrow-christchurch-hills
With great suspension comes great responsibility
Mine was red :P

jasonu

27th August 2018, 14:12

Really??? 200 'aint that hard on any newish 600cc+ japper.
Surprising he didn't burst into flames at 103kph...

Oh yeah, what sort of motorcyclist lets a bicycle pass him? What a queer!!!

WALRUS

27th August 2018, 14:23

Has the video been taken down? I can't seem to find it

pritch

27th August 2018, 14:27

Hornet 919 represent - I had one - but mine was black.

Mine too, and it had a Power Commander with custom map. That bike had more snap than any I've owned since: VFR, 996 Monster, or the S3.

neels

27th August 2018, 14:36

Has the video been taken down? I can't seem to find it
Strangely enough, it's gone.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8jOrs_eApM

WALRUS

27th August 2018, 14:55

Damn, I was hoping I'd be able to have a squizz before Mr Policeman asked him to take it down.

Ah well

jasonu

27th August 2018, 16:32

Strangely enough, it's gone.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8jOrs_eApM

This should be on the Free Speech thread.

F5 Dave

27th August 2018, 18:36

What next in the series of this high thinker? "Here I rob a liquor store, but first here's where I work and a close up of my passport".

buggerit

27th August 2018, 19:34

posting shit like that does all bikers no favours, wanker

AllanB

27th August 2018, 20:59

The black ones are faster ;)

200 is easy on one, can't see where you would do 200 around Governors Bay. Must have been the Teddington straight. Bloody reporters.

nzspokes

27th August 2018, 21:06

Mine too, and it had a Power Commander with custom map. That bike had more snap than any I've owned since: VFR, 996 Monster, or the S3.

Rose tinted glasses.

Mine was slow and boring.

HenryDorsetCase

27th August 2018, 21:07

Rose tinted glasses.

Mine was slow and boring.

Nah bullshit. They are a great bike and I'd have another.

pritch

27th August 2018, 21:28

Nah bullshit. They are a great bike and I'd have another.

Agreed. When I see comments about boring bikes I always wonder how they're being ridden.

AllanB

27th August 2018, 22:21

Nah bullshit. They are a great bike and I'd have another.

New Neo Sports Cafe looks interesting. https://www.hondamotorbikes.co.nz/sports-motorbike/cb1000r

nzspokes

28th August 2018, 06:41

Nah bullshit. They are a great bike and I'd have another.

Go for gold, I believe there is a red one in CHCH about to come up for sale. It can do 200, even has the video.

nzspokes

28th August 2018, 06:42

New Neo Sports Cafe looks interesting. https://www.hondamotorbikes.co.nz/sports-motorbike/cb1000r

Cool, they put a single sided swingarm and a stupid headlight on a Hornet.:facepalm:

Swoop

28th August 2018, 14:15

... an outcome of yellow lines the entire length of Dyers Pass Rd, it's very common to encounter someone pootling down the hill like that but unfortunately it's now illegal to overtake them...
No it's not.
Just illegal to cross the yellow line.

rastuscat

28th August 2018, 14:37

No it's not.
Just illegal to cross the yellow line.

I like you. You know the law.

WALRUS

28th August 2018, 15:20

I like you. You know the law.

Are there not laws around overtaking a vehicle in the same lane? It's a big no-no over here

imac

28th August 2018, 15:52

Are there not laws around overtaking a vehicle in the same lane? It's a big no-no over here

Ahhh shit, a lane splitting topic diversion!

Moi

28th August 2018, 15:52

Are there not laws around overtaking a vehicle in the same lane? It's a big no-no over here

Here you go: Passing (https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/about-riding/passing/)

Although the yellow lines are commonly called "No Passing" lines, it could be argued that they should be called "No Crossing" lines... But, I suspect that there are too many NZ drivers/riders who are already confused about what they mean without getting into semantics...

WALRUS

28th August 2018, 16:11

Ah, thanks Moi! That's such a good idea, so long as the rider does it safely and smartly.

Cheers for sharing!

pritch

28th August 2018, 16:55

Cool, they put a single sided swingarm and a stupid headlight on a Hornet.:facepalm:

Nah, that has lost some of what appealed to me. The seat is 30mm higher and the tank holds several litres less. Still, BIKE did a comparison test V the Speed Triple and the riders were evenly split. They gave it to another tester to break the tie and he went for the Triumph.

Hoonicorn

28th August 2018, 18:04

Only 200kph? that won't even get into the latest speed compliation for August

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGLzwVbpzQs

neels

28th August 2018, 18:18

No it's not.
Just illegal to cross the yellow line.

I like you. You know the law.
And yet when yellow lining the entire length of the road was proposed, it was stated that crossing the yellow lines to pass a cyclist was acceptable, so can you cross them or not?

If it's illegal there is a lot of revenue to be gathered fining drivers crossing the yellow lines passing cyclists climbing the hill, or from the evidence in the video fine the driver of the blue corolla for obstructing traffic.......

HenryDorsetCase

28th August 2018, 19:08

I like you. You know the law.

So, is it the inside edge of the yellow line or the outside? What if mah wheels are on the left but muh boday and rest of my moorsickle are over the line? What about when my knee goes down? elbow?

Asking for a friend.

FJRider

28th August 2018, 19:34

Here you go: Passing (https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/about-riding/passing/)

... But, I suspect that there are too many NZ drivers/riders who are already confused about what they mean without getting into semantics...

Obviously ... you are included in this group. It IS legal to CROSS them ... :devil2:

Just NOT for the purpose of overtaking ... :no:

I guess that's why they call them ... NO passing lines ... :killingme

AllanB

28th August 2018, 20:26

Ah, thanks Moi! That's such a good idea, so long as the rider does it safely and smartly.

Cheers for sharing!

I often have cars move to the left of the lane so I can slot through safely between them and the yellow center line. Clearly good bastards who see/hear me coming from behind them.

Must be a joke in that.....

Moi

28th August 2018, 21:09

Obviously ... you are included in this group. It IS legal to CROSS them ... :devil2:

Just NOT for the purpose of overtaking ... :no:

I guess that's why they call them ... NO passing lines ... :killingme

Considering that "passing" and "overtaking" are not the same, those yellow lines could be called "no overtaking lines" rather than "no passing lines"...

FJRider

28th August 2018, 21:19

Considering that "passing" and "overtaking" are not the same, those yellow lines should be called "no overtaking lines" rather than "no passing lines"...

New Zealand Transport Agency Legislation as it is written ... No mention of overtaking there ... ;)

Passing
Many serious crashes on New Zealand roads are caused by dangerous passing.

To safely pass another vehicle, you need to be extremely careful. You need to have a clear view of the road ahead, to make sure you can finish passing safely. You must also pay close attention to the vehicle you are passing, in case it changes its course.

Passing on the right
Passing on the right can be dangerous, especially if you have to:

change your path of travel
enter a lane or part of the road used by oncoming vehicles.
Before passing, always ask yourself 'is it really necessary to pass?' Don't pass just because you are feeling impatient with the car in front – that's often when crashes happen.

If you do decide to pass, follow the rules shown below.

Before you pass:

make sure you will be able to see at least 100 metres of clear road ahead of you once you have finished passing - if not, don't pass
look well ahead to make sure there are no vehicles coming towards you
look behind to make sure there are no vehicles passing you
signal right for at least three seconds before moving out to pass.
Before pulling in front of a vehicle you have passed:

make sure you can see the vehicle in your rear view mirror
signal left for at least three seconds.

FJRider

28th August 2018, 21:27

I often have cars move to the left of the lane so I can slot through safely between them and the yellow center line. Clearly good bastards who see/hear me coming from behind them.

Must be a joke in that.....

OR ... (Good) ones that use their mirrors ... I try to do that driving trucks (and cars too) and usually get a wave ... :2thumbsup

Putting the (high) headlight beam inline with their right hand side mirror helps ... :devil2:

Moi

28th August 2018, 21:30

New Zealand Transport Agency Legislation as it is written ... No mention of overtaking there ... ;)

Passing
Many serious crashes on New Zealand roads are caused by dangerous passing.

To safely pass another vehicle, you need to be extremely careful. You need to have a clear view of the road ahead, to make sure you can finish passing safely. You must also pay close attention to the vehicle you are passing, in case it changes its course.

Passing on the right
Passing on the right can be dangerous, especially if you have to:

change your path of travel
enter a lane or part of the road used by oncoming vehicles.
Before passing, always ask yourself 'is it really necessary to pass?' Don't pass just because you are feeling impatient with the car in front – that's often when crashes happen.

If you do decide to pass, follow the rules shown below.

Before you pass:

make sure you will be able to see at least 100 metres of clear road ahead of you once you have finished passing - if not, don't pass
look well ahead to make sure there are no vehicles coming towards you
look behind to make sure there are no vehicles passing you
signal right for at least three seconds before moving out to pass.
Before pulling in front of a vehicle you have passed:

make sure you can see the vehicle in your rear view mirror
signal left for at least three seconds.

Far out... I'm going to be passing so many cars tomorrow, starting with all the cars that I'll pass that are parked in the street as I drive to the corner... I'm passing them not overtaking them... and then there's not only the cars but also the trucks and buses that I'll pass as I drive past them because they are stopped at the side of the road - I'm guessing they are parked because there is often no driver in the vehicle... though for the bus it is different, the bus driver is there waiting for the passengers to get on...

I'm going to have to be so careful that I don't indulge in any dangerous passing...

FJRider

28th August 2018, 21:36

Far out... I'm going to be passing so many cars tomorrow, starting with all the cars that I'll pass that are parked in the street as I drive to the corner... I'm passing them not overtaking them... and then there's not only the cars but also the trucks and buses that I'll pass as I drive past them because they are stopped at the side of the road - I'm guessing they are parked because there is often no driver in the vehicle... though for the bus it is different, the bus driver is there waiting for the passengers to get on...

I'm going to have to be so careful that I don't indulge in any dangerous passing...

I even PASS wind ... how cool is that ... :killingme

FJRider

28th August 2018, 21:40

Agreed. When I see comments about boring bikes I always wonder how they're being ridden.

Usually ... not properly ..

Berries

28th August 2018, 22:08

And yet when yellow lining the entire length of the road was proposed, it was stated that crossing the yellow lines to pass a cyclist was acceptable, so can you cross them or not?
You only have to look at the Road User Rule to find out.

2.9 Passing where roadway marked with no-passing line
(1) This clause applies if a driver is at or approaching a portion of a roadway where the road controlling authority has, in accordance with any enactment, marked a no-passing line applying to traffic moving in the direction in which the driver is moving.
(2) The driver must not pass or attempt to pass a motor vehicle or an animal-drawn vehicle moving in the same direction within the length of roadway on which the no-passing line is marked until the driver reaches the further end of the no-passing line, unless throughout the passing movement the driver keeps the vehicle wholly to the left of the no-passing line.

Cyclists are not motor vehicles and they are not animal drawn therefore you can cross a no passing line to pass them. I suspect the intent is that you can straddle the line to get past them, unlike with a slow moving tractor where you would have to fully cross in to the opposite lane to get past. Buyer beware with that one.

Like the original video though, motorbikes are exempt.

neels

28th August 2018, 22:12

You only have to look at the Road User Rule to find out.

2.9 Passing where roadway marked with no-passing line
(1) This clause applies if a driver is at or approaching a portion of a roadway where the road controlling authority has, in accordance with any enactment, marked a no-passing line applying to traffic moving in the direction in which the driver is moving.
(2) The driver must not pass or attempt to pass a motor vehicle or an animal-drawn vehicle moving in the same direction within the length of roadway on which the no-passing line is marked until the driver reaches the further end of the no-passing line, unless throughout the passing movement the driver keeps the vehicle wholly to the left of the no-passing line.

Cyclists are not motor vehicles and they are not animal drawn therefore you can cross a no passing line to pass them. I suspect the intent is that you can straddle the line to get past them, unlike with a slow moving tractor where you would have to fully cross in to the opposite lane to get past. Buyer beware with that one.

Like the original video though, motorbikes are exempt.

I had a quick look for that, useful to know, I drive up and down there reasonably often and usually encounter cyclists. Not so many animal-drawn vehicles so all good.

FJRider

28th August 2018, 22:27

... Must be a joke in that.....

You once owned a honda ... right ... ?? ;)

pete376403

29th August 2018, 08:02

A bicycle is animal powered unless it is an electric assisted bike - does it become a motor cycle if and when the electric motor is used?

pritch

29th August 2018, 09:51

A bicycle is animal powered unless it is an electric assisted bike - does it become a motor cycle if and when the electric motor is used?

While we like to rubbish the powers that be, and sometimes it is richly deserved, whatever they did in this case they seemingly did it well. In New York the police were confiscating electric bikes when they spotted them, but then the New York Police seem to fuck everything up.

Autech

29th August 2018, 10:16

Since when has it been double yellows there?

Quickrik

29th August 2018, 10:35

A bicycle is animal powered unless it is an electric assisted bike - does it become a motor cycle if and when the electric motor is used?

If the electric motor is *capable* of outputting > 300W, yes, they need rego and a WOF. Even if you're tucked in and freewheeling down Dyers pass > speed limit.

Jeff Sichoe

29th August 2018, 10:37

man that cyclist was a bit cheeky undercutting the dude then pulling into the middle of the lane. i'd prob give it a squirt to get away from that mess as well.

Swoop

29th August 2018, 12:58

Since when has it been double yellows there?
It does not need to be "double" yellow lines.

A single yellow line relates to one side of the road. If on your side, you do not cross over it.

Double yellow means both opposing lanes of traffic cannot cross over their yellow line.

Taxythingy

29th August 2018, 14:28

If the electric motor is *capable* of outputting > 300KW, yes, they need rego and a WOF. Even if you're tucked in and freewheeling down Dyers pass > speed limit.

If the electric motor is capable of putting out 300 KW then it should be put to better use than a bicycle.
https://assets.cnhindustrial.com/caseih/ANZ/ANZASSETS/Images/Tractors/Steiger-Series/Brochure%20images%202017/__1_DSC_7067.jpg?width=1280&height=546

WALRUS

29th August 2018, 14:53

Picture of a tractor

But they're already looking at putting electric motors in Harleys..

Quickrik

29th August 2018, 15:38

If the electric motor is capable of putting out 300 KW then it should be put to better use than a bicycle.

Yeah - What was I thinking 300,000Watts is a helluvalotta Watts. The law says 300 Watts

FJRider

29th August 2018, 16:49

But they're already looking at putting electric motors in Harleys..

But would they still have the patented "Harley" sound ... ??? :devil2:

WALRUS

29th August 2018, 17:15

But would they still have the patented "Harley" sound ... ??? :devil2:

Yeah, they'd be silent.. Only now it would be because they are running, not in a pile of pieces

WALRUS

29th August 2018, 18:25

Also, my brother just posted THIS (https://motorbikewriter.com/motorcyclists-safest-motorists/) on FaceBrick.. Largely I'm inclined to agree..

rastuscat

29th August 2018, 19:19

Asking for a friend.

We all know that's a porky.

rastuscat

29th August 2018, 19:25

New Zealand Transport Agency Legislation as it is written ... No mention of overtaking there ... ;)

Passing
Many serious crashes on New Zealand roads are caused by dangerous passing.

To safely pass another vehicle, you need to be extremely careful. You need to have a clear view of the road ahead, to make sure you can finish passing safely. You must also pay close attention to the vehicle you are passing, in case it changes its course.

Passing on the right
Passing on the right can be dangerous, especially if you have to:

change your path of travel
enter a lane or part of the road used by oncoming vehicles.
Before passing, always ask yourself 'is it really necessary to pass?' Don't pass just because you are feeling impatient with the car in front – that's often when crashes happen.

If you do decide to pass, follow the rules shown below.

Before you pass:

make sure you will be able to see at least 100 metres of clear road ahead of you once you have finished passing - if not, don't pass
look well ahead to make sure there are no vehicles coming towards you
look behind to make sure there are no vehicles passing you
signal right for at least three seconds before moving out to pass.
Before pulling in front of a vehicle you have passed:

make sure you can see the vehicle in your rear view mirror
signal left for at least three seconds.

Just being a bit picky I know, but its not NZTA law. It's NZ Gubbermint law.

If you want the law go here.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz

Anywhere else, including the NZTA site, is an interpretation of the law.

Also note that the words "Filtering" and "Lane Splitting" don't get a mention in our law. They are covered by the Land Transport Road User Rule 2004 section on passing, as you hsve noted above.

If you want the law, read the law.

FJRider

29th August 2018, 20:25

Just being a bit picky I know, but its not NZTA law. It's NZ Gubbermint law.

If you want the law go here.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz

Anywhere else, including the NZTA site, is an interpretation of the law.

Also note that the words "Filtering" and "Lane Splitting" don't get a mention in our law. They are covered by the Land Transport Road User Rule 2004 section on passing, as you hsve noted above.

If you want the law, read the law.

Actually ... you are the only one that associated that post with actual LAW as it is written ... I clearly stated it was NZTA legislation (as it was written in their website) in my post to suit my own agenda ... in my post. (I thought THAT would be obvious. Obviously not)

Perhaps your own interpretations of what is posted need to looked at more closely.

AND ... I made NO mention of lane splitting or filtering as they are not mentioned in any legislation by those terms (as you said ... but described under the overtaking rules) so why did you mention it .. ??? This is also mentioned in all the lane splitting/filtering threads in KB.

FJRider

29th August 2018, 20:59

So, is it the inside edge of the yellow line or the outside? What if mah wheels are on the left but muh boday and rest of my moorsickle are over the line? What about when my knee goes down? elbow?

Asking for a friend.

As I stated in an earlier post ... crossing the solid yellow line on your side of the center-line is legal for some purposes ... just illegal to overtake vehicles in the lane used for traffic in the opposite direction when that solid yellow line is on your side.

As I see it written (ie: my interpretation) ... you are not allowed to CROSS the solid yellow line to overtake/pass. Riding on the solid yellow might make your overtake legal ... or not. The secret is just not get caught ... ;)

Autech

30th August 2018, 12:07

I've passed cars in that spot hundreds of times before they changed it to double yellows. The only "dangerous" thing in that edited video (I never saw the 200kmph one) was the cyclist undertaking.

The "illegal" stuff was the dude crossing the yellow line and perhaps the car for not pulling over to let them through at some stage, which as we all know NEVER happens enough in NZ causing people to get impatient and do dumb shit, which I am sure we have all done at some stage and got away with it.

What concerns me is people like that that can't drive for shit on twisty road are also let loose on our city streets where at any time a kid could run out and it's only hope of surviving is the drivers reaction time and driving ability... But hey as long as they indicate for 3 seconds in their license test they surely can drive good? :brick:

HenryDorsetCase

30th August 2018, 12:35

If you want the law, read the law.

Better idea: pay me a lot of money and I will read it for you and then do, uh, stuff. Better yet idea - just pay me a lot of money.

HenryDorsetCase

30th August 2018, 12:38

When I rule you all (and I will....) there won't be a need for very many driving licences because all cars pretty much will be self driving. So manual operation of a motor vehicle will be reserved for "enthusiasts only".... eventually they will be deemed too dangerous for the Kings highway and relegated to closed courses and private roads only. Problem solved.

AllanB

30th August 2018, 20:13

Better idea: pay me a lot of money and I will read it for you and then do, uh, stuff. Better yet idea - just pay me a lot of money.

Ha sounds like my work. I ask a question no one has considered so they 'get back to me' and e-mail me a legal opinion. Then post a account!

Racing Dave

31st August 2018, 09:05