Cycletreads selling written off motorcycles

[Newforce]

Not a good business model for cycletreads to be selling written off imported motorcycles, they claim they did not know, yeah right:facepalm:

[F5 Dave]

Lots of bikes get written off. It just means they are not economic to repair to a level near new.
But the question is how they have been repaired. Obviously that can vary greatly.
And obviously safety comes before cosmetics.

There are plenty of slightly scruffy but safe ex write offs made from parts from other bikes but they all got assembled from nothing at the factory and the parts didn't know each other.

Edit. Ohh I see this topic covered in the Rantl section.

Oh yeah welcome to the site.

[jasonu]

Lots of bikes get written off. It just means they are not economic to repair to a level near new.
But the question is how they have been repaired. Obviously that can vary greatly.
And obviously safety comes before cosmetics.

There are plenty of slightly scruffy but safe ex write offs made from parts from other bikes but they all got assembled from nothing at the factory and the parts didn't know each other then.

But isn’t it a licensed dealers duty to know what they are selling and to pass on any relavent information to the buyer?

[F5 Dave]

How many real Estate agents would tell you there had been a murder at the house they were showing 2 owners ago?

[nzspokes]

How many real Estate agents would tell you there had been a murder at the house they were showing 2 owners ago?

You dont tend to have the potential for life ending events in that situation.

[Grumph]

How many real Estate agents would tell you there had been a murder at the house they were showing 2 owners ago?

I suspect they'd be liable for action if they didn't....Sadly there's no equivalent to the LIM for cars or bikes.

[FJRider]

You dont tend to have the potential for life ending events in that situation.

If Imported bikes come into the country ... they are required to go through the Vin/certification process before being legally allowed on the road. If there are any issues with the safety of the bike ... any issues would/should be picked up then. If issues are NOT picked up ... either the inspectors are not doing their job ... or the Vin process is not doing it's job.

I have seen restoration work done on motorcycles that beggar belief. Rusted twisted hulks turned into shining examples of the marque. Visit any vintage car/motorcycle club ... and they'll show you the before/after photos ...

There are more issues with motorcycles already in the system not being roadworthy ... than the one or two "Imported previously written off" ...

As already stated ... written off usually means uneconomic to repair. Not necessarily unable to be repaired ... or unable to find replacement parts.

[HenryDorsetCase]

How many real Estate agents would tell you there had been a murder at the house they were showing 2 owners ago?

I actually think this has come up and is in their guidelines. Not that I can be fucked looking it up. - give me $350 plus GST and I will.

[FJRider]

But isn’t it a licensed dealers duty to know what they are selling and to pass on any relavent information to the buyer?

Are you aware of the hoops you have to jump through nowadays ... just to find out how many previous owners a vehicle has had ... ??

[jasonu]

How many real Estate agents would tell you there had been a murder at the house they were showing 2 owners ago?


If the RE failed to mention the house had been flooded and rebuilt that would be another matter.

[jasonu]

Are you aware of the hoops you have to jump through nowadays ... just to find out how many previous owners a vehicle has had ... ??

Not the same as a licensed dealer failing to mention the bike had been written off and rebuilt.

[FJRider]

Not the same as a licensed dealer failing to mention the bike had been written off and rebuilt.

Was it actually found to be unsafe ... or is it the issue that the buyer "Didn't know" ... ???

[nzspokes]

Was it actually found to be unsafe ... or is it the issue that the buyer "Didn't know" ... ???

I think the forks clattering which gets worse at speed is a decent indicator there is a significant problem.

[HenryDorsetCase]

How many real Estate agents would tell you there had been a murder at the house they were showing 2 owners ago?


https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/home-property/84689041/does-this-house-have-a-grisly-history-what-agents-must-tell-you

Ho Ho

the LUndy house is an excellent example. Wonder who got the brains detail after that?

and I knew I had read the synopsis of that case. That guideline 4 is not dissimilar to one in our ROPC for lawyers.

[FJRider]

I think the forks clattering which gets worse at speed is a decent indicator there is a significant problem.

Was that the reason it was written off ... or was the forks clatter a different issue ... ???

Why didn't the VIN check pick it up ... was it not an issue for them .. ??

[AllanB]

I knew a guy a few years back who had purchased several ex USA insurance write offs - late model sport bikes with cosmetic damage, bars, levers - usual shit that gets hurt on the way down the road. Very cheap - all parts to replace ex USA as well and then run through VIN process in NZ and a god bike is legal.

Only one caught him out - due to a scratch on the frame it had to be certified as straight before it would get a VIN number.

Same shit happens with written off vehicles in NZ. You can go to insurance auctions every month - all vehicles are de-reged by the insurance company (they claim back the un-used rego cost).

[tigertim20]

Was that the reason it was written off ... or was the forks clatter a different issue ... ???

Why didn't the VIN check pick it up ... was it not an issue for them .. ??

Did you read the article? if you did, youd know as much as anyone else does.
Bottom line, a dealer has legal obligations around disclosure when selling a vehicle, and they failed on those obligations.


I knew a guy a few years back who had purchased several ex USA insurance write offs - late model sport bikes with cosmetic damage, bars, levers - usual shit that gets hurt on the way down the road. Very cheap - all parts to replace ex USA as well and then run through VIN process in NZ and a god bike is legal.

Only one caught him out - due to a scratch on the frame it had to be certified as straight before it would get a VIN number.

Same shit happens with written off vehicles in NZ. You can go to insurance auctions every month - all vehicles are de-reged by the insurance company (they claim back the un-used rego cost).

In NZ sometimes they dont even de-reg them - if the insurance co. know the cosmetic damage makes it uneconomical to repair at agreed trade rates, but its relatively straight forward for a back-yarder to fix themselves, they'll sometimes leave them registered, knowing that doing this increases the resale value of the 'wreck'.

[SaferRides]

Or they reach a settlement with the owner who then repairs the bike.

[scott411]

pretty sloppy work by the dealer, no CIN card given, pretty shoddy,

also they said in the article that he wanted to reduce the refund due to the KM's travelled, the act does not work like that, its full refund of purchase price,

[Grumph]

If the RE failed to mention the house had been flooded and rebuilt that would be another matter.

And when the council fail to put that on the LIM ? Actual case - next door to us.

If I'd been involved with this bike, I'd have recommended putting it through a new WOF if there were any doubts about it's compliance.
That removes any issues from the buyer's opinion to solid independent fact.

[nzspokes]

Was that the reason it was written off ... or was the forks clatter a different issue ... ???

Why didn't the VIN check pick it up ... was it not an issue for them .. ??

Try reading the article.

As far as I know they dont take the bike for a ride down a bumpy road......:facepalm: