Future Cop Cars

[AllanB]

With the V6 Commy out of production what are the Police going to use in the future?

I spied a VW speed camera van on this mornings ride.

With this current special government they may have to go semi electric!

Large powerful sedans are pretty much restricted to the higher end Euro market now - I cannot see Audis, VW, Beemers in the budget.

[Drew]

With the V6 Commy out of production what are the Police going to use in the future?

I spied a VW speed camera van on this mornings ride.

With this current special government they may have to go semi electric!

Large powerful sedans are pretty much restricted to the higher end Euro market now - I cannot see Audis, VW, Beemers in the budget.
Cost of ownership on the 5 series beemers the government bought for politicians, was lower than that of the Australian shit.

Ausie cops have Hyundai cars too.

[slofox]

With the V6 Commy out of production what are the Police going to use in the future?

I spied a VW speed camera van on this mornings ride.

With this current special government they may have to go semi electric!

Large powerful sedans are pretty much restricted to the higher end Euro market now - I cannot see Audis, VW, Beemers in the budget.

They might go back to horses..?

[Moi]

For what it's worth...

https://www.driven.co.nz/news/news/new-zealand-s-new-holden-zb-commodore-police-cars-spotted/

[pritch]

For what it's worth...


I dunno how much that is worth. The item refers to peppier spec cars for HP use. A former HP man of long standing, recently retired, told me that the NZ Police have no "pursuit" vehicles. Engine wise their Holdens are basically no different to a taxi.

[Moi]

I dunno how much that is worth. The item refers to peppier spec cars for HP use. A former HP man of long standing, recently retired, told me that the NZ Police have no "pursuit" vehicles. Engine wise their Holdens are basically no different to a taxi.

Which is why I said "for what it's worth"... it was written by a motoring journalist...:facepalm:

[FJRider]

Which is why I said "for what it's worth"... it was written by a motoring journalist...:facepalm:

You thought (and wrongly) that it was worth starting a thread over it ... ;)

[Moi]

You thought (and wrongly) that it was worth starting a thread over it ... ;)

What?

Who started the thread?

[AllanB]

You thought (and wrongly) that it was worth starting a thread over it ... ;)


Could be a good thread if the NZG were outfitting the Popo with some high performance pursuit vehicles :niceone:

But nah - looks like they will be applying some Green Party based back off it speeds hit 160 policy application to their vehicles.

Holden must pretty much give them the cars to keep the contract.

[AllanB]

The Police in Dubai heading off to work ......

[FJRider]

Could be a good thread if the NZG were outfitting the Popo with some high performance pursuit vehicles :niceone:

But nah - looks like they will be applying some Green Party based back off it speeds hit 160 policy application to their vehicles.

Holden must pretty much give them the cars to keep the contract.

No need for high performance pursuit vehicles ... if they don't stop after the chase initially begins ... they terminate the chase in the interest of safety.

[FJRider]

What?

Who started the thread?

Sorry ... I mean't somebody thought it worthwhile .... as you were ... :shutup:

[98tls]

No doubt same as the Aussies which fwiw doesnt include the fwd shitbox with a Commodore badge attached.

[sidecar bob]

The Police in Dubai heading off to work ......

And that's the biggest load of crap ever.
Dubai would like you to think a lot of things that aren't.
You wouldn't see anything approaching that even if you were there for a month.

[AllanB]

And that's the biggest load of crap ever.
Dubai would like you to think a lot of things that aren't.
You wouldn't see anything approaching that even if you were there for a month.


Hired for a couple of days and some temp graphics?

[Swoop]

Good info.
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I note there was recent promo for a diesel "commodore"?
Well, that sums everything up.

[husaberg]

Ford Mondeo or Toyota Camry at a guess, i would like to see Subaru legacy's myself.

[SaferRides]

They'll have trouble getting their main client base in the back seat of the lift back because of the low roof line. :)

I don't understand why they keep buying cars when SUV's are far more practical.

[slofox]

Given the typical speed on Auckland's motorway systems during most of the day, I'd think horses might do just fine...no need for fast cars. They crawl along like everyone else.

[Drew]

They'll have trouble getting their main client base in the back seat of the lift back because of the low roof line. :)

I don't understand why they keep buying cars when SUV's are far more practical.
The safety rating doesn't meet criteria most of the time.

[nerrrd]

Google reckons BMW and Chrysler V8s for NSW, Kia Stingers for Queensland.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/motoring-news/nsw-police-get-bmw-and-chrysler-highway-patrol-cars-as-holdens-and-fords-are-phased-out/news-story/4939a2c6d34152d18370f6a684155726

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/07/06/australian-police-replaces-locally-produced-fleet-with-kia-sting/

[FJRider]

Given the typical speed on Auckland's motorway systems during most of the day, I'd think horses might do just fine...no need for fast cars. They crawl along like everyone else.

When I was in Singapore ... the (two door) VW Beetle was a common sight ... with usually four officers aboard.

Up in Malaysia ... Alfa Romeos in and near the cities ... with Land Rovers everywhere else.

Both were armed and quite prepared to (and DID) shoot if threatened [not necessarily provoked as such].

[WALRUS]

We've got a heap of Camry's down here. A few Landcruisers and a couple of Ford Rangers alongside a fleet of slowly retired Falcodores.. And then a mountain of different un-marked cars

[Scuba_Steve]

Cost of ownership on the 5 series beemers the government bought for politicians, was lower than that of the Australian shit..

This is true & the reason the popo didn't go with the cheaper (overall) BMW's was cause "public perception", they were worried about ignorant backlash of "wasting too much on cars"

[pritch]

The Police in Dubai heading off to work ......

I hadn't read about the Veyron. Dr John Hinds mentions the Dubai Police Porche in one of his talks, just to say that they thought they had the world's fastest first response vehicle, but they didn't. He did. He had a Superbike spec CBR1000RR.

[Swoop]

We've got a heap of Camry's down here. A few Landcruisers and a couple of Ford Rangers alongside a fleet of slowly retired Falcodores.. And then a mountain of different un-marked cars
That's quite a lot for the population base. I guess Dunkin' Donuts do a roaring trade in Tassie?

[jasonu]

I don't understand why they keep buying cars when SUV's are far more practical.

Like this maybe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtLFA1Jbobs

[sidecar bob]

I note there was recent promo for a diesel "commodore"?
Well, that sums everything up.

What, that they are two decades behind most other manufacturers in offering a diesel sedan?

[george formby]

Ford Mondeo or Toyota Camry at a guess, i would like to see Subaru legacy's myself.

Apparently a few were sold to South Island constabulary a few years ago. They tested various subies at Pukekohe and deemed the hot ones more than required performance wise.

As for diesels, love mine. 2ltr turbo, cheap on fuel and lickety split. Euro taxi drivers love em. (It's not a Holden...)

[onearmedbandit]

Apparently a few were sold to South Island constabulary a few years ago. They tested various subies at Pukekohe and deemed the hot ones more than required performance wise.

As for diesels, love mine. 2ltr turbo, cheap on fuel and lickety split. Euro taxi drivers love em. (It's not a Holden...)

Yep seen a couple of the Legacy cop cars down south. Or it might've been the same one twice.

[husaberg]

Just seen this

Holden’s agreement to supply the NZ police with vehicles is believed to be in place till 2020-21. Holden is not saying but under the agreement it can be expected that the rebadged Insignia variants will appear in NZ police livery from next year.





https://www.driven.co.nz/news/news/new-zealand-s-new-holden-zb-commodore-police-cars-spotted/
https://www.driven.co.nz/media/99989901/28217794_10212971469054493_408405654_o.jpg?width=8 20



http://www.automotivenews.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/03-Police-sting-640x300.jpg
Kia stinger
http://www.automotivenews.co.nz/industry-news/cop-this-lot-kia-stinger-dressed-for-nz-police-duty-11161

[GazzaH]

http://cloudfront.bernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/T3-Police-Trike-Bermuda-Jan-16th-2011-11-620x413.jpg

Just outside Wanganui

[husaberg]

They have 4 Toyotas on the beat in Auckland

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/71334156/what-are-four-toyotas-doing-among-the-police-holden-fleet
https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/6/h/7/p/0/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620x350. 16gxsc.png/1440134753332.jpg
The official cars of New Zealand Police are Holdens, but eagle-eyed petrolheads have spotted there are four Toyotas on our roads.

The sightings suggest just how close Toyota came to getting the vehicle fleet contract that ticked over this June.

Police put out a request last year for carmakers to bid for the contract to take over the fleet of roughly 3100 cars – excluding undercover vehicles – by the end of June 2015.

Toyota and Skoda were among those competing with incumbent Holden.

The four Toyotas – two of which are in Wellington, one in the Bay of Plenty, and one in Counties-Manukau – are prototypes that police agreed to buy whatever the outcome of the tendering process.

[AllanB]

Presumably the 3.5 V6 Toyota. Strikes me as a good replacement for the old Commy.

Guess some kick-back won it for Holden

[Swoop]

What, that they are two decades behind most other manufacturers in offering a diesel sedan?

The fuel that drivers use because they believe they are "saving the planet" by coating it in a layer of soot.

[Drew]

The fuel that drivers use because they believe they are "saving the planet" by coating it in a layer of soot.
Might wanna look into that. Been a long time since diesel was dirtier than petrol, when it comes to passenger cars.

[Swoop]

Might wanna look into that. Been a long time since diesel was dirtier than petrol, when it comes to passenger cars.

It seems the Europeans are changing their minds regarding diesel cars.


http://www.euronews.com/2018/03/06/how-germany-s-diesel-ban-could-just-export-its-deadly-pollution-to-eastern-europe

[AllanB]

It seems the Europeans are changing their minds regarding diesel cars.


I bet VW is!

[Swoop]

I bet VW is!
They don't have to as they just need to alter the software settings...

[98tls]

Just seen this






https://www.driven.co.nz/news/news/new-zealand-s-new-holden-zb-commodore-police-cars-spotted/
https://www.driven.co.nz/media/99989901/28217794_10212971469054493_408405654_o.jpg?width=8 20



http://www.automotivenews.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/03-Police-sting-640x300.jpg
Kia stinger
http://www.automotivenews.co.nz/industry-news/cop-this-lot-kia-stinger-dressed-for-nz-police-duty-11161

:laugh::laugh: The Aussie public dont want them which for a couple of seconds would have caused tense moments in the boardroom but:weird: then.....there are literally thousands of the things over the ditch they cant sell.

[husaberg]

:laugh::laugh: The Aussie public dont want them which for a couple of seconds would have caused tense moments in the boardroom but:weird: then.....there are literally thousands of the things over the ditch they cant sell.

I dont get it in the US they are facing the same problem with the goverment car and taxi fleet having go rid of the crown Vic
I cant see why Holden or Ford Auzzie could put together a car on a chassis or build a RWD simple car for the goverment in LHD and RHD. Its crazy.

[sidecar bob]

:
I dont get it in the US they are facing the same problem with the goverment car and taxi fleet having go rid of the crown Vic
I cant see why Holden or Ford Auzzie could put together a car on a chassis or build a RWD simple car for the goverment in LHD and RHD. Its crazy.

When I was working in Singapore around 2000, these things were everywhere.
A '70's Toyota Crown platform with Hi Ace running gear & some modern ish lights & bumpers.
Just a utilitarian commercial sedan.
There was a Nissan equivalent that was basically a '70's 260c platform with running gear from a Navara diesel ute.
Seems your theory isn't too tough for some manufacturers to comprehend.
Singapore Govt only allowed them to do one million KM before being retired.
A weekend away to Batam or Bintan island would turn up the ones they had sold off or given away with over one million that were still. . err. . . Going.

[Drew]

It seems the Europeans are changing their minds regarding diesel cars.

First I've heard of that, but I'm not part of the industry.

[pete376403]

:

When I was working in Singapore around 2000, these things were everywhere.
A '70's Toyota Crown platform with Hi Ace running gear & some modern ish lights & bumpers.
Just a utilitarian commercial sedan.
There was a Nissan equivalent that was basically a '70's 260c platform with running gear from a Navara diesel ute.
Seems your theory isn't too tough for some manufacturers to comprehend.
Singapore Govt only allowed them to do one million KM before being retired.
A weekend away to Batam or Bintan island would turn up the ones they had sold off or given away with over one million that were still. . err. . . Going.

The Park Royal Hotel in Wgtn has a couple of ex-Singapore "London" taxis which they got once they had reached the million KM mark. Diesel powered (probably Nissan or Toyota)

[merv]

First I've heard of that, but I'm not part of the industry.

A quick search finds these stories

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/these-four-cities-are-cracking-down-on-diesel-vehicles-to-improve-air-qualitytesla-hybrid-a7470416.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-43925712

What caught the big cities out was just the amount of soot the diesels put in the air making the cities smoggy and dirty. The manufacturers made them think they were cleaner than petrol but the VW scandal showed the logic was flawed.

I guess the particulate filters can be improved but it seems the rush is on now to electric anyway with petrol cars also facing bans later on than the diesels.

[SaferRides]

There are a whole raft of issues around diesel vehicles, and just banning cars may not achieve much if nothing is done about commercial vehicles and trucks.

My diesel wagon does most of its km on the open road and gets 50 mpg. No plans to change it until I can buy a similar EV with at least 400 km range.

[Laava]

With this big push to ban petrol and diesel vehicles, I suppose that means there will be more fuel available for the planes, so, more planes?

[sidecar bob]

Exhaust emissions are bad for you, unless you pay a daily fee, then they're perfectly ok.
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone

[sidecar bob]

With this big push to ban petrol and diesel vehicles, I suppose that means there will be more fuel available for the planes, so, more planes?

They may not need it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-has-to-happen-in-order-for-there-to-be-electric-planes-2018-5/?r=AU&IR=T

[husaberg]

:

When I was working in Singapore around 2000, these things were everywhere.
A '70's Toyota Crown platform with Hi Ace running gear & some modern ish lights & bumpers.
Just a utilitarian commercial sedan.
There was a Nissan equivalent that was basically a '70's 260c platform with running gear from a Navara diesel ute.
Seems your theory isn't too tough for some manufacturers to comprehend.
Singapore Govt only allowed them to do one million KM before being retired.
A weekend away to Batam or Bintan island would turn up the ones they had sold off or given away with over one million that were still. . err. . . Going.


Neat stuff


It looks like the version in the pic you posted finished production only just last year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Comfort
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Toyota_Comfort_SG.jpg/280px-Toyota_Comfort_SG.jpg

The Nissan cedric finished in 2015
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/1989_Nissan_Cedric_01.jpg/280px-1989_Nissan_Cedric_01.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Cedric_Y31

Looks like the modern Nissan infinity platform could also be used.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/2nd-Infiniti-M.jpg/280px-2nd-Infiniti-M.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infiniti_M#2006
Toyota have this modern platform still in production
But all the big engine options are hybrids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsZPjIsTmfs

Hyundi have this which is what the Kia stinger is based on
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/2015_Hyundai_Genesis_3.8L_front.jpg/280px-2015_Hyundai_Genesis_3.8L_front.jpg

[merv]

Exhaust emissions are bad for you, unless you pay a daily fee, then they're perfectly ok.
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone

Paris already has the Crit'Air system in place which requires a sticker on the vehicle to denote its age and Euro rating. It seems like there is a small fee for the sticker but no ongoing charge, but they limit access of the vehicles to Paris central. Of interest is that all motorcycles and scooters registered before 1 June 2000 models are not eligible for stickers so will be fined if operated in the city between 8am and 8pm weekdays. Diesels are certainly given the hardest time on their categorisation. I haven't figured out what they are doing beyond banning certain vehicles but I guess they will drop eligibility year on year until nothing but green or category 1 are allowed. I understand Berlin started something similar as far back as 2008.

Not sure what this does to our thread on cop cars other than they shouldn't drive diesels and introducing something like this certainly gives them a bigger enforcement task

Vehicle classification here: https://www.crit-air.fr/en/information-about-the-critair-vignette/the-french-vignette-critair/who-will-get-which-critair-colours.html

[Swoop]

With this big push to ban petrol and diesel vehicles, I suppose that means there will be more fuel available for the planes, so, more planes?

Remember that the Lunatic Fringe Party want a complete ban on oil exploration and drilling - anywhere - any time. They have forgotten that oil is used in the production of all sorts of other products (medical...) other than petrol, so the Green party's fuckwits can get back to riding their horse to work (obviously growing crops in the fields).

When proper electric vehicles are developed (we are not there yet, still developing them) then the "world will be saved" - again. Remember that we have already saved the world by getting rid of paper carrier bags that used to be used in supermarkets? Lucky we saved the trees by polluting the oceans with plastic instead...

[R650R]

They'll have trouble getting their main client base in the back seat of the lift back because of the low roof line. :)

I don't understand why they keep buying cars when SUV's are far more practical.

They seem popular with the yanks these days... this vid with three diff dashcams shows one flaw....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BaZsBRTV0A

[R650R]

There are a whole raft of issues around diesel vehicles, and just banning cars may not achieve much if nothing is done about commercial vehicles and trucks.

My diesel wagon does most of its km on the open road and gets 50 mpg. No plans to change it until I can buy a similar EV with at least 400 km range.

And military.... The USAF consumes 50% a year of the worlds fuel supply... bombing other countries to secure fuel supplies hmmmmmmmm

Just imagine how ridiculous it will be for patrol cars to need recharging when there all double/tripl shifted to begin with, whens the downtime to recharge?
A ground based army WONT be able to move fast enough (talking days not kph) to sustain an effective invasion or response with electric.

[WALRUS]

Future cop cars?

http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles/a/8/6/6/3/2/ss_preview_Fifth_Element_005.jpg.jpg

[Hoonicorn]

The Opel Insignia which is what the new Commodore is, is the Vectra replacement in Europe. Do the NZ police realise they've downsized to Vectra's for the same price?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjjWXG6rWUk

[FJRider]

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[WALRUS]

Our boys and girls in blue seem to have just purchased a fleet of Subaru Liberties

[husaberg]

Our boys and girls in blue seem to have just purchased a fleet of Subaru Liberties
2.5 or 3.6l

[WALRUS]

I think I recall someone saying they were 3.6's but I may be mistaken. I've seen them about but I've not been close enough to have a sticky beak at the badges on them.

[AllanB]

Ohhhhh I like the Can Am police vehicle.

[R650R]

Well there here now.... and damn euro trash their too quiet....

Some of my neighbours frequently call for help from a higher power but it ain’t Jesus, it’s the five oh....

Anyhow gotten accustomed to the familiar thud of Holden doors closing and the v6/transmission/tyre noise orchestra but now I open door to let cat out and three Skodas quiet mtb spawning in street like euro version of GTA....

[R650R]

This is pretty cool if you’re filming your holiday but not so cool once they end up in highway patrol fleet. At least you’d get some cool footage of your canyon carving with your speeding ticket.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atQ9mMF_CnM

[SaferRides]

This is pretty cool if you’re filming your holiday but not so cool once they end up in highway patrol fleet. At least you’d get some cool footage of your canyon carving with your speeding ticket.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atQ9mMF_CnMI've been waiting for this, the possibilities are endless...

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[R650R]

I've been waiting for this, the possibilities are endless...

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Meanwhile an American military contractor is developing this, portable hive for launching drone swarms. And this is where AI comes into the picture allowing solo operator to fly multiple drones and automated intel forwarding between drones and back to HQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Hqhor8rdg