suzuki Series, not the Tri Series

[jellywrestler]

the last official Tri Series was in 2012, since then suzuki requested it be called simply the Suzuki Series.
two reasons, the word suzuki was being dropped and of course they pay they don't see their name, not hard to work the rest out.
secondly, that left the door open to maybe run a fourth meeting.

There's still quite a few people using the tri series, jsut thought i'd note this here so people might take note along the way

spyda

[sharp2183]

It’s just a colloquialism now, so it means the same thing. Who cares if someone asks their mate if they are doing the Tri Series rather than the Suzuki Series. We all know what it means.

[sidecar bob]

You should start a thread on race number sizes too:msn-wink:

[jellywrestler]

It’s just a colloquialism now, so it means the same thing. Who cares if someone asks their mate if they are doing the Tri Series rather than the Suzuki Series. We all know what it means.
It's respect for the sponsors and also helps with a Google search. I spend up to thirty days a year commentating and people appreciate it when I get my facts right, you may not care but I do as well as the sponsors.

[sharp2183]

It's respect for the sponsors and also helps with a Google search. I spend up to thirty days a year commentating and people appreciate it when I get my facts right, you may not care but I do as well as the sponsors.

I’m not saying I don’t care, but examples of this type of thing have existed since forever. Everyone calls a sailboard a windsurfer for example. Must really piss off the manufacturers when people say they love windsurfing as ‘Windsurfer’ is just a brand name from ages ago. JetSki is the same. Same with Super rugby, which people called ‘Super 12’ long after it wasn’t officially called that. Names stick and people use them, it’s not the end of the world.

You might also note that some of the top Suzuki riders are often calling the event the ‘Tri Series’. I watched an official video two days ago where one of them said that.

I’ve got much respect for the work you guys do commentating. All I’m saying is that people still think of it as the Tri Series, and if they want to call it that then that’s their business unless they are contracted by the organisers or Suzuki. And most aren’t. And lastly, I call it the Suzuki Series myself and always have.

[jellywrestler]

You might also note that some of the top Suzuki riders are often calling the event the ‘Tri Series’. I watched an official video two days ago where one of them said that.

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hence my heads up....

[jellywrestler]

You should start a thread on race number sizes too:msn-wink:

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/185772-Why-are-so-many-race-bikes-non-compliant-with-the-numbers-rule

[Bykmad]

1 week to go. Looking forward to going to two of the events in the series, Taupo and The Cemetery Circuit. Best Race Series in the country by far.
Bring it on!!!! Best wishes to all competitors for a safe, fast and close racing series.

[jellywrestler]

Taupo this sunday, practice saturday
Manfeild sun 16th, practice sat prior
cemetery circtui boxing day
no live streaming from any round in new zealand, you want to see it, be at the tracks.

[Grumph]

I see elsewhere that the motards will run on the short track at Manfield - in reverse.

Can anyone tell me how this was approved. I have personal experience of trying to get a variation of Ruapuna approved which involved running a short section of the infield in reverse...

I was told very firmly that Motorsport NZ - under whose umbrella we run - could only approve circuits or part thereof for use in one direction.

I was also told that if we ran the variant I wanted without approval, Motorsport NZ would wash their hands of it if an accident occurred - and that meant no ACC coverage...

Has this variation of Manfield been used before ? How was it done ?

[scott411]

I see elsewhere that the motards will run on the short track at Manfield - in reverse.

Can anyone tell me how this was approved. I have personal experience of trying to get a variation of Ruapuna approved which involved running a short section of the infield in reverse...

I was told very firmly that Motorsport NZ - under whose umbrella we run - could only approve circuits or part thereof for use in one direction.

I was also told that if we ran the variant I wanted without approval, Motorsport NZ would wash their hands of it if an accident occurred - and that meant no ACC coverage...

Has this variation of Manfield been used before ? How was it done ?

ACC is no fault insurance, so that bit is bullshit, maybe the organisers could be charged by worksafe/police,
and they have run the manfield short circuit backwards for motards for years at the suzuki series, and i think even at vic series,

[Grumph]

ACC is no fault insurance, so that bit is bullshit, maybe the organisers could be charged by worksafe/police,
and they have run the manfield short circuit backwards for motards for years at the suzuki series, and i think even at vic series,

They always consider the worst case scenario - if it was a fatal on a non-approved circuit there would certainly be court action.

I'd still like to know when/how/who approved it as last time I asked it was impossible to run any of the SI circuits or part of one in reverse.

[roogazza]

ACC is no fault insurance, so that bit is bullshit, maybe the organisers could be charged by worksafe/police,
and they have run the manfield short circuit backwards for motards for years at the suzuki series, and i think even at vic series,


They always consider the worst case scenario - if it was a fatal on a non-approved circuit there would certainly be court action.
I'd still like to know when/how/who approved it as last time I asked it was impossible to run any of the SI circuits or part of one in reverse.

I recall a meeting at Manfeild run in reverse direction in the 70's but only the one from memory ?

[scott411]

They always consider the worst case scenario - if it was a fatal on a non-approved circuit there would certainly be court action.

I'd still like to know when/how/who approved it as last time I asked it was impossible to run any of the SI circuits or part of one in reverse.

MNZ can approve thier own circuits (see every street race) so if the steward and COC pass it off then its fine, i cant comment on why the SI circuits cant or wont,

as for the manfield short circuit, i thought the karts used it in the direction as well? (if they still use it, maybe they just use the back circuit now if at all)

[Grumph]

MNZ can approve thier own circuits (see every street race) so if the steward and COC pass it off then its fine, i cant comment on why the SI circuits cant or wont,

as for the manfield short circuit, i thought the karts used it in the direction as well? (if they still use it, maybe they just use the back circuit now if at all)

The approval for street circuits is done at a much higher level than the meeting steward or CoC. Once the plan is approved, neither the steward or CoC have the authority to alter anything. I did CoC at Wyndham once, the local cop wanted something changed. I couldn't do it. He told me that if someone was killed at that point, I was going straight to jail....But If i'd altered it and it resulted in a fatal, I'd have gone to jail anyway....The then Roadrace Commissioner who was acting as the starter was highly amused...

Permanent circuits come under Motorsport NZ. The Public Liability insurance is I believe contingent on the circuit being approved. Motorcycling NZ last I heard took the Motorsport NZ approval as it stood with no variations.

Yes, Manfield used to be run in both directions. One national run clockwise and one anticlockwise. First of the season and last of the series.
Then the FIA and FIM dictated that circuits could only be approved for use in one direction - and we followed suit.

Scott, I'm not picking a fight with you - Steve says you're a good bloke. But I want to know how this variation was approved as it's out of line with what has been standing policy for years.

[Triplenut]

The approval for street circuits is done at a much higher level than the meeting steward or CoC. Once the plan is approved, neither the steward or CoC have the authority to alter anything. I did CoC at Wyndham once, the local cop wanted something changed. I couldn't do it. He told me that if someone was killed at that point, I was going straight to jail....But If i'd altered it and it resulted in a fatal, I'd have gone to jail anyway....The then Roadrace Commissioner who was acting as the starter was highly amused...

Permanent circuits come under Motorsport NZ. The Public Liability insurance is I believe contingent on the circuit being approved. Motorcycling NZ last I heard took the Motorsport NZ approval as it stood with no variations.

Yes, Manfield used to be run in both directions. One national run clockwise and one anticlockwise. First of the season and last of the series.
Then the FIA and FIM dictated that circuits could only be approved for use in one direction - and we followed suit.

Scott, I'm not picking a fight with you - Steve says you're a good bloke. But I want to know how this variation was approved as it's out of line with what has been standing policy for years.

Hi Greg,
Yes street races are signed of at commissioner level but the CoC and Steward have the right to change anything they see fit in the interests of safety on the day including track layout, protection, race order and groupings etc ( within the rules of course)

In my time of organising meetings I have never heard any reference to Motorsport NZ having any influence over how Motorcycling NZ affiliated events are run. Either I have missed something ( possible) or perhaps something has changed legally since your time as an Official ?
Motorcycling NZ Liability insurance covers our riders and organisers as far as I am aware.
We all have to submit track management plans to Motorcycling NZ and the tracks stating how we will run race meetings.

SI tracks to my understanding don't/can't run reverse due to inadequate run off, gravel traps etc when running reverse.
However a few years back they were running dirt motard sections at Ruapuna as you know, pretty sure some of that would have been against the normal flow.

Cheers
Dave

[Grumph]

Thanks Dave. Maybe things have changed. Ruapuna - short version - was run in reverse quite often. The runoff/gravel traps thing can be worked around.
The variation I proposed, the circuit inspector of the time agreed was safe - just couldn't be consented.
Be interesting to try and get it approved now....

[Triplenut]

Must admit I have thought about it , purely in the interests of historical racing

[Grumph]

Must admit I have thought about it , purely in the interests of historical racing

I came up with a variant no-one had thought of, LOL. Both Hepburn - for MNZ - and the Motorsport NZ circuit examiner thought it was a good'un.
They were there to approve shifted marshalls positions and I seized the opportunity.
It only became possible after the car club had done quite extensive sealing in the cut-through area past the start line....

[scott411]

Dave answered everything i was going to say about Motorsport NZ, their signing off tracks has nothing to do with Motorcyling NZ, (pukekohe being a prime example, signed off for all cars, not for bikes)
i simplified the Street race apporval, but as Dave says, the COC and Steward have the final sing off, after the track is completed, which is usually on the morning of the event,

i can only think of for the South Island tracks , is the fact that the car clubs own them, so may enforce Motorsport NZ rules on everyone,

[Grumph]

i can only think of for the South Island tracks , is the fact that the car clubs own them, so may enforce Motorsport NZ rules on everyone,

Part right there...Ruapuna is council owned car club leased. Levels not sure, possibly ground leased again. Heavily constrained by local regs.Teretonga is really the only one that stands alone as the car club owns everything from the main road to the sea...and have more than once fallen out with Motorsport NZ.

The system does indeed appear to have changed since my last CoC job. Quite possibly as a result of that last job, LOL. Can't have the local cop wanting to stop a meeting can we....
It was shortly after that the CoC certification came in - and I walked as there was also a grade 3 stewards ticket with it. Given the shortage of stewards locally, I could see the requests to do motocross etc lining up....

[roogazza]

Anyone seen anything about the Suzuki Series that started last weekend or where results are filed.

Advertised as the biggest Meet, but I for one haven't seen nuffing :weird::rolleyes:

[jellywrestler]

Anyone seen anything about the Suzuki Series that started last weekend or where results are filed.

Advertised as the biggest Meet, but I for one haven't seen nuffing :weird::rolleyes:

speedhive will have them, mxt are doing the timing, no ctas at manfeild

[scott411]

Anyone seen anything about the Suzuki Series that started last weekend or where results are filed.

Advertised as the biggest Meet, but I for one haven't seen nuffing :weird::rolleyes:

https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/1619577

http://www.bikesportnz.com/
has a couple of stories, one from honda, one from kawi

edit,
nz herald
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503424&objectid=12174401

[rustys]

Grumph, very interesting point you have made about running a race meeting in reverse.

Last time the Victoria Club ran a meeting in reverse was 2005, when sadly we had a death on the day, part of the problem was that one of the normal marshal points that is normally used should have been relocated to give riders better visability of that point.

The Club stopped running motards about 3 years ago as part of their track was antilock wise.

Will be interesting to find out this weekend, who and how the Motards get to run reverse if they do?

Nice to catch up with you at the Southern Classic last month

[sidecar bob]

Been hanging out with this proper good bugger a bit this week
If its got wheels & a engine its fair game.

[sharp2183]

Manfeild short track has been run in reverse for ages. There is nothing new happening this year.

[merv]

Been hanging out with this proper good bugger a bit this week
If its got wheels & a engine its fair game.

Bob, you no good at getting the pic rotated as he looks like he's on the wall of death?

Also, who is going to tell us why Drew and Scrivy didn't feature in the second race at Taupo?

[jellywrestler]

https://cemeterycircuit.co.nz/ctas-live/


livestreaming is back folks tommorow, much betterer at the track though

[sidecar bob]

Two wins today
Not bad for a post classic superbike:bleh:

[sidecar bob]

Bob, you no good at getting the pic rotated as he looks like he's on the wall of death?


Thats as i took it. He was doing wall of death.:2thumbsup

[malcy25]

Two wins today
Not bad for a post classic superbike:bleh:

Did the rider want to make it feel like a GSX1100?

[Mental Trousers]

Also, who is going to tell us why Drew and Scrivy didn't feature in the second race at Taupo?

Drew and Alan broke their engine at Taupo and they haven't got a replacement into it yet.

[merv]

Drew and Alan broke their engine at Taupo and they haven't got a replacement into it yet.

Okay, now that is a shame.

[jellywrestler]

Drew and Alan broke their engine at Taupo and they haven't got a replacement into it yet.

replacement was a different model, the exhausts didn't fit....

[sidecar bob]

Did the rider want to make it feel like a GSX1100?

Nope, in fact he is possibly the nicest, easiest & most plesant bloke you could ever wish to work for, & is happy to sit on the garage floor on practice evening, playing with an Ohlins shock & chilling out.
And it wasn't him that wanted a S1000rr out of a GSX1100 just to clear that up.